St. John’s (2020-21)

[quote="Logen" post=401667][quote="EliteBaller K" post=401645][quote="QueensBall" post=401634]We're definitely going to have a lot of possible lineups to run out there. I bet we see 5 or 6 different lineups before they settle on something. I'm really excited about the potential depth on this team.

Zach's encouraging words on Moore are really exciting to read but I'm going to need to see it first. He was convinced Keita was a stud a couple of years ago. I remember reading about how Keita was a beast in practice and a starter from Day 1. It's gotten to the point with SJU big men (although it seems like Moore may play a few positions?) where we could get the #1 big man in the country and I wouldn't fully celebrate until he produced in games. I don't mean that as a knock on Zach whose coverage I appreciate and respect it's just been such a sore spot for us. Not judging though. I thought Steere was going to be a home run and he contributed less than Keita so...

Luckily with the addition of a solid grad transfer like Toro and the continued development of Earlington and Roberts, I'm a little less worried about us getting bullied like in the past. This team seems to be a little stronger all over the court than we've recently seen.[/quote]

Yep, sounds like we evet hear is hype. Hooper is the next kerr/Paxton lol. Oh yeah Lovett is going to be great, he hardly played. So yes, after so many disappointments you don't go by word of mouth, you see it for yourself. Exactly like I'm doing.[/quote]

Because you guys insist on lending credence to comments about players posters have never seen play. Because many whose opinions get that credence here watch a mixtape and think they can accurately rate and judge a player. I know some feel it makes for a less boring board but I prefer to label it ignorance is bliss.
I mean let’s face it, Anderson inherited a program in a shambles, too late in 2019 to do anything but scramble for players, and has put one team on the court but is already being discussed as a recruiting failure. And being compared unfavorably on that front to two coaching failures who by and large put highly rated, underachieving, dysfunctional teams on the court.
Meanwhile people like JPM and Happy, who obviously know more than a thing or two about the game, are largely dismissed when discussing Pinzon and Traore in very positive terms. Happy in fact posted he thinks Pinzon is in the same class of player as Curbelo, which is high praise indeed. JPM described both as winners and isn’t that what we all want, or is it really just about rating stars?[/quote]

Ummm.on.hooper being compared to paxton and kerr, lavin said that, not posters.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=401668][quote="Logen" post=401667][quote="EliteBaller K" post=401645][quote="QueensBall" post=401634]We're definitely going to have a lot of possible lineups to run out there. I bet we see 5 or 6 different lineups before they settle on something. I'm really excited about the potential depth on this team.

Zach's encouraging words on Moore are really exciting to read but I'm going to need to see it first. He was convinced Keita was a stud a couple of years ago. I remember reading about how Keita was a beast in practice and a starter from Day 1. It's gotten to the point with SJU big men (although it seems like Moore may play a few positions?) where we could get the #1 big man in the country and I wouldn't fully celebrate until he produced in games. I don't mean that as a knock on Zach whose coverage I appreciate and respect it's just been such a sore spot for us. Not judging though. I thought Steere was going to be a home run and he contributed less than Keita so...

Luckily with the addition of a solid grad transfer like Toro and the continued development of Earlington and Roberts, I'm a little less worried about us getting bullied like in the past. This team seems to be a little stronger all over the court than we've recently seen.[/quote]

Yep, sounds like we evet hear is hype. Hooper is the next kerr/Paxton lol. Oh yeah Lovett is going to be great, he hardly played. So yes, after so many disappointments you don't go by word of mouth, you see it for yourself. Exactly like I'm doing.[/quote]

