Rysheed Jordan

[Red.Fans]

I guess in N. Philly "Rasheeb Jordan" is an effective alias to "Rysheed Jordan" ?

 

[bamafan]

This may lend more clarity to this fiasco;

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_top/381625551.html

And if the cops shot him while he was pulling his gun out to toss because they thought he was pulling it out to fire it the blame the cops crowd would be out in full force and family and friends would be saying he was just starting to turn his life around and was going back to school or play ball. Sounds more like a common street thug that just happened to play a couple of years of college BB.

 

[Section9]

I guess in N. Philly "Rasheeb Jordan" is an effective alias to "Rysheed Jordan" ?

Or maybe the person booking him was either hard of hearing or had bad typing skills.

 

[monte]

I guess in N. Philly "Rasheeb Jordan" is an effective alias to "Rysheed Jordan" ?

I can almost hear the dialogue now "no, no, no officer, you got it all wrong. I'm not Rysheed Jordan, the 6'4" former all city basketball player, I'm Rasheeb Jordan". This kid had better get his life straighten out, because it's pretty obvious he doesn't possess the skill sets to make it as a criminal.

 

[monte]

Surprising thing for me is he got much less grief on the boards than did Harrison while they were here. Harrison labeled a "punk" more times than I can recall when in fact Jordan was actually a bad guy and for the most part escaped the same wrath.

Jordan got less flak because his issues were always covered up. It was "rumored" that he wasn't at practice, or back in philly. But the company line was he was grieving or had a sick relative.

Harrison was treated differently. He was benched for rolling his eyes or yelling at a ref.

It's pretty disgusting to somehow pin this on Lavin. I really don't care to repeat the things I've heard about some former players in our program that are held up by most of us as real contributors, but some of it rises to criminal. What's clear is that Jordan chose not to become a college student, and never gave up his questionable associations in Philly.

Harrison didn't get suspended for screaming at refs. The final straw was cursing out coaches loudly in ear shot of fans seated courtside while Lavin was away at his father's funeral. Do that at your job and see what happens. Lavin gave Harrison a summer to work on himself and come back with a different attitude. He did, and as such was a Lavin success story. Harrison did the work for sure, but nearly any D1 coach of a major program would have tossed Harrison immediately.

Anyone here who said he shouldn't have been recruited is a gigantic hypocrite. After seeing him here for 2 seasons, just about everyone wanted him back for a third, and projected him as the leader of the team who would have a breakout season.

Bottom line, Jordan is responsible for Jordan, and chose a path to self destruction. He's extremely fortunate he didn't kill his victim, or his prison time would be much more severe. Still plenty of time to turn his life around. It's up to him though.

So Harrison was a success story and therefore Lavin gets credit; Jordan a disaster so that is all on Jordan? And you call others who might have a difference of opinion than yours giant hypocrites?

Harrison credits Lavin, but you can't? Really foolish. Again.

Of course Jordan is all on Jordan, unless the SJU curriculum calls for armed robbery.

Does a cardiac surgeon not get credit for a successful operation? or do we blame him when the patient dies? Jordan had to study, respond, make himself a college student, and tell his local friends to stay home. He failed to do everything he should have.

Beast I had no problem with Lavin going after Jordan(and CO, and ADR, and Thomas, and....). My problem is that they were all big question marks who he went after because he had no other viable options. And, at least in Jordan's case, he was forced to keep him here on Jordan's terms because he was Lavin's only shot of making the tourney and potentially saving Lavin's job. I do not blame Lavin for Rysheed's actions, however I do blame Lavin for the roster mess he created which resulted in the fiascos with all of the aforementioned players. On a somewhat separate note, many here were critical of the idea of bringing on Rawle because of perceived character concerns. The reason we were all able to even debate the issue is because Mullin and Co have recruited such a well-balanced and talented roster, that Rawle was not a "must get", as it seems many of Lavin's recruits were. And I will say one more thing, Rawle did not have 1/1,000 of the character concerns coming out of CTK as Rysheed did coming out of high school. The fact that we can be so cavalier about a kid like Rawle is telling about the current state of our program and the promising future under the new regime.

