This is the first time opened this thread because I felt his life choice and what happened was his his own, not ours. But having seen this for about a week, I thought about when he first came to St. John's with all that potential and I would have seen this topic as a future discussion when he was released from the NBA. How life has changed--everyone deserves a second chance. I hope he gets one and takes proper advantage of it.
Rysheed Jordan Release
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[quote="panther2" post=366216]I have a question for everyone. Basketball may or may not be over for Rysheed, no one really knows. However, if he were to decide that he wanted to return to St. Johns and pursue a Degree in Human Service and Counseling, how would you feel.? Would anyone be adverse to the school offering him financial aid? Would anyone involved in Health Care offer him an Internship or Summer employment?[/quote]
Paid a price and given the enormous challenges he faced, I think he deserves a 2nd chance.
Paid a price and given the enormous challenges he faced, I think he deserves a 2nd chance.
[quote="panther2" post=366216]I have a question for everyone. Basketball may or may not be over for Rysheed, no one really knows. However, if he were to decide that he wanted to return to St. Johns and pursue a Degree in Human Service and Counseling, how would you feel.? Would anyone be adverse to the school offering him financial aid? Would anyone involved in Health Care offer him an Internship or Summer employment?[/quote]
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I would be disappointed if StJohn's did not attempt to work with Rysheed, or any other former athlete to akkow them to obtain their degree. If the individual qualifies for financial aid then they are entitled to it.
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I would be disappointed if StJohn's did not attempt to work with Rysheed, or any other former athlete to akkow them to obtain their degree. If the individual qualifies for financial aid then they are entitled to it.
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[quote="panther2" post=366216]I have a question for everyone. Basketball may or may not be over for Rysheed, no one really knows. However, if he were to decide that he wanted to return to St. Johns and pursue a Degree in Human Service and Counseling, how would you feel.? Would anyone be adverse to the school offering him financial aid? Would anyone involved in Health Care offer him an Internship or Summer employment?[/quote] I'd be fine with it personally.. Everyone in life needs a second chance at some point for differing reasons
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=366313][quote="panther2" post=366216]I have a question for everyone. Basketball may or may not be over for Rysheed, no one really knows. However, if he were to decide that he wanted to return to St. Johns and pursue a Degree in Human Service and Counseling, how would you feel.? Would anyone be adverse to the school offering him financial aid? Would anyone involved in Health Care offer him an Internship or Summer employment?[/quote] I'd be fine with it personally.. Everyone in life needs a second chance at some point for differing reasons[/quote]
He needs guidance and a new path in life, but would he be in a dorm with other students?
They might feel uncomfortable living with someone who was charged with attempted murder.
What if he snaps for any reason?
If SJU did accept him back, I know he'd have alot of counselling sessions, gotta make sure his mind is right.
He needs guidance and a new path in life, but would he be in a dorm with other students?
They might feel uncomfortable living with someone who was charged with attempted murder.
What if he snaps for any reason?
If SJU did accept him back, I know he'd have alot of counselling sessions, gotta make sure his mind is right.
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[quote="panther2" post=366216]I have a question for everyone. Basketball may or may not be over for Rysheed, no one really knows. However, if he were to decide that he wanted to return to St. Johns and pursue a Degree in Human Service and Counseling, how would you feel.? Would anyone be adverse to the school offering him financial aid? Would anyone involved in Health Care offer him an Internship or Summer employment?[/quote]
Panther, I'm pretty sure weve allowed former players to come back and finish degrees. I don't think an official policy exists but my take is that sju has always looked after men's bb players in this way.
Despite rysheed leaving after 2 years I'd be all for it provided he met certain conditions of behavior set.
It's a really strange situation, compared to say Jayson. Jayson killed a man, allegedly acting like an out of control ass trying to do something funny or to scare the guy. Rysheed pulled the trigger with a different intent. Whose act was worse based on intent?
