Rysheed Jordan

Call me crazy but I think that Lavin has purposely held back Jordan's minutes because he doesn't want him to be a one and done like Harkless. Harkless leaving set this program back a little and Lavin wants to keep Rysheed here at least two years. By not playing him major minutes from the start, he holds back his development just enough to keep him here. If he plays him major minutes right from the start it accelerates the kids development and if he takes off he's gone after this year. Lavin is playing games with this kid. the kid knows it and his handlers know it.

Trying to figure out Lavin's rationale is impossible. The man beats to a different drum.
 
I agree Jordan should be getting more PT However from what I have seen he has come up against two freshmen PG one from Syracuse and another from DePaul who are superior to him or at least out play him. Is this another case of our over valuing our recruits?

That is the big question. I personally don't think Jordan was over-valued. He has shown several flashes of briliiance-2nd half of the Cuse game for example-where he's just the best PG we've put on the floor in a long time.

But the learning curve is so steep for a freshman and by restricting his minutes, Lavin is not giving him a chance to climb up it. His frustration builds, his confidence erodes, it all becomes a negative loop. I don't think it's too late to get him ramped up, but the heavy minutes need to stay consistent from here on in.
 
I agree Jordan should be getting more PT However from what I have seen he has come up against two freshmen PG one from Syracuse and another from DePaul who are superior to him or at least out play him. Is this another case of our over valuing our recruits?[/quot

Absolutely, Ennis we knew about but not the other kid Garrett I believe. You could throw in Criston from Xavier also, but I think he is a sophomore.
They have all outplayed Jordan and look better at this point of time.
 
I agree Jordan should be getting more PT However from what I have seen he has come up against two freshmen PG one from Syracuse and another from DePaul who are superior to him or at least out play him. Is this another case of our over valuing our recruits?[/quot

Absolutely, Ennis we knew about but not the other kid Garrett I believe. You could throw in Criston from Xavier also, but I think he is a sophomore.
They have all outplayed Jordan and look better at this point of time.
 
I agree Jordan should be getting more PT However from what I have seen he has come up against two freshmen PG one from Syracuse and another from DePaul who are superior to him or at least out play him. Is this another case of our over valuing our recruits?[/quot

Absolutely, Ennis we knew about but not the other kid Garrett I believe. You could throw in Criston from Xavier also, but I think he is a sophomore.
They have all outplayed Jordan and look better at this point of time.
Garrett was 0-10 against Creighton with 1 assist. He was 4-14 against Marquette with 2 assts. Instead of punishing him, Purnell kept his minutes up- and guess what, he's improving and getting better.
 
I just don't get why Jordan isn't playing 30 to 35 minutes a game. He is a prized recruit at a position we have been weak at. Let him run, get some experience and confidence and see where it brings us. This is beyond ridiculous.

Thursday night he comitted two fouls, one turnover and a missed shot in the first two or three minutes, so Lavin sat him. At the start of the second half he picked up his third foul and Lavin brought PG back in, Phil played a much better game than Jordan.

I'm not the greatest fan of Lavin's substitution patters but he played it right with Jordan, except for the last :38 seconds of the game. :blink:
 
I just don't get why Jordan isn't playing 30 to 35 minutes a game. He is a prized recruit at a position we have been weak at. Let him run, get some experience and confidence and see where it brings us. This is beyond ridiculous.

Thursday night he comitted two fouls, one turnover and a missed shot in the first two or three minutes, so Lavin sat him. At the start of the second half he picked up his third foul and Lavin brought PG back in, Phil played a much better game than Jordan.

I'm not the greatest fan of Lavin's substitution patters but he played it right with Jordan, except for the last :38 seconds of the game. :blink:

EXACTLY!
Rysheed still playing high school ball. Rico Hines is working with him so ..........
 
No clue what the hell Lavin is doing with this kid. To me, Jordan has played like the typical freshman. At times, he shows his high potential and makes others around him better. And at times, you watch him and just shake your head.

But the kid has nothing to apologize for because that is part of being a freshman at the college level. You are going to make mistakes and the important part is to learn from them. However, if Lavin chooses not to give the kid his minutes, how is he ever going to learn? Plus, PG's stat line last game said it all. 38 minutes, 0 assists. Sorry, but I'd rather put the turnover prone Jordan out there because at least he's trying to make something happen.
 
I just don't get why Jordan isn't playing 30 to 35 minutes a game. He is a prized recruit at a position we have been weak at. Let him run, get some experience and confidence and see where it brings us. This is beyond ridiculous.

Thursday night he comitted two fouls, one turnover and a missed shot in the first two or three minutes, so Lavin sat him. At the start of the second half he picked up his third foul and Lavin brought PG back in, Phil played a much better game than Jordan.

I'm not the greatest fan of Lavin's substitution patters but he played it right with Jordan, except for the last :38 seconds of the game. :blink:

Rysheed had 4 assists in the second half alone..
 
how about how Greene's defense on Cotton, does that count for anything?

If we have to make one defensive stop to win the game. Do you want green defending the opposing teams best guard? Or do you want Rysheed?
 
how about how Greene's defense on Cotton, does that count for anything?

