Rysheed Jordan - Stay or Go?

[redfazed]

I like how grown men most of which are probably typing froma computer in a cubicle at a job they hate telling a 19 year kid not to try to make money playing basketball. Some of you guys are hysterical. If he really doesn't like school why should he stay. Remember some of you are big into the student athlete myth. There is no guarantee another year does anything for him.

I hope he stays becuase the SJU basketball team will be much better for it. At least I am honest!

I'm guessing most fans are likewise motivated by what's best for the team and I'd be shocked if anyone on this board was under the illusion that Jordan is a first and foremost a "student athlete."

Whether he stays or goes will depend on how badly he wants to play in the NBA. He's not going to be drafted this year. What % of D-Leaguers and European players make the NBA? I don't know the answer, but I'm guessing it's in the order of 1%-2%. The goods news is that no one is in a better position to help him assess the situation than Mullin.

 

[sirvoo]

We as fans see how much he can help us and in turn help himself. The problem is he has a family to support. can't blame him for looking out, but hope to God he decides to stick it out one more year and become BE player of the year

 

[SJU1512]

I think it is in Jordan's best interest to stay, and that's not a biased opinion that's looking at the draft board and looking at the coach we have coming in right now.

Rysheed wants to take care of his family, it's honorable, we all understand it, that means he should make sure he has guaranteed money coming by getting drafted. Mullin is his best chance with his connections and knowledge of how prospects are evaluated in pre draft workouts.

With that being said, sheed might hate going to school and doing schoolwork, and leave anyway. I hope we have him back

In the coming weeks, we will find out about Sampson, Obekpa, Jordan & maybe a kid or two who wants to leave. Then we will get a better sense of transfers, new recruits & a projected roster. I am so excited about our future prospects under Mullin that I'm not losing sleep over a potentially mediocre team next year & anything above that is gravy. Program stability & prosperity, with a few bumps in the road, may be right around the corner.

Incredibly well said. I don't think we should get too tied up in next season's results. With where we've been, and most importantly largely haven't been, the last 20 years or so, the Mullin move should be about where we are going to be the next 20 years, not the next one. Especially because next year is unlikely to be special - but maybe 3 years from now could be. Let's start focusing on the latter objective right away.

Want to be as good as we can next year. But am not interested in making near term moves that potentially improve next season, but also potentially set the macro rebuild back even further. That includes returning players. If anyone is not 100% on board with where Mullin wants to go, would rather not have them and be worse next year in the name of expediting the rebuild. Am absolutely, completely prepared to deal with a single-digit win season (although I don't think that's likely) if that's what is best to get on Mullin's desired path for the program.

 

[paultzman]

I think it is in Jordan's best interest to stay, and that's not a biased opinion that's looking at the draft board and looking at the coach we have coming in right now.

Rysheed wants to take care of his family, it's honorable, we all understand it, that means he should make sure he has guaranteed money coming by getting drafted. Mullin is his best chance with his connections and knowledge of how prospects are evaluated in pre draft workouts.

With that being said, sheed might hate going to school and doing schoolwork, and leave anyway. I hope we have him back

In the coming weeks, we will find out about Sampson, Obekpa, Jordan & maybe a kid or two who wants to leave. Then we will get a better sense of transfers, new recruits & a projected roster. I am so excited about our future prospects under Mullin that I'm not losing sleep over a potentially mediocre team next year & anything above that is gravy. Program stability & prosperity, with a few bumps in the road, may be right around the corner.

Incredibly well said. I don't think we should get too tied up in next season's results. With where we've been, and most importantly largely haven't been, the last 20 years or so, the Mullin move should be about where we are going to be the next 20 years, not the next one. Especially because next year is unlikely to be special - but maybe 3 years from now could be. Let's start focusing on the latter objective right away.

Want to be as good as we can next year. But am not interested in making near term moves that potentially improve next season, but also potentially set the macro rebuild back even further. That includes returning players. If anyone is not 100% on board with where Mullin wants to go, would rather not have them and be worse next year in the name of expediting the rebuild. Am absolutely, completely prepared to deal with a single-digit win season (although I don't think that's likely) if that's what is best to get on Mullin's desired path for the program.