Panther, I know you have a big heart for our players, as do I, and I admire that about you. If we are sincere in caring about them as humans and not commodities, we should all feel that way.
Panther, I'm pretty sure weve allowed former players to come back and finish degrees. I don't think an official policy exists but my take is that sju has always looked after men's bb players in this way.
Despite rysheed leaving after 2 years I'd be all for it provided he met certain conditions of behavior set.
It's a really strange situation, compared to say Jayson. Jayson killed a man, allegedly acting like an out of control ass trying to do something funny or to scare the guy. Rysheed pulled the trigger with a different intent. Whose act was worse based on intent?
Panther, I know you have a big heart for our players, as do I, and I admire that about you. If we are sincere in caring about them as humans and not commodities, we should all feel that way.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=366319][quote="panther2" post=366216]I have a question for everyone. Basketball may or may not be over for Rysheed, no one really knows. However, if he were to decide that he wanted to return to St. Johns and pursue a Degree in Human Service and Counseling, how would you feel.? Would anyone be adverse to the school offering him financial aid? Would anyone involved in Health Care offer him an Internship or Summer employment?[/quote]
Panther, I'm pretty sure weve allowed former players to come back and finish degrees. I don't think an official policy exists but my take is that sju has always looked after men's bb players in this way.
Despite rysheed leaving after 2 years I'd be all for it provided he met certain conditions of behavior set.
It's a really strange situation, compared to say Jayson. Jayson killed a man, allegedly acting like an out of control ass trying to do something funny or to scare the guy. Rysheed pulled the trigger with a different intent. Whose act was worse based on intent?
Panther, I know you have a big heart for our players, as do I, and I admire that about you. If we are sincere in caring about them as humans and not commodities, we should all feel that way.[/quote]
Question for you and everyone Beast; shouldn't any former SJU student(not just a basketball player) be given a second chance by the school provided they meet certain conditions?
Panther, I'm pretty sure weve allowed former players to come back and finish degrees. I don't think an official policy exists but my take is that sju has always looked after men's bb players in this way.
Despite rysheed leaving after 2 years I'd be all for it provided he met certain conditions of behavior set.
It's a really strange situation, compared to say Jayson. Jayson killed a man, allegedly acting like an out of control ass trying to do something funny or to scare the guy. Rysheed pulled the trigger with a different intent. Whose act was worse based on intent?
Panther, I know you have a big heart for our players, as do I, and I admire that about you. If we are sincere in caring about them as humans and not commodities, we should all feel that way.[/quote]
Question for you and everyone Beast; shouldn't any former SJU student(not just a basketball player) be given a second chance by the school provided they meet certain conditions?
I have shared this before; decades ago I attended a one day HS coaches clinic culminating in a dinner. It was attended by about 40-50 coaches and Al McGuire worked the clinic and spoke at the dinner. Part of his talk addressed the responsibilities schools have to their athletes and suggested that colleges should extend scholarships way past the years of athletic eligibility in order for athletes to get “real” degrees (remember, this was at a time when all players stayed for four years). More interestingly to me, he also suggested that schools set up organized “tutoring classes” primarily manned with students interested in entering the teaching professions to educate athletes from the level appropriate to their prior education in order to realistically improve their chances of eventually getting a legitimate degree. Obviously it never went anywhere but I have never forgot how insightful and common sensical it was. He also suggested such a concept, starting with sports, could be branched out to help other potential college candidates; he described it as possibly the seedlings to grow into a “domestic educational corps” or something to that affect, patterned after the Peace Corps. For any who knew or know of Al McGuire, he was a brilliant, street smart, free thinker who was so much more than just basketball.
As to panther’s question, I look on that in a more hypothetical sense than just Rysheed Jordan. I am in favor of second chances, my caveat being if the recipients go through the vetting others have described and are deemed worthy, that they be not only realistically assisted to better their chances of succeeding but also monitored stringently to ensure they are putting in the effort required to better themselves and not just abuse the second opportunity as they did the first one.
