Rysheed Jordan

[usguard]

how about how Greene's defense on Cotton, does that count for anything?

If we have to make one defensive stop to win the game. Do you want green defending the opposing teams best guard? Or do you want Rysheed?

On that point, on the play were Greene got torched so early (at the key), I've always wondered why guys guard someone who is quick by playing so far off of them. I always felt that if you go nose to nose, there is no place for the offensive guy to go. When you give him a lot of room, it's a lot easier to shake a defender, just IMO.

Yes but the new rule make it harder to be in someone's .face

 

[Section3]

I agree Jordan should be getting more PT However from what I have seen he has come up against two freshmen PG one from Syracuse and another from DePaul who are superior to him or at least out play him. Is this another case of our over valuing our recruits?

That is the big question. I personally don't think Jordan was over-valued. He has shown several flashes of briliiance-2nd half of the Cuse game for example-where he's just the best PG we've put on the floor in a long time.

But the learning curve is so steep for a freshman and by restricting his minutes, Lavin is not giving him a chance to climb up it. His frustration builds, his confidence erodes, it all becomes a negative loop. I don't think it's too late to get him ramped up, but the heavy minutes need to stay consistent from here on in.

It's def early on jordan but he seems to be a little overvalued because he can't shoot. He has a little nurideen lindsey to his game, and that's not a good thing.

He has good form on his jumpshot and will come around. Not the case with Nuri

 

[Amaseinyourface]

how about how Greene's defense on Cotton, does that count for anything?

If we have to make one defensive stop to win the game. Do you want green defending the opposing teams best guard? Or do you want Rysheed?

On that point, on the play were Greene got torched so early (at the key), I've always wondered why guys guard someone who is quick by playing so far off of them. I always felt that if you go nose to nose, there is no place for the offensive guy to go. When you give him a lot of room, it's a lot easier to shake a defender, just IMO.

Actually, Greene met Cotton as he crossed half court. Gave him too much room to drive, especially since all our guys were behind the foul line on defense. I would not pick him up until he reached the top of the key.

The ball was inbounded underneath the providence basket. The play was following the hooper jump ball so he didnt pick him up as he crossed half court.

And beast to your point, as a player I always thought the same thing, it was easier to get by defenders when they gave me a little space. But on defense I get beat more times when I was right in someones face then opposed to giving them space. I think it really depends on the particular player.

 

[beast of the east]

how about how Greene's defense on Cotton, does that count for anything?

If we have to make one defensive stop to win the game. Do you want green defending the opposing teams best guard? Or do you want Rysheed?

On that point, on the play were Greene got torched so early (at the key), I've always wondered why guys guard someone who is quick by playing so far off of them. I always felt that if you go nose to nose, there is no place for the offensive guy to go. When you give him a lot of room, it's a lot easier to shake a defender, just IMO.

Actually, Greene met Cotton as he crossed half court. Gave him too much room to drive, especially since all our guys were behind the foul line on defense. I would not pick him up until he reached the top of the key.

The ball was inbounded underneath the providence basket. The play was following the hooper jump ball so he didnt pick him up as he crossed half court.

And beast to your point, as a player I always thought the same thing, it was easier to get by defenders when they gave me a little space. But on defense I get beat more times when I was right in someones face then opposed to giving them space. I think it really depends on the particular player.

Hey Mase, thanks for your comments. I think it does depend on the player, but coaches always seem to teach you to back off form someone really quick. As a player I was always quick, and loved it when someone gave me space. On defense I also felt by being in someone's face I could harass them and make it hard for them to put the ball on the floor and definitely to get around me or beat me off the dribble - kind of like cutting off their angles by being in their face. Would be nice to hear from some of the guys on here who coached or played at a high level.

 

[SJU61982]

Per St. John's twitter page:

Congrats to Rysheed Jordan on his first-ever @BIGEASTMBB Rookie of the Week Honor! #SJUBB #BIGEAST @FOXSports1

 

[redfazed]

Per St. John's twitter page:

Congrats to Rysheed Jordan on his first-ever @BIGEASTMBB Rookie of the Week Honor! #SJUBB #BIGEAST @FOXSports1

Excellent news. Jordan/Harrison/Branch lineup key to moving us forward.

 

[Andrew]

Awesome news. Hopefully a few more down the stretch.

 

[MainMan]

Random observation: I don't think I ever saw a bball shot with as much backspin on it as Sheed's.

 

[MainMan]

Random observation II: Sheed likes to go to the hole holding the ball with both hands while Jamal Branch likes the finger roll. Both however like to hang in the air as long as possible before laying it up while descending from their jump.

 

[SJU61982]

Here's the official release:

http://www.bigeast.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/012714aac.html

Here's the second paragraph, which needed some major editing:

St. John's needed victories and got them last week, going 2-0 thanks to contributions from BIG EAST Rookie of Week Rysheed Gordon. The guard helped the Red Storm pick up victories against Seton Hall and Butler.

