St. John's Big 12 rumor/Pitino & Prime
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I was just getting ready to post this, lol. Next year it will no longer exist. You can't make this Shit up.
That was a surprising loss. Extremely soft schedule. It’s actually embarrassing for a school that was in a major conference to be playing all those FCS teams.
Georgia State is an FBS (not FCS) program and plays in the Sunbelt Conference. Sunbelt schools like Appalachian State and Costal Carolina over the past few years have knocked off a few big conference schools.
This weekend 2nd year FBS and Sunbelt member James Madison knocked off UVA at UVA. While I was thrilled by the results, I feel for UVA as emotions were extremely high as this was their first home game since they canceled the end of their season last year after three of their players were murdered and another one wounded in an on campus shooting. Bright spot is the player that was wounded, Mike Hollins, has recovered and scored their first touchdown in the game.
Stevep502
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3 of my kids graduated from mid-majors (D2?): James Madison, URI & Delaware.
always enjoyed pulling for the ”little guys” against the big dogs.
( although my 3 kids schools have more students than most in BE, including us ?)
James Madison is FBS now that is technically the old Division 1. They are in the Sun Belt conference which also has Georgia State who beat UCONN. It's not a bad conference. URI and Delaware are FCS in the CAA which would be like 1AA. Both have decent programs but can't compete with the South Dakota States of the world.
Sorry missed this post.
From what I read, James Madison (“JMU”) began preparing for the jump from FCS to FBS 10 years prior. JMU had a plan and made the required strategic moves and investments and didn’t rush.so when they got there they would be truly ready. The NCAA requires a two year when you make the move so they were not eligible for a bowl invite last year nor this year and they weren’t eligible for Sunbelt championship as the Sunbelt did not want to risk the chance of a team winning their conference and not being eligible for a bowl. Regardless, JMU tied for first in their division of the conference and if eligibl, would have won the tiebreaker and played in the Conference Championship against the other division winner.
UCONN had a plan also and didn’t start off too bad IIRC but the wheels eventually feel off. Not sure why but possibly, too much too soon.
My youngest is a sophomore at James Madison. While they moved from the FCS to the FBS last year, URI and Delaware remain in the FCS. The FCS is what use to be none as D1AA, FBS/FCS is only football classification and they are all D1.
St. John’s football was Division III when I was there but had to move to D1 since alll of their other sports were. The football program was D1AA when the program was disbanded.
I guess the St. John’s to Big 12 rumor is dead.
it was never a rumor to begin with . SJU was never leaving the Big East
I know, and the Big 12 wasn’t looking at us. Just bringing it back on topic.
Uconn finishes the season against FCS Sacred Heart and Umass -- which is essentially an FCS school and perhaps even worse than before they made the jump. Umass is 2-26 the last three seasons. James Madison was an FCS school before last season. Georgia State was part of a group of FCS schools the Sun Belt bumped up to FBS after they were destroyed by Conference USA poaching 10 years ago. FIU is on par with FCS schools and have been in close contests with Maine (14-12 game this year) and barely beat BRYANT 38-37 last year. Army is right on that FBS-FCS dividing line. Uconn had the projected 125th SOS heading into this season and they've played a close game with last place Central Connecticut state and lost to FCS Holy Cross in the last two seasons.
I played at the FCS level and had a high school teammate go to James Madison. I absolutely love the level of football from the 50 teams above the FBS-FCS divider and the 50 below it. I just went to the Monmouth-FAU game last week. I've been to countless Army games at Michie Stadium and I've been to Sun Belt games in three states. Any team in that range can win or lose to another team in that range any given year. James Madison was just as tough of a game before they made the jump last season. Duquesne is in the same league St. John's was in and they beat FBS Ohio on the road two years ago.
With that written, there are levels to this and Uconn fancies themselves as a power program. Power programs might play an FCS school week 1 and they play 5-7 ranked teams like Baylor and Texas Tech last year. They don't play Umass, FIU, JMU, Sacred Heart, Army, etc. in the same season. That's just not big time football.
Army is discussing football-only membership in the AAC. They would be joining Navy and replacing SMU, which is leaving for ACC.
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Army will have a good year every so often, but it's a bottom FBS school. Missouri was 6-7 overall and 3-5 in conference that year. The fact that they even went to a bowl game says a lot about how many bowl games there are. Army had to use the triple option and gimmicky schemes (before the cut block changes were implmented recently) to mitigate the difference in talent. They still do that now but have added more screens and spread out the personnel. But you won't find a beter place to take in a footbal game that Michie Stadium in October.
Uconn is the most ridiculous program to rate in modern NCAA football. They won the Big East championship in 2010! Ten years before that they were an FCS school (referred to as D1-AA at the time). They haven't had a winning season since that championship year.
I’m still pissed I didn’t play football at SJU when I was offered to play there back in 94’. They disbanded the team that year and would have honored the scholarship money given for the years that I was there as they did for others who played there I believe.
I thought football was a club sport.
L J S A
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The question though is whether you would have looked at it with clear middle-aged eyes and thought "three free years without beating on my body," or would you have been a bummed-out 19-year-old and transferred to another program?
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I don't believe so. There used to be a big rivalry with Hofstra back in the day. The football players from that last team are still bitter about what happened. Football got too expensive, especially since Title 9 was enacted. I think the athletic scholarship ratio has to be similar to the student male/female population ratio. (It's been a long time since I heard that so I don't know if that's still the case.) Football eats up a lot of scholarships so to balance it out you either add women's sports or cut men's.
When I was there in the early 70s, we had rugby and hockey; those were club teams.
Yeah well I was at Stony Brook while they were in the process of transitioning to D1AA my freshman year instead and they put me in a dorm with no electricity nor hot water as they were doing repairs during august that was about 2 miles from the fields. I quit before the season even started. Would have been much better off playing 1AA at SJU and getting the free schollie.