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NC Johnnie wrote:WCJF wrote: Days - Low 90 on most nights? If we averaged in the mid 80's we'd likely be a top 5-10 offense nationally. Low 90's would be Loyola Marymont territory LOL.

There were 5 teams in the country last year who averaged 85 or more ppg; Nova was #1 at 87.1. I'd be delighted if we are a top 25 team next year with MH playing. Won't ask for more than that. Let's see how things unfold. Cause for optimism, but a lot still has to go right.

To be fair though (and to edit my own post) if you consider mid 80s to include 84 ppg, the number of teams doing that last year goes from 5 to 12 and includes Creighton & Xavier as well as Nova.
 
I could see mid to low 80s. If Heron plays we have super depth albeit smaller in size so to negate other bigs run run run
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=287655]NC Johnnie wrote:WCJF wrote: Days - Low 90 on most nights? If we averaged in the mid 80's we'd likely be a top 5-10 offense nationally. Low 90's would be Loyola Marymont territory LOL.

There were 5 teams in the country last year who averaged 85 or more ppg; Nova was #1 at 87.1. I'd be delighted if we are a top 25 team next year with MH playing. Won't ask for more than that. Let's see how things unfold. Cause for optimism, but a lot still has to go right.

To be fair though (and to edit my own post) if you consider mid 80s to include 84 ppg, the number of teams doing that last year goes from 5 to 12 and includes Creighton & Xavier as well as Nova.[/quote]

Whether we score alot or not, tough defense is going to have to be our calling card. Last year we somewhat made up for our lack of rebounding by having a big advantage in turnovers forced.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=287654][quote="Paultzman" post=287645][quote="fordham96" post=287637]There is clear momentum with the program right now especially with the signing of Heron. Could be more with what I anticipate will be a staff change soon. That momentum can and needs to be turned into some early 2018-19 recruiting success even before the season.

You don't need to play and have a good season before you can capitalize on momentum. A good season will just enhance the idea that the program is turning the corner and help even more. But July recruiting will tell us a lot about how much SJU wants to capitalize on the recent good news.[/quote]
One particular staff change could be a positive imo.[/quote]

I would think that for a staff change to occur, that roles would have to be defined, or redefined. Does Rice (or anyone else) get involved with X's and O's? If so, does that nudge St. Jean into a lower, acceptable role? Or does Rice (or any other addition) focus primarily on recruiting, where there is plenty of room for 2 or more assistants to really a beat a path to bring in top talent? We certainly don't want a repeat of year 1, where Mullin by choice or outcome was basically relegated to general manager who had a cushy seat on the scorer's table while slice and st. Jean ran the show (visually at least).

I don't know if we've discussed roles before. Would be interested in thoughts and not snipes. My concern is that is St. Jean's was not all in on such a change at this point he could depart for greener pastures (the NBA, HC at a lower rung, or assistant somewhere else)[/quote] just my opinion but with a Rice personally I’d think we’d be utilizing his experience both recruiting high school kids and his experience with practices
 
[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=287651]Days - Low 90 on most nights? If we averaged in the mid 80's we'd likely be a top 5-10 offense nationally. Low 90's would be Loyola Marymont territory LOL.[/quote]

I go by the law of the numbers: the players past #s (even discounting a touch for several key guys).
No reason imo--barring a long injury--that Ponds/Heron will not likely combine for ~34 points on average on most nights; Simon and Clark averaged about 12 pts each last year; estimating Figgy chips in an average of 12/game; Dixon 8, Keita 4 and the aggregate of Trimble/Williams/Roberts/Earlington 7 points.
That totals 89 points / game.
It bars long injuries to key guys.
I admit it may be 'unrealistic'.
Just saying that that is the 'potential' this team, with Heron and the absence of injuries may provide.
And low - mid 70s on 'off' nights.
Que sera sera.
It's all blowin' in the wind.

P.S. ...but it looks good!
 
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[quote="Room112" post=287657][quote="NCJohnnie" post=287655]NC Johnnie wrote:WCJF wrote: Days - Low 90 on most nights? If we averaged in the mid 80's we'd likely be a top 5-10 offense nationally. Low 90's would be Loyola Marymont territory LOL.

There were 5 teams in the country last year who averaged 85 or more ppg; Nova was #1 at 87.1. I'd be delighted if we are a top 25 team next year with MH playing. Won't ask for more than that. Let's see how things unfold. Cause for optimism, but a lot still has to go right.