Don't worry, it's correct under the "Rookie of the Week" listing.

 

[usguard]

how about how Greene's defense on Cotton, does that count for anything?

If we have to make one defensive stop to win the game. Do you want green defending the opposing teams best guard? Or do you want Rysheed?

On that point, on the play were Greene got torched so early (at the key), I've always wondered why guys guard someone who is quick by playing so far off of them. I always felt that if you go nose to nose, there is no place for the offensive guy to go. When you give him a lot of room, it's a lot easier to shake a defender, just IMO.

Actually, Greene met Cotton as he crossed half court. Gave him too much room to drive, especially since all our guys were behind the foul line on defense. I would not pick him up until he reached the top of the key.

The ball was inbounded underneath the providence basket. The play was following the hooper jump ball so he didnt pick him up as he crossed half court.

And beast to your point, as a player I always thought the same thing, it was easier to get by defenders when they gave me a little space. But on defense I get beat more times when I was right in someones face then opposed to giving them space. I think it really depends on the particular player.

That is because when you are up tight reaction time has to be doubled Gifted players that are very quick can do it Also in the past you got away with putting your hands on the offensive player somewhat, today rules are different Depends on the individual how you defend

 

[SJUalum98]

Lavin is going to have to take the cuffs off and allow Sheed to speak to the media.

It will do wonders for his confidence.

Lavin's got the kid gloves on him. Clearly doesn't want him to get too ahead of himself.

 

[beast of the east]

Random observation: I don't think I ever saw a bball shot with as much backspin on it as Sheed's.

Maybe you are too young, but Pete Maravich could bank in a shot from nearly anywhere on the backboard with backspin, forward spin, whatever necessary. He was especially good at kissing glass high on the backboard to make a blocked shot almost impossible unless you got it on release.

 

[beast of the east]

Lavin is going to have to take the cuffs off and allow Sheed to speak to the media.

It will do wonders for his confidence.

Lavin's got the kid gloves on him. Clearly doesn't want him to get too ahead of himself.

Lot of coaches do that. John Thompson was famous for it. It's a good rule, especially in the aftermath of the game - see Seattle Seahawks - and that's from a Stanford honors grad.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

how about how Greene's defense on Cotton, does that count for anything?

If we have to make one defensive stop to win the game. Do you want green defending the opposing teams best guard? Or do you want Rysheed?

On that point, on the play were Greene got torched so early (at the key), I've always wondered why guys guard someone who is quick by playing so far off of them. I always felt that if you go nose to nose, there is no place for the offensive guy to go. When you give him a lot of room, it's a lot easier to shake a defender, just IMO.

Actually, Greene met Cotton as he crossed half court. Gave him too much room to drive, especially since all our guys were behind the foul line on defense. I would not pick him up until he reached the top of the key.

The ball was inbounded underneath the providence basket. The play was following the hooper jump ball so he didnt pick him up as he crossed half court.

And beast to your point, as a player I always thought the same thing, it was easier to get by defenders when they gave me a little space. But on defense I get beat more times when I was right in someones face then opposed to giving them space. I think it really depends on the particular player.

That is because when you are up tight reaction time has to be doubled Gifted players that are very quick can do it Also in the past you got away with putting your hands on the offensive player somewhat, today rules are different Depends on the individual how you defend

Thanks for pointing out that I wasnt a gifted athlete

 

[SJUalum98]

Lavin is going to have to take the cuffs off and allow Sheed to speak to the media.

It will do wonders for his confidence.

Lavin's got the kid gloves on him. Clearly doesn't want him to get too ahead of himself.

Lot of coaches do that. John Thompson was famous for it. It's a good rule, especially in the aftermath of the game - see Seattle Seahawks - and that's from a Stanford honors grad.

John Thompson wasn't around in this day and age of social media.

Lavin said he'd give him more media access after the first semester was over.

Kid had a great game, on the road, in an historic arena.

Now I know he may be afraid of Sheed possibly saying the wrong thing, but he's gotta loosen the reigns a bit IMO.

Sheed has a very large following. Give him a little confidence by putting him in front of the mics.

 

[beast of the east]

Lavin is going to have to take the cuffs off and allow Sheed to speak to the media.

It will do wonders for his confidence.

Lavin's got the kid gloves on him. Clearly doesn't want him to get too ahead of himself.

Lot of coaches do that. John Thompson was famous for it. It's a good rule, especially in the aftermath of the game - see Seattle Seahawks - and that's from a Stanford honors grad.

John Thompson wasn't around in this day and age of social media.

Lavin said he'd give him more media access after the first semester was over.

Kid had a great game, on the road, in an historic arena.

Now I know he may be afraid of Sheed possibly saying the wrong thing, but he's gotta loosen the reigns a bit IMO.