If we have to make one defensive stop to win the game. Do you want green defending the opposing teams best guard? Or do you want Rysheed?

On that point, on the play were Greene got torched so early (at the key), I've always wondered why guys guard someone who is quick by playing so far off of them. I always felt that if you go nose to nose, there is no place for the offensive guy to go. When you give him a lot of room, it's a lot easier to shake a defender, just IMO.
 
I just don't get why Jordan isn't playing 30 to 35 minutes a game. He is a prized recruit at a position we have been weak at. Let him run, get some experience and confidence and see where it brings us. This is beyond ridiculous.

Thursday night he comitted two fouls, one turnover and a missed shot in the first two or three minutes, so Lavin sat him. At the start of the second half he picked up his third foul and Lavin brought PG back in, Phil played a much better game than Jordan.

I'm not the greatest fan of Lavin's substitution patters but he played it right with Jordan, except for the last :38 seconds of the game. :blink:

Good points but we had 3 chances to win the game (end of reg and 2 OTs) and I would have liked to have seen the ball in Jordan's hands with a chance to drive to basket. Instead we got an out of control DeAngelo, a long jumper by Sanchez, and an out of control drive by Greene.

I'd doubt Jordan would go 0-3 in those scenarios. It's simple when you absolutely need a basket give it to your best penetrating guard who can finish. If you want Dee or Sampson to take the last shot than run a play for them. Too much 1 on 1 play from this team and terrible execution game after game. That's why we can't finish and are 0-5.
 
how about how Greene's defense on Cotton, does that count for anything?

If we have to make one defensive stop to win the game. Do you want green defending the opposing teams best guard? Or do you want Rysheed?

I maybe wrong but hadn't Greene been playing game pretty effective defense on Cotton most of the game?
 
how about how Greene's defense on Cotton, does that count for anything?

If we have to make one defensive stop to win the game. Do you want green defending the opposing teams best guard? Or do you want Rysheed?

I maybe wrong but hadn't Greene been playing game pretty effective defense on Cotton most of the game?

I don't think so...he routinely gets beat on/off ball and his inability to fight thru screens creates mismatches all game long...
 
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I just don't get why Jordan isn't playing 30 to 35 minutes a game. He is a prized recruit at a position we have been weak at. Let him run, get some experience and confidence and see where it brings us. This is beyond ridiculous.

Thursday night he comitted two fouls, one turnover and a missed shot in the first two or three minutes, so Lavin sat him. At the start of the second half he picked up his third foul and Lavin brought PG back in, Phil played a much better game than Jordan.

I'm not the greatest fan of Lavin's substitution patters but he played it right with Jordan, except for the last :38 seconds of the game. :blink:

Astute post, Section9

(I'm gonna pass on speculating on the evil that lies in Coach's heart...like deliberately sabotaging a kid's progress because he is transferring or as an attempt to keep him from being one and done.)
 
I agree Jordan should be getting more PT However from what I have seen he has come up against two freshmen PG one from Syracuse and another from DePaul who are superior to him or at least out play him. Is this another case of our over valuing our recruits?

That is the big question. I personally don't think Jordan was over-valued. He has shown several flashes of briliiance-2nd half of the Cuse game for example-where he's just the best PG we've put on the floor in a long time.

But the learning curve is so steep for a freshman and by restricting his minutes, Lavin is not giving him a chance to climb up it. His frustration builds, his confidence erodes, it all becomes a negative loop. I don't think it's too late to get him ramped up, but the heavy minutes need to stay consistent from here on in.

It's def early on jordan but he seems to be a little overvalued because he can't shoot. He has a little nurideen lindsey to his game, and that's not a good thing.
 
how about how Greene's defense on Cotton, does that count for anything?

If we have to make one defensive stop to win the game. Do you want green defending the opposing teams best guard? Or do you want Rysheed?

On that point, on the play were Greene got torched so early (at the key), I've always wondered why guys guard someone who is quick by playing so far off of them. I always felt that if you go nose to nose, there is no place for the offensive guy to go. When you give him a lot of room, it's a lot easier to shake a defender, just IMO.

Actually, Greene met Cotton as he crossed half court. Gave him too much room to drive, especially since all our guys were behind the foul line on defense. I would not pick him up until he reached the top of the key.
 
how about how Greene's defense on Cotton, does that count for anything?

If we have to make one defensive stop to win the game. Do you want green defending the opposing teams best guard? Or do you want Rysheed?

On that point, on the play were Greene got torched so early (at the key), I've always wondered why guys guard someone who is quick by playing so far off of them. I always felt that if you go nose to nose, there is no place for the offensive guy to go. When you give him a lot of room, it's a lot easier to shake a defender, just IMO.

Actually, Greene met Cotton as he crossed half court. Gave him too much room to drive, especially since all our guys were behind the foul line on defense. I would not pick him up until he reached the top of the key.

I do like Greene. He plays hard, has a decent jump shot, is quick, and seems like a good kid. However, I like him as our second-string SG. Give him 20-25 minutes off the bench at the SG position. That's my vote on Phil.
 
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