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[quote="Enright" post=284603]Will the addition of Dixon and Figueroa make 17-18 one of the very few years that SJU can perform at an even level with opponents in making three point shots?
The three point shot has become more and more important in college bb and SJU has almost never been able to make it a significant part of its' offense.[/quote]
Um don't want to alarm you but we are already into 2018. ;) :) Think you mean 2018-19. If i am wrong someone please advise because then I will be alarmed. :lol:
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=284613][quote="Enright" post=284603]Will the addition of Dixon and Figueroa make 17-18 one of the very few years that SJU can perform at an even level with opponents in making three point shots?
The three point shot has become more and more important in college bb and SJU has almost never been able to make it a significant part of its' offense.[/quote]

I think it will be. Clark hit 3's at a pretty good clip last season, Ponds percentage I believe will improve and Trimble has the ability also. You add Dixon and Figgy and I think that could be the case.[/quote]

Ponds, hopefully returns and again hits 3s at his 37%+ clip in his freshman year. Dixon hit 3s at a 37% rate his freshman year; Clark was at 41% last year; Simon in a small sample size also was at 41%. Figgy shot the lights out in JUCO last year, 48%+ from beyond the arc and 59%+ from 2-pt range.
So, it’s looking good for St. John’s from beyond the arc in 2018-19. Should be a very high-powered offense, with Shamorie.
 
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Everybody loving the three point shot....huh? Sure hope they make them. Certainly won't be cleaning up on the boards.

I wonder if a more balanced attack would be wise? ......Nah, silly me.
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=284650]Everybody loving the three point shot....huh? Sure hope they make them. Certainly won't be cleaning up on the boards.

I wonder if a more balanced attack would be wise? ......Nah, silly me.[/quote]

Plus an inside out game with post players of consequence is a key element of three point shooting success. I know some guys have penciled in Keita as capable inside threat, but let’s see. Of course the grad big “ghost” may have helped in this regard also. Oh well.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=284651][quote="JohnnyFan" post=284650]Everybody loving the three point shot....huh? Sure hope they make them. Certainly won't be cleaning up on the boards.

I wonder if a more balanced attack would be wise? ......Nah, silly me.[/quote]

Plus an inside out game with post players of consequence is a key element of three point shooting success. I know some guys have penciled in Keita as capable inside threat, but let’s see. Of course the grad big “ghost” may have helped in this regard also. Oh well.[/quote]

I get it that an inside post presence on the offensive end would be nice, but that's not the style of play that Chris favors. He wants versatile quick players who can play multiple positions, create in the open court, slash to the basket and hit outside shots. A lot of potential recruits cite the fact that he runs a pro style offense and the game is more free-flowing. That's the way this roster is set up.

Didn't at least one potential late signing period big shy away when he realized he wouldn't be getting touches in the paint? That's why TO pulled up stakes and headed out because he and Daddy wanted to hoist up jumpers and 3 pointers and there were at least three guys who, justifiably so, were going to take priority.

Instead of harping on the lack of big men give this team a chance, there's some nice pieces in place for next year, especially if Shamorie returns.
 
[quote="Section9" post=284657][quote="Paultzman" post=284651][quote="JohnnyFan" post=284650]Everybody loving the three point shot....huh? Sure hope they make them. Certainly won't be cleaning up on the boards.

I wonder if a more balanced attack would be wise? ......Nah, silly me.[/quote]

Plus an inside out game with post players of consequence is a key element of three point shooting success. I know some guys have penciled in Keita as capable inside threat, but let’s see. Of course the grad big “ghost” may have helped in this regard also. Oh well.[/quote]

I get it that an inside post presence on the offensive end would be nice, but that's not the style of play that Chris favors. He wants versatile quick players who can play multiple positions, create in the open court, slash to the basket and hit outside shots. A lot of potential recruits cite the fact that he runs a pro style offense and the game is more free-flowing. That's the way this roster is set up.

Didn't at least one potential late signing period big shy away when he realized he wouldn't be getting touches in the paint? That's why TO pulled up stakes and headed out because he and Daddy wanted to hoist up jumpers and 3 pointers and there were at least three guys who, justifiably so, were going to take priority.