As to panther’s question, I look on that in a more hypothetical sense than just Rysheed Jordan. I am in favor of second chances, my caveat being if the recipients go through the vetting others have described and are deemed worthy, that they be not only realistically assisted to better their chances of succeeding but also monitored stringently to ensure they are putting in the effort required to better themselves and not just abuse the second opportunity as they did the first one.
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beast of the east
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[quote="Monte" post=366321][quote="Beast of the East" post=366319][quote="panther2" post=366216]I have a question for everyone. Basketball may or may not be over for Rysheed, no one really knows. However, if he were to decide that he wanted to return to St. Johns and pursue a Degree in Human Service and Counseling, how would you feel.? Would anyone be adverse to the school offering him financial aid? Would anyone involved in Health Care offer him an Internship or Summer employment?[/quote]
Panther, I'm pretty sure weve allowed former players to come back and finish degrees. I don't think an official policy exists but my take is that sju has always looked after men's bb players in this way.
Despite rysheed leaving after 2 years I'd be all for it provided he met certain conditions of behavior set.
It's a really strange situation, compared to say Jayson. Jayson killed a man, allegedly acting like an out of control ass trying to do something funny or to scare the guy. Rysheed pulled the trigger with a different intent. Whose act was worse based on intent?
Panther, I know you have a big heart for our players, as do I, and I admire that about you. If we are sincere in caring about them as humans and not commodities, we should all feel that way.[/quote]
Question for you and everyone Beast; shouldn't any former SJU student(not just a basketball player) be given a second chance by the school provided they meet certain conditions?[/quote]
Monte, one of our common bonds as you know is your hs experience. In my opinion, there may not be a finer place anywhere. My son thrived there and you also hold the school in esteem.
There are certain things that your hs regards as an egregious offense that warrants expulsion. In late May of my son's freshman year, about 10 kids got expelled for stealing from the cafeteria, including some seniors just weeks away from graduation.
I questioned the harshness of this to my son, who as he has done many times in my life, taught his parent well. (CSNY)
"No Dad, the punishment wasn't excessive. Many times during the school year we are warned about not stealing a $14,000 muffin or hamburger (then the cost of tuition). They made it clear that there was a price for stealing and these kids chose to ignore it."
As I may have shared with you, the reason I was sold on your hs when we went to the open house was their position on discipline and mercy, and excusing a kid from harsh consequences when circumstances dictate it.
I'm in favor of redemption but the path for those seeking it must be arduous but attainable.
You'd better ask my son Monte, a fellow Son of Xavier. You'd get a response with more wisdom than mine.
Panther, I'm pretty sure weve allowed former players to come back and finish degrees. I don't think an official policy exists but my take is that sju has always looked after men's bb players in this way.
Despite rysheed leaving after 2 years I'd be all for it provided he met certain conditions of behavior set.
It's a really strange situation, compared to say Jayson. Jayson killed a man, allegedly acting like an out of control ass trying to do something funny or to scare the guy. Rysheed pulled the trigger with a different intent. Whose act was worse based on intent?
Panther, I know you have a big heart for our players, as do I, and I admire that about you. If we are sincere in caring about them as humans and not commodities, we should all feel that way.[/quote]
Question for you and everyone Beast; shouldn't any former SJU student(not just a basketball player) be given a second chance by the school provided they meet certain conditions?[/quote]
Monte, one of our common bonds as you know is your hs experience. In my opinion, there may not be a finer place anywhere. My son thrived there and you also hold the school in esteem.
There are certain things that your hs regards as an egregious offense that warrants expulsion. In late May of my son's freshman year, about 10 kids got expelled for stealing from the cafeteria, including some seniors just weeks away from graduation.
I questioned the harshness of this to my son, who as he has done many times in my life, taught his parent well. (CSNY)
"No Dad, the punishment wasn't excessive. Many times during the school year we are warned about not stealing a $14,000 muffin or hamburger (then the cost of tuition). They made it clear that there was a price for stealing and these kids chose to ignore it."
