Rysheed Jordan

[beast of the east]

Surprising thing for me is he got much less grief on the boards than did Harrison while they were here. Harrison labeled a "punk" more times than I can recall when in fact Jordan was actually a bad guy and for the most part escaped the same wrath.

Jordan got less flak because his issues were always covered up. It was "rumored" that he wasn't at practice, or back in philly. But the company line was he was grieving or had a sick relative.

Harrison was treated differently. He was benched for rolling his eyes or yelling at a ref.

It's pretty disgusting to somehow pin this on Lavin. I really don't care to repeat the things I've heard about some former players in our program that are held up by most of us as real contributors, but some of it rises to criminal. What's clear is that Jordan chose not to become a college student, and never gave up his questionable associations in Philly.

Harrison didn't get suspended for screaming at refs. The final straw was cursing out coaches loudly in ear shot of fans seated courtside while Lavin was away at his father's funeral. Do that at your job and see what happens. Lavin gave Harrison a summer to work on himself and come back with a different attitude. He did, and as such was a Lavin success story. Harrison did the work for sure, but nearly any D1 coach of a major program would have tossed Harrison immediately.

Anyone here who said he shouldn't have been recruited is a gigantic hypocrite. After seeing him here for 2 seasons, just about everyone wanted him back for a third, and projected him as the leader of the team who would have a breakout season.

Bottom line, Jordan is responsible for Jordan, and chose a path to self destruction. He's extremely fortunate he didn't kill his victim, or his prison time would be much more severe. Still plenty of time to turn his life around. It's up to him though.

So Harrison was a success story and therefore Lavin gets credit; Jordan a disaster so that is all on Jordan? And you call others who might have a difference of opinion than yours giant hypocrites?

Harrison credits Lavin, but you can't? Really foolish. Again.

Of course Jordan is all on Jordan, unless the SJU curriculum calls for armed robbery.

Does a cardiac surgeon not get credit for a successful operation? or do we blame him when the patient dies? Jordan had to study, respond, make himself a college student, and tell his local friends to stay home. He failed to do everything he should have.

Beast I had no problem with Lavin going after Jordan(and CO, and ADR, and Thomas, and....). My problem is that they were all big question marks who he went after because he had no other viable options.

And he had no other viable options because he was lazy. Instead of attending high school tournaments and getting on the recruiting grind like our current staff, he chased the scraps with baggage. You know, the kids that other coaches knew would either not qualify or not conform.

I honestly get how people on here still defend Lavin as a person. I don't agree with much of it, but I get it. I even get(sort of) how they defend him as a game coach. What I truly don't get is how people defended, and still defend, his work ethic. You know, the ones that excused the staff's absences at local high school and AAU games, etc. Anyone who cannot see the difference in work ethic between Chris's staff and Lavin's staff has to be either completely blinded by loyalty, or just plain blind.

There are only a couple of people here who really would have a clue as to how hard he really worked. Since you hit a lot of hs games, you would be one and so would one other person on here. The rest is speculation, and even those in the know don't know how many phone calls he made or what his method of recruiting is to reel in a big name. All I know is that the results weren't good enough to warrant continued employment. Even then, unless you are a recruiter yourself or on the SJU staff, you really don't know how Lavin spent his days, even though much has been said about how lazy he is, I really don't know. I haven't seen his cell phone bills and don't know where he or his staff traveled to recruit.

As to whether Lavin is a phony or not, I can't tell. I've met him, and I am pretty sure the disconnect for me is that he is a California guy and in my experience there is a continental divide in how NYers and Californians communicate.

 

[JohnnyFan]

Surprising thing for me is he got much less grief on the boards than did Harrison while they were here. Harrison labeled a "punk" more times than I can recall when in fact Jordan was actually a bad guy and for the most part escaped the same wrath.

Jordan got less flak because his issues were always covered up. It was "rumored" that he wasn't at practice, or back in philly. But the company line was he was grieving or had a sick relative.

Harrison was treated differently. He was benched for rolling his eyes or yelling at a ref.

It's pretty disgusting to somehow pin this on Lavin. I really don't care to repeat the things I've heard about some former players in our program that are held up by most of us as real contributors, but some of it rises to criminal. What's clear is that Jordan chose not to become a college student, and never gave up his questionable associations in Philly.

Harrison didn't get suspended for screaming at refs. The final straw was cursing out coaches loudly in ear shot of fans seated courtside while Lavin was away at his father's funeral. Do that at your job and see what happens. Lavin gave Harrison a summer to work on himself and come back with a different attitude. He did, and as such was a Lavin success story. Harrison did the work for sure, but nearly any D1 coach of a major program would have tossed Harrison immediately.

Anyone here who said he shouldn't have been recruited is a gigantic hypocrite. After seeing him here for 2 seasons, just about everyone wanted him back for a third, and projected him as the leader of the team who would have a breakout season.

Bottom line, Jordan is responsible for Jordan, and chose a path to self destruction. He's extremely fortunate he didn't kill his victim, or his prison time would be much more severe. Still plenty of time to turn his life around. It's up to him though.

So Harrison was a success story and therefore Lavin gets credit; Jordan a disaster so that is all on Jordan? And you call others who might have a difference of opinion than yours giant hypocrites?

Harrison credits Lavin, but you can't? Really foolish. Again.

Of course Jordan is all on Jordan, unless the SJU curriculum calls for armed robbery.

Does a cardiac surgeon not get credit for a successful operation? or do we blame him when the patient dies? Jordan had to study, respond, make himself a college student, and tell his local friends to stay home. He failed to do everything he should have.

Beast I had no problem with Lavin going after Jordan(and CO, and ADR, and Thomas, and....). My problem is that they were all big question marks who he went after because he had no other viable options.

And he had no other viable options because he was lazy. Instead of attending high school tournaments and getting on the recruiting grind like our current staff, he chased the scraps with baggage. You know, the kids that other coaches knew would either not qualify or not conform.

I honestly get how people on here still defend Lavin as a person. I don't agree with much of it, but I get it. I even get(sort of) how they defend him as a game coach. What I truly don't get is how people defended, and still defend, his work ethic. You know, the ones that excused the staff's absences at local high school and AAU games, etc. Anyone who cannot see the difference in work ethic between Chris's staff and Lavin's staff has to be either completely blinded by loyalty, or just plain blind.