Because you guys insist on lending credence to comments about players posters have never seen play. Because many whose opinions get that credence here watch a mixtape and think they can accurately rate and judge a player. I know some feel it makes for a less boring board but I prefer to label it ignorance is bliss.
I mean let’s face it, Anderson inherited a program in a shambles, too late in 2019 to do anything but scramble for players, and has put one team on the court but is already being discussed as a recruiting failure. And being compared unfavorably on that front to two coaching failures who by and large put highly rated, underachieving, dysfunctional teams on the court.
Meanwhile people like JPM and Happy, who obviously know more than a thing or two about the game, are largely dismissed when discussing Pinzon and Traore in very positive terms. Happy in fact posted he thinks Pinzon is in the same class of player as Curbelo, which is high praise indeed. JPM described both as winners and isn’t that what we all want, or is it really just about rating stars?[/quote] I think as a general rule 4 star players are better then 3 star players. We are placing credence in the scouts that rate the recruits, assuming a 5=star recruit is better then a 3 star recruit. But at the risk of being redundant, character matters also. That doesn’t mean we should get a high character 2 star recruit. Also when recruiting you have to put together a team and the parts have to fit together.[/quote]

You can argue stars all you want, I don’t really care about them. I care about the team we put on the court and I have not remotely seen enough of CMA’s teams to judge him. He obviously coaches a team, not a group of individuals, and appears to recruit the same way.
People have been offering the same tired argument about rating stars since Louie left and still haven’t come to their senses that those types of players generally are not SJU fodder. We don’t pay (thankfully), we don’t have the facilities, we don’t have the campus life, etc., etc.
I may be straying off topic but in the recruiting character column, I applaud Anderson if the comments about Riley not coming here because he wasn’t assured of playing time are true. I may be old school but what the hell type of competitor is afraid to compete? What real deep down when the going gets tough confidence does a person like that have? And what does it say about his respect for his teammates if he wants to negotiate, not earn, his minutes?
SJU is what it is and I for one think CMA and his blue collar style is a perfect, realistic fit and approach for St. John’s. I look forward to seeing his teams play and frankly, with Alexander, Wusu, Pinzon, and Traore as high school recruits out of NYC in his first two recruiting cycles I think his recruiting has been pretty damn good and so do many people whose basketball knowledge I respect. Not to mention Cole and Moore. But obviously, we shall see over the next few years,
 
Lovett was just inside the top 100 if memory serves me correctly, and he lived up to that ranking in his time here. Forget the fact that based of some video of him doing tricks with the ball, our fan base anointed
him the 2nd coming of Tiny Archibald. As is often the case here, the hype is way greater then the reality.
 
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[quote="Monte" post=401678]Lovett was just inside the top 100 if memory serves me correctly, and he lived up to that ranking in his time here. Forget the fact that based of some video of him doing tricks with the ball, our fan base anointed
him the 2nd coming of Tiny Archibald. As is often the case here, the hype is way greater then the reality.[/quote] Lovett lived up to his ranking talent wise. But character wise he was a bad recruit. This is where I agree w Logen. He simply abandoned the team mid season.
 
Pinzon looks solid, but I highly doubt any seriously respected scouts would put him in the same class as Curbelo. He is a consensus 4 star kid #38 nationally. Pinzon is a consensus 3 star and #182 nationally. Not exactly close. It can happen though...hopefully it does.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=401682][quote="Monte" post=401678]Lovett was just inside the top 100 if memory serves me correctly, and he lived up to that ranking in his time here. Forget the fact that based of some video of him doing tricks with the ball, our fan base anointed
him the 2nd coming of Tiny Archibald. As is often the case here, the hype is way greater then the reality.[/quote] Lovett lived up to his ranking talent wise. But character wise he was a bad recruit. This is where I agree w Logen. He simply abandoned the team mid season.[/quote]

Agreed, I was just talking about his production on the court. He met expectations when he played. He was trouble from the get-go. Almost transferred before he played a minute for us. And I always felt like he and Ponds, for as talented as they were, had horrible chemistry when they were on the floor together.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=401684]Pinzon looks solid, but I highly doubt any seriously respected scouts would put him in the same class as Curbelo. He is a consensus 4 star kid #38 nationally. Pinzon is a consensus 3 star and #182 nationally. Not exactly close. It can happen though...hopefully it does.[/quote]

Not directed at you Zaun, but I always found it odd to compare rankings at different positions. Makes the talent gap seem even wider.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=401684]Pinzon looks solid, but I highly doubt any seriously respected scouts would put him in the same class as Curbelo. He is a consensus 4 star kid #38 nationally. Pinzon is a consensus 3 star and #182 nationally. Not exactly close. It can happen though...hopefully it does.[/quote]

You’d still find a way to complain, no wait “question” the results if that happened.
 
