Sampson BE Rookie of the week

I'd say 60/40 right now he leaves.

If he wins BE ROY, I have no doubt he's gone.

How many Conference Rookie of the Year's leave?

Since 1990 in the BE it's been Moe, Lance, Carmelo, Eddie Griffin and Tim Thomas.

Just curious overall. Its a great accomplishment no doubt. He's playing better than anyone could have expected, me included. And I was one who loved his jumpshot while others questioned it.
 
I'd say 60/40 right now he leaves.

If he wins BE ROY, I have no doubt he's gone.

How many Conference Rookie of the Year's leave?

Very weak draft this year. I wouldn't blame him for leaving and striking while the iron is still hot if he does indeed win ROY. Moe's name didn't really start coming up until conference play if I recall correctly. Jakarr has come out of the gate flying.
 
I'd say 60/40 right now he leaves.

If he wins BE ROY, I have no doubt he's gone.

How many Conference Rookie of the Year's leave?

Very weak draft this year. I wouldn't blame him for leaving and striking while the iron is still hot if he does indeed win ROY. Moe's name didn't really start coming up until conference play if I recall correctly. Jakarr has come out of the gate flying.

It would hurt us but also could help that Lav put 2 ROY's in the NBA back to back.
 
I'd say 60/40 right now he leaves.

If he wins BE ROY, I have no doubt he's gone.

How many Conference Rookie of the Year's leave?

Very weak draft this year. I wouldn't blame him for leaving and striking while the iron is still hot if he does indeed win ROY. Moe's name didn't really start coming up until conference play if I recall correctly. Jakarr has come out of the gate flying.

It would hurt us but also could help that Lav put 2 ROY's in the NBA back to back.
If we lose Dlo and Sampson how good do you realisticalyy think we can be next year? I think we would probably take a step back even from this year's team.
 
I'd say 60/40 right now he leaves.

If he wins BE ROY, I have no doubt he's gone.

How many Conference Rookie of the Year's leave?

Very weak draft this year. I wouldn't blame him for leaving and striking while the iron is still hot if he does indeed win ROY. Moe's name didn't really start coming up until conference play if I recall correctly. Jakarr has come out of the gate flying.

It would hurt us but also could help that Lav put 2 ROY's in the NBA back to back.
If we lose Dlo and Sampson how good do you realisticalyy think we can be next year? I think we would probably take a step back even from this year's team.

Without a doubt. Even if you replace them with Jermaine and Rysheed its the unproven vs. the proven.
 
It's the risk you take when recruiting excellent players. The positive side is that sending kids to the NBA assures a steady stream of high quality players as recruits alway choose schools that can get them to the NBA. Then we return guys that continue to develop like Amir, Dom, Obekpa, Gift, Balsmou, branch and the rest and you can still see the possibility of real good teams with infusion of good young talent.
 
I'd say 60/40 right now he leaves.

If he wins BE ROY, I have no doubt he's gone.

How many Conference Rookie of the Year's leave?

Very weak draft this year. I wouldn't blame him for leaving and striking while the iron is still hot if he does indeed win ROY. Moe's name didn't really start coming up until conference play if I recall correctly. Jakarr has come out of the gate flying.

It would hurt us but also could help that Lav put 2 ROY's in the NBA back to back.

Selfishly I want him to stay. I think he'd be dominant as a Soph just like I felt about Moe. But it's his dream. I can't be mad.

And yes, says a lot about the staff's ability to not only recruit but also to develop players. If I'm a recruit and the coach has just had back-to-back ROYs on his team, I'd be hard pressed to turn him down. Talk about a feather in his cap.

You're also potentially talking about him having the DPOY.
 
Interesting note from STJ notes-

Of note, St. John’s Moe Harkless was a two-time BIG EAST Rookie of the Week before going on to capture conference Rookie of the Year honors last season.
 
So we will be a feeder to the nba but when will we have team success? If you keep losing your best players early you than have to recruit at the Kentucky and Kansas level to have team success and that means multiple very high ranked recruits on a yearly basis-higher than coach Lavin as done so far.
 
He's definitely back next year...he still has to refine his shot a bit and he is way too skinny...he needs to get stronger and fill out his body first.
 
He's definitely back next year...he still has to refine his shot a bit and he is way too skinny...he needs to get stronger and fill out his body first.

Way too skinny? He looks to have more of a build than Moe when he left last year. And his perimeter shot is better than Moe's was at this point last year.

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Jakarr will probably head to the NBA, but overall it is great for our future. We just need to add Jermaine Lawrence and we'll be fine replacing him. Like I said, it is nice to have a mix of NBA type talent and kids that stay a few years. Right now, our problems are exacerbated by the fact that our stars are young as are our core. Over next few years, we will be developing a core of players that will finally have some upperclassmen as well as these one and done guys. Most will stay, even if we lose one every year or two to the NBA. Is a good formula.
 
Jakarr's mid range shot has been terrific but to play in the nba hell have to be able to hit 3's. Hes not strong enough to bang on the inside. Moe had more of a perimeter game than Jakarr in terms of taking people off the dribble from the 3 point line, and I think was looked at as an easier transition to the wing in the NBA. Because of that I viewed Moe's NBA potential as greater than Jakarrs at this point in their collegiate career.

I believe at this point last year NBAdraft.net had moe as a top ten pick after his sophomore year. Jakarr isnt mentioned at this point.

I think Jakarr could really benefit from another year (thought the same with Jakarr and most players who leave after one year) but if A team is willing to take a flyer on him such as they did with moe than I wouldnt be able to blame him.
 
