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Good idea that maybe Trimble should redshirt.
Also good that he stays, if he's okay with fewer mins / game for 1 year.
Last year he played in 32 games and averaged 17.3mins/game.
With the additions of Dixon and Figueroa, I doubt he gets that much PT in 2018-19; if Heron plays, no way he gets that amount of time.
If CM plays the likes of Ponds, Simon, Heron, Figueroa, Clark 25 mins / game, Dixon and Keita average 20 mins / game--that's 165 minutes in a 200 minute total game (40 x 5).
So, 35 minutes--or less are left (should the top 5 guys play more) to go among Trimble, Williams, Roberts and Earlington.
I think he can be a good player and has a role to play.
I want him to stay.
The law of the numbers would seem to indicate less PT for Bryan in 2018-19.
So, he may want to redshirt. That may be a great solution to the problem. Thanks cappy.
Just sayin'.
Please do not shoot the messenger.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=287312][quote="Logen" post=287310][quote="Paultzman" post=287285][quote="Logen" post=287282]No, I don’t disagree he would be an asset. He would be, hence the statement I would have no problem were he hired. But you and others act like he would be some kind of savior driving the never ending innuendo criticism of this staff, who I personally think have done a good job getting us to mediocrity so quickly. They need to take the next step of course but I see no reason the staff has to change. And no one has presented any real reasons to change except that we haven’t progressed fast enough for their fancy. Oh, yes, table sitting, and letting assistants sometimes run huddles, which can be a relatively common occurrence if one bothered to observe other teams huddles. So my comment was directed more at posters who seem obsessed with Rice, the (I think) over the top criticism of this staff, and the almost complete lack of recognition of what this staff has accomplished, yes accomplished, in what I consider, two years. Yes, Rice is a fine coach and should we decide to hire him, he would be an asset. But I know how quickly you will all start criticizing him when he doesn’t bring the Jersey stars with him because that’s really what it is about for you and others. Maybe if you did some digging yourself and didn’t trust the “key posters” so much.[/quote]
I think Mike R would be an asset, not an instant game changer, but am certainly open to other experienced guys as well.

I assume your dig is directed at me. Btw, Rice had an college opportunity not so long ago that would have necessitated moving from East Coast. He however wants to avoid uprooting family. This comes from a buddy who knows him personally.


Lastly, Mullin has had many conversations with Rice over the past year on campus and otherwise as I understand. My educated impression is Rice would love to come here for obvious reasons.

Ultimately it is Chris’ choice to make staff change or not & make a any decision on who to hire. I will support his decision and won’t get crazy if he stands pat.[/quote]

Not at all, I recognize and appreciate all you do for this site. I also notice and agree with the fact that you almost always caveat what you hear and share. Very few times have you shared anything as an absolute and again, I perfectly well understand why you do that, it is the intelligent and prudent approach to take. Nothing is something until the ink is drying. My dig, as it were, is to those posters who take everything you post as gospel and try to find blame, usually directed at Mullin, if it doesn’t happen. It is also in my contrary nature to naturally bristle at terms like “key posters”. I sincerely apologize if you thought I was digging you, this site is not much without you, and if I had a gun to my head to name a “key poster” it would certainly be you.[/quote]
Appreciate the response & apologize for my sensitivity on this one.[/quote]

No apology necessary, it is not like I don’t kind of bring that type of reaction on myself. I know I can be a complete a**hole, albeit a sonewhat self aware one.
 
[quote="Eric" post=287177]Loving how this off season has progressed. I love the idea of this team and hope they all gel and I wont say where I think we will be ranked as the potential for me is extremely high.

Not sure where to ask this question so I will just throw it in here. Any of our basketball gurus who follow high school ball know anything about a sophomore named Trayvon alexander? scheduled for 2020 graduation plays for friends academy. I am presently treating his grandfather and we were talking college hoops and he told me about him. I watched his mix tape which was very impressive. He is short but I'm sure will grow some more.[/quote]

Please be careful of HIPAA regs. My wife treated family of STJ player and I do not disclose such info.
 
