SJU Transfer Targets/Possibilities

Jeff Borzello

Vermont transfer Stef Smith has heard from Providence, UConn, St. John’s, Marquette, Nebraska, Colorado St., Arkansas, Florida, Santa Clara, St. Mary’s, Mississippi St., Northeastern, UTSA, Washington St., Loyola Marymount and UNCG, per his AAU coach. Two-time All-America East.

 
 
Paultzman" post=425680 said:
Jeff Borzello

Vermont transfer Stef Smith has heard from Providence, UConn, St. John’s, Marquette, Nebraska, Colorado St., Arkansas, Florida, Santa Clara, St. Mary’s, Mississippi St., Northeastern, UTSA, Washington St., Loyola Marymount and UNCG, per his AAU coach. Two-time All-America East.


 

Wait now I'm confused.  He's played his 4 years.  That would mean we would have to be under the 13.

Also to note last year he went for 17 in their win against us.  7-13, 1-5 from 3 that day.
 
Moose" post=425693 said:
Paultzman" post=425680 said:
Jeff Borzello

Vermont transfer Stef Smith has heard from Providence, UConn, St. John’s, Marquette, Nebraska, Colorado St., Arkansas, Florida, Santa Clara, St. Mary’s, Mississippi St., Northeastern, UTSA, Washington St., Loyola Marymount and UNCG, per his AAU coach. Two-time All-America East.



 

Wait now I'm confused.  He's played his 4 years.  That would mean we would have to be under the 13.

Also to note last year he went for 17 in their win against us.  7-13, 1-5 from 3 that day.

This is the point I was trying to make in other thread.
 
Look at the bright side . This will add to the day to day paranoia of St John's fans with rumors. Which can make fun reading 
 
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Amaseinyourface" post=425694 said:
Moose" post=425693 said:
Paultzman" post=425680 said:
Jeff Borzello

Vermont transfer Stef Smith has heard from Providence, UConn, St. John’s, Marquette, Nebraska, Colorado St., Arkansas, Florida, Santa Clara, St. Mary’s, Mississippi St., Northeastern, UTSA, Washington St., Loyola Marymount and UNCG, per his AAU coach. Two-time All-America East.




 

Wait now I'm confused.  He's played his 4 years.  That would mean we would have to be under the 13.

Also to note last year he went for 17 in their win against us.  7-13, 1-5 from 3 that day.

This is the point I was trying to make in other thread.

I'm not confused about him specifically transferring and maybe to SJU.  I'm just confused because we would have to get under the 13 ships while we have one other very big need first and foremost.
 
 
I think with the he uncertainty of this offseason in college basketball in general,  CMA and staff are just keeping all their irons in the fire just in case,  while at the same time always looking to increase the talent level on the team which is very prudent on their part and a nice change compared to our last two staffs. 
 
Mean Gene" post=425700 said:
I think with the he uncertainty of this offseason in college basketball in general,  CMA and staff are just keeping all their irons in the fire just in case,  while at the same time always looking to increase the talent level on the team which is very prudent on their part and a nice change compared to our last two staffs. 

TBF the last staff gave out ships and was linked to everyone and their mother courtesy of their recruiting 'strategy'

But yes as I mentioned in the beginning of this thread its going to be very fluid.  And even when you get a commit you need to watch out for the trickle down effect.
 
Busy week upcoming for FIU transfer Antonio Daye Jr. He told @Stockrisers he’s expected to complete virtual visits with Clemson, Marquette, and Providence next week.

All three have extended him a scholarship, along with Pitt, Mizzou, St. John’s, Cincinnati, and many others.
 
fordham96" post=425673 said:
I just watched his highlights, he would be perfect in CMA's system.  I know Posh is here and both of those guys are undersized PG's but I think they could make it work,  CMA doesn't run a tradational offense that requires a PG to run a specific set, multiple guys can handle the ball and initiate the motion offense.  Those 2 guys would cause absoulete havoc in the the back court, Walker averaged 2.4 SPG and was finalist for DPOY in his conference.  

Him and Posh in the back court together would be similar to Pitino's championship back court of Peyton Siva and Russ Smith, two undersized guards that could score and get after you defensively.  Worked out really well for them and Pitino and CMA run very similar systems.  