Spot on post 15. It is all about building & stabilizing a program, not next season.

 

[beast of the east]

I like how grown men most of which are probably typing froma computer in a cubicle at a job they hate telling a 19 year kid not to try to make money playing basketball. Some of you guys are hysterical. If he really doesn't like school why should he stay. Remember some of you are big into the student athlete myth. There is no guarantee another year does anything for him.

I hope he stays becuase the SJU basketball team will be much better for it. At least I am honest!

I'm curious as to how old you are. It's not exactly a rational discussion. Most here are SJU alumni, and what is being discussed is what's best for a kid who has been sold his entire life that he's going to play in the NBA. Granted almost anyone with CO or Jordan talent can make fairly decent money playing around the world and that means something for a kid who comes from a poor family. But generally that kind of money will not sustain you after you stop playing. There are some former college players doing very menial things, some unemployed and some homeless or on government assistance living in projects. Others who played here got educations and have very solid professional careers - some even managing people in cubicles.

so while you appear to be a teenager tired of being told by your parents what to do, by and large the discussion here for Jordan and CO centers on what's best for them, and not SJU basketball. I find that SJU has an inordinate number of people who think of others, and when I transferred to SJU I found that out immediately. So while you are entitled to your right to trash old men sitting in cubicles, which you seem to denigrate, consider that some SJU alums here are also in corner offices, lawyers, physicians or many careers of importance because of SJU.

An education isn't for everyone for certain, but what people are discussing here mostly is whether its better for JORDAN, not SJU, for him to stay and refine his skills, and perhaps learn something in the classroom as well

 

[beast of the east]

I think it is in Jordan's best interest to stay, and that's not a biased opinion that's looking at the draft board and looking at the coach we have coming in right now.

Rysheed wants to take care of his family, it's honorable, we all understand it, that means he should make sure he has guaranteed money coming by getting drafted. Mullin is his best chance with his connections and knowledge of how prospects are evaluated in pre draft workouts.

With that being said, sheed might hate going to school and doing schoolwork, and leave anyway. I hope we have him back

In the coming weeks, we will find out about Sampson, Obekpa, Jordan & maybe a kid or two who wants to leave. Then we will get a better sense of transfers, new recruits & a projected roster. I am so excited about our future prospects under Mullin that I'm not losing sleep over a potentially mediocre team next year & anything above that is gravy. Program stability & prosperity, with a few bumps in the road, may be right around the corner.

Incredibly well said. I don't think we should get too tied up in next season's results. With where we've been, and most importantly largely haven't been, the last 20 years or so, the Mullin move should be about where we are going to be the next 20 years, not the next one. Especially because next year is unlikely to be special - but maybe 3 years from now could be. Let's start focusing on the latter objective right away.

Want to be as good as we can next year. But am not interested in making near term moves that potentially improve next season, but also potentially set the macro rebuild back even further. That includes returning players. If anyone is not 100% on board with where Mullin wants to go, would rather not have them and be worse next year in the name of expediting the rebuild. Am absolutely, completely prepared to deal with a single-digit win season (although I don't think that's likely) if that's what is best to get on Mullin's desired path for the program.

Spot on post 15. It is all about building & stabilizing a program, not next season.

No one is talking about sacrificing the future based on next season. A program is built one brick at a time, and getting off on a nice note (maybe 17 wins and the NIT) is an important building block for the next group of kids Mullin will recruit. It's not like the pros where you can dump salary in order to open up cap space and in doing so sacrifice the present for the future. Can you explain what near term moves would damage us in the future - I'm probably missing what you are thinking. Thanks.

 

[we are sju]

So you think Jordan is going to be a lawyer or Doctor?
Jordan is going to college to pursue his career of choice which is basketball. If you went to Harvard Law and the Law firm of Dewy Cheatem and Howe came to you and said we would like to hire you right after your Junior year at our firm. Would you say no? Of Course not.