[quote="Logen" post=287282]No, I don’t disagree he would be an asset. He would be, hence the statement I would have no problem were he hired. But you and others act like he would be some kind of savior driving the never ending innuendo criticism of this staff, who I personally think have done a good job getting us to mediocrity so quickly. They need to take the next step of course but I see no reason the staff has to change. And no one has presented any real reasons to change except that we haven’t progressed fast enough for their fancy. Oh, yes, table sitting, and letting assistants sometimes run huddles, which can be a relatively common occurrence if one bothered to observe other teams huddles. So my comment was directed more at posters who seem obsessed with Rice, the (I think) over the top criticism of this staff, and the almost complete lack of recognition of what this staff has accomplished, yes accomplished, in what I consider, two years. Yes, Rice is a fine coach and should we decide to hire him, he would be an asset. But I know how quickly you will all start criticizing him when he doesn’t bring the Jersey stars with him because that’s really what it is about for you and others. Maybe if you did some digging yourself and didn’t trust the “key posters” so much.[/quote]

Don't think I ever said Mike Rice would be a 'savior' to the program, nor do I think he has the likes of Whitney, Igiehon, Gaffney or other top Jersey players in his satchel, were he to join the staff.
I do think he would be an asset to the program and a good addition to the Staff because of his knowledge of the game, his links to the AAU people in the Northeast, and the energy and enthusiasm he would bring to help St. John's revive its great tradition.
I also never maligned the Staff. I'm a big Mullin supporter.
That's it.
 
[quote="Logen" post=287313][quote="mjmaherjr" post=287295][quote="SI1996" post=287288][quote="Logen" post=287282]No, I don’t disagree he would be an asset. He would be, hence the statement I would have no problem were he hired. But you and others act like he would be some kind of savior driving the never ending innuendo criticism of this staff, who I personally think have done a good job getting us to mediocrity so quickly. They need to take the next step of course but I see no reason the staff has to change. And no one has presented any real reasons to change except that we haven’t progressed fast enough for their fancy. Oh, yes, table sitting, and letting assistants sometimes run huddles, which can be a relatively common occurrence if one bothered to observe other teams huddles. So my comment was directed more at posters who seem obsessed with Rice, the (I think) over the top criticism of this staff, and the almost complete lack of recognition of what this staff has accomplished, yes accomplished, in what I consider, two years. Yes, Rice is a fine coach and should we decide to hire him, he would be an asset. But I know how quickly you will all start criticizing him when he doesn’t bring the Jersey stars with him because that’s really what it is about for you and others. Maybe if you did some digging yourself and didn’t trust the “key posters” so much.[/quote] You should take your own advice and do some digging yourself cause that 'key poster' never mentioned Rice being a guarantee pipeline. Like yourself, maybe he feels Rice would bring value to the program as a coach and if recruits follow all the better? For all the insane chat on this forum, to call out that 'key poster' is just crazy.[/quote] Certainly a hope of mine it would be he could get some Jersey players over the next few years but Panther2 eloquently wrote a big post on Rice a month or 2 ago about not just his connections with his kids now but how he has built a ton of relationships with AAU people and others over the years. So what I would hope to get from a Rice hire is also a second recruiter who is out all the time in gyms etc using all the connections he has built over the years helping do the legwork

I only see benefits from having someone with a lot of connections like Panther had mentioned plus someone who has a lot of experience in coaching in general. I'd be open to other people as well but I definitely dont see a lot of negatives with Rice as an assistant coach[/quote]

ALL I said was that Rice is not the savior as many here seem to think. I also agreed that he would be an ASSET were he hired. I never offered a single negative to his hiring other than the overblown expectations (IMO) of the players he would bring with him. Sorry if that was not understood but that is CLEARLY what I wrote. Maybe you can ask Panther if he thinks Lewis and Antoine would come to SJU if Rice comes.[/quote] What did I not clearly understand of what you wrote ?

My post was explaining why I'd be for a Mike Rice hire and my own personal reasoning and I definitely wouldn't be knocking him if he didnt deliver his current stud players
 
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Chicago Days wrote:Good idea that maybe Trimble should redshirt.
Also good that he stays, if he's okay with fewer mins / game for 1 year.
Last year he played in 32 games and averaged 17.3mins/game.
With the additions of Dixon and Figueroa, I doubt he gets that much PT in 2018-19; if Heron plays, no way he gets that amount of time.
If CM plays the likes of Ponds, Simon, Heron, Figueroa, Clark 25 mins / game, Dixon and Keita average 20 mins / game--that's 165 minutes in a 200 minute total game (40 x 5).
So, 35 minutes--or less are left (should the top 5 guys play more) to go among Trimble, Williams, Roberts and Earlington.
I think he can be a good player and has a role to play.
I want him to stay.
The law of the numbers would seem to indicate less PT for Bryan in 2018-19.
So, he may want to redshirt. That may be a great solution to the problem. Thanks cappy.
Just sayin'.
Please do not shoot the messenger.