Instead of harping on the lack of big men give this team a chance, there's some nice pieces in place for next year, especially if Shamorie returns.[/quote]

The fact that Matt pursued two talented ready to play bigs even before Owens left confirms staff felt there was a need. The Cameroon kid who committed to UNLV was high on their list because he could help on both ends of court. I get why you are tired of this discussion, but also understand the disappointment of others. We fanned two years in a row on a grad big and hard to be happy about that.
 
Paultzman wrote: Section9 wrote:
Paultzman wrote:
JohnnyFan wrote: Everybody loving the three point shot....huh? Sure hope they make them. Certainly won't be cleaning up on the boards.

I wonder if a more balanced attack would be wise? ......Nah, silly me.

Plus an inside out game with post players of consequence is a key element of three point shooting success. I know some guys have penciled in Keita as capable inside threat, but let’s see. Of course the grad big “ghost” may have helped in this regard also. Oh well.


I get it that an inside post presence on the offensive end would be nice, but that's not the style of play that Chris favors. He wants versatile quick players who can play multiple positions, create in the open court, slash to the basket and hit outside shots. A lot of potential recruits cite the fact that he runs a pro style offense and the game is more free-flowing. That's the way this roster is set up.

Didn't at least one potential late signing period big shy away when he realized he wouldn't be getting touches in the paint? That's why TO pulled up stakes and headed out because he and Daddy wanted to hoist up jumpers and 3 pointers and there were at least three guys who, justifiably so, were going to take priority.

Instead of harping on the lack of big men give this team a chance, there's some nice pieces in place for next year, especially if Shamorie returns.


The fact that Matt pursued two talented ready to play bigs even before Owens left confirms staff felt there was a need. The Cameroon kid who committed to UNLV was high on their list because he could help on both ends of court. I get why you are tired of this discussion, but also understand the disappointment of others. We fanned two years in a row on a grad big and hard to be happy about that.

I will be very happy if I'm proven wrong, but expect the lack of a second big will come back to bite us on several occasions next season.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=284662]
I will be very happy if I'm proven wrong, but expect the lack of a second big will come back to bite us on several occasions next season.[/quote]

It'll be extremely painful if we have a high-octane offense and play exceptionally well all year, only to come to a grinding halt in the Sweet Sixteen because a flavor of the month mid-major has a big man who we couldn't stop.
 
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[quote="L J S A" post=284665][quote="NCJohnnie" post=284662]
I will be very happy if I'm proven wrong, but expect the lack of a second big will come back to bite us on several occasions next season.[/quote]

It's be extremely painful if we have a high-octane offense and play exceptionally well all year, only to come to a grinding halt in the Sweet Sixteen because a flavor of the month mid-major has a big man who we couldn't stop.[/quote]

I would be extremely happy to be in the Sweet Sixteen, wouldn't you?
 
[quote="OhioFan" post=284666][quote="L J S A" post=284665][quote="NCJohnnie" post=284662]
I will be very happy if I'm proven wrong, but expect the lack of a second big will come back to bite us on several occasions next season.[/quote]

It's be extremely painful if we have a high-octane offense and play exceptionally well all year, only to come to a grinding halt in the Sweet Sixteen because a flavor of the month mid-major has a big man who we couldn't stop.[/quote]

I would be extremely happy to be in the Sweet Sixteen, wouldn't you?[/quote]

Such a feat, would mark the 2nd time since 1999, St. John’s will have posted a winning record in the NCAAs.
We lost to Ohio State in the Elite 8 that year.
So, I hear you, OhioFan.
Good point.
But, any loss bites to us fans!
I still grate at that loss.
I know, I know: get a life.
Point taken!
Realistically speaking, that would mark a successful season—hopefully the start of consistent success in the NCAAs.
 
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[quote="OhioFan" post=284666]I would be extremely happy to be in the Sweet Sixteen, wouldn't you?[/quote]

Nope, not if based on the season up until that point it looked like we were destined for more.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=284672][quote="OhioFan" post=284666]I would be extremely happy to be in the Sweet Sixteen, wouldn't you?[/quote]

Nope, not if based on the season up until that point it looked like we were destined for more.[/quote] In 1986 when we had Walter Berry, Mark Jackson, and was a number 1 seed, I was pissed we only made the sweet 16. Next year if we make the sweet 16 I will be very happy.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=284672][quote="OhioFan" post=284666]I would be extremely happy to be in the Sweet Sixteen, wouldn't you?[/quote]

Nope, not if based on the season up until that point it looked like we were destined for more.[/quote]