There are only a couple of people here who really would have a clue as to how hard he really worked. Since you hit a lot of hs games, you would be one and so would one other person on here. The rest is speculation, and even those in the know don't know how many phone calls he made or what his method of recruiting is to reel in a big name. All I know is that the results weren't good enough to warrant continued employment. Even then, unless you are a recruiter yourself or on the SJU staff, you really don't know how Lavin spent his days, even though much has been said about how lazy he is, I really don't know. I haven't seen his cell phone bills and don't know where he or his staff traveled to recruit.

As to whether Lavin is a phony or not, I can't tell. I've met him, and I am pretty sure the disconnect for me is that he is a California guy and in my experience there is a continental divide in how NYers and Californians communicate.

Beast, you didn't have to attend HS games to know Lavin wasn't there. Twitter alone can keep one informed about which coaches are at which tournaments or games. I will give you the fact that we don't know his phone call records. But let's be honest, outside of Tony Childs (here and there), Steve and his staff were simply not out there making connection and watching HS prospects play.

 

[fun]

outside of Tony Childs (here and there), Steve and his staff were simply not out there making connection

Be fair. Rico "Raw Dog" HInes was making very personal connections every chance he got.

 

[beast of the east]

Surprising thing for me is he got much less grief on the boards than did Harrison while they were here. Harrison labeled a "punk" more times than I can recall when in fact Jordan was actually a bad guy and for the most part escaped the same wrath.

Jordan got less flak because his issues were always covered up. It was "rumored" that he wasn't at practice, or back in philly. But the company line was he was grieving or had a sick relative.

Harrison was treated differently. He was benched for rolling his eyes or yelling at a ref.

It's pretty disgusting to somehow pin this on Lavin. I really don't care to repeat the things I've heard about some former players in our program that are held up by most of us as real contributors, but some of it rises to criminal. What's clear is that Jordan chose not to become a college student, and never gave up his questionable associations in Philly.

Harrison didn't get suspended for screaming at refs. The final straw was cursing out coaches loudly in ear shot of fans seated courtside while Lavin was away at his father's funeral. Do that at your job and see what happens. Lavin gave Harrison a summer to work on himself and come back with a different attitude. He did, and as such was a Lavin success story. Harrison did the work for sure, but nearly any D1 coach of a major program would have tossed Harrison immediately.

Anyone here who said he shouldn't have been recruited is a gigantic hypocrite. After seeing him here for 2 seasons, just about everyone wanted him back for a third, and projected him as the leader of the team who would have a breakout season.

Bottom line, Jordan is responsible for Jordan, and chose a path to self destruction. He's extremely fortunate he didn't kill his victim, or his prison time would be much more severe. Still plenty of time to turn his life around. It's up to him though.

So Harrison was a success story and therefore Lavin gets credit; Jordan a disaster so that is all on Jordan? And you call others who might have a difference of opinion than yours giant hypocrites?

Harrison credits Lavin, but you can't? Really foolish. Again.

Of course Jordan is all on Jordan, unless the SJU curriculum calls for armed robbery.

Does a cardiac surgeon not get credit for a successful operation? or do we blame him when the patient dies? Jordan had to study, respond, make himself a college student, and tell his local friends to stay home. He failed to do everything he should have.

Beast I had no problem with Lavin going after Jordan(and CO, and ADR, and Thomas, and....). My problem is that they were all big question marks who he went after because he had no other viable options.

And he had no other viable options because he was lazy. Instead of attending high school tournaments and getting on the recruiting grind like our current staff, he chased the scraps with baggage. You know, the kids that other coaches knew would either not qualify or not conform.

I honestly get how people on here still defend Lavin as a person. I don't agree with much of it, but I get it. I even get(sort of) how they defend him as a game coach. What I truly don't get is how people defended, and still defend, his work ethic. You know, the ones that excused the staff's absences at local high school and AAU games, etc. Anyone who cannot see the difference in work ethic between Chris's staff and Lavin's staff has to be either completely blinded by loyalty, or just plain blind.

There are only a couple of people here who really would have a clue as to how hard he really worked. Since you hit a lot of hs games, you would be one and so would one other person on here. The rest is speculation, and even those in the know don't know how many phone calls he made or what his method of recruiting is to reel in a big name. All I know is that the results weren't good enough to warrant continued employment. Even then, unless you are a recruiter yourself or on the SJU staff, you really don't know how Lavin spent his days, even though much has been said about how lazy he is, I really don't know. I haven't seen his cell phone bills and don't know where he or his staff traveled to recruit.

As to whether Lavin is a phony or not, I can't tell. I've met him, and I am pretty sure the disconnect for me is that he is a California guy and in my experience there is a continental divide in how NYers and Californians communicate.

Beast, you didn't have to attend HS games to know Lavin wasn't there. Twitter alone can keep one informed about which coaches are at which tournaments or games. I will give you the fact that we don't know his phone call records. But let's be honest, outside of Tony Childs (here and there), Steve and his staff were simply not out there making connection and watching HS prospects play.

So what you are saying is you can piece together Lavin and staffs total recruiting effort and travel schedule simply via Twitter? Do you think that attending all tournaments gives you an inside track, or do you get more mileage out of targeting certain players and going after them? To me, only one thing matters, and that is building a winning roster. Clearly Lavin failed there, but I would venture there are a lot of different ways to sell, and a lot of successful salespeople do it by targeting winnable prospects, not simply by going after everything.

This isn't a defense of Lavin, but I would say not many of us know a damned thing about how to recruit,

 

[logen]

Surprising thing for me is he got much less grief on the boards than did Harrison while they were here. Harrison labeled a "punk" more times than I can recall when in fact Jordan was actually a bad guy and for the most part escaped the same wrath.

Jordan got less flak because his issues were always covered up. It was "rumored" that he wasn't at practice, or back in philly. But the company line was he was grieving or had a sick relative.

Harrison was treated differently. He was benched for rolling his eyes or yelling at a ref.

It's pretty disgusting to somehow pin this on Lavin. I really don't care to repeat the things I've heard about some former players in our program that are held up by most of us as real contributors, but some of it rises to criminal. What's clear is that Jordan chose not to become a college student, and never gave up his questionable associations in Philly.

Harrison didn't get suspended for screaming at refs. The final straw was cursing out coaches loudly in ear shot of fans seated courtside while Lavin was away at his father's funeral. Do that at your job and see what happens. Lavin gave Harrison a summer to work on himself and come back with a different attitude. He did, and as such was a Lavin success story. Harrison did the work for sure, but nearly any D1 coach of a major program would have tossed Harrison immediately.