All reasonable points. I'd also mention though, that SJU wasn't/isn't at the top of virtually any prized recruit's list. You have to build a winning tradition for that to happen. Lavin recruited much higher than NR, and don't tell me it was because he wasn't discerning and NR was, because Norm went hard after Stephenson even with a criminal charge. If you have an elite program - Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, even VIllanova, or a respected school like Georgetown you pretty much have your pick or are near the top of any recruit's list. SJU is SJU - a once very good tradition that was a horrible program for almost 10 years.

You guys hate Lavin, but at least Mullin could say that both Sampson and Harkness were recently at SJU and were in the NBA. Lavin began by saying Artest is in the NBA - and played at SJU around 2000. Big difference.

Jordan had no criminal record when he was recruited, correct? Lots of respectable college players come from his background and assimilate just fine. Jordan is not NBA caliber, and in the end, has nothing to fall back on - nothing. His best hope IMO is to bang around Europe and make a decent living till the carousel stops spinning. Nothing wrong with that.

Everyone used to give Pete Rose all the credit in the world for not being so talented, but working and playing his tail off. Jimmy Connors was the same type of tenacious athlete. I've come to realize that those character traits are just as much talents as the ability to hit a ball 500 feet or a 48 inch vertical. Rysheed has physical , and little else.

Beast why even bring Norm in to this conversation? No one is saying that he recruited better than Lavin or was a better coach. As for hating Lavin, I have my much-expressed opinion of Lavin, but "hate" is certainly not something I feel towards him. As for Jordan, while I'm not any attorney if he did have a criminal record as a minor my guess is that it would be sealed. I have no clue one way or the other as far as a criminal past. Again, I was never against Lavin going after Jordan or any of the other questionable recruits. That is not the issue. The issue is that he had no other viable options when Lindsay hit the road, Jordan went AWOL, CO got suspended, the Thomas transcript issue surfaced, ADR was declared academically ineligible, etc.etc. Very very very poor roster assembling and management. Part of the reason why he is no longer here.

Monte:
I like your choice of words -
"a very very very poor roster assembling and management".
Makes what CM & Co have done & are doing sterling, very very very fine (not perfect of course) roster assembling and management.
Great contrast between the past regime and the present.

Thanks SSG. Agree with you completely. Like any successful organization, you need a solid management team who will then assemble the right talent. Chris and co are creating a very solid foundation, which will no doubt lead to future(hopefully not to distant) success.

 

[L J S A]

I guess he's not as athletic as we all thought if the cops caught him anyway.

And I find it amazing that people with illegal items in their car are stupid enough to blow lights.

Back when I was running guns and human trafficking, I sure as hell made sure I was obeying all laws pertaining to operating a motor vehicle.

 

[1and1sju]

This may lend more clarity to this fiasco;

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_top/381625551.html

And if the cops shot him while he was pulling his gun out to toss because they thought he was pulling it out to fire it the blame the cops crowd would be out in full force and family and friends would be saying he was just starting to turn his life around and was going back to school or play ball. Sounds more like a common street thug that just happened to play a couple of years of college BB.

Generally a crowd blames the cops when they, ya know ... shoot someone who doesn't have a gun.
you'd be hard pressed to find an example of people supporting a suspect who was armed when police found him.

 

[cappy105]

guess the cops were from Nova.....

 

[Sherman Sheridan & Grant]

I guess he's not as athletic as we all thought if the cops caught him anyway.

And I find it amazing that people with illegal items in their car are stupid enough to blow lights.

Back when I was running guns and human trafficking, I sure as hell made sure I was obeying all laws pertaining to operating a motor vehicle.

Including putting money in the parking meter?
:lol:

 

[bamafan]

This may lend more clarity to this fiasco;

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_top/381625551.html

And if the cops shot him while he was pulling his gun out to toss because they thought he was pulling it out to fire it the blame the cops crowd would be out in full force and family and friends would be saying he was just starting to turn his life around and was going back to school or play ball. Sounds more like a common street thug that just happened to play a couple of years of college BB.

Generally a crowd blames the cops when they, ya know ... shoot someone who doesn't have a gun.
you'd be hard pressed to find an example of people supporting a suspect who was armed when police found him.

Plenty of times when suspect was armed and some call for the cop to shoot for the legs or arms even when civilians and cops lives are in danger and which is not proper police procedure.