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=401669]
Ummm.on.hooper being compared to paxton and kerr, lavin said that, not posters.[/quote]

Ummmmmm, actually, a few posters did say it. This is how things typically start to take on a life of its own. Several fans/posters are so eager to make comparisons.

Maybe it's me, but I don't get the zest to make comparisons. It's made even worse when most have yet to see a recruit in action.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=401692][quote="EliteBaller K" post=401669]
Ummm.on.hooper being compared to paxton and kerr, lavin said that, not posters.[/quote]

Ummmmmm, actually, a few posters did say it. This is how things typically start to take on a life of its own. Several fans/posters are so eager to make comparisons.

Maybe it's me, but I don't get the zest to make comparisons. It's made even worse when most have yet to see a recruit in action.[/quote]

Ummmm I'm pretty sure it was Lavin who said that to hype him up. I won't say I'm 100% sure, if I'm wrong then I'm wrong.
 
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=401695][quote="MJDinkins" post=401692][quote="EliteBaller K" post=401669]
Ummm.on.hooper being compared to paxton and kerr, lavin said that, not posters.[/quote]

Ummmmmm, actually, a few posters did say it. This is how things typically start to take on a life of its own. Several fans/posters are so eager to make comparisons.

Maybe it's me, but I don't get the zest to make comparisons. It's made even worse when most have yet to see a recruit in action.[/quote]

Ummmm I'm pretty sure it was Lavin who said that to hype him up. I won't say I'm 100% sure, if I'm wrong then I'm wrong.[/quote]

He compared Marco Bourgault to Steve Kerr.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=401698][quote="EliteBaller K" post=401695][quote="MJDinkins" post=401692][quote="EliteBaller K" post=401669]
Ummm.on.hooper being compared to paxton and kerr, lavin said that, not posters.[/quote]

Ummmmmm, actually, a few posters did say it. This is how things typically start to take on a life of its own. Several fans/posters are so eager to make comparisons.

Maybe it's me, but I don't get the zest to make comparisons. It's made even worse when most have yet to see a recruit in action.[/quote]

Ummmm I'm pretty sure it was Lavin who said that to hype him up. I won't say I'm 100% sure, if I'm wrong then I'm wrong.[/quote]

He compared Marco Bourgault to Steve Kerr.[/quote]

Maybe Marco becomes a coach who's good at managing egos, so technically Lavin isn't wrong yet.

I'm also proud to say that I warned people here that Hooper wouldn't do anything. i remember someone on the other board predicting that he would average 16 ppg. :lol:
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=401684]Pinzon looks solid, but I highly doubt any seriously respected scouts would put him in the same class as Curbelo. He is a consensus 4 star kid #38 nationally. Pinzon is a consensus 3 star and #182 nationally. Not exactly close. It can happen though...hopefully it does.[/quote]

So I assume you have seen Pinzon play multiple times to come to your opinion. Or just citing numbers because you have no actual idea of Pinzon yourself? But at least your constant, non-stop professional whining keeps the board from being boring.
 
[quote="Logen" post=401703][quote="Mike Zaun" post=401684]Pinzon looks solid, but I highly doubt any seriously respected scouts would put him in the same class as Curbelo. He is a consensus 4 star kid #38 nationally. Pinzon is a consensus 3 star and #182 nationally. Not exactly close. It can happen though...hopefully it does.[/quote]

So I assume you have seen Pinzon play multiple times to come to your opinion. Or just citing numbers because you have no actual idea of Pinzon yourself? But at least your constant, non-stop professional whining keeps the board from being boring.[/quote]

I really don't want an argument but a few years ago we had a guy here who took great joy in eviscerating posts and posters, presumably to prove their inferior knowledge and intellect. Is it really necessary?
 