Anyone here who said he shouldn't have been recruited is a gigantic hypocrite. After seeing him here for 2 seasons, just about everyone wanted him back for a third, and projected him as the leader of the team who would have a breakout season.

Bottom line, Jordan is responsible for Jordan, and chose a path to self destruction. He's extremely fortunate he didn't kill his victim, or his prison time would be much more severe. Still plenty of time to turn his life around. It's up to him though.

So Harrison was a success story and therefore Lavin gets credit; Jordan a disaster so that is all on Jordan? And you call others who might have a difference of opinion than yours giant hypocrites?

Harrison credits Lavin, but you can't? Really foolish. Again.

Of course Jordan is all on Jordan, unless the SJU curriculum calls for armed robbery.

Does a cardiac surgeon not get credit for a successful operation? or do we blame him when the patient dies? Jordan had to study, respond, make himself a college student, and tell his local friends to stay home. He failed to do everything he should have.

Beast I had no problem with Lavin going after Jordan(and CO, and ADR, and Thomas, and....). My problem is that they were all big question marks who he went after because he had no other viable options.

And he had no other viable options because he was lazy. Instead of attending high school tournaments and getting on the recruiting grind like our current staff, he chased the scraps with baggage. You know, the kids that other coaches knew would either not qualify or not conform.

I honestly get how people on here still defend Lavin as a person. I don't agree with much of it, but I get it. I even get(sort of) how they defend him as a game coach. What I truly don't get is how people defended, and still defend, his work ethic. You know, the ones that excused the staff's absences at local high school and AAU games, etc. Anyone who cannot see the difference in work ethic between Chris's staff and Lavin's staff has to be either completely blinded by loyalty, or just plain blind.

There are only a couple of people here who really would have a clue as to how hard he really worked. Since you hit a lot of hs games, you would be one and so would one other person on here. The rest is speculation, and even those in the know don't know how many phone calls he made or what his method of recruiting is to reel in a big name. All I know is that the results weren't good enough to warrant continued employment. Even then, unless you are a recruiter yourself or on the SJU staff, you really don't know how Lavin spent his days, even though much has been said about how lazy he is, I really don't know. I haven't seen his cell phone bills and don't know where he or his staff traveled to recruit.

As to whether Lavin is a phony or not, I can't tell. I've met him, and I am pretty sure the disconnect for me is that he is a California guy and in my experience there is a continental divide in how NYers and Californians communicate.

Beast, you didn't have to attend HS games to know Lavin wasn't there. Twitter alone can keep one informed about which coaches are at which tournaments or games. I will give you the fact that we don't know his phone call records. But let's be honest, outside of Tony Childs (here and there), Steve and his staff were simply not out there making connection and watching HS prospects play.

So what you are saying is you can piece together Lavin and staffs total recruiting effort and travel schedule simply via Twitter? Do you think that attending all tournaments gives you an inside track, or do you get more mileage out of targeting certain players and going after them? To me, only one thing matters, and that is building a winning roster. Clearly Lavin failed there, but I would venture there are a lot of different ways to sell, and a lot of successful salespeople do it by targeting winnable prospects, not simply by going after everything.

This isn't a defense of Lavin, but I would say not many of us know a damned thing about how to recruit,

As many don't know a damn thing about coaching but that doesn't keep you from criticizing Mullin; Lavin was lazy, everyone knows that except his self appointed defense attorney.

 

[beast of the east]

Surprising thing for me is he got much less grief on the boards than did Harrison while they were here. Harrison labeled a "punk" more times than I can recall when in fact Jordan was actually a bad guy and for the most part escaped the same wrath.

Jordan got less flak because his issues were always covered up. It was "rumored" that he wasn't at practice, or back in philly. But the company line was he was grieving or had a sick relative.

Harrison was treated differently. He was benched for rolling his eyes or yelling at a ref.

It's pretty disgusting to somehow pin this on Lavin. I really don't care to repeat the things I've heard about some former players in our program that are held up by most of us as real contributors, but some of it rises to criminal. What's clear is that Jordan chose not to become a college student, and never gave up his questionable associations in Philly.

Harrison didn't get suspended for screaming at refs. The final straw was cursing out coaches loudly in ear shot of fans seated courtside while Lavin was away at his father's funeral. Do that at your job and see what happens. Lavin gave Harrison a summer to work on himself and come back with a different attitude. He did, and as such was a Lavin success story. Harrison did the work for sure, but nearly any D1 coach of a major program would have tossed Harrison immediately.

Anyone here who said he shouldn't have been recruited is a gigantic hypocrite. After seeing him here for 2 seasons, just about everyone wanted him back for a third, and projected him as the leader of the team who would have a breakout season.

Bottom line, Jordan is responsible for Jordan, and chose a path to self destruction. He's extremely fortunate he didn't kill his victim, or his prison time would be much more severe. Still plenty of time to turn his life around. It's up to him though.

So Harrison was a success story and therefore Lavin gets credit; Jordan a disaster so that is all on Jordan? And you call others who might have a difference of opinion than yours giant hypocrites?

Harrison credits Lavin, but you can't? Really foolish. Again.

Of course Jordan is all on Jordan, unless the SJU curriculum calls for armed robbery.

Does a cardiac surgeon not get credit for a successful operation? or do we blame him when the patient dies? Jordan had to study, respond, make himself a college student, and tell his local friends to stay home. He failed to do everything he should have.

Beast I had no problem with Lavin going after Jordan(and CO, and ADR, and Thomas, and....). My problem is that they were all big question marks who he went after because he had no other viable options.

And he had no other viable options because he was lazy. Instead of attending high school tournaments and getting on the recruiting grind like our current staff, he chased the scraps with baggage. You know, the kids that other coaches knew would either not qualify or not conform.

I honestly get how people on here still defend Lavin as a person. I don't agree with much of it, but I get it. I even get(sort of) how they defend him as a game coach. What I truly don't get is how people defended, and still defend, his work ethic. You know, the ones that excused the staff's absences at local high school and AAU games, etc. Anyone who cannot see the difference in work ethic between Chris's staff and Lavin's staff has to be either completely blinded by loyalty, or just plain blind.

There are only a couple of people here who really would have a clue as to how hard he really worked. Since you hit a lot of hs games, you would be one and so would one other person on here. The rest is speculation, and even those in the know don't know how many phone calls he made or what his method of recruiting is to reel in a big name. All I know is that the results weren't good enough to warrant continued employment. Even then, unless you are a recruiter yourself or on the SJU staff, you really don't know how Lavin spent his days, even though much has been said about how lazy he is, I really don't know. I haven't seen his cell phone bills and don't know where he or his staff traveled to recruit.