Chicago, I respect you a great deal as a poster and one who is generally optimistic and positive. In this case though, I disagree with all this speculation regarding transferring/redshirting. Just do not see what purpose it serves. We know some of the kids likely read these sites. Can't we let them enjoy the good fortune and press the Johnnies are getting w/o speculating about players not getting playing time, transferring etc.? Sorry for being contrary, but I just find this kind of stuff frustrating and counterproductive.
Personally, I'd expect Trimble to be eighth man in the rotation if MH can play with similar minutes to last year and a very important 7th man if MH can't play this year, which if course is still a very real possibility.
 
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=287321]Chicago Days wrote:Good idea that maybe Trimble should redshirt.
Also good that he stays, if he's okay with fewer mins / game for 1 year.
Last year he played in 32 games and averaged 17.3mins/game.
With the additions of Dixon and Figueroa, I doubt he gets that much PT in 2018-19; if Heron plays, no way he gets that amount of time.
If CM plays the likes of Ponds, Simon, Heron, Figueroa, Clark 25 mins / game, Dixon and Keita average 20 mins / game--that's 165 minutes in a 200 minute total game (40 x 5).
So, 35 minutes--or less are left (should the top 5 guys play more) to go among Trimble, Williams, Roberts and Earlington.
I think he can be a good player and has a role to play.
I want him to stay.
The law of the numbers would seem to indicate less PT for Bryan in 2018-19.
So, he may want to redshirt. That may be a great solution to the problem. Thanks cappy.
Just sayin'.
Please do not shoot the messenger.



Chicago, I respect you a great deal as a poster and one who is generally optimistic and positive. In this case though, I disagree with all this speculation regarding transferring/redshirting. Just do not see what purpose it serves. We know some of the kids likely read these sites. Can't we let them enjoy the good fortune and press the Johnnies are getting w/o speculating about players not getting playing time, transferring etc.? Sorry for being contrary, but I just find this kind of stuff frustrating and counterproductive.
Personally, I'd expect Trimble to be eighth man in the rotation if MH can play with similar minutes to last year and a very important 7th man if MH can't play this year, which if course is still a very real possibility.[/quote]

Okay, NCJohnnie, I am also excited about our prospects for 2018-19–particularly if Heron plays—and I like Trimble and believe he’s a valuable player.
I can get carried away on the numbers minutiae.
I’ll stop.
Let’s enjoy the moment.
Thanks man.
 
[quote="fuchsia" post=287317][quote="Eric" post=287177]Loving how this off season has progressed. I love the idea of this team and hope they all gel and I wont say where I think we will be ranked as the potential for me is extremely high.

Not sure where to ask this question so I will just throw it in here. Any of our basketball gurus who follow high school ball know anything about a sophomore named Trayvon alexander? scheduled for 2020 graduation plays for friends academy. I am presently treating his grandfather and we were talking college hoops and he told me about him. I watched his mix tape which was very impressive. He is short but I'm sure will grow some more.[/quote]

Please be careful of HIPAA regs. My wife treated family of STJ player and I do not disclose such info.[/quote]

All I said was I was presently treating him. Didnt say a thing about anything medical in regards to hippa being violated. It could have been We were out for ice cream and I paid. Don't think any hippa laws were violated.for treating him for ice cream.

But in all seriousness. He is aware of what I posted and how I posted it and gave me approval to do so. And so as long as a patient gives their approval no hippa laws are violated. Plus I gave no info about anything medically about him which serves no purpose anyway on here.

But I appreciate the heads up and concern
 
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[quote="Eric" post=287323][quote="fuchsia" post=287317][quote="Eric" post=287177]Loving how this off season has progressed. I love the idea of this team and hope they all gel and I wont say where I think we will be ranked as the potential for me is extremely high.