As I may have shared with you, the reason I was sold on your hs when we went to the open house was their position on discipline and mercy, and excusing a kid from harsh consequences when circumstances dictate it.
I'm in favor of redemption but the path for those seeking it must be arduous but attainable.
You'd better ask my son Monte, a fellow Son of Xavier. You'd get a response with more wisdom than mine.
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It’s an interesting debate. But college isn’t for everyone. Sheed didn’t attend classes his final year at SJU, and never showed an interest in academics. Like a previous poster said, he may be better off at a trade school. Although if possible playing BB overseas would be his best bet.
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[quote="panther2" post=366216]I have a question for everyone. Basketball may or may not be over for Rysheed, no one really knows. However, if he were to decide that he wanted to return to St. Johns and pursue a Degree in Human Service and Counseling, how would you feel.? Would anyone be adverse to the school offering him financial aid? Would anyone involved in Health Care offer him an Internship or Summer employment?[/quote]
I would hope he would. I don’t like to get into my personal life but as a brotha who grew up in the inner city like Rysheed ( Pomonk projects) I can tell you for a fact leaving the street life is a lot harder than it seems. I lost my cousin Jovan execution style in Fort Greene park in Brooklyn and one of my best friends Kevin daughtery was shot in the head for a game of basketball, sadly both times I thought about getting a gun myself but I never had the heart to pull it. So I do sympathize a little with Rysheed even though it’s no excuse. I really believe a college degree from SJU can turn his life around.
I would hope he would. I don’t like to get into my personal life but as a brotha who grew up in the inner city like Rysheed ( Pomonk projects) I can tell you for a fact leaving the street life is a lot harder than it seems. I lost my cousin Jovan execution style in Fort Greene park in Brooklyn and one of my best friends Kevin daughtery was shot in the head for a game of basketball, sadly both times I thought about getting a gun myself but I never had the heart to pull it. So I do sympathize a little with Rysheed even though it’s no excuse. I really believe a college degree from SJU can turn his life around.
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[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=366350]It’s an interesting debate. But college isn’t for everyone. Sheed didn’t attend classes his final year at SJU, and never showed an interest in academics. Like a previous poster said, he may be better off at a trade school. Although if possible playing BB overseas would be his best bet.[/quote]
Two stories Rich.
When I was at Bronx Psychiatric we set up a program to train people recovering from substance use disorders who had achieved treatment stability and wanted to learn counseling skills. We taught co-occurring disorder counseling, how to work with people facing both mental illness and substance use problems. We wound up putting more than 500 recovering people with both clinical training and street smarts in to the workforce. The sweetest moment for each class was always when a student would come back to the weekly clinical skills workshop and be at a loss for words. When we asked what happened the answer usually amounted to their first experience of being in clinical rounds where the staff reviews cases and when they got to substance use issues they turned to the intern and asked "what do you think?" Those first moments of what had always been a stigma and a burden now being treated as an asset by a professional staff can change self-concept.
The second story. My closest friend has seven grandsons and no granddaughters. One of the grandson announced that he did not want to go to college. He got a job as a Mercedes Benz mechanic. He went from there (I don't know if there is a draft) to work on Lamborghinis on the west coast and from there to working for the McClaren racing team. Last I heard he enlisted to become a Green Beret and just finished training at Ft. Benning.
Arrived by auto train yesterday and will begin plotting when we can get the Florida crew together.
Two stories Rich.
When I was at Bronx Psychiatric we set up a program to train people recovering from substance use disorders who had achieved treatment stability and wanted to learn counseling skills. We taught co-occurring disorder counseling, how to work with people facing both mental illness and substance use problems. We wound up putting more than 500 recovering people with both clinical training and street smarts in to the workforce. The sweetest moment for each class was always when a student would come back to the weekly clinical skills workshop and be at a loss for words. When we asked what happened the answer usually amounted to their first experience of being in clinical rounds where the staff reviews cases and when they got to substance use issues they turned to the intern and asked "what do you think?" Those first moments of what had always been a stigma and a burden now being treated as an asset by a professional staff can change self-concept.
