L J S A
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I know Simon Fraser University would love to be part of the NCAA. I'm sure some of the other bigger Canadian universities might be intrigued as well.
St. John's Big 12 rumor/Pitino & Prime
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The only one I have heard has interest is Simon Fraser. The athletic budget is just not there. I know my sons McGill University Bball team only flies to one tournament a year, and that is within Canada , unless they make the Nationals and depending where the Nationals are located.
For football it would never happen, far too costly. For certain schools Bball could be a possibility if they would join a conference located in driving proximity. The only possibility I can see is McGill joining the Ivy League conference of which there are discussions, but a huge impediment right now is securing the 7 figure fee to join.
However McGill has started to schedule games with the Ivies and will play Harvard at McGill on August 21 in a preseason exhibition game.
For football it would never happen, far too costly. For certain schools Bball could be a possibility if they would join a conference located in driving proximity. The only possibility I can see is McGill joining the Ivy League conference of which there are discussions, but a huge impediment right now is securing the 7 figure fee to join.
However McGill has started to schedule games with the Ivies and will play Harvard at McGill on August 21 in a preseason exhibition game.
I’d have to imagine the Canada thing is a far off idea that probably stemmed from Yormark talking to Adam silver. Canada basketball is really taking off, and there’s plenty of Canadian talent now in D1 basketball (let alone the NBA). It’s honestly not a bad idea to get a school in the Toronto area.
Again it is a question of conference proximity. University of Toronto academically would be a great fit for the Patriot League but the majority of the schools are located too far away.
What would make sense would be for the NCAA tournament to give an automatic birth to the Canadian Champion. It would be 1 of 72 slots but would generate crazy interest for that first round game.
What would make sense would be for the NCAA tournament to give an automatic birth to the Canadian Champion. It would be 1 of 72 slots but would generate crazy interest for that first round game.
I was procrastinating work yesterday and hatched out what I thought could be Yormark's national football, basketball-centric/MSG captivating conference. The pros are simple: we play all the big hitters in the Big East again, we make a lot more money from the TV contract, and we play a lot of exciting competition. The cons are we don't play football, and thus, the $ disparity will be big with other conference members + our priorities on things will likely be diminished (sound familiar?).
This would ultimately be a 20-team football conference, 24-team basketball conference.
The divisions will be broken out into: West (former PAC schools + the two former WAC ones), Plains (the last remaining original Big 12), Central (old/new Big East rivals with new Big 12), and East (original Big East + a Florida school). The schools would agree to play 22 conference games, up from 20. Within the division, teams would play each other home & away each other, and then play four games in each division (2 home, 2 away).
Tournament structure: top 2 division teams get a bye, first two rounds are in Las Vegas, last two rounds are in MSG.
Non-revenue generating sports, the West/Plains collapse into one division & the East/Central collapse into one division (basically forming the old Big East + Texas).
Not saying its perfect, and I would feel very bad for Providence/Seton Hall/Xavier/Marquette, but I do think this type of thing would keep St. John's relevent in the college football P2 era and its something worth thinking about.
West
BYU
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Gonzaga (non-football)
Utah
Plains
Kansas
Kansas Stat
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Baylor
Central
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
Louisville
Houston
TCU
East
Syracuse
UCONN
St. John's (non-football)
Georgetown (non-football)
Villanova (non-football)
UCF
This would ultimately be a 20-team football conference, 24-team basketball conference.
The divisions will be broken out into: West (former PAC schools + the two former WAC ones), Plains (the last remaining original Big 12), Central (old/new Big East rivals with new Big 12), and East (original Big East + a Florida school). The schools would agree to play 22 conference games, up from 20. Within the division, teams would play each other home & away each other, and then play four games in each division (2 home, 2 away).
Tournament structure: top 2 division teams get a bye, first two rounds are in Las Vegas, last two rounds are in MSG.
Non-revenue generating sports, the West/Plains collapse into one division & the East/Central collapse into one division (basically forming the old Big East + Texas).
Not saying its perfect, and I would feel very bad for Providence/Seton Hall/Xavier/Marquette, but I do think this type of thing would keep St. John's relevent in the college football P2 era and its something worth thinking about.
West
BYU
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Gonzaga (non-football)
Utah
Plains
Kansas
Kansas Stat
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Baylor
Central
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
Louisville
Houston
TCU
East
Syracuse
UCONN
St. John's (non-football)
Georgetown (non-football)
Villanova (non-football)
UCF
Ridiculous!
Say What? Why do major conferences care about 'crushing' the Big East? This reads like a war thriller - 'last obstacle to complete domination'!!
Like the SEC or B10 is focused on crushing BE, please... Compare the revenues of each and tell me how that makes any sense?
The only *real* leverage the NCAA has on revenue-generating athletics is March Madness.
