Rysheed Jordan Release
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[quote="P Simmons" post=365505][quote="SJUFAN2" post=365465][quote="Monte" post=365458]IMO the most significant thing that he can do is get the hell away from the people he used to hang out with. Easier said then done since some are likely family. Then, get counseling(he probably is already), stay clean, work on physical health/basketball skills and land a job (likely overseas). There are other things he can do to turn his life around, but I hope he starts by surrounding himself with positive influences. I wish him the best.[/quote]
I agree. Best thing he could do is get out of Philadelphia.
It seems like a million years ago, but I think that was was part of the reason he chose St Johns. It was a chance to get away from home but sadly, it seems NYC wasn't far enough away. I recall him going back there for days at a time during the season, missing game(s), getting suspended, etc. I think there were stories about his mom being ill at the time, but based on how things played out that likely wasn't the only reason he kept going home.
I sincerely hope he gets his life turned around but in hindsight, he'd have been far better off going to UCLA or some other program where he couldn't drive home whenever he felt like it.[/quote]
During his time at SJU, his aunt was murdered, his best friend was murdered, his mother fell ill and Rysheed, as the oldest of something like 7 or 8 kids, had to play the father role, since there was no father In the picture. And all of this happened when was 19, 20 years old.
Did he screw up in a big way? Yes. Has he paid a big price? Yes.
He deserves a second chance and I hope he gets it.[/quote]
I'm in favor of 2nd chances. I hope he gets one. But he doesn't deserve one here, even if he were eligible.
I agree. Best thing he could do is get out of Philadelphia.
It seems like a million years ago, but I think that was was part of the reason he chose St Johns. It was a chance to get away from home but sadly, it seems NYC wasn't far enough away. I recall him going back there for days at a time during the season, missing game(s), getting suspended, etc. I think there were stories about his mom being ill at the time, but based on how things played out that likely wasn't the only reason he kept going home.
I sincerely hope he gets his life turned around but in hindsight, he'd have been far better off going to UCLA or some other program where he couldn't drive home whenever he felt like it.[/quote]
During his time at SJU, his aunt was murdered, his best friend was murdered, his mother fell ill and Rysheed, as the oldest of something like 7 or 8 kids, had to play the father role, since there was no father In the picture. And all of this happened when was 19, 20 years old.
Did he screw up in a big way? Yes. Has he paid a big price? Yes.
He deserves a second chance and I hope he gets it.[/quote]
I'm in favor of 2nd chances. I hope he gets one. But he doesn't deserve one here, even if he were eligible.
Rysheed, himself, will play a factor in whether he gets a "second chance". Those opportunities usually start with honest reflection, conscious decision making, and earning the trust of those who are in a position to issue opportunity.
I do wish him change and good fortune. That fortune may look different than the fortune he originally imagined, but he has a whole life in front of him. May he find pleasure in family, friends, interesting work and good health.
I do wish him change and good fortune. That fortune may look different than the fortune he originally imagined, but he has a whole life in front of him. May he find pleasure in family, friends, interesting work and good health.
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[quote="Monte" post=365458]IMO the most significant thing that he can do is get the hell away from the people he used to hang out with. Easier said then done since some are likely family. Then, get counseling(he probably is already), stay clean, work on physical health/basketball skills and land a job (likely overseas). There are other things he can do to turn his life around, but I hope he starts by surrounding himself with positive influences. I wish him the best.[/quote]
Monte, it sucks but truth, sometimes you just gotta say F family, unless you (you as in general) have a dad like greg Williams sr, or a dad like Roberts dad. They seem like good men.
What Rysheed needed to do was have very little contact with friends and fams while at sju, and if they cut you off the to hell with them.
Just be your own man and you do you, yeah that's hard to do when you grew up with them from a little boy to a grown man, but when you get drafted and you're living your dream as a little boy, damn it's all well worth it.
Monte, it sucks but truth, sometimes you just gotta say F family, unless you (you as in general) have a dad like greg Williams sr, or a dad like Roberts dad. They seem like good men.
What Rysheed needed to do was have very little contact with friends and fams while at sju, and if they cut you off the to hell with them.
Just be your own man and you do you, yeah that's hard to do when you grew up with them from a little boy to a grown man, but when you get drafted and you're living your dream as a little boy, damn it's all well worth it.