As to whether Lavin is a phony or not, I can't tell. I've met him, and I am pretty sure the disconnect for me is that he is a California guy and in my experience there is a continental divide in how NYers and Californians communicate.

Beast, you didn't have to attend HS games to know Lavin wasn't there. Twitter alone can keep one informed about which coaches are at which tournaments or games. I will give you the fact that we don't know his phone call records. But let's be honest, outside of Tony Childs (here and there), Steve and his staff were simply not out there making connection and watching HS prospects play.

So what you are saying is you can piece together Lavin and staffs total recruiting effort and travel schedule simply via Twitter? Do you think that attending all tournaments gives you an inside track, or do you get more mileage out of targeting certain players and going after them? To me, only one thing matters, and that is building a winning roster. Clearly Lavin failed there, but I would venture there are a lot of different ways to sell, and a lot of successful salespeople do it by targeting winnable prospects, not simply by going after everything.

This isn't a defense of Lavin, but I would say not many of us know a damned thing about how to recruit,

As many don't know a damn thing about coaching but that doesn't keep you from criticizing Mullin; Lavin was lazy, everyone knows that except his self appointed defense attorney.

I do know that coaches talk to players during games, run timeouts or at least are oresent in the huddle.

I am saying that as someone who doesnt attend games or plugged into the campus, you dont have a clue.

I havent defended Lavin - there is a lot to criticize about him, and he should have gotten fired. Im saying you have zero clue as to how hard he worked except based on people here calling him lazy. I know a lot of people in campus and one thing they say was Lavin wasnt around much. The other thing they say is that he was around more than Mullin. You of course couldnt find that out from your 9 inch b&w set

 

[Jack Williams]

Beast come on.


Saying he wasn't lazy his last couple of years is an insult to all of us. Who went through two straight recruiting seasons watching us barely get mentioned with anybody, and when we were the interest the was for the most part minimal.

and with that said multiple people in the know says he's nowhere to be found at high school games. Connect the dots. He wasn't working hard and it showed.

 

[redmannorth]

Surprising thing for me is he got much less grief on the boards than did Harrison while they were here. Harrison labeled a "punk" more times than I can recall when in fact Jordan was actually a bad guy and for the most part escaped the same wrath.

Jordan got less flak because his issues were always covered up. It was "rumored" that he wasn't at practice, or back in philly. But the company line was he was grieving or had a sick relative.

Harrison was treated differently. He was benched for rolling his eyes or yelling at a ref.

It's pretty disgusting to somehow pin this on Lavin. I really don't care to repeat the things I've heard about some former players in our program that are held up by most of us as real contributors, but some of it rises to criminal. What's clear is that Jordan chose not to become a college student, and never gave up his questionable associations in Philly.

Harrison didn't get suspended for screaming at refs. The final straw was cursing out coaches loudly in ear shot of fans seated courtside while Lavin was away at his father's funeral. Do that at your job and see what happens. Lavin gave Harrison a summer to work on himself and come back with a different attitude. He did, and as such was a Lavin success story. Harrison did the work for sure, but nearly any D1 coach of a major program would have tossed Harrison immediately.

Anyone here who said he shouldn't have been recruited is a gigantic hypocrite. After seeing him here for 2 seasons, just about everyone wanted him back for a third, and projected him as the leader of the team who would have a breakout season.

Bottom line, Jordan is responsible for Jordan, and chose a path to self destruction. He's extremely fortunate he didn't kill his victim, or his prison time would be much more severe. Still plenty of time to turn his life around. It's up to him though.

So Harrison was a success story and therefore Lavin gets credit; Jordan a disaster so that is all on Jordan? And you call others who might have a difference of opinion than yours giant hypocrites?

Harrison credits Lavin, but you can't? Really foolish. Again.

Of course Jordan is all on Jordan, unless the SJU curriculum calls for armed robbery.

Does a cardiac surgeon not get credit for a successful operation? or do we blame him when the patient dies? Jordan had to study, respond, make himself a college student, and tell his local friends to stay home. He failed to do everything he should have.

Beast I had no problem with Lavin going after Jordan(and CO, and ADR, and Thomas, and....). My problem is that they were all big question marks who he went after because he had no other viable options.

And he had no other viable options because he was lazy. Instead of attending high school tournaments and getting on the recruiting grind like our current staff, he chased the scraps with baggage. You know, the kids that other coaches knew would either not qualify or not conform.

I honestly get how people on here still defend Lavin as a person. I don't agree with much of it, but I get it. I even get(sort of) how they defend him as a game coach. What I truly don't get is how people defended, and still defend, his work ethic. You know, the ones that excused the staff's absences at local high school and AAU games, etc. Anyone who cannot see the difference in work ethic between Chris's staff and Lavin's staff has to be either completely blinded by loyalty, or just plain blind.

There are only a couple of people here who really would have a clue as to how hard he really worked. Since you hit a lot of hs games, you would be one and so would one other person on here. The rest is speculation, and even those in the know don't know how many phone calls he made or what his method of recruiting is to reel in a big name. All I know is that the results weren't good enough to warrant continued employment. Even then, unless you are a recruiter yourself or on the SJU staff, you really don't know how Lavin spent his days, even though much has been said about how lazy he is, I really don't know. I haven't seen his cell phone bills and don't know where he or his staff traveled to recruit.

As to whether Lavin is a phony or not, I can't tell. I've met him, and I am pretty sure the disconnect for me is that he is a California guy and in my experience there is a continental divide in how NYers and Californians communicate.

Beast, you didn't have to attend HS games to know Lavin wasn't there. Twitter alone can keep one informed about which coaches are at which tournaments or games. I will give you the fact that we don't know his phone call records. But let's be honest, outside of Tony Childs (here and there), Steve and his staff were simply not out there making connection and watching HS prospects play.

So what you are saying is you can piece together Lavin and staffs total recruiting effort and travel schedule simply via Twitter? Do you think that attending all tournaments gives you an inside track, or do you get more mileage out of targeting certain players and going after them? To me, only one thing matters, and that is building a winning roster. Clearly Lavin failed there, but I would venture there are a lot of different ways to sell, and a lot of successful salespeople do it by targeting winnable prospects, not simply by going after everything.

