Rysheed Jordan

Why we didn't stay with Jordan down the stretch against Nova is beyond me and just added to my growing frustration with this team. I know he was on the court but we should have been playing through him, not Harrison.
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You know me and the Harrison fan club. But I think Harrison is more Robin to a Batman. Can Jordan be that Batman? I'd like to see Jordan knocking down some more jumpers. He can penetrate and draw contact and finish. He doesn't kick out that much either but that could fall on coaching and/or players not in position to receive that kick. Sure would be nice to have a two man show with him and Harrison
 
Conspiracy theory of the day:

Jordan’s mother is going to get ill again. The “good enough to qualify for a hardship waiver so my superstar son can get the h*ll out of St John’s without having to sit a year” kind of ill.

Temple wanted Jordan. Temple has a hospital. Temple has doctors.

Insane? Probably. I also believed Lavin was a serviceable coach at one point.
 
I believe Jorden is as good as gone after this year. can't blame him.The silver lining for us is we will still have Greene to play the Point guard LOL.
 
I just don't get why Jordan isn't playing 30 to 35 minutes a game. He is a prized recruit at a position we have been weak at. Let him run, get some experience and confidence and see where it brings us. This is beyond ridiculous.
 
Conspiracy theory of the day:

Jordan’s mother is going to get ill again. The “good enough to qualify for a hardship waiver so my superstar son can get the h*ll out of St John’s without having to sit a year” kind of ill.

Temple wanted Jordan. Temple has a hospital. Temple has doctors.

Insane? Probably. I also believed Lavin was a serviceable coach at one point.
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I think Jordan should stay at St. John's and Bruce Pearl go to Temple
 
I just don't get why Jordan isn't playing 30 to 35 minutes a game. He is a prized recruit at a position we have been weak at. Let him run, get some experience and confidence and see where it brings us. This is beyond ridiculous.
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Lavin has a thing for Greene and Pointer (even though Pointer doesn't really impact Jordan). He might go away from them in small ways at times but he'll always revert back to them. No example has ever been greater than Lavin electing to stick with the same 5 players (including Greene and Pointer), with the exception of Sanchez fouling out, which completely neutralized the fact that Providence only played 6 guys all game. Our rotation has been a revolving door all season with a sub at every whistle and he picks a 2OT game against a team with the shortest rotation we'll see all year to play one group extended minutes.

Anyway that is primarily why Jordan gets inconsistent minutes. It seems like he basically has to assert himself early otherwise Lavin will seize the opportunity to let Greene (0 assists in 38 minutes last night, his 4th consecutive game with 0 assists) run point. It's one of the strangest things I've ever seen from a coach of a team I've followed.
 
I'd like to preface this post, by stating that I was not high on Lavin to begin with. I have always thought of him as a snake oil salesman who is a lousy coach. That being said, I think he certainly knows more about basketball than I or most people on this board do. Put another way, while I think Lavin is a bad coach, I don't think he's totally incompetent. Nor do I think he is intentionally trying to lose games.

So that begs the question -- why is Lavin refusing to play Jordan substantial minutes when it is obvious to me and many others that Jordan should be getting more PT? Lavin knows as well as we do that Jordan is his star recruit and not playing him could result in the kid transfering and have a detrimental effect on recruiting.

The answer to the Rysheed Jordan question, perhaps, is that there is something significant going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.

This much we do know -- Jordan was suspended a game for disciplinary reasons and he missed a second game during Christmas break (ostensibly to visit his sick mother) amidst rumors that he was going to transfer. Another indisputable fact is that when he's played, Jordan has not come close to living up to the hype. To date, Jordan has been an utter disappontment as a player and while Lavin's system may be a contributing factor, I don't think it's nearly the entire story.

There are certainly fertile grounds on which Lavin should receive substantial criticism, but I am reluctant to criticize him on his treatment of Jordan without knowing more about the facts. Curious to hear others' view.
 
I'd like to preface this post, by stating that I was not high on Lavin to begin with. I have always thought of him as a snake oil salesman who is a lousy coach. That being said, I think he certainly knows more about basketball than I or most people on this board do. Put another way, while I think Lavin is a bad coach, I don't think he's totally incompetent. Nor do I think he is intentionally trying to lose games.

So that begs the question -- why is Lavin refusing to play Jordan substantial minutes when it is obvious to me and many others that Jordan should be getting more PT? Lavin knows as well as we do that Jordan is his star recruit and not playing him could result in the kid transfering and have a detrimental effect on recruiting.

The answer to the Rysheed Jordan question, perhaps, is that there is something significant going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.

This much we do know -- Jordan was suspended a game for disciplinary reasons and he missed a second game during Christmas break (ostensibly to visit his sick mother) amidst rumors that he was going to transfer. Another indisputable fact is that when he's played, Jordan has not come close to living up to the hype. To date, Jordan has been an utter disappontment as a player and while Lavin's system may be a contributing factor, I don't think it's nearly the entire story.

There are certainly fertile grounds on which Lavin should receive substantial criticism, but I am reluctant to criticize him on his treatment of Jordan without knowing more about the facts. Curious to hear others' view.
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If Jordan's mom get's sick again, Lavin might send Hooper in to visit with her.
 
I'd like to preface this post, by stating that I was not high on Lavin to begin with. I have always thought of him as a snake oil salesman who is a lousy coach. That being said, I think he certainly knows more about basketball than I or most people on this board do. Put another way, while I think Lavin is a bad coach, I don't think he's totally incompetent. Nor do I think he is intentionally trying to lose games.