Anyone know of the staff's relationship with this kid and if he ever had interested in St. John's?   I see he's a New York kid.  Would love if they pursued him if a spot opened up.
 
Making Plays" post=425843 said:
fordham96" post=425673 said:
I just watched his highlights, he would be perfect in CMA's system.  I know Posh is here and both of those guys are undersized PG's but I think they could make it work,  CMA doesn't run a tradational offense that requires a PG to run a specific set, multiple guys can handle the ball and initiate the motion offense.  Those 2 guys would cause absoulete havoc in the the back court, Walker averaged 2.4 SPG and was finalist for DPOY in his conference.  

Him and Posh in the back court together would be similar to Pitino's championship back court of Peyton Siva and Russ Smith, two undersized guards that could score and get after you defensively.  Worked out really well for them and Pitino and CMA run very similar systems.  

Anyone know of the staff's relationship with this kid and if he ever had interested in St. John's?   I see he's a New York kid.  Would love if they pursued him if a spot opened up.
Van is tight with him, but some say Seton Hall will go after him in light of their PG situation
 
Making Plays" post=425843 said:
fordham96" post=425673 said:
I just watched his highlights, he would be perfect in CMA's system.  I know Posh is here and both of those guys are undersized PG's but I think they could make it work,  CMA doesn't run a tradational offense that requires a PG to run a specific set, multiple guys can handle the ball and initiate the motion offense.  Those 2 guys would cause absoulete havoc in the the back court, Walker averaged 2.4 SPG and was finalist for DPOY in his conference.  

Him and Posh in the back court together would be similar to Pitino's championship back court of Peyton Siva and Russ Smith, two undersized guards that could score and get after you defensively.  Worked out really well for them and Pitino and CMA run very similar systems.  

Anyone know of the staff's relationship with this kid and if he ever had interested in St. John's?   I see he's a New York kid.  Would love if they pursued him if a spot opened up.

Don't like having an undersized backcourt when we have an undersized forecourt. If you don't think we need more size, not less, look at our last game.
 
 
redken" post=425879 said:
Making Plays" post=425843 said:
fordham96" post=425673 said:
I just watched his highlights, he would be perfect in CMA's system.  I know Posh is here and both of those guys are undersized PG's but I think they could make it work,  CMA doesn't run a tradational offense that requires a PG to run a specific set, multiple guys can handle the ball and initiate the motion offense.  Those 2 guys would cause absoulete havoc in the the back court, Walker averaged 2.4 SPG and was finalist for DPOY in his conference.  

Him and Posh in the back court together would be similar to Pitino's championship back court of Peyton Siva and Russ Smith, two undersized guards that could score and get after you defensively.  Worked out really well for them and Pitino and CMA run very similar systems.  

Anyone know of the staff's relationship with this kid and if he ever had interested in St. John's?   I see he's a New York kid.  Would love if they pursued him if a spot opened up.

Don't like having an undersized backcourt when we have an undersized forecourt. If you don't think we need more size, not less, look at our last game.

 
Some think Seton Hall will be all over him since they have PG void. Van Macon knows him & recruited him apparently to St Louis
 
Lredken" post=425879 said:
Don't like having an undersized backcourt when we have an undersized forecourt. If you don't think we need more size, not less, look at our last game.
 
Last game could have easily been won, even without our best big man playing, Champagnie had a shot to win the game on a wide open mid-range shot, you ask anybody and they'll take that situation 9 times out of 10.  And we just beat that same team by 10 points a week ago.  So, let's not act like just because we didn't have a 7 footer that's the reason we lost that game.

Also, that Louisville team I mentioned their starters height was 6'0, 6'0, 6'5, 6'6, and 6'10 and they won a national championship. Our current starting lineup is bigger than that.  Everyone get stuck on "We need a 7 footer" and act like that's going to automatically make you a better team.  Truth of the matter we just needed to play better in some of those games and they would have made the tournament, we didn't lose to DePaul because of lack of height in front court, Pauly Paulicap is their center and he's 6'8.

 
 
Making Plays" post=426064 said:
Lredken" post=425879 said:
Don't like having an undersized backcourt when we have an undersized forecourt. If you don't think we need more size, not less, look at our last game.
 
Last game could have easily been won, even without our best big man playing, Champagnie had a shot to win the game on a wide open mid-range shot, you ask anybody and they'll take that situation 9 times out of 10.  And we just beat that same team by 10 points a week ago.  So, let's not act like just because we didn't have a 7 footer that's the reason we lost that game.