This isn't a defense of Lavin, but I would say not many of us know a damned thing about how to recruit,

As many don't know a damn thing about coaching but that doesn't keep you from criticizing Mullin; Lavin was lazy, everyone knows that except his self appointed defense attorney.

I do know that coaches talk to players during games, run timeouts or at least are oresent in the huddle.

I am saying that as someone who doesnt attend games or plugged into the campus, you dont have a clue.

I havent defended Lavin - there is a lot to criticize about him, and he should have gotten fired. Im saying you have zero clue as to how hard he worked except based on people here calling him lazy. I know a lot of people in campus and one thing they say was Lavin wasnt around much. The other thing they say is that he was around more than Mullin. You of course couldnt find that out from your 9 inch b&w set

Beast please do not get personal , no need for that.
Now look at your post where you say he wasn't around campus by your admission , nor was he at games so what the hell was he doing for $1.6 million a year.
We all know what Rico and Tony were doing.

 

[monte]

Surprising thing for me is he got much less grief on the boards than did Harrison while they were here. Harrison labeled a "punk" more times than I can recall when in fact Jordan was actually a bad guy and for the most part escaped the same wrath.

Jordan got less flak because his issues were always covered up. It was "rumored" that he wasn't at practice, or back in philly. But the company line was he was grieving or had a sick relative.

Harrison was treated differently. He was benched for rolling his eyes or yelling at a ref.

It's pretty disgusting to somehow pin this on Lavin. I really don't care to repeat the things I've heard about some former players in our program that are held up by most of us as real contributors, but some of it rises to criminal. What's clear is that Jordan chose not to become a college student, and never gave up his questionable associations in Philly.

Harrison didn't get suspended for screaming at refs. The final straw was cursing out coaches loudly in ear shot of fans seated courtside while Lavin was away at his father's funeral. Do that at your job and see what happens. Lavin gave Harrison a summer to work on himself and come back with a different attitude. He did, and as such was a Lavin success story. Harrison did the work for sure, but nearly any D1 coach of a major program would have tossed Harrison immediately.

Anyone here who said he shouldn't have been recruited is a gigantic hypocrite. After seeing him here for 2 seasons, just about everyone wanted him back for a third, and projected him as the leader of the team who would have a breakout season.

Bottom line, Jordan is responsible for Jordan, and chose a path to self destruction. He's extremely fortunate he didn't kill his victim, or his prison time would be much more severe. Still plenty of time to turn his life around. It's up to him though.

So Harrison was a success story and therefore Lavin gets credit; Jordan a disaster so that is all on Jordan? And you call others who might have a difference of opinion than yours giant hypocrites?

Harrison credits Lavin, but you can't? Really foolish. Again.

Of course Jordan is all on Jordan, unless the SJU curriculum calls for armed robbery.

Does a cardiac surgeon not get credit for a successful operation? or do we blame him when the patient dies? Jordan had to study, respond, make himself a college student, and tell his local friends to stay home. He failed to do everything he should have.

Beast I had no problem with Lavin going after Jordan(and CO, and ADR, and Thomas, and....). My problem is that they were all big question marks who he went after because he had no other viable options.

And he had no other viable options because he was lazy. Instead of attending high school tournaments and getting on the recruiting grind like our current staff, he chased the scraps with baggage. You know, the kids that other coaches knew would either not qualify or not conform.

I honestly get how people on here still defend Lavin as a person. I don't agree with much of it, but I get it. I even get(sort of) how they defend him as a game coach. What I truly don't get is how people defended, and still defend, his work ethic. You know, the ones that excused the staff's absences at local high school and AAU games, etc. Anyone who cannot see the difference in work ethic between Chris's staff and Lavin's staff has to be either completely blinded by loyalty, or just plain blind.

There are only a couple of people here who really would have a clue as to how hard he really worked. Since you hit a lot of hs games, you would be one and so would one other person on here. The rest is speculation, and even those in the know don't know how many phone calls he made or what his method of recruiting is to reel in a big name. All I know is that the results weren't good enough to warrant continued employment. Even then, unless you are a recruiter yourself or on the SJU staff, you really don't know how Lavin spent his days, even though much has been said about how lazy he is, I really don't know. I haven't seen his cell phone bills and don't know where he or his staff traveled to recruit.

As to whether Lavin is a phony or not, I can't tell. I've met him, and I am pretty sure the disconnect for me is that he is a California guy and in my experience there is a continental divide in how NYers and Californians communicate.

Beast, you didn't have to attend HS games to know Lavin wasn't there. Twitter alone can keep one informed about which coaches are at which tournaments or games. I will give you the fact that we don't know his phone call records. But let's be honest, outside of Tony Childs (here and there), Steve and his staff were simply not out there making connection and watching HS prospects play.

So what you are saying is you can piece together Lavin and staffs total recruiting effort and travel schedule simply via Twitter? Do you think that attending all tournaments gives you an inside track, or do you get more mileage out of targeting certain players and going after them? To me, only one thing matters, and that is building a winning roster. Clearly Lavin failed there, but I would venture there are a lot of different ways to sell, and a lot of successful salespeople do it by targeting winnable prospects, not simply by going after everything.

This isn't a defense of Lavin, but I would say not many of us know a damned thing about how to recruit,

As many don't know a damn thing about coaching but that doesn't keep you from criticizing Mullin; Lavin was lazy, everyone knows that except his self appointed defense attorney.

I do know that coaches talk to players during games, run timeouts or at least are oresent in the huddle.

I am saying that as someone who doesnt attend games or plugged into the campus, you dont have a clue.

I havent defended Lavin - there is a lot to criticize about him, and he should have gotten fired. Im saying you have zero clue as to how hard he worked except based on people here calling him lazy. I know a lot of people in campus and one thing they say was Lavin wasnt around much. The other thing they say is that he was around more than Mullin. You of course couldnt find that out from your 9 inch b&w set

Beast please do not get personal , no need for that.
Now look at your post where you say he wasn't around campus by your admission , nor was he at games so what the hell was he doing for $1.6 million a year.
We all know what Rico and Tony were doing.

I heard a number of years ago that Boeheim was one of the most detached coaches around. Rarely on campus except for practice and games, and even with that just for the bare minimum amount of time. Very little engagement with players outside of basketball. Etc., etc. Maybe you or Otis can shed some more light on that since I know you're both up north. Although it doesn't really matter much as long as you've got a winning program. Lavin was given a reclamation project. He did not have the luxury of being detached. Rarely do you turn around a reclamation project without investing an immense amount of time and energy in it, and by surrounding yourself with the right people. Lavin did neither. Maybe he thought that his charm alone would be enough to restore our program. What he failed to realize is that BS goes a lot further in LA than it does in NYC.