The second story. My closest friend has seven grandsons and no granddaughters. One of the grandson announced that he did not want to go to college. He got a job as a Mercedes Benz mechanic. He went from there (I don't know if there is a draft) to work on Lamborghinis on the west coast and from there to working for the McClaren racing team. Last I heard he enlisted to become a Green Beret and just finished training at Ft. Benning.
Arrived by auto train yesterday and will begin plotting when we can get the Florida crew together.
beast of the east
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[quote="Sju grad 13" post=366358][quote="panther2" post=366216]I have a question for everyone. Basketball may or may not be over for Rysheed, no one really knows. However, if he were to decide that he wanted to return to St. Johns and pursue a Degree in Human Service and Counseling, how would you feel.? Would anyone be adverse to the school offering him financial aid? Would anyone involved in Health Care offer him an Internship or Summer employment?[/quote]
I would hope he would. I don’t like to get into my personal life but as a brotha who grew up in the inner city like Rysheed ( Pomonk projects) I can tell you for a fact leaving the street life is a lot harder than it seems. I lost my cousin Jovan execution style in Fort Greene park in Brooklyn and one of my best friends Kevin daughtery was shot in the head for a game of basketball, sadly both times I thought about getting a gun myself but I never had the heart to pull it. So I do sympathize a little with Rysheed even though it’s no excuse. I really believe a college degree from SJU can turn his life around.[/quote]
As always, graceful wisdom. There's a reason the streets swallow so many young men.
I would hope he would. I don’t like to get into my personal life but as a brotha who grew up in the inner city like Rysheed ( Pomonk projects) I can tell you for a fact leaving the street life is a lot harder than it seems. I lost my cousin Jovan execution style in Fort Greene park in Brooklyn and one of my best friends Kevin daughtery was shot in the head for a game of basketball, sadly both times I thought about getting a gun myself but I never had the heart to pull it. So I do sympathize a little with Rysheed even though it’s no excuse. I really believe a college degree from SJU can turn his life around.[/quote]
As always, graceful wisdom. There's a reason the streets swallow so many young men.
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Maybe Rysheed needed to hit rock bottom before he could lift himself up. As a star athlete, he's gotten a pass on a lot mistakes in his young life. Maybe this was the wake up call that he needed. Hoping that's the case. So far he seems to being the right things.
Maybe Rysheed needed to hit rock bottom before he could lift himself up. As a star athlete, he's gotten a pass on a lot mistakes in his young life. Maybe this was the wake up call that he needed. Hoping that's the case. So far he seems to being the right things.
Give him credit for trying to turn it around for himself and others
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[quote="RedStormNC" post=368568]Give him credit for trying to turn it around for himself and others
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I'm not so quick to hand out accolades. Happy if he has started the walk in the right direction. Now if the walk has begun he has to walk away from all the things that got him in the trouble. If he is really smart, he recognizes the things he has to separate himself from that destroyed his immediate future. He can't undo the things he did, but he can grow up, own up to his mistakes, and live an exemplary life. If he does those two things, whether or not he ever plays professionally in the NBA or elsewhere, he will have achieved success.
Good luck Rysheed. Everyone deserves a second chance but not everyone gets one. Make the best of this.
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I'm not so quick to hand out accolades. Happy if he has started the walk in the right direction. Now if the walk has begun he has to walk away from all the things that got him in the trouble. If he is really smart, he recognizes the things he has to separate himself from that destroyed his immediate future. He can't undo the things he did, but he can grow up, own up to his mistakes, and live an exemplary life. If he does those two things, whether or not he ever plays professionally in the NBA or elsewhere, he will have achieved success.
Good luck Rysheed. Everyone deserves a second chance but not everyone gets one. Make the best of this.