To be fair though (and to edit my own post) if you consider mid 80s to include 84 ppg, the number of teams doing that last year goes from 5 to 12 and includes Creighton & Xavier as well as Nova.[/quote]

Whether we score alot or not, tough defense is going to have to be our calling card. Last year we somewhat made up for our lack of rebounding by having a big advantage in turnovers forced.[/quote] our defense definitely improved last year but the damn rebounding drove me nuts. More rebounds and assists
 
Nova wasn’t even close to one of the top rebounding teams last year. We aren’t gonna have it all. We are built more like Nova. Offense and excellent defense. We definitely need a lot more assists to have the offense we want. We won’t be a top rebounding team but imho it’s not essential as long as we are solid and play very good man-defense. Our game will be lots of running and gunning. We showed our defensive ability and need to get even better the whole season. No lapses like when we lost Lovett. Team rebounding and defense is key. I expect us to be a high scoring team.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=287658][quote="Beast of the East" post=287654][quote="Paultzman" post=287645][quote="fordham96" post=287637]There is clear momentum with the program right now especially with the signing of Heron. Could be more with what I anticipate will be a staff change soon. That momentum can and needs to be turned into some early 2018-19 recruiting success even before the season.

You don't need to play and have a good season before you can capitalize on momentum. A good season will just enhance the idea that the program is turning the corner and help even more. But July recruiting will tell us a lot about how much SJU wants to capitalize on the recent good news.[/quote]
One particular staff change could be a positive imo.[/quote]

I would think that for a staff change to occur, that roles would have to be defined, or redefined. Does Rice (or anyone else) get involved with X's and O's? If so, does that nudge St. Jean into a lower, acceptable role? Or does Rice (or any other addition) focus primarily on recruiting, where there is plenty of room for 2 or more assistants to really a beat a path to bring in top talent? We certainly don't want a repeat of year 1, where Mullin by choice or outcome was basically relegated to general manager who had a cushy seat on the scorer's table while slice and st. Jean ran the show (visually at least).

I don't know if we've discussed roles before. Would be interested in thoughts and not snipes. My concern is that is St. Jean's was not all in on such a change at this point he could depart for greener pastures (the NBA, HC at a lower rung, or assistant somewhere else)[/quote] just my opinion but with a Rice personally I’d think we’d be utilizing his experience both recruiting high school kids and his experience with practices[/quote]
I do know Greg runs a good practice as per several hoops guys I know. Rice also was impressed the several times he attended I understand.

If Mullin does indeed follow up on pursuing Rice after conversing with him a fair amount this summer, I have confidence he will be clear about individual roles and responsibilities. Imo, I bet he learned a lot from the Slice situation in his first year at the helm. We’ll see if this comes to pass in July after MR completes AAU duties. In the event it doesn’t on to a successful season.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=287661]Nova wasn’t even close to one of the top rebounding teams last year. We aren’t gonna have it all. We are built more like Nova. Offense and excellent defense. We definitely need a lot more assists to have the offense we want. We won’t be a top rebounding team but imho it’s not essential as long as we are solid and play very good man-defense. Our game will be lots of running and gunning. We showed our defensive ability and need to get even better the whole season. No lapses like when we lost Lovett. Team rebounding and defense is key. I expect us to be a high scoring team.[/quote] don’t need to be top rebounding team just we can’t be atrocious like we were. We were either last in conference or close and in the 200s in the country. That’s unacceptable
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=287662][quote="mjmaherjr" post=287658][quote="Beast of the East" post=287654][quote="Paultzman" post=287645][quote="fordham96" post=287637]There is clear momentum with the program right now especially with the signing of Heron. Could be more with what I anticipate will be a staff change soon. That momentum can and needs to be turned into some early 2018-19 recruiting success even before the season.

You don't need to play and have a good season before you can capitalize on momentum. A good season will just enhance the idea that the program is turning the corner and help even more. But July recruiting will tell us a lot about how much SJU wants to capitalize on the recent good news.[/quote]
One particular staff change could be a positive imo.[/quote]

I would think that for a staff change to occur, that roles would have to be defined, or redefined. Does Rice (or anyone else) get involved with X's and O's? If so, does that nudge St. Jean into a lower, acceptable role? Or does Rice (or any other addition) focus primarily on recruiting, where there is plenty of room for 2 or more assistants to really a beat a path to bring in top talent? We certainly don't want a repeat of year 1, where Mullin by choice or outcome was basically relegated to general manager who had a cushy seat on the scorer's table while slice and st. Jean ran the show (visually at least).

I don't know if we've discussed roles before. Would be interested in thoughts and not snipes. My concern is that is St. Jean's was not all in on such a change at this point he could depart for greener pastures (the NBA, HC at a lower rung, or assistant somewhere else)[/quote] just my opinion but with a Rice personally I’d think we’d be utilizing his experience both recruiting high school kids and his experience with practices[/quote]
I do know Greg runs a good practice as per several hoops guys I know. Rice also was impressed the several times he attended I understand.