 

[OLV72]

Rysheed Jordan shoots someone and it turns into pages of Lavin sucked posts.

My guess is that we a couple of seasons to go before these run their course.

 

[frank61]

Surprising thing for me is he got much less grief on the boards than did Harrison while they were here. Harrison labeled a "punk" more times than I can recall when in fact Jordan was actually a bad guy and for the most part escaped the same wrath.

Jordan got less flak because his issues were always covered up. It was "rumored" that he wasn't at practice, or back in philly. But the company line was he was grieving or had a sick relative.

Harrison was treated differently. He was benched for rolling his eyes or yelling at a ref.

It's pretty disgusting to somehow pin this on Lavin. I really don't care to repeat the things I've heard about some former players in our program that are held up by most of us as real contributors, but some of it rises to criminal. What's clear is that Jordan chose not to become a college student, and never gave up his questionable associations in Philly.

Harrison didn't get suspended for screaming at refs. The final straw was cursing out coaches loudly in ear shot of fans seated courtside while Lavin was away at his father's funeral. Do that at your job and see what happens. Lavin gave Harrison a summer to work on himself and come back with a different attitude. He did, and as such was a Lavin success story. Harrison did the work for sure, but nearly any D1 coach of a major program would have tossed Harrison immediately.

Anyone here who said he shouldn't have been recruited is a gigantic hypocrite. After seeing him here for 2 seasons, just about everyone wanted him back for a third, and projected him as the leader of the team who would have a breakout season.

Bottom line, Jordan is responsible for Jordan, and chose a path to self destruction. He's extremely fortunate he didn't kill his victim, or his prison time would be much more severe. Still plenty of time to turn his life around. It's up to him though.

So Harrison was a success story and therefore Lavin gets credit; Jordan a disaster so that is all on Jordan? And you call others who might have a difference of opinion than yours giant hypocrites?

Harrison credits Lavin, but you can't? Really foolish. Again.

Of course Jordan is all on Jordan, unless the SJU curriculum calls for armed robbery.

Does a cardiac surgeon not get credit for a successful operation? or do we blame him when the patient dies? Jordan had to study, respond, make himself a college student, and tell his local friends to stay home. He failed to do everything he should have.

Beast I had no problem with Lavin going after Jordan(and CO, and ADR, and Thomas, and....). My problem is that they were all big question marks who he went after because he had no other viable options.

And he had no other viable options because he was lazy. Instead of attending high school tournaments and getting on the recruiting grind like our current staff, he chased the scraps with baggage. You know, the kids that other coaches knew would either not qualify or not conform.

I honestly get how people on here still defend Lavin as a person. I don't agree with much of it, but I get it. I even get(sort of) how they defend him as a game coach. What I truly don't get is how people defended, and still defend, his work ethic. You know, the ones that excused the staff's absences at local high school and AAU games, etc. Anyone who cannot see the difference in work ethic between Chris's staff and Lavin's staff has to be either completely blinded by loyalty, or just plain blind.

There are only a couple of people here who really would have a clue as to how hard he really worked. Since you hit a lot of hs games, you would be one and so would one other person on here. The rest is speculation, and even those in the know don't know how many phone calls he made or what his method of recruiting is to reel in a big name. All I know is that the results weren't good enough to warrant continued employment. Even then, unless you are a recruiter yourself or on the SJU staff, you really don't know how Lavin spent his days, even though much has been said about how lazy he is, I really don't know. I haven't seen his cell phone bills and don't know where he or his staff traveled to recruit.

As to whether Lavin is a phony or not, I can't tell. I've met him, and I am pretty sure the disconnect for me is that he is a California guy and in my experience there is a continental divide in how NYers and Californians communicate.

Beast, you didn't have to attend HS games to know Lavin wasn't there. Twitter alone can keep one informed about which coaches are at which tournaments or games. I will give you the fact that we don't know his phone call records. But let's be honest, outside of Tony Childs (here and there), Steve and his staff were simply not out there making connection and watching HS prospects play.

So what you are saying is you can piece together Lavin and staffs total recruiting effort and travel schedule simply via Twitter? Do you think that attending all tournaments gives you an inside track, or do you get more mileage out of targeting certain players and going after them? To me, only one thing matters, and that is building a winning roster. Clearly Lavin failed there, but I would venture there are a lot of different ways to sell, and a lot of successful salespeople do it by targeting winnable prospects, not simply by going after everything.

This isn't a defense of Lavin, but I would say not many of us know a damned thing about how to recruit,

As many don't know a damn thing about coaching but that doesn't keep you from criticizing Mullin; Lavin was lazy, everyone knows that except his self appointed defense attorney.

I do know that coaches talk to players during games, run timeouts or at least are oresent in the huddle.

I am saying that as someone who doesnt attend games or plugged into the campus, you dont have a clue.

I havent defended Lavin - there is a lot to criticize about him, and he should have gotten fired. Im saying you have zero clue as to how hard he worked except based on people here calling him lazy. I know a lot of people in campus and one thing they say was Lavin wasnt around much. The other thing they say is that he was around more than Mullin. You of course couldnt find that out from your 9 inch b&w set

Beast please do not get personal , no need for that.
Now look at your post where you say he wasn't around campus by your admission , nor was he at games so what the hell was he doing for $1.6 million a year.
We all know what Rico and Tony were doing.

I heard a number of years ago that Boeheim was one of the most detached coaches around. Rarely on campus except for practice and games, and even with that just for the bare minimum amount of time. Very little engagement with players outside of basketball. Etc., etc. Maybe you or Otis can shed some more light on that since I know you're both up north. Although it doesn't really matter much as long as you've got a winning program. Lavin was given a reclamation project. He did not have the luxury of being detached. Rarely do you turn around a reclamation project without investing an immense amount of time and energy in it, and by surrounding yourself with the right people. Lavin did neither. Maybe he thought that his charm alone would be enough to restore our program. What he failed to realize is that BS goes a lot further in LA than it does in NYC.

I would say Boeheim is not a social animal. He does his job in a very orderly way. You rarely read or hear much about him except if you see him in public for some charitable event. Whenever you hear about him he has his family around. He does his job quietly and the players love him. He has tremendous loyalty from the players he coached in the past.