So that begs the question -- why is Lavin refusing to play Jordan substantial minutes when it is obvious to me and many others that Jordan should be getting more PT? Lavin knows as well as we do that Jordan is his star recruit and not playing him could result in the kid transfering and have a detrimental effect on recruiting.

The answer to the Rysheed Jordan question, perhaps, is that there is something significant going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.

This much we do know -- Jordan was suspended a game for disciplinary reasons and he missed a second game during Christmas break (ostensibly to visit his sick mother) amidst rumors that he was going to transfer. Another indisputable fact is that when he's played, Jordan has not come close to living up to the hype. To date, Jordan has been an utter disappontment as a player and while Lavin's system may be a contributing factor, I don't think it's nearly the entire story.

There are certainly fertile grounds on which Lavin should receive substantial criticism, but I am reluctant to criticize him on his treatment of Jordan without knowing more about the facts. Curious to hear others' view.
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Simply speculating… I would say this is no more complicated than Jordan being massively riled about his minutes. Jordan came into St John’s expecting to be The Man. By not giving him heavy minutes right out of the gate, Lavin is thwarting that scenario.

I'm guessing Jordan is also looking at his peers and getting pissed. Take freshman PG Tyler Ennis at Cuse. Boeheim has consistently given him 30 minutes or so per game from the get-go. Same thing for Arcidiacono’s freshman year at Nova.

I’m assuming Jordan and his handlers believe he’s at least (if not more) talented as those 2 and are infuriated that he’s not developing the way they are
and getting similar treatment from Lavin.
 
Sheed should be getting more minutes. Why Lavin gives Geene so many minutes at the point is beyond me.
 
I agree Jordan should be getting more PT However from what I have seen he has come up against two freshmen PG one from Syracuse and another from DePaul who are superior to him or at least out play him. Is this another case of our over valuing our recruits?
 
I agree Jordan should be getting more PT However from what I have seen he has come up against two freshmen PG one from Syracuse and another from DePaul who are superior to him or at least out play him. Is this another case of our over valuing our recruits?
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Tony Chiles spent many days in Philly evaluating Jordan. Ask him!
The kid is playing tight and our great one-to-one coaching expert who some here think is valued by NBA players and who was the greatest guard Steve Lavin ever saw is having zero influence on Rysheed and perhaps actually hurting his game.
I think most here know I think our assistants stink but Hines in particular gets too much input for my liking and I have yet to see any of our guards improve one bit with him as a mentor. It is like having Jarvis Junior back and being protected by daddy wizard.
 
Conspiracy theory of the day:

Jordan’s mother is going to get ill again. The “good enough to qualify for a hardship waiver so my superstar son can get the h*ll out of St John’s without having to sit a year” kind of ill.

Temple wanted Jordan. Temple has a hospital. Temple has doctors.

Insane? Probably. I also believed Lavin was a serviceable coach at one point.
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Her health woes have been documented. Lavin himself has talked about it. No need for conspiracy theories -- he is as good a candidate for the waiver as anyone else should he pursue that route.
 
Perhaps it's as simple as knowing Jordan is leaving anyway, so why further his development for Temple? If he can win with his own guys, perhaps he thinks it's better for the program. True? Not sure. Petty? Perhaps.
 
This transfer nonsense will finally be put to bed when we hire Fran Dunphy in two months.
 
Sheed should be getting more minutes. Why Lavin gives Geene so many minutes at the point is beyond me.
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Lavin commented on RedStorm Report that Greene and Obepka are the best listeners on the team. Does this mean anything?
 
Conspiracy theory of the day:

Jordan’s mother is going to get ill again. The “good enough to qualify for a hardship waiver so my superstar son can get the h*ll out of St John’s without having to sit a year” kind of ill.

Temple wanted Jordan. Temple has a hospital. Temple has doctors.

Insane? Probably. I also believed Lavin was a serviceable coach at one point.
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Her health woes have been documented. Lavin himself has talked about it. No need for conspiracy theories -- he is as good a candidate for the waiver as anyone else should he pursue that route.
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I think its time to stop discussing his moms health.
 
Sheed should be getting more minutes. Why Lavin gives Geene so many minutes at the point is beyond me.
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Lavin commented on RedStorm Report that Greene and Obepka are the best listeners on the team. Does this mean anything?
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LMFAO!
The problem is they are listening to HIM!!
 
Conspiracy theory of the day:

Jordan’s mother is going to get ill again. The “good enough to qualify for a hardship waiver so my superstar son can get the h*ll out of St John’s without having to sit a year” kind of ill.

Temple wanted Jordan. Temple has a hospital. Temple has doctors.

Insane? Probably. I also believed Lavin was a serviceable coach at one point.
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Her health woes have been documented. Lavin himself has talked about it. No need for conspiracy theories -- he is as good a candidate for the waiver as anyone else should he pursue that route.
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I think its time to stop discussing his moms health.
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I agree. It is irrelevant at this point of the season.
My gut tells me there is a lot more going on between Jordan and the coach than we know. The pre-season POY, the highest rank recruit ever signed at SJU by Lavin, was not even an afterthought in the last 15 minutes of a must win game. There seems to be a dark vindictive side to the wizard that intends to punish players by humiliating them. The great communicator cannot seem to get through to the most important players on his team.
 
Call me crazy but I think that Lavin has purposely held back Jordan's minutes because he doesn't want him to be a one and done like Harkless. Harkless leaving set this program back a little and Lavin wants to keep Rysheed here at least two years. By not playing him major minutes from the start, he holds back his development just enough to keep him here. If he plays him major minutes right from the start it accelerates the kids development and if he takes off he's gone after this year. Lavin is playing games with this kid. the kid knows it and his handlers know it.
 
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