Jakarr's mid range shot has been terrific but to play in the nba hell have to be able to hit 3's. Hes not strong enough to bang on the inside. Moe had more of a perimeter game than Jakarr in terms of taking people off the dribble from the 3 point line, and I think was looked at as an easier transition to the wing in the NBA. Because of that I viewed Moe's NBA potential as greater than Jakarrs at this point in their collegiate career.

I believe at this point last year NBAdraft.net had moe as a top ten pick after his sophomore year. Jakarr isnt mentioned at this point.

I think Jakarr could really benefit from another year (thought the same with Jakarr and most players who leave after one year) but if A team is willing to take a flyer on him such as they did with moe than I wouldnt be able to blame him.

The biggest knock on Moe was his outside shot. He calmed everyone's fears by shooting so well and consistently during the draft combine, not during the season. Scouts were enamoured with Moe's frame as he looked to have your prototypical NBA SF body.

Jakarr is a better midrange shooter, rebounder and shotblocker at this point than Moe was last year. And he looks like he'll only improve shooting the midrange shot.

I'd say Moe scored much more transition baskets at this point last year than Jakarr has. It seems like we only get 1-2 breakaways this year. Imagine what's going to happen if/when we start getting some consistent fastbreak opportunities. Not sure you'll find 5 better finishers in the BE than Jakarr.

I think I said before the season started, all Jakarr needs is a breakout conference game at MSG. There will be scouts at the Georgetown game to see Otto Porter. That would be a good showcase game for Jakarr.
 
He's definitely back next year...he still has to refine his shot a bit and he is way too skinny...he needs to get stronger and fill out his body first.

The NBA Draft is about one thing above all else: projection. Every year more polished and accomplished-at-the-college-level upperclassmen get passed in the draft for younger prospects that are deemed to have higher ceilings. What a player has to work on isn't as important to front offices/college scouting departments as how good they think a player will ultimately be in those areas.

A lot of it will come down to how he plays the rest of the year. If he produces in the Big East at anything close to what he's been doing recently, the probability of him leaving will be higher than him coming back. It will stink if he does, but one-and-dones is a reality when you bring in premier talents with a ton of upside and great makeups like him, because that is exactly what the NBA is looking for.
 
Jakarr's mid range shot has been terrific but to play in the nba hell have to be able to hit 3's. Hes not strong enough to bang on the inside. Moe had more of a perimeter game than Jakarr in terms of taking people off the dribble from the 3 point line, and I think was looked at as an easier transition to the wing in the NBA. Because of that I viewed Moe's NBA potential as greater than Jakarrs at this point in their collegiate career.

I believe at this point last year NBAdraft.net had moe as a top ten pick after his sophomore year. Jakarr isnt mentioned at this point.

I think Jakarr could really benefit from another year (thought the same with Jakarr and most players who leave after one year) but if A team is willing to take a flyer on him such as they did with moe than I wouldnt be able to blame him.

The biggest knock on Moe was his outside shot. He calmed everyone's fears by shooting so well and consistently during the draft combine, not during the season. Scouts were enamoured with Moe's frame as he looked to have your prototypical NBA SF body.

Jakarr is a better midrange shooter, rebounder and shotblocker at this point than Moe was last year. And he looks like he'll only improve shooting the midrange shot.

I'd say Moe scored much more transition baskets at this point last year than Jakarr has. It seems like we only get 1-2 breakaways this year. Imagine what's going to happen if/when we start getting some consistent fastbreak opportunities. Not sure you'll find 5 better finishers in the BE than Jakarr.

I think I said before the season started, all Jakarr needs is a breakout conference game at MSG. There will be scouts at the Georgetown game to see Otto Porter. That would be a good showcase game for Jakarr.

Yeah, I think Jakarr is a goner too. Last year Moe had that big game against Duke at Cameron Indoor that really put him on the map. One big game by Jakarr and his stock will similarly explode.
 
Jakarr's mid range shot has been terrific but to play in the nba hell have to be able to hit 3's. Hes not strong enough to bang on the inside. Moe had more of a perimeter game than Jakarr in terms of taking people off the dribble from the 3 point line, and I think was looked at as an easier transition to the wing in the NBA. Because of that I viewed Moe's NBA potential as greater than Jakarrs at this point in their collegiate career.

I believe at this point last year NBAdraft.net had moe as a top ten pick after his sophomore year. Jakarr isnt mentioned at this point.

I think Jakarr could really benefit from another year (thought the same with Jakarr and most players who leave after one year) but if A team is willing to take a flyer on him such as they did with moe than I wouldnt be able to blame him.

The biggest knock on Moe was his outside shot. He calmed everyone's fears by shooting so well and consistently during the draft combine, not during the season. Scouts were enamoured with Moe's frame as he looked to have your prototypical NBA SF body.

Jakarr is a better midrange shooter, rebounder and shotblocker at this point than Moe was last year. And he looks like he'll only improve shooting the midrange shot.

I'd say Moe scored much more transition baskets at this point last year than Jakarr has. It seems like we only get 1-2 breakaways this year. Imagine what's going to happen if/when we start getting some consistent fastbreak opportunities. Not sure you'll find 5 better finishers in the BE than Jakarr.

I think I said before the season started, all Jakarr needs is a breakout conference game at MSG. There will be scouts at the Georgetown game to see Otto Porter. That would be a good showcase game for Jakarr.

I agree with most of what you said although many would say Moe was the better rebounder/shotblocker of the two ( it really is close).

Just a question for you, do think Jakarr is a 3 at the next level? I think hes more of a 4 while moe is more of a 3.
 
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