 

[redmannorth]

Surprising thing for me is he got much less grief on the boards than did Harrison while they were here. Harrison labeled a "punk" more times than I can recall when in fact Jordan was actually a bad guy and for the most part escaped the same wrath.

Jordan got less flak because his issues were always covered up. It was "rumored" that he wasn't at practice, or back in philly. But the company line was he was grieving or had a sick relative.

Harrison was treated differently. He was benched for rolling his eyes or yelling at a ref.

It's pretty disgusting to somehow pin this on Lavin. I really don't care to repeat the things I've heard about some former players in our program that are held up by most of us as real contributors, but some of it rises to criminal. What's clear is that Jordan chose not to become a college student, and never gave up his questionable associations in Philly.

Harrison didn't get suspended for screaming at refs. The final straw was cursing out coaches loudly in ear shot of fans seated courtside while Lavin was away at his father's funeral. Do that at your job and see what happens. Lavin gave Harrison a summer to work on himself and come back with a different attitude. He did, and as such was a Lavin success story. Harrison did the work for sure, but nearly any D1 coach of a major program would have tossed Harrison immediately.

Anyone here who said he shouldn't have been recruited is a gigantic hypocrite. After seeing him here for 2 seasons, just about everyone wanted him back for a third, and projected him as the leader of the team who would have a breakout season.

Bottom line, Jordan is responsible for Jordan, and chose a path to self destruction. He's extremely fortunate he didn't kill his victim, or his prison time would be much more severe. Still plenty of time to turn his life around. It's up to him though.

So Harrison was a success story and therefore Lavin gets credit; Jordan a disaster so that is all on Jordan? And you call others who might have a difference of opinion than yours giant hypocrites?

Harrison credits Lavin, but you can't? Really foolish. Again.

Of course Jordan is all on Jordan, unless the SJU curriculum calls for armed robbery.

Does a cardiac surgeon not get credit for a successful operation? or do we blame him when the patient dies? Jordan had to study, respond, make himself a college student, and tell his local friends to stay home. He failed to do everything he should have.

Beast I had no problem with Lavin going after Jordan(and CO, and ADR, and Thomas, and....). My problem is that they were all big question marks who he went after because he had no other viable options.

And he had no other viable options because he was lazy. Instead of attending high school tournaments and getting on the recruiting grind like our current staff, he chased the scraps with baggage. You know, the kids that other coaches knew would either not qualify or not conform.

I honestly get how people on here still defend Lavin as a person. I don't agree with much of it, but I get it. I even get(sort of) how they defend him as a game coach. What I truly don't get is how people defended, and still defend, his work ethic. You know, the ones that excused the staff's absences at local high school and AAU games, etc. Anyone who cannot see the difference in work ethic between Chris's staff and Lavin's staff has to be either completely blinded by loyalty, or just plain blind.

There are only a couple of people here who really would have a clue as to how hard he really worked. Since you hit a lot of hs games, you would be one and so would one other person on here. The rest is speculation, and even those in the know don't know how many phone calls he made or what his method of recruiting is to reel in a big name. All I know is that the results weren't good enough to warrant continued employment. Even then, unless you are a recruiter yourself or on the SJU staff, you really don't know how Lavin spent his days, even though much has been said about how lazy he is, I really don't know. I haven't seen his cell phone bills and don't know where he or his staff traveled to recruit.

As to whether Lavin is a phony or not, I can't tell. I've met him, and I am pretty sure the disconnect for me is that he is a California guy and in my experience there is a continental divide in how NYers and Californians communicate.

Beast, you didn't have to attend HS games to know Lavin wasn't there. Twitter alone can keep one informed about which coaches are at which tournaments or games. I will give you the fact that we don't know his phone call records. But let's be honest, outside of Tony Childs (here and there), Steve and his staff were simply not out there making connection and watching HS prospects play.

So what you are saying is you can piece together Lavin and staffs total recruiting effort and travel schedule simply via Twitter? Do you think that attending all tournaments gives you an inside track, or do you get more mileage out of targeting certain players and going after them? To me, only one thing matters, and that is building a winning roster. Clearly Lavin failed there, but I would venture there are a lot of different ways to sell, and a lot of successful salespeople do it by targeting winnable prospects, not simply by going after everything.

This isn't a defense of Lavin, but I would say not many of us know a damned thing about how to recruit,

As many don't know a damn thing about coaching but that doesn't keep you from criticizing Mullin; Lavin was lazy, everyone knows that except his self appointed defense attorney.

I do know that coaches talk to players during games, run timeouts or at least are oresent in the huddle.

I am saying that as someone who doesnt attend games or plugged into the campus, you dont have a clue.

I havent defended Lavin - there is a lot to criticize about him, and he should have gotten fired. Im saying you have zero clue as to how hard he worked except based on people here calling him lazy. I know a lot of people in campus and one thing they say was Lavin wasnt around much. The other thing they say is that he was around more than Mullin. You of course couldnt find that out from your 9 inch b&w set

Beast please do not get personal , no need for that.
Now look at your post where you say he wasn't around campus by your admission , nor was he at games so what the hell was he doing for $1.6 million a year.
We all know what Rico and Tony were doing.

I heard a number of years ago that Boeheim was one of the most detached coaches around. Rarely on campus except for practice and games, and even with that just for the bare minimum amount of time. Very little engagement with players outside of basketball. Etc., etc. Maybe you or Otis can shed some more light on that since I know you're both up north. Although it doesn't really matter much as long as you've got a winning program. Lavin was given a reclamation project. He did not have the luxury of being detached. Rarely do you turn around a reclamation project without investing an immense amount of time and energy in it, and by surrounding yourself with the right people. Lavin did neither. Maybe he thought that his charm alone would be enough to restore our program. What he failed to realize is that BS goes a lot further in LA than it does in NYC.

Only had one experience with Boeheim and that was last summer when he were both in Springfield Mass at a tournament my son was playing in.
He was aloof and stood alone but talked to Leo Rautins as he was there to watch CIA Bounce play. The short answer is he talked to whom he needed to talk to for the purpose of sustaining his great program.

 

[Section9]

Rysheed Jordan shoots someone and it turns into pages of Lavin sucked posts.

My guess is that we a couple of seasons to go before these run their course.

If you're lucky, just look at the Norm/Jarvis hijackings that regularly take place. B)

 

[fun]

I would say Boeheim is not a social animal.

That was the old Boeheim.