Not sure where to ask this question so I will just throw it in here. Any of our basketball gurus who follow high school ball know anything about a sophomore named Trayvon alexander? scheduled for 2020 graduation plays for friends academy. I am presently treating his grandfather and we were talking college hoops and he told me about him. I watched his mix tape which was very impressive. He is short but I'm sure will grow some more.[/quote]

Please be careful of HIPAA regs. My wife treated family of STJ player and I do not disclose such info.[/quote]

All I said was I was presently treating him. Didnt say a thing about anything medical in regards to hippa being violated. It could have been We were out for ice cream and I paid. Don't think any hippa laws were violated.for treating him for ice cream.

But in all seriousness. He is aware of what I posted and how I posted it and gave me approval to do so. And so as long as a patient gives their approval no hippa laws are violated. Plus I gave no info about anything medically about him which serves no purpose anyway on here.

But I appreciate the heads up and concern[/quote] If the kid is a good recruit I hope you ponied up for sprinkles on the ice cream :)
 
[quote="kranmars" post=287292]Can we take a deep breath, and restart. We are needling each other over the extent of what Mike Rice would contribute to the program.

We may be (finally!) at a positive tipping point for the program. Let us just enjoy a bit of happiness.[/quote]

I love this forum because I am a big fan of spaghetti westerns. I do like Rice however he is served up to us.
Regardless of the topic, we can expect responses ranging from the good, the bad and the ugly.:p

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[quote="Paultzman" post=287326]https://twitter.com/dickiev/status/1002967958723989506?s=21[/quote]


This is so sweet. Dickie V joins the chorus, just adding to the positive hype / vibes of the past week.
Incredible, unbelievable, and very enjoyable.
Here’s to that ‘perfect storm’ for St. John’s hoops, a poster alluded to the other day.
May the winds not change!
 
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And the more pundits lining up to say they think Heron’s request for a ‘hardship rule exception’ may be granted the better as well.
 
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Personally I would hope we don't red shirt Trimble and that he doesn't transfer, although I'd understand if he did. One thing we learned last year is how important depth is. Injuries happen. We're going to need Trimble. Plus I'm looking forward to seeing his improvement.
 
I have stayed out of the Mike Rice discussion but think the following -

His behavior at Rutgers which was videotaped was disturbing. While his methods seemed to have changed in AAU and high school since, I think he would have to be a significantly better candidate then anyone else who would be interested to take a chance on him.
 
[quote="Room112" post=287338]Personally I would hope we don't red shirt Trimble and that he doesn't transfer, although I'd understand if he did. One thing we learned last year is how important depth is. Injuries happen. We're going to need Trimble. Plus I'm looking forward to seeing his improvement.[/quote]



Interesting that earlier in the year we had a possible lineup of Ponds, Simon, Dixon, Clark and Keita. Then we get Fiquiroa who replaces Dixon. Now if eligible, Heron joins the starting lineup. That leaves us with some good looking subs.Could be Trimble wonders where he fits in.
 
[quote="JackofVirginia" post=287341][quote="Room112" post=287338]Personally I would hope we don't red shirt Trimble and that he doesn't transfer, although I'd understand if he did. One thing we learned last year is how important depth is. Injuries happen. We're going to need Trimble. Plus I'm looking forward to seeing his improvement.[/quote]



Interesting that earlier in the year we had a possible lineup of Ponds, Simon, Dixon, Clark and Keita. Then we get Fiquiroa who replaces Dixon. Now if eligible, Heron joins the starting lineup. That leaves us with some good looking subs.Could be Trimble wonders where he fits in.[/quote]

Every year there are a couple of 5 star players on the Kentucky roster who wonder where they fit in while not starting.
That we may have that problem with 3 star players doesn't bother me.
We may be reaching the Kentucky Light stage of the program.;)
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=287329][quote="Paultzman" post=287326]https://twitter.com/dickiev/status/1002967958723989506?s=21[/quote]


This is so sweet. Dickie V joins the chorus, just adding to the positive hype / vibes of the past week.
Incredible, unbelievable, and very enjoyable.
Here’s to that ‘perfect storm’ for St. John’s hoops, a poster alluded to the other day.
May the winds not change![/quote]

I guess he's finally gotten over Slice's firing.B)
 
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