You wouldn't be happy getting to the sweet 16???
I think OhioFan is referring to the future and you must be referring to the past.
Call me crazy but I think this team is one good player away THIS year from at least getting to the round of 32 and with a Jordan Brown why not the sweet 16. A pipe dream but crazier things have happened.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=284680][quote="L J S A" post=284672][quote="OhioFan" post=284666]I would be extremely happy to be in the Sweet Sixteen, wouldn't you?[/quote]

Nope, not if based on the season up until that point it looked like we were destined for more.[/quote] In 1986 when we had Walter Berry, Mark Jackson, and was a number 1 seed, I was pissed we only made the sweet 16. Next year if we make the sweet 16 I will be very happy.[/quote]
Wish we did make the Sweet 16 that year because that would have meant we beat 8 seed Auburn with Chuck Person instead of being blown out by them 81-65. We did beat 16 seed mighty Montana in the first round however.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=284680][quote="L J S A" post=284672][quote="OhioFan" post=284666]I would be extremely happy to be in the Sweet Sixteen, wouldn't you?[/quote]

Nope, not if based on the season up until that point it looked like we were destined for more.[/quote] In 1986 when we had Walter Berry, Mark Jackson, and was a number 1 seed, I was pissed we only made the sweet 16. Next year if we make the sweet 16 I will be very happy.[/quote]

Thing is we didn't make the Sweet 16 that particular season. Auburn beat the brakes off us in the 2nd round out in Long Beach. I was rather ticked off watching Chuck Person and another player (name escapes me) roast us like a smoked turkey on that Sunday afternoon. I believed they played a box-in-one on Walter Berry and that was all she wrote.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=284694][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=284680][quote="L J S A" post=284672][quote="OhioFan" post=284666]I would be extremely happy to be in the Sweet Sixteen, wouldn't you?[/quote]

Nope, not if based on the season up until that point it looked like we were destined for more.[/quote] In 1986 when we had Walter Berry, Mark Jackson, and was a number 1 seed, I was pissed we only made the sweet 16. Next year if we make the sweet 16 I will be very happy.[/quote]

Thing is we didn't make the Sweet 16 that particular season. Auburn beat the brakes off us in the 2nd round out in Long Beach. I was rather ticked off watching Chuck Person and another player (name escapes me) roast us like a smoked turkey on that Sunday afternoon. I believed they played a box-in-one on Walter Berry and that was all she wrote.[/quote] My bad. Syracuse a number 2 seed also only made it to round of 32. As a matter of fact a poor showing by the BE as nobody made it past 2nd round if I’m not mistaken.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=284690]

You wouldn't be happy getting to the sweet 16???
I think OhioFan is referring to the future and you must be referring to the past.[/quote]

No, I'm referring to this year. I've already said I think we'll be really good if the staff holds up their end of the bargain. And I've said that if we landed a decent grad big, from player 1 to 7 we'd be in the tier right below the top teams in the country.

Which is why I posted "It'll be extremely painful if we have a high-octane offense and play exceptionally well all year, only to come to a grinding halt in the Sweet Sixteen because a flavor of the month mid-major has a big man who we couldn't stop."

Which is true, it would be painful if we are very good all year.

And if we are good all year, I would expect more than losing to a mid-major. Which is why I wrote "Nope, not if based on the season up until that point it looked like we were destined for more."

If there's a year where we are iffy, but make it to Sweet 16, I'm happy. But if I expect results and they seem reasonable based on performance, I'm won't be happy when I don't get them.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=284672][quote="OhioFan" post=284666]I would be extremely happy to be in the Sweet Sixteen, wouldn't you?[/quote]

Nope, not if based on the season up until that point it looked like we were destined for more.[/quote]

Disagree...this is a program that has not won a tournament game in almost 20 years and rarely even makes the tournament to begin with. To not only make the tournament but make the Sweet 16 would do absolute wonders for our morale and the program's morale. They'd finally have something to hang their hat on and show recruits. Right now all we have to show recruits are the Duke and Nova wins. Other than that we are selling the future and potential. Selling potential may work early in a coach's tenure, but as the years go by without real results they will stop listening to that pitch. You might even see a record number of donations and season ticket holders if we made the Sweet 16. Would be massive.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=284660][quote="Section9" post=284657][quote="Paultzman" post=284651][quote="JohnnyFan" post=284650]Everybody loving the three point shot....huh? Sure hope they make them. Certainly won't be cleaning up on the boards.