[quote="Redzone" post=365590]What an absolutely stupid post. Attempted murder charge is not a petty crime. Stop with the Poor Rysheed, great player BS. He got what he deserved. And he will be in the states custody again before you know it.[/quote]
while yes, he did get what he deserved, a little “douchey” to say he will be back there before you know it.
How about we just hope that this experience the past couple years was a lesson learned for Rysheed and he uses it to better himself every day. This is why prison sentences don’t always last forever, because we hope as a society they can learn from mistakes and reintegrate themselves into the free world and do a better job this time around.
Sounds like you think he has no chance of changing his ways, i for one am hoping he can do it.
while yes, he did get what he deserved, a little “douchey” to say he will be back there before you know it.
How about we just hope that this experience the past couple years was a lesson learned for Rysheed and he uses it to better himself every day. This is why prison sentences don’t always last forever, because we hope as a society they can learn from mistakes and reintegrate themselves into the free world and do a better job this time around.
Sounds like you think he has no chance of changing his ways, i for one am hoping he can do it.
[quote="Redzone" post=365616]Fair enough. But, I have my reasons. My thoughts are with the victims of crime. If that's "douchy" that's fine. He F'd up. He will again IMO.[/quote]
Let’s try to refrain from denegrating Rysheed. Yes he made some big mistakes but let’s all wish him well and if you can’t I suggest you skip this post. I would truly hate to see this thread locked. That would be a sad indicator of the posters and not Rysheed considering he left the school 4.5 years ago.
Let’s try to refrain from denegrating Rysheed. Yes he made some big mistakes but let’s all wish him well and if you can’t I suggest you skip this post. I would truly hate to see this thread locked. That would be a sad indicator of the posters and not Rysheed considering he left the school 4.5 years ago.
[quote="Tom H O'Toole" post=365570][quote="Monte" post=365458]IMO the most significant thing that he can do is get the hell away from the people he used to hang out with. Easier said then done since some are likely family. Then, get counseling(he probably is already), stay clean, work on physical health/basketball skills and land a job (likely overseas). There are other things he can do to turn his life around, but I hope he starts by surrounding himself with positive influences. I wish him the best.[/quote]
Monte, it sucks but truth, sometimes you just gotta say F family, unless you (you as in general) have a dad like greg Williams sr, or a dad like Roberts dad. They seem like good men.
What Rysheed needed to do was have very little contact with friends and fams while at sju, and if they cut you off the to hell with them.
Just be your own man and you do you, yeah that's hard to do when you grew up with them from a little boy to a grown man, but when you get drafted and you're living your dream as a little boy, damn it's all well worth it.[/quote]
Agree completely Tom, and that is exactly what I had to do as I made my way through college and in to the business world. Most of my friends(and some family) from my old neighborhood, Bushwick, had dropped out of high school. By the time I had graduated SJU, many of them had done time, were hooked on drugs, were unemployed, etc. I knew I had to distance myself from them if I was going to accomplish anything in life, but it wasn’t easy. Naturally some of them resented me for it. IE “oh, you’re too good for us now“, etc. Just hope Rysheed understands the importance of surrounding himself with positive influences, or his story will have a very sad ending.
Monte, it sucks but truth, sometimes you just gotta say F family, unless you (you as in general) have a dad like greg Williams sr, or a dad like Roberts dad. They seem like good men.
What Rysheed needed to do was have very little contact with friends and fams while at sju, and if they cut you off the to hell with them.
Just be your own man and you do you, yeah that's hard to do when you grew up with them from a little boy to a grown man, but when you get drafted and you're living your dream as a little boy, damn it's all well worth it.[/quote]
Agree completely Tom, and that is exactly what I had to do as I made my way through college and in to the business world. Most of my friends(and some family) from my old neighborhood, Bushwick, had dropped out of high school. By the time I had graduated SJU, many of them had done time, were hooked on drugs, were unemployed, etc. I knew I had to distance myself from them if I was going to accomplish anything in life, but it wasn’t easy. Naturally some of them resented me for it. IE “oh, you’re too good for us now“, etc. Just hope Rysheed understands the importance of surrounding himself with positive influences, or his story will have a very sad ending.