 

[bamafan]

Jim Boeheim can spend less time on campus, the cuse draws 20,000 to 30,000 per game. We have drawn flies for more than a decade and whoever the hell our coach is he should spend some time trying to cultivate a fan base especially among the students. Some personal contact and appeal can draw some casual and minimally interested fans to come to a game or two and they may find they like it. As much as a jerk as he is a guy like Bruce Pearl would do that.

 

[JohnnyFan]

Surprising thing for me is he got much less grief on the boards than did Harrison while they were here. Harrison labeled a "punk" more times than I can recall when in fact Jordan was actually a bad guy and for the most part escaped the same wrath.

Jordan got less flak because his issues were always covered up. It was "rumored" that he wasn't at practice, or back in philly. But the company line was he was grieving or had a sick relative.

Harrison was treated differently. He was benched for rolling his eyes or yelling at a ref.

It's pretty disgusting to somehow pin this on Lavin. I really don't care to repeat the things I've heard about some former players in our program that are held up by most of us as real contributors, but some of it rises to criminal. What's clear is that Jordan chose not to become a college student, and never gave up his questionable associations in Philly.

Harrison didn't get suspended for screaming at refs. The final straw was cursing out coaches loudly in ear shot of fans seated courtside while Lavin was away at his father's funeral. Do that at your job and see what happens. Lavin gave Harrison a summer to work on himself and come back with a different attitude. He did, and as such was a Lavin success story. Harrison did the work for sure, but nearly any D1 coach of a major program would have tossed Harrison immediately.

Anyone here who said he shouldn't have been recruited is a gigantic hypocrite. After seeing him here for 2 seasons, just about everyone wanted him back for a third, and projected him as the leader of the team who would have a breakout season.

Bottom line, Jordan is responsible for Jordan, and chose a path to self destruction. He's extremely fortunate he didn't kill his victim, or his prison time would be much more severe. Still plenty of time to turn his life around. It's up to him though.

So Harrison was a success story and therefore Lavin gets credit; Jordan a disaster so that is all on Jordan? And you call others who might have a difference of opinion than yours giant hypocrites?

Harrison credits Lavin, but you can't? Really foolish. Again.

Of course Jordan is all on Jordan, unless the SJU curriculum calls for armed robbery.

Does a cardiac surgeon not get credit for a successful operation? or do we blame him when the patient dies? Jordan had to study, respond, make himself a college student, and tell his local friends to stay home. He failed to do everything he should have.

Beast I had no problem with Lavin going after Jordan(and CO, and ADR, and Thomas, and....). My problem is that they were all big question marks who he went after because he had no other viable options.

And he had no other viable options because he was lazy. Instead of attending high school tournaments and getting on the recruiting grind like our current staff, he chased the scraps with baggage. You know, the kids that other coaches knew would either not qualify or not conform.

I honestly get how people on here still defend Lavin as a person. I don't agree with much of it, but I get it. I even get(sort of) how they defend him as a game coach. What I truly don't get is how people defended, and still defend, his work ethic. You know, the ones that excused the staff's absences at local high school and AAU games, etc. Anyone who cannot see the difference in work ethic between Chris's staff and Lavin's staff has to be either completely blinded by loyalty, or just plain blind.

There are only a couple of people here who really would have a clue as to how hard he really worked. Since you hit a lot of hs games, you would be one and so would one other person on here. The rest is speculation, and even those in the know don't know how many phone calls he made or what his method of recruiting is to reel in a big name. All I know is that the results weren't good enough to warrant continued employment. Even then, unless you are a recruiter yourself or on the SJU staff, you really don't know how Lavin spent his days, even though much has been said about how lazy he is, I really don't know. I haven't seen his cell phone bills and don't know where he or his staff traveled to recruit.

As to whether Lavin is a phony or not, I can't tell. I've met him, and I am pretty sure the disconnect for me is that he is a California guy and in my experience there is a continental divide in how NYers and Californians communicate.

Beast, you didn't have to attend HS games to know Lavin wasn't there. Twitter alone can keep one informed about which coaches are at which tournaments or games. I will give you the fact that we don't know his phone call records. But let's be honest, outside of Tony Childs (here and there), Steve and his staff were simply not out there making connection and watching HS prospects play.

So what you are saying is you can piece together Lavin and staffs total recruiting effort and travel schedule simply via Twitter? Do you think that attending all tournaments gives you an inside track, or do you get more mileage out of targeting certain players and going after them? To me, only one thing matters, and that is building a winning roster. Clearly Lavin failed there, but I would venture there are a lot of different ways to sell, and a lot of successful salespeople do it by targeting winnable prospects, not simply by going after everything.

This isn't a defense of Lavin, but I would say not many of us know a damned thing about how to recruit,

For someone who often claims not to be defending Lavin, you sure do defend Lavin often.

 

[guinness77]

This thread makes me sad because...hmmm, let me think.

I really can't stand multi-quote. Unreadable thread.

 

[Storm Tracker]

Rysheed (or his minions) started a Go Fund Me account, presumably to pay for his impending legal bills:



goal is 75k, 0 donations thus far... I find it as amusing as i do disgusting

 

[monte]

Rysheed (or his minions) started a Go Fund Me account, presumably to pay for his impending legal bills:



goal is 75k, 0 donations thus far... I find it as amusing as i do disgusting

It's horribly sad, is what it is. Kid is so messed up and it doesn't seem as though there's a bottom in site. I wonder if there's a substance abuse problem also? It certainly wouldn't surprise me. As least that might explain some of the seemingly irrational behavior with the robbery and the chase. And maybe, just maybe, if he deals with that then he can get his life back on track before it's to late.

 

[redmannorth]

Rysheed (or his minions) started a Go Fund Me account, presumably to pay for his impending legal bills:



goal is 75k, 0 donations thus far... I find it as amusing as i do disgusting

It's horribly sad, is what it is. Kid is so messed up and it doesn't seem as though there's a bottom in site. I wonder if there's a substance abuse problem also? It certainly wouldn't surprise me. As least that might explain some of the seemingly irrational behavior with the robbery and the chase. And maybe, just maybe, if he deals with that then he can get his life back on track before it's to late.

It is so sad but not overly surprising when you think about it. His entire life he was surrounded by people whom I imagine told him he would make millions playing ball. When he dropped out of school in spring 2015 he probably still believed the same. After getting cut from the DLeague a terrible reality must have started to sink in. Was working at Burger King ever an option for him ?
Tragic the society we live in.