I wonder if a more balanced attack would be wise? ......Nah, silly me.[/quote]

Plus an inside out game with post players of consequence is a key element of three point shooting success. I know some guys have penciled in Keita as capable inside threat, but let’s see. Of course the grad big “ghost” may have helped in this regard also. Oh well.[/quote]

I get it that an inside post presence on the offensive end would be nice, but that's not the style of play that Chris favors. He wants versatile quick players who can play multiple positions, create in the open court, slash to the basket and hit outside shots. A lot of potential recruits cite the fact that he runs a pro style offense and the game is more free-flowing. That's the way this roster is set up.

Didn't at least one potential late signing period big shy away when he realized he wouldn't be getting touches in the paint? That's why TO pulled up stakes and headed out because he and Daddy wanted to hoist up jumpers and 3 pointers and there were at least three guys who, justifiably so, were going to take priority.

Instead of harping on the lack of big men give this team a chance, there's some nice pieces in place for next year, especially if Shamorie returns.[/quote]

The fact that Matt pursued two talented ready to play bigs even before Owens left confirms staff felt there was a need. The Cameroon kid who committed to UNLV was high on their list because he could help on both ends of court. I get why you are tired of this discussion, but also understand the disappointment of others. We fanned two years in a row on a grad big and hard to be happy about that.[/quote]

If you acknowledge that we are an outside shooting/slashing offense with the bigs getting short shrift in the post, why would a grad transfer big, with one year of eligibility want to come here unless he's content with that roll?

As far as Owens' situation regarding potential big transfers, there were rumors late in the season that he was on the way out. Last game at CA during pre game warmups, while most of the guys were practicing shooting dribbling, two on twos, etc. Owens was at halfcourt absentmindedly dribbling the ball and bopping to the music, he was gone.
 
Section9 wrote: Paultzman wrote:
Section9 wrote:
Paultzman wrote:
JohnnyFan wrote: Everybody loving the three point shot....huh? Sure hope they make them. Certainly won't be cleaning up on the boards.

I wonder if a more balanced attack would be wise? ......Nah, silly me.

Plus an inside out game with post players of consequence is a key element of three point shooting success. I know some guys have penciled in Keita as capable inside threat, but let’s see. Of course the grad big “ghost” may have helped in this regard also. Oh well.


I get it that an inside post presence on the offensive end would be nice, but that's not the style of play that Chris favors. He wants versatile quick players who can play multiple positions, create in the open court, slash to the basket and hit outside shots. A lot of potential recruits cite the fact that he runs a pro style offense and the game is more free-flowing. That's the way this roster is set up.

Didn't at least one potential late signing period big shy away when he realized he wouldn't be getting touches in the paint? That's why TO pulled up stakes and headed out because he and Daddy wanted to hoist up jumpers and 3 pointers and there were at least three guys who, justifiably so, were going to take priority.

Instead of harping on the lack of big men give this team a chance, there's some nice pieces in place for next year, especially if Shamorie returns.


The fact that Matt pursued two talented ready to play bigs even before Owens left confirms staff felt there was a need. The Cameroon kid who committed to UNLV was high on their list because he could help on both ends of court. I get why you are tired of this discussion, but also understand the disappointment of others. We fanned two years in a row on a grad big and hard to be happy about that.


If you acknowledge that we are an outside shooting/slashing offense with the bigs getting short shrift in the post, why would a grad transfer big, with one year of eligibility want to come here unless he's content with that roll?

As far as Owens' situation regarding potential big transfers, there were rumors late in the season that he was on the way out. Last game at CA during pre game warmups, while most of the guys were practicing shooting dribbling, two on twos, etc. Owens was at halfcourt absentmindedly dribbling the ball and bopping to the music, he was gone.

Section9, whether or not we were looking for another big before we knew Owens was gone, we were certainly going after that big as soon as we knew he was gone. Yes we are primarily a guard/wing oriented offense, but that presumes we have one big on the floor for rebounding, defense, rim protection and floor spacing. I know of no major conference teams that succeeded w/o at least one big on the floor most of the time. When I said that I feared that our failure to get that second big was going to come back to bite us on several occasions, I meant during BE play not in the tournament. If we are able to get through the season well enough to play in the dance, most fans (including this one) will be very pleased.
 
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