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I think you can be somewhere in the middle here. No this should not be treated like a petty crime and any attempt to do so is only because he played with SJ on his uniform. At the same time I'm hopeful he can turn things around. Recidivism is around 65% in NYC so odds may be against him staying out of trouble now, but I truly hope he can find the light. I saw a video of him on Twitter talking to some kids already saying something like, "Don't do that dumb sh*t...I did that...look at me look what happened to me. You don't want that life". This was in the last day or two. So that's great to see some reflection. I hope he can stay out of trouble and he will need to ditch his old Why Not crew. Find a positive crew to roll with.
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JohnnyFever
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[quote="SJU14" post=365630]This is a good start:
[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/B5lqnvGBUbf/?igshid[/URL]=1jmxu2n321z8v[/quote]
Not to divert the conversation here, but in the inner-cities it needs to be modeled by more people that "cool" means getting into good schools, getting good grades, getting degrees, getting a nice career, and taking care of your family. As someone who grew up on hip hop (though I couldn't relate to a lot of the lyrics but had respect for the music), I've noticed it get much worse. You had guys like Nas and Common who were more cerebral and now you have guys who are clowns and all they do is glorify gangs, violence, drugs, selling drugs, strip clubs, murder, etc. Obviously not all of them do this, but I think it absolutely contributes to the mindset of too many youth in inner-city areas. I tell lots of teenagers that what's "cool" now is the opposite of what's "cool" when you get older. Inner-city culture is downstream directly from hip hop culture. If you want to change the perspective, you need to change the culture and what is valued. Just some thoughts. Glad to see Sheed warning others not to take the same path as him.
[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/B5lqnvGBUbf/?igshid[/URL]=1jmxu2n321z8v[/quote]
Not to divert the conversation here, but in the inner-cities it needs to be modeled by more people that "cool" means getting into good schools, getting good grades, getting degrees, getting a nice career, and taking care of your family. As someone who grew up on hip hop (though I couldn't relate to a lot of the lyrics but had respect for the music), I've noticed it get much worse. You had guys like Nas and Common who were more cerebral and now you have guys who are clowns and all they do is glorify gangs, violence, drugs, selling drugs, strip clubs, murder, etc. Obviously not all of them do this, but I think it absolutely contributes to the mindset of too many youth in inner-city areas. I tell lots of teenagers that what's "cool" now is the opposite of what's "cool" when you get older. Inner-city culture is downstream directly from hip hop culture. If you want to change the perspective, you need to change the culture and what is valued. Just some thoughts. Glad to see Sheed warning others not to take the same path as him.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=365665][quote="SJU14" post=365630]This is a good start:
[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/B5lqnvGBUbf/?igshid[/URL]=1jmxu2n321z8v[/quote]
Not to divert the conversation here, but in the inner-cities it needs to be modeled by more people that "cool" means getting into good schools, getting good grades, getting degrees, getting a nice career, and taking care of your family. As someone who grew up on hip hop (though I couldn't relate to a lot of the lyrics but had respect for the music), I've noticed it get much worse. You had guys like Nas and Common who were more cerebral and now you have guys who are clowns and all they do is glorify gangs, violence, drugs, selling drugs, strip clubs, murder, etc. Obviously not all of them do this, but I think it absolutely contributes to the mindset of too many youth in inner-city areas. I tell lots of teenagers that what's "cool" now is the opposite of what's "cool" when you get older. Inner-city culture is downstream directly from hip hop culture. If you want to change the perspective, you need to change the culture and what is valued. Just some thoughts. Glad to see Sheed warning others not to take the same path as him.[/quote]
Not to get further off topic, but as someone with exposure to the music industry, that's not going to happen. The entertainment industry is focused on making money and not what's good for society. So if something is selling well, they will continue to push it, without regard for the consequences downstream.
[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/B5lqnvGBUbf/?igshid[/URL]=1jmxu2n321z8v[/quote]
Not to divert the conversation here, but in the inner-cities it needs to be modeled by more people that "cool" means getting into good schools, getting good grades, getting degrees, getting a nice career, and taking care of your family. As someone who grew up on hip hop (though I couldn't relate to a lot of the lyrics but had respect for the music), I've noticed it get much worse. You had guys like Nas and Common who were more cerebral and now you have guys who are clowns and all they do is glorify gangs, violence, drugs, selling drugs, strip clubs, murder, etc. Obviously not all of them do this, but I think it absolutely contributes to the mindset of too many youth in inner-city areas. I tell lots of teenagers that what's "cool" now is the opposite of what's "cool" when you get older. Inner-city culture is downstream directly from hip hop culture. If you want to change the perspective, you need to change the culture and what is valued. Just some thoughts. Glad to see Sheed warning others not to take the same path as him.[/quote]
Not to get further off topic, but as someone with exposure to the music industry, that's not going to happen. The entertainment industry is focused on making money and not what's good for society. So if something is selling well, they will continue to push it, without regard for the consequences downstream.