If Mullin does indeed follow up on pursuing Rice after conversing with him a fair amount this summer, I have confidence he will be clear about individual roles and responsibilities. Imo, I bet he learned a lot from the Slice situation in his first year at the helm. We’ll see if this comes to pass in July after MR completes AAU duties. In the event it doesn’t on to a successful season.[/quote] totally reasonable and I remember people writing or maybe it was you that GSJ runs practice well. Personally my view on that is age brings wisdom with something like this and you can have 2 people preaching the same thing but sometimes you will listen more to someone who isn’t as close to your age. Again this is just my opinion
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=287665][quote="Paultzman" post=287662][quote="mjmaherjr" post=287658][quote="Beast of the East" post=287654][quote="Paultzman" post=287645][quote="fordham96" post=287637]There is clear momentum with the program right now especially with the signing of Heron. Could be more with what I anticipate will be a staff change soon. That momentum can and needs to be turned into some early 2018-19 recruiting success even before the season.

You don't need to play and have a good season before you can capitalize on momentum. A good season will just enhance the idea that the program is turning the corner and help even more. But July recruiting will tell us a lot about how much SJU wants to capitalize on the recent good news.[/quote]
One particular staff change could be a positive imo.[/quote]

I would think that for a staff change to occur, that roles would have to be defined, or redefined. Does Rice (or anyone else) get involved with X's and O's? If so, does that nudge St. Jean into a lower, acceptable role? Or does Rice (or any other addition) focus primarily on recruiting, where there is plenty of room for 2 or more assistants to really a beat a path to bring in top talent? We certainly don't want a repeat of year 1, where Mullin by choice or outcome was basically relegated to general manager who had a cushy seat on the scorer's table while slice and st. Jean ran the show (visually at least).

I don't know if we've discussed roles before. Would be interested in thoughts and not snipes. My concern is that is St. Jean's was not all in on such a change at this point he could depart for greener pastures (the NBA, HC at a lower rung, or assistant somewhere else)[/quote] just my opinion but with a Rice personally I’d think we’d be utilizing his experience both recruiting high school kids and his experience with practices[/quote]
I do know Greg runs a good practice as per several hoops guys I know. Rice also was impressed the several times he attended I understand.

If Mullin does indeed follow up on pursuing Rice after conversing with him a fair amount this summer, I have confidence he will be clear about individual roles and responsibilities. Imo, I bet he learned a lot from the Slice situation in his first year at the helm. We’ll see if this comes to pass in July after MR completes AAU duties. In the event it doesn’t on to a successful season.[/quote] totally reasonable and I remember people writing or maybe it was you that GSJ runs practice well. Personally my view on that is age brings wisdom with something like this and you can have 2 people preaching the same thing but sometimes you will listen more to someone who isn’t as close to your age. Again this is just my opinion[/quote]
I have grown to respect Greg’s work ethic, energy and solid relationships with the players. He was a bit frenetic and perhaps over empowered intitially imo, but he looks like a guy who may develop into a good head coach one day. I would also not be surprised if he looks to get an NBA gig in some capacity in not too distant future. He certainly has contacts.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=287666][quote="mjmaherjr" post=287665][quote="Paultzman" post=287662][quote="mjmaherjr" post=287658][quote="Beast of the East" post=287654][quote="Paultzman" post=287645][quote="fordham96" post=287637]There is clear momentum with the program right now especially with the signing of Heron. Could be more with what I anticipate will be a staff change soon. That momentum can and needs to be turned into some early 2018-19 recruiting success even before the season.

You don't need to play and have a good season before you can capitalize on momentum. A good season will just enhance the idea that the program is turning the corner and help even more. But July recruiting will tell us a lot about how much SJU wants to capitalize on the recent good news.[/quote]
One particular staff change could be a positive imo.[/quote]

I would think that for a staff change to occur, that roles would have to be defined, or redefined. Does Rice (or anyone else) get involved with X's and O's? If so, does that nudge St. Jean into a lower, acceptable role? Or does Rice (or any other addition) focus primarily on recruiting, where there is plenty of room for 2 or more assistants to really a beat a path to bring in top talent? We certainly don't want a repeat of year 1, where Mullin by choice or outcome was basically relegated to general manager who had a cushy seat on the scorer's table while slice and st. Jean ran the show (visually at least).