Also, that Louisville team I mentioned their starters height was 6'0, 6'0, 6'5, 6'6, and 6'10 and they won a national championship. Our current starting lineup is bigger than that.  Everyone get stuck on "We need a 7 footer" and act like that's going to automatically make you a better team.  Truth of the matter we just needed to play better in some of those games and they would have made the tournament, we didn't lose to DePaul because of lack of height in front court, Pauly Paulicap is their center and he's 6'8.






 


You're not wrong.  However, the Louisville team was really an exception.  When playing without an inside prescence you lower the team's margin for error and raise the degree of difficulty as you have to work to compensate for that void.  I don't think anyone is saying we need a seven footer, but we despartely need to fill a painfully obvious need.  To your point, Pauly Paulicap is not a exactly a premier center at 6'8".  But, these type of average power fowards and centers often look like all-stars while destroying us on the boards and in the paint.

Coach Willard didn't have to study tape all night to come up with a game plan and DePaul (because of their make-up) would probably have beat us again.  We can't restart next year giving opponents that same advantage.  I imagine the staff is well aware of this issue and is prioritizing a big man.  The restlessness from our fan base is because this need is not new. 

  
 
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JohnnyFan" post=426068 said:
Making Plays" post=426064 said:
Lredken" post=425879 said:
Don't like having an undersized backcourt when we have an undersized forecourt. If you don't think we need more size, not less, look at our last game.
 
Last game could have easily been won, even without our best big man playing, Champagnie had a shot to win the game on a wide open mid-range shot, you ask anybody and they'll take that situation 9 times out of 10.  And we just beat that same team by 10 points a week ago.  So, let's not act like just because we didn't have a 7 footer that's the reason we lost that game.

Also, that Louisville team I mentioned their starters height was 6'0, 6'0, 6'5, 6'6, and 6'10 and they won a national championship. Our current starting lineup is bigger than that.  Everyone get stuck on "We need a 7 footer" and act like that's going to automatically make you a better team.  Truth of the matter we just needed to play better in some of those games and they would have made the tournament, we didn't lose to DePaul because of lack of height in front court, Pauly Paulicap is their center and he's 6'8.







 


You're not wrong.  However, the Louisville team was really an exception.  When playing without an inside prescence you lower the team's margin for error and raise the degree of difficulty as you have to work to compensate for that void.  I don't think anyone is saying we need a seven footer, but we despartely need to fill a painfully obvious need.  To your point, Pauly Paulicap is not a exactly a premier center at 6'8".  But, these type of average power fowards and centers often look like all-stars while destroying us on the boards and in the paint.

Coach Willard didn't have to study tape all night to come up with a game plan and DePaul (because of their make-up) would probably have beat us again.  We can't restart next year giving opponents that same advantage.  I imagine the staff is well aware of this issue and is prioritizing a big man.  The restlessness from our fan base is because this need is not new. 

  
That Louisville team wasn't an exception, a lot of Pitino's teams look like that, he likes quick guards that can guard you 94 feet and athletic and quick big men.  The starting center after that group was 6'7 Montrez Harrell, and I say that team with Harrell did pretty good as well.

Also, for those thinking CMA is going to go out and get a 7'0, traditional, pound it in the paint center like what Georgetown and Seton Hall has they are going to be extremely disappointed, I've never seen him have any of those type of centers.  Daniel Gafford was the closets thing to that, but even he wasn't a back to the basket pound it in the paint center he was just an elite athlete that ran the floor extremely well.  His game was actually very similar to Isiah Moore except he didn't shoot 3 pointers, and he was better on defense, and that's all CMA really needs.  I thought Moore if he had his head on straight could have filled that role and helped them be a great team next year. 

And don't take my word for it, go look at CMA's previous rosters and see what he prefers at the 5 spot.  Guys like Moore and Nyiwe, those are the type of bigs he prefers in his system.... which is guys that are athletic, can run the floor in transition, guard multiple positions, and guys that can also space the floor with their shooting at the 5 spot.  His elite 8 team (his best team ever) starting center was a 6'9 Leo Lyons.  
 
Everyone keeps saying we need a center. But it's easy to forget over the past decade we've actually had centers. And how did that work out for us?