Could Jordan potentially make more and set himself up better by staying? Maybe. But it is not guaranteed. Jordan has to do what is best for him. And you have no idea what that is.That is my point.
You want him to stay for the same reason I do. That other stuff you posted is pretty silly.

 

[beast of the east]

So you think Jordan is going to be a lawyer or Doctor?
Jordan is going to college to pursue his career of choice which is basketball. If you went to Harvard Law and the Law firm of Dewy Cheatem and Howe came to you and said we would like to hire you right after your Junior year at our firm. Would you say no? Of Course not.

Could Jordan potentially make more and set himself up better by staying? Maybe. But it is not guaranteed. Jordan has to do what is best for him. And you have no idea what that is.That is my point.
You want him to stay for the same reason I do. That other stuff you posted is pretty silly.

Reggie Carter became an assistant principal in Mineola after he graduated and his playing days were over.

Wayne McKoy, a very poor student himself, is now a HS principal.

Curtis Redding left here with nothing, and last I heard was a security guard in a low paying job.

Dozens and dozens of examples of bball players who left here and are doing well in their lives because of an SJU education.

I am one of those old people who manage people who work in cubicles. My credo is that if you always try to do what's best for them and not you, things all in all will work out better. Same goes for Jordan.

 

[paultzman]

I think it is in Jordan's best interest to stay, and that's not a biased opinion that's looking at the draft board and looking at the coach we have coming in right now.

Rysheed wants to take care of his family, it's honorable, we all understand it, that means he should make sure he has guaranteed money coming by getting drafted. Mullin is his best chance with his connections and knowledge of how prospects are evaluated in pre draft workouts.

With that being said, sheed might hate going to school and doing schoolwork, and leave anyway. I hope we have him back

In the coming weeks, we will find out about Sampson, Obekpa, Jordan & maybe a kid or two who wants to leave. Then we will get a better sense of transfers, new recruits & a projected roster. I am so excited about our future prospects under Mullin that I'm not losing sleep over a potentially mediocre team next year & anything above that is gravy. Program stability & prosperity, with a few bumps in the road, may be right around the corner.

Incredibly well said. I don't think we should get too tied up in next season's results. With where we've been, and most importantly largely haven't been, the last 20 years or so, the Mullin move should be about where we are going to be the next 20 years, not the next one. Especially because next year is unlikely to be special - but maybe 3 years from now could be. Let's start focusing on the latter objective right away.

Want to be as good as we can next year. But am not interested in making near term moves that potentially improve next season, but also potentially set the macro rebuild back even further. That includes returning players. If anyone is not 100% on board with where Mullin wants to go, would rather not have them and be worse next year in the name of expediting the rebuild. Am absolutely, completely prepared to deal with a single-digit win season (although I don't think that's likely) if that's what is best to get on Mullin's desired path for the program.

Spot on post 15. It is all about building & stabilizing a program, not next season.

No one is talking about sacrificing the future based on next season. A program is built one brick at a time, and getting off on a nice note (maybe 17 wins and the NIT) is an important building block for the next group of kids Mullin will recruit. It's not like the pros where you can dump salary in order to open up cap space and in doing so sacrifice the present for the future. Can you explain what near term moves would damage us in the future - I'm probably missing what you are thinking. Thanks.

You having a bad day Beast. I'll let 15 answer for himself, but I for one hope we do well to NIT level you describe, but prepared for less possibly. My focus is on subsequent years & doing things in a systematic fashion to achieve stability, success & avoidance of last minute quick fixes. (which often are counter productive) I have great confidence Mullin & staff will build a program that can be successful & sustainable.

 

[jumbo_peanuts]

I think it is in Jordan's best interest to stay, and that's not a biased opinion that's looking at the draft board and looking at the coach we have coming in right now.

Rysheed wants to take care of his family, it's honorable, we all understand it, that means he should make sure he has guaranteed money coming by getting drafted. Mullin is his best chance with his connections and knowledge of how prospects are evaluated in pre draft workouts.