 

[TX Redman]

What a sad waste of talent. Surrounded himself with the wrong people and made so many bad decisions.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Too bad he wasn't friends with Taser. No doubt Livingston could have stunned some sense into Jordan

 

[JohnnyFan]

Surprising thing for me is he got much less grief on the boards than did Harrison while they were here. Harrison labeled a "punk" more times than I can recall when in fact Jordan was actually a bad guy and for the most part escaped the same wrath.

Jordan got less flak because his issues were always covered up. It was "rumored" that he wasn't at practice, or back in philly. But the company line was he was grieving or had a sick relative.

Harrison was treated differently. He was benched for rolling his eyes or yelling at a ref.

It's pretty disgusting to somehow pin this on Lavin. I really don't care to repeat the things I've heard about some former players in our program that are held up by most of us as real contributors, but some of it rises to criminal. What's clear is that Jordan chose not to become a college student, and never gave up his questionable associations in Philly.

Harrison didn't get suspended for screaming at refs. The final straw was cursing out coaches loudly in ear shot of fans seated courtside while Lavin was away at his father's funeral. Do that at your job and see what happens. Lavin gave Harrison a summer to work on himself and come back with a different attitude. He did, and as such was a Lavin success story. Harrison did the work for sure, but nearly any D1 coach of a major program would have tossed Harrison immediately.

Anyone here who said he shouldn't have been recruited is a gigantic hypocrite. After seeing him here for 2 seasons, just about everyone wanted him back for a third, and projected him as the leader of the team who would have a breakout season.

Bottom line, Jordan is responsible for Jordan, and chose a path to self destruction. He's extremely fortunate he didn't kill his victim, or his prison time would be much more severe. Still plenty of time to turn his life around. It's up to him though.

So Harrison was a success story and therefore Lavin gets credit; Jordan a disaster so that is all on Jordan? And you call others who might have a difference of opinion than yours giant hypocrites?

Harrison credits Lavin, but you can't? Really foolish. Again.

Of course Jordan is all on Jordan, unless the SJU curriculum calls for armed robbery.

Does a cardiac surgeon not get credit for a successful operation? or do we blame him when the patient dies? Jordan had to study, respond, make himself a college student, and tell his local friends to stay home. He failed to do everything he should have.

Beast I had no problem with Lavin going after Jordan(and CO, and ADR, and Thomas, and....). My problem is that they were all big question marks who he went after because he had no other viable options.

And he had no other viable options because he was lazy. Instead of attending high school tournaments and getting on the recruiting grind like our current staff, he chased the scraps with baggage. You know, the kids that other coaches knew would either not qualify or not conform.

 

[monte]

Surprising thing for me is he got much less grief on the boards than did Harrison while they were here. Harrison labeled a "punk" more times than I can recall when in fact Jordan was actually a bad guy and for the most part escaped the same wrath.

Jordan got less flak because his issues were always covered up. It was "rumored" that he wasn't at practice, or back in philly. But the company line was he was grieving or had a sick relative.

Harrison was treated differently. He was benched for rolling his eyes or yelling at a ref.

It's pretty disgusting to somehow pin this on Lavin. I really don't care to repeat the things I've heard about some former players in our program that are held up by most of us as real contributors, but some of it rises to criminal. What's clear is that Jordan chose not to become a college student, and never gave up his questionable associations in Philly.

Harrison didn't get suspended for screaming at refs. The final straw was cursing out coaches loudly in ear shot of fans seated courtside while Lavin was away at his father's funeral. Do that at your job and see what happens. Lavin gave Harrison a summer to work on himself and come back with a different attitude. He did, and as such was a Lavin success story. Harrison did the work for sure, but nearly any D1 coach of a major program would have tossed Harrison immediately.

Anyone here who said he shouldn't have been recruited is a gigantic hypocrite. After seeing him here for 2 seasons, just about everyone wanted him back for a third, and projected him as the leader of the team who would have a breakout season.

Bottom line, Jordan is responsible for Jordan, and chose a path to self destruction. He's extremely fortunate he didn't kill his victim, or his prison time would be much more severe. Still plenty of time to turn his life around. It's up to him though.