The Big 10/SEC can breakaway from NCAA football tomorrow, and make just as much money (if not more), by making their own playoff. They would also not have to deal with NCAA regulations.
But, March Madness makes a ton of money and that does require the NCAA (for now). NCAA totally fumbled their TV deal for the tournament. I think Marillac isn't completely off. The football conferences are pushing to expand the tournament so their schools can dominate & ultimately control it. If the Big 12 breaks apart the Big East, that would go a long way into the tournament being dominated by the Big 10/SEC/Big 12.
The major conferences are eventually going to break away from the NCAA. March Madness is a collective value, once the separation takes place the tournament and brand will be significantly devalued, who wins at that point?
The product will be worse for fans. I'm not rooting for any of this (including the Big 12 scenario).
But I'm sure TV companies will spend billions of dollars on a Champions League-like tournament with the best of the best playing from the top conferences.
March Madness without ~300 schools eligible to participate would lose a LOT of viewers and money. The recent talks have been about expanding to 96 teams (more games), not reducing. The casual appeal and headlines are based on Cinderellas, inclusion and chaos. If the Power 5 tried making their own version it wouldn't be anywhere near as popular. Also, even if that happened, St. John's and most/all of the Big East would be included.
L J S A
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I will always argue that all this shit could have been averted with a football championship where every conference champ gets a berth in a tournament + at-larges to keep SEC and Big 10 from crying too much. 16-team championship would be a huge moneymaker. 24 even better with a first round of play-ins.
This probably is his plan, and this would mean more time slots / national exposure for the networks and MSG. The question is though, how many people would a round 1 game between Utah and Colorado draw? Attendance across all rounds for the Big East Tournament has been excellent. How was it during the old Big East when/if teams such as USF and DePaul played each other first round? I genuinely don't know, but there would be a LOT of those games under a national conference. We've seen how bad attendance was for the ACC / B1G tournaments when teams outside the area played.
While the B12 super tournament I'm sure would work for the TV networks, I'm not convinced it would work for MSG. The more Pac 12 teams the Big 12 adds, the less appealing this would be for MSG. It's one thing if they add Gonzaga (many fans would travel to MSG), it's another if they add half of the Pac 12.
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I agree, (which means nothing) except the the BIG 10 and SEC (which means just about everything) disagree.
My question in there is: how long until the non football schools have to seek a new conference?
Agree on all points, I think that’s why they put the first two rounds in Vegas (or whatever non-eastern area) — throws a bone to the non-Big East schools and saves MSG for the final 8/4/championship games. Odds are those games would involve a Kansas, Arizona, Gonzaga, UCONN, etc
Rocket
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Few people here are comparing apples to apples.
The Power 5 football conferences will always earn tens of millions of dollars more than the basketball only schools BUT they will need that kind of revenue to pay for the prohibitive expenses to run an elite football program.
Kansas and Kentucky are two of the most storied basketball programs in America but they are not elite football teams. Yet, they have to populate their teams with mostly full scholarship players and expensive staffs. What if the NFL expanded to smaller markets to operate an NFL 2nd division where 19 year olds could play?
The viewers of college football would then be watching a bunch of high school aged kids and older players who are of lesser talent.
Universities have long exploited student athletes in the name of greed due to the unionized player controlled monopolies of professional sports. Nowhere in the world do multimillionaire athletes limit the job market like the NFL and NBA.
When that hold is finally broken by some court ruling, college sports may return to the amateur ranks of students competing for scholarships rather than millions in NIL and other borderline professional sports schemes.
The rest of the world got it right while here in America the wolves of Wall Street and the media control things from cradle to grave,
The Power 5 football conferences will always earn tens of millions of dollars more than the basketball only schools BUT they will need that kind of revenue to pay for the prohibitive expenses to run an elite football program.
Kansas and Kentucky are two of the most storied basketball programs in America but they are not elite football teams. Yet, they have to populate their teams with mostly full scholarship players and expensive staffs. What if the NFL expanded to smaller markets to operate an NFL 2nd division where 19 year olds could play?
The viewers of college football would then be watching a bunch of high school aged kids and older players who are of lesser talent.
Universities have long exploited student athletes in the name of greed due to the unionized player controlled monopolies of professional sports. Nowhere in the world do multimillionaire athletes limit the job market like the NFL and NBA.
When that hold is finally broken by some court ruling, college sports may return to the amateur ranks of students competing for scholarships rather than millions in NIL and other borderline professional sports schemes.
The rest of the world got it right while here in America the wolves of Wall Street and the media control things from cradle to grave,
Get back to work.
porterBrown
Active member
100% agree. Our coaching, player talent, and even recent brand (5 straight winning seasons) is on the up and up.
Ever there ever a time to look good, it is now, and we are looking as attractive as we are realistically going to get.
I feel they will figure out what is possible, if it's possible.