Sheed has a very large following. Give him a little confidence by putting him in front of the mics.

Honestly, because nearly every word is recorded in an interview or press conferenced, there is no way I would let a freshman speak to the press. I'd require freshman athletes to take one year of public speaking, and even then coach them on what you should or shouldn't say. These kids are playing big time college basketball because they are great athletes, not eloquent speakers. I think the potential for saying the wrong thing or even being criticized for their lack of speaking skills is huge. I think it was Anthony Davis, who spoke when he was drafted by the NBA, and a lot of the consensus was based on that interview he could have stayed in school for 3 more years.

 

[SJUalum98]

Lavin is going to have to take the cuffs off and allow Sheed to speak to the media.

It will do wonders for his confidence.

Lavin's got the kid gloves on him. Clearly doesn't want him to get too ahead of himself.

Lot of coaches do that. John Thompson was famous for it. It's a good rule, especially in the aftermath of the game - see Seattle Seahawks - and that's from a Stanford honors grad.

John Thompson wasn't around in this day and age of social media.

Lavin said he'd give him more media access after the first semester was over.

Kid had a great game, on the road, in an historic arena.

Now I know he may be afraid of Sheed possibly saying the wrong thing, but he's gotta loosen the reigns a bit IMO.

Sheed has a very large following. Give him a little confidence by putting him in front of the mics.

Honestly, because nearly every word is recorded in an interview or press conferenced, there is no way I would let a freshman speak to the press. I'd require freshman athletes to take one year of public speaking, and even then coach them on what you should or shouldn't say. These kids are playing big time college basketball because they are great athletes, not eloquent speakers. I think the potential for saying the wrong thing or even being criticized for their lack of speaking skills is huge. I think it was Anthony Davis, who spoke when he was drafted by the NBA, and a lot of the consensus was based on that interview he could have stayed in school for 3 more years.

You seem stuck in the past.

Ever hear Jakarr talk to the media? He's like 21 yrs old and has a difficult time putting words together.

My point is that I believe Lavin is being overly protective of Sheed.

BTW, I remember as a freshman, Intro To Speech was a required class my very first semester at SJU. Didn't help a bit but I wonder if it's the same right now?

 

[Class of 72]

Lavin is going to have to take the cuffs off and allow Sheed to speak to the media.

It will do wonders for his confidence.

Lavin's got the kid gloves on him. Clearly doesn't want him to get too ahead of himself.

Lot of coaches do that. John Thompson was famous for it. It's a good rule, especially in the aftermath of the game - see Seattle Seahawks - and that's from a Stanford honors grad.

John Thompson wasn't around in this day and age of social media.

Lavin said he'd give him more media access after the first semester was over.

Kid had a great game, on the road, in an historic arena.

Now I know he may be afraid of Sheed possibly saying the wrong thing, but he's gotta loosen the reigns a bit IMO.

Sheed has a very large following. Give him a little confidence by putting him in front of the mics.

Honestly, because nearly every word is recorded in an interview or press conferenced, there is no way I would let a freshman speak to the press. I'd require freshman athletes to take one year of public speaking, and even then coach them on what you should or shouldn't say. These kids are playing big time college basketball because they are great athletes, not eloquent speakers. I think the potential for saying the wrong thing or even being criticized for their lack of speaking skills is huge. I think it was Anthony Davis, who spoke when he was drafted by the NBA, and a lot of the consensus was based on that interview he could have stayed in school for 3 more years.

You seem stuck in the past.

Ever hear Jakarr talk to the media? He's like 21 yrs old and has a difficult time putting words together.

My point is that I believe Lavin is being overly protective of Sheed.

BTW, I remember as a freshman, Intro To Speech was a required class my very first semester at SJU. Didn't help a bit but I wonder if it's the same right now?

You are being a little hard on Jakarr. He was interviewed numerous times in prep school and he is a little nervous in public speaking. Most of us were at that age.
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[ZanMan]

Lavin is going to have to take the cuffs off and allow Sheed to speak to the media.

It will do wonders for his confidence.

Lavin's got the kid gloves on him. Clearly doesn't want him to get too ahead of himself.

Lot of coaches do that. John Thompson was famous for it. It's a good rule, especially in the aftermath of the game - see Seattle Seahawks - and that's from a Stanford honors grad.

John Thompson wasn't around in this day and age of social media.

Lavin said he'd give him more media access after the first semester was over.

Kid had a great game, on the road, in an historic arena.

Now I know he may be afraid of Sheed possibly saying the wrong thing, but he's gotta loosen the reigns a bit IMO.

Sheed has a very large following. Give him a little confidence by putting him in front of the mics.

I am fairly sure it has been a long standing tradition for 1st semester frosh to not be available to the media. I believe this dates back to Louie's tenure. The second semester is when they were allowed to be interviewed and give press conferences. I'm pretty sure every coach since Louie has done this.