So Harrison was a success story and therefore Lavin gets credit; Jordan a disaster so that is all on Jordan? And you call others who might have a difference of opinion than yours giant hypocrites?

Harrison credits Lavin, but you can't? Really foolish. Again.

Of course Jordan is all on Jordan, unless the SJU curriculum calls for armed robbery.

Does a cardiac surgeon not get credit for a successful operation? or do we blame him when the patient dies? Jordan had to study, respond, make himself a college student, and tell his local friends to stay home. He failed to do everything he should have.

Beast I had no problem with Lavin going after Jordan(and CO, and ADR, and Thomas, and....). My problem is that they were all big question marks who he went after because he had no other viable options.

And he had no other viable options because he was lazy. Instead of attending high school tournaments and getting on the recruiting grind like our current staff, he chased the scraps with baggage. You know, the kids that other coaches knew would either not qualify or not conform.

I honestly get how people on here still defend Lavin as a person. I don't agree with much of it, but I get it. I even get(sort of) how they defend him as a game coach. What I truly don't get is how people defended, and still defend, his work ethic. You know, the ones that excused the staff's absences at local high school and AAU games, etc. Anyone who cannot see the difference in work ethic between Chris's staff and Lavin's staff has to be either completely blinded by loyalty, or just plain blind.

 

[rcatalano]

Recruiting this kid was an absolute disaster from start to finish! Now this latest discretion! This kid represents everything I don't want to ever see again wearing a SJU uniform!

 

[doodyny33]

Recruiting this kid was an absolute disaster from start to finish! Now this latest discretion! This kid represents everything I don't want to ever see again wearing a SJU uniform!

There was a reason that only 3 schools (St. John's, UCLA, & Temple) were recruiting the 17th ranked player in the country. The warning signs were there.

 

[paultzman]

Surprising thing for me is he got much less grief on the boards than did Harrison while they were here. Harrison labeled a "punk" more times than I can recall when in fact Jordan was actually a bad guy and for the most part escaped the same wrath.

Jordan got less flak because his issues were always covered up. It was "rumored" that he wasn't at practice, or back in philly. But the company line was he was grieving or had a sick relative.

Harrison was treated differently. He was benched for rolling his eyes or yelling at a ref.

It's pretty disgusting to somehow pin this on Lavin. I really don't care to repeat the things I've heard about some former players in our program that are held up by most of us as real contributors, but some of it rises to criminal. What's clear is that Jordan chose not to become a college student, and never gave up his questionable associations in Philly.

Harrison didn't get suspended for screaming at refs. The final straw was cursing out coaches loudly in ear shot of fans seated courtside while Lavin was away at his father's funeral. Do that at your job and see what happens. Lavin gave Harrison a summer to work on himself and come back with a different attitude. He did, and as such was a Lavin success story. Harrison did the work for sure, but nearly any D1 coach of a major program would have tossed Harrison immediately.

Anyone here who said he shouldn't have been recruited is a gigantic hypocrite. After seeing him here for 2 seasons, just about everyone wanted him back for a third, and projected him as the leader of the team who would have a breakout season.

Bottom line, Jordan is responsible for Jordan, and chose a path to self destruction. He's extremely fortunate he didn't kill his victim, or his prison time would be much more severe. Still plenty of time to turn his life around. It's up to him though.

So Harrison was a success story and therefore Lavin gets credit; Jordan a disaster so that is all on Jordan? And you call others who might have a difference of opinion than yours giant hypocrites?

Harrison credits Lavin, but you can't? Really foolish. Again.

Of course Jordan is all on Jordan, unless the SJU curriculum calls for armed robbery.

Does a cardiac surgeon not get credit for a successful operation? or do we blame him when the patient dies? Jordan had to study, respond, make himself a college student, and tell his local friends to stay home. He failed to do everything he should have.

Beast I had no problem with Lavin going after Jordan(and CO, and ADR, and Thomas, and....). My problem is that they were all big question marks who he went after because he had no other viable options.

And he had no other viable options because he was lazy. Instead of attending high school tournaments and getting on the recruiting grind like our current staff, he chased the scraps with baggage. You know, the kids that other coaches knew would either not qualify or not conform.