With that being said, sheed might hate going to school and doing schoolwork, and leave anyway. I hope we have him back

In the coming weeks, we will find out about Sampson, Obekpa, Jordan & maybe a kid or two who wants to leave. Then we will get a better sense of transfers, new recruits & a projected roster. I am so excited about our future prospects under Mullin that I'm not losing sleep over a potentially mediocre team next year & anything above that is gravy. Program stability & prosperity, with a few bumps in the road, may be right around the corner.

Incredibly well said. I don't think we should get too tied up in next season's results. With where we've been, and most importantly largely haven't been, the last 20 years or so, the Mullin move should be about where we are going to be the next 20 years, not the next one. Especially because next year is unlikely to be special - but maybe 3 years from now could be. Let's start focusing on the latter objective right away.

Want to be as good as we can next year. But am not interested in making near term moves that potentially improve next season, but also potentially set the macro rebuild back even further. That includes returning players. If anyone is not 100% on board with where Mullin wants to go, would rather not have them and be worse next year in the name of expediting the rebuild. Am absolutely, completely prepared to deal with a single-digit win season (although I don't think that's likely) if that's what is best to get on Mullin's desired path for the program.

Spot on post 15. It is all about building & stabilizing a program, not next season.

Think Mullin will bring that up when talking to Jordan and Obekpa about possibly returning? We don't care about next year, we are planning for the future.

 

[we are sju]

I am not saying Jordan can't be succesful at whatever he wants. I have no idea what kind of student he is nor should I.
My point is, his best skill is clearly basketball. Who am I or you to tell him that he should not pursue that goal whenever he wants? You can always go back to school, and there is no guarantee he improves his status if he comes back. If he does come back he will clearly be our best player and maybe it will actually be harder for him. Maybe he gets hurt?

Listen I want him to stay and think to better his chances of making the NBA, HE SHOULD STAY. But unlike others, if he goes I would not criticize him or his decision.

 

[ADORAZ]

Here's the facts:

If Jordan stays, there's a chance we will raise his draft status. There is also a chance he will lower his draft status or not improve it.

His status this year is likely low, which is why I think we should stay (and of course I'm biased as a fan). He knows more about his draft status than I do, though. It's up to him.

 

[paultzman]

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I think it is in Jordan's best interest to stay, and that's not a biased opinion that's looking at the draft board and looking at the coach we have coming in right now.

Rysheed wants to take care of his family, it's honorable, we all understand it, that means he should make sure he has guaranteed money coming by getting drafted. Mullin is his best chance with his connections and knowledge of how prospects are evaluated in pre draft workouts.

With that being said, sheed might hate going to school and doing schoolwork, and leave anyway. I hope we have him back

In the coming weeks, we will find out about Sampson, Obekpa, Jordan & maybe a kid or two who wants to leave. Then we will get a better sense of transfers, new recruits & a projected roster. I am so excited about our future prospects under Mullin that I'm not losing sleep over a potentially mediocre team next year & anything above that is gravy. Program stability & prosperity, with a few bumps in the road, may be right around the corner.

Incredibly well said. I don't think we should get too tied up in next season's results. With where we've been, and most importantly largely haven't been, the last 20 years or so, the Mullin move should be about where we are going to be the next 20 years, not the next one. Especially because next year is unlikely to be special - but maybe 3 years from now could be. Let's start focusing on the latter objective right away.

Want to be as good as we can next year. But am not interested in making near term moves that potentially improve next season, but also potentially set the macro rebuild back even further. That includes returning players. If anyone is not 100% on board with where Mullin wants to go, would rather not have them and be worse next year in the name of expediting the rebuild. Am absolutely, completely prepared to deal with a single-digit win season (although I don't think that's likely) if that's what is best to get on Mullin's desired path for the program.

Spot on post 15. It is all about building & stabilizing a program, not next season.

Think Mullin will bring that up when talking to Jordan and Obekpa about possibly returning? We don't care about next year, we are planning for the future.

Never said "we don't care about next season" would be message. Context suggested my friend.
Mullin will sit with them, listen, offer advice & they will decide what to do next. As I have noted before, if Chris M wants them back great. If they choose to move on, it is not my preference, but I won't get crazy. Got it?