I don't know if we've discussed roles before. Would be interested in thoughts and not snipes. My concern is that is St. Jean's was not all in on such a change at this point he could depart for greener pastures (the NBA, HC at a lower rung, or assistant somewhere else)[/quote] just my opinion but with a Rice personally I’d think we’d be utilizing his experience both recruiting high school kids and his experience with practices[/quote]
I do know Greg runs a good practice as per several hoops guys I know. Rice also was impressed the several times he attended I understand.

If Mullin does indeed follow up on pursuing Rice after conversing with him a fair amount this summer, I have confidence he will be clear about individual roles and responsibilities. Imo, I bet he learned a lot from the Slice situation in his first year at the helm. We’ll see if this comes to pass in July after MR completes AAU duties. In the event it doesn’t on to a successful season.[/quote] totally reasonable and I remember people writing or maybe it was you that GSJ runs practice well. Personally my view on that is age brings wisdom with something like this and you can have 2 people preaching the same thing but sometimes you will listen more to someone who isn’t as close to your age. Again this is just my opinion[/quote]
I have grown to respect Greg’s work ethic, energy and solid relationships with the players. He was a bit frenetic and perhaps over empowered intitially imo, but he looks like a guy who may develop into a good head coach one day. I would also not be surprised if he looks to get an NBA gig in some capacity in not too distant future. He certainly has contacts.[/quote]

Paultz,

Great commentary on roles and responsibilities, as well as positive commentary on St. Jean practices. I know Greg a bit and he is so damned passionate and also is in lockstep with Chris on goals and objectives and strategy.

Plenty of room for multiple coaches running practices. John Wooden classic mantra: "We love stations". He had an organized method for practice to optimize the time spent in practice to work on any number of things. Could see Rice, St. Jean, Chris, and Mitch all on the court at once without getting in each other's way.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=287652]WCJF wrote: Days - Low 90 on most nights? If we averaged in the mid 80's we'd likely be a top 5-10 offense nationally. Low 90's would be Loyola Marymont territory LOL. [/quote]

Low 90s would have been that era's Duke, UNLV, Arkansas. LMU in 1990 averaged more than 120 ppg.

It's a different game, but not because teams don't have the firepower. Style of play just changed. If Heron is available I think we do 80 no problem.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=287654][quote="Paultzman" post=287645][quote="fordham96" post=287637]There is clear momentum with the program right now especially with the signing of Heron. Could be more with what I anticipate will be a staff change soon. That momentum can and needs to be turned into some early 2018-19 recruiting success even before the season.

You don't need to play and have a good season before you can capitalize on momentum. A good season will just enhance the idea that the program is turning the corner and help even more. But July recruiting will tell us a lot about how much SJU wants to capitalize on the recent good news.[/quote]
One particular staff change could be a positive imo.[/quote]

I would think that for a staff change to occur, that roles would have to be defined, or redefined. Does Rice (or anyone else) get involved with X's and O's? If so, does that nudge St. Jean into a lower, acceptable role? Or does Rice (or any other addition) focus primarily on recruiting, where there is plenty of room for 2 or more assistants to really a beat a path to bring in top talent? We certainly don't want a repeat of year 1, where Mullin by choice or outcome was basically relegated to general manager who had a cushy seat on the scorer's table while slice and st. Jean ran the show (visually at least).

I don't know if we've discussed roles before. Would be interested in thoughts and not snipes. My concern is that is St. Jean's was not all in on such a change at this point he could depart for greener pastures (the NBA, HC at a lower rung, or assistant somewhere else)[/quote]

I really like St. Jean and trust him as an offensive guy. Even more so if that becomes more of his sole responsibility. Aside from the obvious experience and recruiting, I feel Rices biggest impact would come on the defensive side.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=287666][quote="mjmaherjr" post=287665][quote="Paultzman" post=287662][quote="mjmaherjr" post=287658][quote="Beast of the East" post=287654][quote="Paultzman" post=287645][quote="fordham96" post=287637]There is clear momentum with the program right now especially with the signing of Heron. Could be more with what I anticipate will be a staff change soon. That momentum can and needs to be turned into some early 2018-19 recruiting success even before the season.

You don't need to play and have a good season before you can capitalize on momentum. A good season will just enhance the idea that the program is turning the corner and help even more. But July recruiting will tell us a lot about how much SJU wants to capitalize on the recent good news.[/quote]
One particular staff change could be a positive imo.[/quote]

I would think that for a staff change to occur, that roles would have to be defined, or redefined. Does Rice (or anyone else) get involved with X's and O's? If so, does that nudge St. Jean into a lower, acceptable role? Or does Rice (or any other addition) focus primarily on recruiting, where there is plenty of room for 2 or more assistants to really a beat a path to bring in top talent? We certainly don't want a repeat of year 1, where Mullin by choice or outcome was basically relegated to general manager who had a cushy seat on the scorer's table while slice and st. Jean ran the show (visually at least).