I honestly get how people on here still defend Lavin as a person. I don't agree with much of it, but I get it. I even get(sort of) how they defend him as a game coach. What I truly don't get is how people defended, and still defend, his work ethic. You know, the ones that excused the staff's absences at local high school and AAU games, etc. Anyone who cannot see the difference in work ethic between Chris's staff and Lavin's staff has to be either completely blinded by loyalty, or just plain blind.

I happen to agree with your work ethic position, but some guys have had positive experiences with him and will always remain steadfast supporters. I disagree with them and have for a long time felt Lav was a 14 K fake. For me it works to just move on & hope Mullin regime gets results. Revisiting Lavin era so often won't change any opinions on both sides of the equation. "Hollywood" works better for me in the rear view mirror.

 

[Sherman Sheridan & Grant]

Surprising thing for me is he got much less grief on the boards than did Harrison while they were here. Harrison labeled a "punk" more times than I can recall when in fact Jordan was actually a bad guy and for the most part escaped the same wrath.

Jordan got less flak because his issues were always covered up. It was "rumored" that he wasn't at practice, or back in philly. But the company line was he was grieving or had a sick relative.

Harrison was treated differently. He was benched for rolling his eyes or yelling at a ref.

It's pretty disgusting to somehow pin this on Lavin. I really don't care to repeat the things I've heard about some former players in our program that are held up by most of us as real contributors, but some of it rises to criminal. What's clear is that Jordan chose not to become a college student, and never gave up his questionable associations in Philly.

Harrison didn't get suspended for screaming at refs. The final straw was cursing out coaches loudly in ear shot of fans seated courtside while Lavin was away at his father's funeral. Do that at your job and see what happens. Lavin gave Harrison a summer to work on himself and come back with a different attitude. He did, and as such was a Lavin success story. Harrison did the work for sure, but nearly any D1 coach of a major program would have tossed Harrison immediately.

Anyone here who said he shouldn't have been recruited is a gigantic hypocrite. After seeing him here for 2 seasons, just about everyone wanted him back for a third, and projected him as the leader of the team who would have a breakout season.

Bottom line, Jordan is responsible for Jordan, and chose a path to self destruction. He's extremely fortunate he didn't kill his victim, or his prison time would be much more severe. Still plenty of time to turn his life around. It's up to him though.

So Harrison was a success story and therefore Lavin gets credit; Jordan a disaster so that is all on Jordan? And you call others who might have a difference of opinion than yours giant hypocrites?

Harrison credits Lavin, but you can't? Really foolish. Again.

Of course Jordan is all on Jordan, unless the SJU curriculum calls for armed robbery.

Does a cardiac surgeon not get credit for a successful operation? or do we blame him when the patient dies? Jordan had to study, respond, make himself a college student, and tell his local friends to stay home. He failed to do everything he should have.

Beast I had no problem with Lavin going after Jordan(and CO, and ADR, and Thomas, and....). My problem is that they were all big question marks who he went after because he had no other viable options.

And he had no other viable options because he was lazy. Instead of attending high school tournaments and getting on the recruiting grind like our current staff, he chased the scraps with baggage. You know, the kids that other coaches knew would either not qualify or not conform.

My Dear Johnny Fan
I hope CM & Co are putting in the time to honor their commitments...it seems they are.

 

[TobinGrad]

Recruiting this kid was an absolute disaster from start to finish! Now this latest discretion! This kid represents everything I don't want to ever see again wearing a SJU uniform!

There was a reason that only 3 schools (St. John's, UCLA, & Temple) were recruiting the 17th ranked player in the country. The warning signs were there.

His parent, knowing his shady associations should have steered him to UCLA. He wouldn't have had the option of hopping down to Philly when he felt like it and might be on his way to the NBA now as a result.

Not that it would have ultimately made much difference. WIth a guy like him there would inevitably be an offseason criminal incident that would have ended his NBA career prematurely. But maybe he could've gotten a couple of seasons of millionaire salary and helped his family before the downfall. Now his life is over, he attempted to kill a guy he was trying to rob. The moron should rot in jail imo

 

[paultzman]

Another lost opportunity was Jordan turning down a summer stay at John Lucas Camp apparently while he was a Johnny. That says a lot IMO.