 

[monte]

So you think Jordan is going to be a lawyer or Doctor?
Jordan is going to college to pursue his career of choice which is basketball. If you went to Harvard Law and the Law firm of Dewy Cheatem and Howe came to you and said we would like to hire you right after your Junior year at our firm. Would you say no? Of Course not.

Could Jordan potentially make more and set himself up better by staying? Maybe. But it is not guaranteed. Jordan has to do what is best for him. And you have no idea what that is.That is my point.
You want him to stay for the same reason I do. That other stuff you posted is pretty silly.

Reggie Carter became an assistant principal in Mineola after he graduated and his playing days were over.

Wayne McKoy, a very poor student himself, is now a HS principal.

Curtis Redding left here with nothing, and last I heard was a security guard in a low paying job.

Dozens and dozens of examples of bball players who left here and are doing well in their lives because of an SJU education.

I am one of those old people who manage people who work in cubicles. My credo is that if you always try to do what's best for them and not you, things all in all will work out better. Same goes for Jordan.

Carl Beckett, a prop 48 kid when he arrived, left here with a masters degree. Not many people considered D'lo a student athlete a few years ago. Look at him now. I have no doubt that D'lo will be a success at whatever he does in life. Kids mature a differant times. Not saying what Sheed should do, just hope he thinks lomg and hard not just about the short-term ramifications of his decision, but about the long term ones as well.

 

[SJUalum98]

I am not saying Jordan can't be succesful at whatever he wants. I have no idea what kind of student he is nor should I.
My point is, his best skill is clearly basketball. Who am I or you to tell him that he should not pursue that goal whenever he wants? You can always go back to school, and there is no guarantee he improves his status if he comes back. If he does come back he will clearly be our best player and maybe it will actually be harder for him. Maybe he gets hurt?

Listen I want him to stay and think to better his chances of making the NBA, HE SHOULD STAY. But unlike others, if he goes I would not criticize him or his decision.

Not sure who is criticizing him.

If Sheed wants to take care of his family/community, he can't do that on a D-League salary. If his only option is overseas, he won't even be able to see any of them.

PG is the hardest position to translate into as a pro.

If this was Ryan Arcidiacono, everyone here would be saying the exact same thing.

 

[SJU1512]

I think it is in Jordan's best interest to stay, and that's not a biased opinion that's looking at the draft board and looking at the coach we have coming in right now.

Rysheed wants to take care of his family, it's honorable, we all understand it, that means he should make sure he has guaranteed money coming by getting drafted. Mullin is his best chance with his connections and knowledge of how prospects are evaluated in pre draft workouts.

With that being said, sheed might hate going to school and doing schoolwork, and leave anyway. I hope we have him back

In the coming weeks, we will find out about Sampson, Obekpa, Jordan & maybe a kid or two who wants to leave. Then we will get a better sense of transfers, new recruits & a projected roster. I am so excited about our future prospects under Mullin that I'm not losing sleep over a potentially mediocre team next year & anything above that is gravy. Program stability & prosperity, with a few bumps in the road, may be right around the corner.

Incredibly well said. I don't think we should get too tied up in next season's results. With where we've been, and most importantly largely haven't been, the last 20 years or so, the Mullin move should be about where we are going to be the next 20 years, not the next one. Especially because next year is unlikely to be special - but maybe 3 years from now could be. Let's start focusing on the latter objective right away.

Want to be as good as we can next year. But am not interested in making near term moves that potentially improve next season, but also potentially set the macro rebuild back even further. That includes returning players. If anyone is not 100% on board with where Mullin wants to go, would rather not have them and be worse next year in the name of expediting the rebuild. Am absolutely, completely prepared to deal with a single-digit win season (although I don't think that's likely) if that's what is best to get on Mullin's desired path for the program.

Spot on post 15. It is all about building & stabilizing a program, not next season.

