Rick Pitino - Head Coach at St John’s University!!!

[SLYFOXX1968]

Adding Dayton is equal to adding another Providence quality team this year, SLU is equal to adding a better DePaul. I don't think adding more mediocrity in the middle does anything.

We missed the boat not going all out for Gonzaga/St. Mary's, although it doesn't seem like they were interested in joining anyway.

I think Gonzaga and to a lesser extent St Mary’s missed the boat through their own fault .
We already have these large Conferences putting teams from the West Coast into the ACC
So, the travel thing doesn’t hold water anymore .

Gonzaga has recently dropped from the top 25 , a rarity for decades and seems it might struggle to make the Tourney , except on past reputation .

Not being in one of these new Super Sized Leagues will diminish their brand .

 

[room112]

Dayton has strong following, fans who travel well and ample NIL apparently. I assume their recruiting appeal would possibly rise leaving A10 for BE.

I don't know the circumstances of how decisions were made, but would Dayton have been a better choice than Butler? Since joining the league a decade ago, they initially looked good under Holtmann. But now have overall losing records in 4 of the past 5 seasons. Are they destined to be perennial bottom feeders of the league?

 

[NCJohnnie]

I don't know the circumstances of how decisions were made, but would Dayton have been a better choice than Butler? Since joining the league a decade ago, they initially looked good under Holtmann. But now have overall losing records in 4 of the past 5 seasons. Are they destined to be perennial bottom feeders of the league?

At the time Butler joined the Big East (2013-14 season) they were a couple years off two NCAA dance finals in a row, something we've never done even once. After joining the Big East they made the Dance four years in a row from 2015 through 2018 including a sweet sixteen appearance in 2017. They have fallen on hard times since not making the dance in any of 2019-2024. However with that kind of tradition it's hard to say Dayton should have been taken over Butler. Dayton made the dance last year but before that nothing since 2018 either and won't make it this year unless they win their league tournament.
Both schools have great fan bases. With the advent of NIL, I'm not sure either would likely be anything but bottom third of Big East most years.

 

[L J S A]

Not being in one of these new Super Sized Leagues will diminish their brand .

Aren't they going to the Pac 12? Competition will presumably be a step up from WCC.

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

I don't know the circumstances of how decisions were made, but would Dayton have been a better choice than Butler? Since joining the league a decade ago, they initially looked good under Holtmann. But now have overall losing records in 4 of the past 5 seasons. Are they destined to be perennial bottom feeders of the league?





It’s a legitimate question about Butler . They had a great run under Brad Stevens until he left for the Celtics .

He should be on the Top of IU’s list to succeed Woodson .

You could raise the same questions about DePaul who haven’t been competitive for their entire BE tenure .

They have had their troubles for much of the last 2 Decades as we have had ,prior to Pitino .

They use to attract the Chicago City kids but , the best kids go to Academies or , BB Prep schools now and rarely go to DePaul .

Seton Hall might also descend into that lower tier also , due to NIL .

 

[dk423]

At the time Butler joined the Big East (2013-14 season) they were a couple years off two NCAA dance finals in a row, something we've never done even once. After joining the Big East they made the Dance four years in a row from 2015 through 2018 including a sweet sixteen appearance in 2017. They have fallen on hard times since not making the dance in any of 2019-2024. However with that kind of tradition it's hard to say Dayton should have been taken over Butler. Dayton made the dance last year but before that nothing since 2018 either and won't make it this year unless they win their league tournament.
Both schools have great fan bases. With the advent of NIL, I'm not sure either would likely be anything but bottom third of Big East most years.

Butler is exactly the school that makes me cautious about all of these schools. Hinkle is also an awesome venue to have in the league. Fans are great. Geography is also awesome (Indiana being a crazed basketball state, it's nice to have that).

But how can anyone be sure Dayton/St. Louis/VCU won't fall in that Big East middle, or, worse, be where Butler is?

I honestly have more faith in DePaul in the next five years. They've got a lot more money coming there way and finally have a real coach.

The only schools I want to add are ones that will be in the Marquette/Creighton/Georgetown/Villanova/STJ (!!!) tier of resources. I hate the Memphis fit on a lot of levels but they do have that. Or, already high-majors with BE ties in the past

 

[Amaseinyourface]

There needs to be bottom teams in each league. Because of this, schools leaving for “better” conferences, and more money, won’t always have it better on the court. Good for the school I guess, but not for the fans.

Arizona athletics are in a better spot financially. Their basketball program will not be the same powerhouse that they were atop the P12 as they will be amongst the 7-8 best big 12 teams. And Arizona is a successful example. Look at Cuse and BC for the other end.

Would butler fans rather be in the hunt for an A10 crown every year, our battle it out for top half BE finishes every few?

 

[Marillac2]

I have no interest in expanding without Gonzaga. Let’s just wait for the eventual ACC-Big East merger now that the Zags are in the Pac12.

It’s ridiculous that Washington and Oregon can play conference games at Rutgers, but we couldn’t make Gonzaga and St. Mary’s work.

 

[mattc]

I have no interest in expanding without Gonzaga. Let’s just wait for the eventual ACC-Big East merger now that the Zags are in the Pac12.

It’s ridiculous that Washington and Oregon can play conference games at Rutgers, but we couldn’t make Gonzaga and St. Mary’s work.

Syracuse lost to Miami tonight. They’ve become such an irrelevant loser program. Send them to the NEC or something.