Yankuba Sima ring a bell? The De La Rosa brothers? Darien Williams? Chris Obekpa? Gods Gift? 

All of these guys weren't very good and most complained they had stone hands. 

Finding a big man is easy. Finding a big man that is skilled and will fit the team probably is not. 
 
Making Plays" post=426089 said:
JohnnyFan" post=426068 said:
Making Plays" post=426064 said:
Lredken" post=425879 said:
Don't like having an undersized backcourt when we have an undersized forecourt. If you don't think we need more size, not less, look at our last game.
 
Last game could have easily been won, even without our best big man playing, Champagnie had a shot to win the game on a wide open mid-range shot, you ask anybody and they'll take that situation 9 times out of 10.  And we just beat that same team by 10 points a week ago.  So, let's not act like just because we didn't have a 7 footer that's the reason we lost that game.

Also, that Louisville team I mentioned their starters height was 6'0, 6'0, 6'5, 6'6, and 6'10 and they won a national championship. Our current starting lineup is bigger than that.  Everyone get stuck on "We need a 7 footer" and act like that's going to automatically make you a better team.  Truth of the matter we just needed to play better in some of those games and they would have made the tournament, we didn't lose to DePaul because of lack of height in front court, Pauly Paulicap is their center and he's 6'8.












 


You're not wrong.  However, the Louisville team was really an exception.  When playing without an inside prescence you lower the team's margin for error and raise the degree of difficulty as you have to work to compensate for that void.  I don't think anyone is saying we need a seven footer, but we despartely need to fill a painfully obvious need.  To your point, Pauly Paulicap is not a exactly a premier center at 6'8".  But, these type of average power fowards and centers often look like all-stars while destroying us on the boards and in the paint.

Coach Willard didn't have to study tape all night to come up with a game plan and DePaul (because of their make-up) would probably have beat us again.  We can't restart next year giving opponents that same advantage.  I imagine the staff is well aware of this issue and is prioritizing a big man.  The restlessness from our fan base is because this need is not new. 

  
That Louisville team wasn't an exception, a lot of Pitino's teams look like that, he likes quick guards that can guard you 94 feet and athletic and quick big men.  The starting center after that group was 6'7 Montrez Harrell, and I say that team with Harrell did pretty good as well.

Also, for those thinking CMA is going to go out and get a 7'0, traditional, pound it in the paint center like what Georgetown and Seton Hall has they are going to be extremely disappointed, I've never seen him have any of those type of centers.  Daniel Gafford was the closets thing to that, but even he wasn't a back to the basket pound it in the paint center he was just an elite athlete that ran the floor extremely well.  His game was actually very similar to Isiah Moore except he didn't shoot 3 pointers, and he was better on defense, and that's all CMA really needs.  I thought Moore if he had his head on straight could have filled that role and helped them be a great team next year. 

And don't take my word for it, go look at CMA's previous rosters and see what he prefers at the 5 spot.  Guys like Moore and Nyiwe, those are the type of bigs he prefers in his system.... which is guys that are athletic, can run the floor in transition, guard multiple positions, and guys that can also space the floor with their shooting at the 5 spot.  His elite 8 team (his best team ever) starting center was a 6'9 Leo Lyons.  

I respect your familiary with CMA's preference.  Regarding Louisville, that team is the standard example used to make the point you are making.  That backcourt was special and Montrez Harrell is an NBA player (this year's NBA 6th man of the year).   I get what you are saying, but that was a unique collection of players.

Again, not looking for a 7 footer or a kid that pounds the paint with his back-to-the-basket.  We need a a strong, thick rim protector that can stop the bleeding.  Someone that can help with a blocked shot when our guards get beat and someone who can box out the Nate Watson types so they don't finish with 20 boards. Happy to disgree, but there is a long history here.  Right or wrong, this fan base will not be patient if that void is not finally filled.

 
 
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Paultzman" post=426150 said:
Sense Tyson Walker is in play for SJU
would be a great pick up for SJU and A perfect replacement for Dunn. Experienced, talented, no attitude and seems to come from a good family, everything CMA is looking for. Sure Arbitello is putting in a good word for us. Played with my sons summer teammate Jameel Telford who was CAA all rookie team and may have been CAA rookie of the year. Would like to see this happen. 
 
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