Im really excited for this season and think our depth is going to be way better than last year but I do have something that I keep thinking about this team that is bothering me a little bit.

I remember last year they would have major droughts scoring. This was with LJ on the floor as well. They had a lot of times empty possessions with nothing run and no one creating their own shots. A lot of the time Dunn would bail the team out and get to the line. Is anyone else scared that we will struggle to score this year? I know LJ had a down year last year but he still was able to score. Hopefully Julian can take the go to guy role this year
 
[quote="TheArtest15" post=401708]Im really excited for this season and think our depth is going to be way better than last year but I do have something that I keep thinking about this team that is bothering me a little bit.

I remember last year they would have major droughts scoring. This was with LJ on the floor as well. They had a lot of times empty possessions with nothing run and no one creating their own shots. A lot of the time Dunn would bail the team out and get to the line. Is anyone else scared that we will struggle to score this year? I know LJ had a down year last year but he still was able to score. Hopefully Julian can take the go to guy role this year[/quote]

I'd say that is a legitimate concern yes. Not sure Julian is that type of player. Maybe he will be.
 
[quote="TheArtest15" post=401708]Im really excited for this season and think our depth is going to be way better than last year but I do have something that I keep thinking about this team that is bothering me a little bit.

I remember last year they would have major droughts scoring. This was with LJ on the floor as well. They had a lot of times empty possessions with nothing run and no one creating their own shots. A lot of the time Dunn would bail the team out and get to the line. Is anyone else scared that we will struggle to score this year? I know LJ had a down year last year but he still was able to score. Hopefully Julian can take the go to guy role this year[/quote]

Just my two cents, and I agree with you about last year, but we lacked a true pg. We didn’t have anyone who could really break down a defense through penetration, draw a double team and kick the ball to an open man. LJ would do it at times, but this really wasn’t his role. Posh should change that, possibly McGriff if he gets minutes, and we’ll see how others have developed (e.g., Williams, Dunn with less pressure to be a pg).
 
[quote="Room112" post=401709][quote="TheArtest15" post=401708]Im really excited for this season and think our depth is going to be way better than last year but I do have something that I keep thinking about this team that is bothering me a little bit.

I remember last year they would have major droughts scoring. This was with LJ on the floor as well. They had a lot of times empty possessions with nothing run and no one creating their own shots. A lot of the time Dunn would bail the team out and get to the line. Is anyone else scared that we will struggle to score this year? I know LJ had a down year last year but he still was able to score. Hopefully Julian can take the go to guy role this year[/quote]

I'd say that is a legitimate concern yes. Not sure Julian is that type of player. Maybe he will be.[/quote]


I like Julian a lot. He's a nice player who far exceeded expectations last year. I am no where near as high on him going in to this year as many(not you) on this board are.
 
[quote="Monte" post=401713][quote="Room112" post=401709][quote="TheArtest15" post=401708]Im really excited for this season and think our depth is going to be way better than last year but I do have something that I keep thinking about this team that is bothering me a little bit.

I remember last year they would have major droughts scoring. This was with LJ on the floor as well. They had a lot of times empty possessions with nothing run and no one creating their own shots. A lot of the time Dunn would bail the team out and get to the line. Is anyone else scared that we will struggle to score this year? I know LJ had a down year last year but he still was able to score. Hopefully Julian can take the go to guy role this year[/quote]

I'd say that is a legitimate concern yes. Not sure Julian is that type of player. Maybe he will be.[/quote]


I like Julian a lot. He's a nice player who far exceeded expectations last year. I am no where near as high on him going in to this year as many(not you) on this board are.[/quote]

Julian proves Logens point 1000%. An unheralded player who finished all BE and ended the season almost averaging a double double. Fit in seamlessly , zero headaches , super coach able, team leader going into his sophomore season.
So tiring this endless star debate.
 
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