JohnnyFever
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Agree Room112, just a shame. You have female artists like Cardi B basically telling young girls it's cool to have no self-respect and be extremely vulgar and promiscuous. Then you have guys like Tekashi with rainbow hair, a grill, and "singing" about shooting everything up. What are the kids in these inner-city areas going to think? They look up to them. These artists are also being endorsed by mainstream talkshows like Ellen as if it's cute how Cardi B acts. Just furthers the moral decay. Kids want to relate to these artists and unfortunately try to replicate them.
I grew up with several individuals who spent time in prison for doing some terrible things. Often it was the result of drug use. I was lucky enough to have guidance from my brother to stay clear of this crew on most occasions as I got older. On some level there was some good in these people. In fact in one case it bothers me to this day why they did what they did. They all made terrible choices and deserved the punishment they got. I still have some very negative thoughts about these individuals now that they are out of prison and want nothing to do with them so I can relate to the poster who has no sympathy. On the other hand Jack said it well. Rysheed received his punishment and I hope he can be rehabilitated. At the end of the day these are sad situations and far too complex to be fully understood even when you know many of the details.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=365684]Agree Room112, just a shame. You have female artists like Cardi B basically telling young girls it's cool to have no self-respect and be extremely vulgar and promiscuous. Then you have guys like Tekashi with rainbow hair, a grill, and "singing" about shooting everything up. What are the kids in these inner-city areas going to think? They look up to them. These artists are also being endorsed by mainstream talkshows like Ellen as if it's cute how Cardi B acts. Just furthers the moral decay. Kids want to relate to these artists and unfortunately try to replicate them.[/quote]
Which is why we are lucky to be able to say J Cole is an alum of this university. He is a good role model and a good dude
Which is why we are lucky to be able to say J Cole is an alum of this university. He is a good role model and a good dude
JohnnyFever
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[quote="Jack Williams" post=365686][quote="Mike Zaun" post=365684]Agree Room112, just a shame. You have female artists like Cardi B basically telling young girls it's cool to have no self-respect and be extremely vulgar and promiscuous. Then you have guys like Tekashi with rainbow hair, a grill, and "singing" about shooting everything up. What are the kids in these inner-city areas going to think? They look up to them. These artists are also being endorsed by mainstream talkshows like Ellen as if it's cute how Cardi B acts. Just furthers the moral decay. Kids want to relate to these artists and unfortunately try to replicate them.[/quote]
Which is why we are lucky to be able to say J Cole is an alum of this university. He is a good role model and a good dude[/quote]
Yes, and even if I don't agree with many of his views, at least he says so in a respectful manner and is not trying to do the stupid trap garbage so many rappers are these days. He's clearly a smart guy and tries to uplift instead of glorify garbage.
Which is why we are lucky to be able to say J Cole is an alum of this university. He is a good role model and a good dude[/quote]
Yes, and even if I don't agree with many of his views, at least he says so in a respectful manner and is not trying to do the stupid trap garbage so many rappers are these days. He's clearly a smart guy and tries to uplift instead of glorify garbage.
[quote="Andrew" post=365685]I grew up with several individuals who spent time in prison for doing some terrible things. Often it was the result of drug use. I was lucky enough to have guidance from my brother to stay clear of this crew on most occasions as I got older. On some level there was some good in these people. In fact in one case it bothers me to this day why they did what they did. They all made terrible choices and deserved the punishment they got. I still have some very negative thoughts about these individuals now that they are out of prison and want nothing to do with them so I can relate to the poster who has no sympathy. On the other hand Jack said it well. Rysheed received his punishment and I hope he can be rehabilitated. At the end of the day these are sad situations and far too complex to be fully understood even when you know many of the details.[/quote]
I think a point that many people miss is that a rehabilitated Rysheed is not only good for Rysheed, but it’s good for society.
I think a point that many people miss is that a rehabilitated Rysheed is not only good for Rysheed, but it’s good for society.