I don't know if we've discussed roles before. Would be interested in thoughts and not snipes. My concern is that is St. Jean's was not all in on such a change at this point he could depart for greener pastures (the NBA, HC at a lower rung, or assistant somewhere else)[/quote] just my opinion but with a Rice personally I’d think we’d be utilizing his experience both recruiting high school kids and his experience with practices[/quote]
I do know Greg runs a good practice as per several hoops guys I know. Rice also was impressed the several times he attended I understand.

If Mullin does indeed follow up on pursuing Rice after conversing with him a fair amount this summer, I have confidence he will be clear about individual roles and responsibilities. Imo, I bet he learned a lot from the Slice situation in his first year at the helm. We’ll see if this comes to pass in July after MR completes AAU duties. In the event it doesn’t on to a successful season.[/quote] totally reasonable and I remember people writing or maybe it was you that GSJ runs practice well. Personally my view on that is age brings wisdom with something like this and you can have 2 people preaching the same thing but sometimes you will listen more to someone who isn’t as close to your age. Again this is just my opinion[/quote]
I have grown to respect Greg’s work ethic, energy and solid relationships with the players. He was a bit frenetic and perhaps over empowered intitially imo, but he looks like a guy who may develop into a good head coach one day. I would also not be surprised if he looks to get an NBA gig in some capacity in not too distant future. He certainly has contacts.[/quote]

And if and when that happens all the guys who have been questioning his abilities will be bemoaning the fact that Mullin can't keep any continuity in his coaching staff.:) B)
 
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[quote="Section9" post=287675][quote="Paultzman" post=287666][quote="mjmaherjr" post=287665][quote="Paultzman" post=287662][quote="mjmaherjr" post=287658][quote="Beast of the East" post=287654][quote="Paultzman" post=287645][quote="fordham96" post=287637]There is clear momentum with the program right now especially with the signing of Heron. Could be more with what I anticipate will be a staff change soon. That momentum can and needs to be turned into some early 2018-19 recruiting success even before the season.

You don't need to play and have a good season before you can capitalize on momentum. A good season will just enhance the idea that the program is turning the corner and help even more. But July recruiting will tell us a lot about how much SJU wants to capitalize on the recent good news.[/quote]
One particular staff change could be a positive imo.[/quote]

I would think that for a staff change to occur, that roles would have to be defined, or redefined. Does Rice (or anyone else) get involved with X's and O's? If so, does that nudge St. Jean into a lower, acceptable role? Or does Rice (or any other addition) focus primarily on recruiting, where there is plenty of room for 2 or more assistants to really a beat a path to bring in top talent? We certainly don't want a repeat of year 1, where Mullin by choice or outcome was basically relegated to general manager who had a cushy seat on the scorer's table while slice and st. Jean ran the show (visually at least).

I don't know if we've discussed roles before. Would be interested in thoughts and not snipes. My concern is that is St. Jean's was not all in on such a change at this point he could depart for greener pastures (the NBA, HC at a lower rung, or assistant somewhere else)[/quote] just my opinion but with a Rice personally I’d think we’d be utilizing his experience both recruiting high school kids and his experience with practices[/quote]
I do know Greg runs a good practice as per several hoops guys I know. Rice also was impressed the several times he attended I understand.

If Mullin does indeed follow up on pursuing Rice after conversing with him a fair amount this summer, I have confidence he will be clear about individual roles and responsibilities. Imo, I bet he learned a lot from the Slice situation in his first year at the helm. We’ll see if this comes to pass in July after MR completes AAU duties. In the event it doesn’t on to a successful season.[/quote] totally reasonable and I remember people writing or maybe it was you that GSJ runs practice well. Personally my view on that is age brings wisdom with something like this and you can have 2 people preaching the same thing but sometimes you will listen more to someone who isn’t as close to your age. Again this is just my opinion[/quote]
I have grown to respect Greg’s work ethic, energy and solid relationships with the players. He was a bit frenetic and perhaps over empowered intitially imo, but he looks like a guy who may develop into a good head coach one day. I would also not be surprised if he looks to get an NBA gig in some capacity in not too distant future. He certainly has contacts.[/quote]

And if and when that happens all the guys who have been questioning his abilities will be bemoaning the fact that Mullin can't keep any continuity in his coaching staff.:) B)[/quote]

And if and when that happens Mullin will have an offensive coach and a defensive coach.
He could visit California for two weeks in January and we wouldn't skip a beat.:p
 
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