No one is talking about sacrificing the future based on next season. A program is built one brick at a time, and getting off on a nice note (maybe 17 wins and the NIT) is an important building block for the next group of kids Mullin will recruit. It's not like the pros where you can dump salary in order to open up cap space and in doing so sacrifice the present for the future. Can you explain what near term moves would damage us in the future - I'm probably missing what you are thinking. Thanks.

You having a bad day Beast. I'll let 15 answer for himself, but I for one hope we do well to NIT level you describe, but prepared for less possibly. My focus is on subsequent years & doing things in a systematic fashion to achieve stability, success & avoidance of last minute quick fixes. (which often are counter productive) I have great confidence Mullin & staff will build a program that can be successful & sustainable.

Of course want us to be as good as possible next season for reasons you mentioned. All momentum is good momentum.

My point was just that I fully support whatever personnel decisions Coach decides to make regarding next year's roster. If there is a kid that could make us substantially better next year, but Mullin does not believe will be part of growing the program big picture, then I am all for moving on without that kid and taking the hit next year.

It's purely a hypothetical as it may not be the case. But if a band aid needs to be ripped off, would rather rip it than have a 1-2 year slow play. Am confident in what Mullin's vision will be for the program and want him to pursue his path from jump street, both including and excluding immediate roster options available to him as he sees fit.

 

[sirvoo]

I am not saying Jordan can't be succesful at whatever he wants. I have no idea what kind of student he is nor should I.
My point is, his best skill is clearly basketball. Who am I or you to tell him that he should not pursue that goal whenever he wants? You can always go back to school, and there is no guarantee he improves his status if he comes back. If he does come back he will clearly be our best player and maybe it will actually be harder for him. Maybe he gets hurt?

Listen I want him to stay and think to better his chances of making the NBA, HE SHOULD STAY. But unlike others, if he goes I would not criticize him or his decision.

Not sure who is criticizing him.

If Sheed wants to take care of his family/community, he can't do that on a D-League salary. If his only option is overseas, he won't even be able to see any of them.

PG is the hardest position to translate into as a pro.

If this was Ryan Arcidiacono, everyone here would be saying the exact same thing.

Sheed's pro prospects are way better than pizza face's.

 

[we are sju]

Not sure who is criticizing him.

If he leaves, want to bet on that statement?

 

[SJUalum98]

I am not saying Jordan can't be succesful at whatever he wants. I have no idea what kind of student he is nor should I.
My point is, his best skill is clearly basketball. Who am I or you to tell him that he should not pursue that goal whenever he wants? You can always go back to school, and there is no guarantee he improves his status if he comes back. If he does come back he will clearly be our best player and maybe it will actually be harder for him. Maybe he gets hurt?

Listen I want him to stay and think to better his chances of making the NBA, HE SHOULD STAY. But unlike others, if he goes I would not criticize him or his decision.

Not sure who is criticizing him.

If Sheed wants to take care of his family/community, he can't do that on a D-League salary. If his only option is overseas, he won't even be able to see any of them.

PG is the hardest position to translate into as a pro.

If this was Ryan Arcidiacono, everyone here would be saying the exact same thing.

Sheed's pro prospects are way better than pizza face's.

That's not the point.

People act like it's an SJU bias.

If you heard a kid wasn't ready to declare regardless of his school, you'd feel the same way.

 

[fun]

So you think Jordan is going to be a lawyer or Doctor?
Jordan is going to college to pursue his career of choice which is basketball. If you went to Harvard Law and the Law firm of Dewy Cheatem and Howe came to you and said we would like to hire you right after your Junior year at our firm. Would you say no? Of Course not.

Could Jordan potentially make more and set himself up better by staying? Maybe. But it is not guaranteed. Jordan has to do what is best for him. And you have no idea what that is.That is my point.
You want him to stay for the same reason I do. That other stuff you posted is pretty silly.

Reggie Carter became an assistant principal in Mineola after he graduated and his playing days were over.

Wayne McKoy, a very poor student himself, is now a HS principal.

Curtis Redding left here with nothing, and last I heard was a security guard in a low paying job.
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Shariff Fordham stayed four years and ended up in prison. So did Jayson Williams. Therefore no one should stay in college four years.

So much for anecdotal evidence.