Rick Pitino - Head Coach at St John’s University!!!

Read the post again. This time try not moving your lips.
So let’s try and clear this up for me knight. You are implying Soriano may have something going on with a physical ailment. Then you post about JR Richard’s condition. What am I missing here with what you are trying to convey? Please tell me.
 
That's the part that's concerning. And why it's a talking point regarding NIL; How do you get players to play and be motivated like they want to win as bad as the coach whose livelihood depends on it, when the players are being paid before they perform on the court. Obviously that's a blanket statement and doesn't apply to all, or most, and suggesting kids at this level don't want to win badly is foolish, but I feel there is some merit to it when searching for the grit and toughness that was once on display in this sport.

(Disclaimer: I am all for NIL and kids deserve to be paid, even though I'd like better and clearer rules that are actually enforced to ensure a slightly more level playing field)
Reasonable post for certain.

It's hard for some kids to be PHD when they are no longer hungry.

Remember when Rick stumbled upon PHD, the P was explained to him as Poor. Rick changed it to Passionate.

Clearly a college kid already on a free ride who also has $50-200k of NIL coming in, is certainly no longer poor, and subsequently may no longer be as PHD as CRP or any coach would like.

I'm sure Rick thinks about this every day. Add free unlimited portal moves without sitting out and as a coach you can't push kids too hard or they leave. As it is, many college bball players went to 3 or 4 high schools, and some are on their 3rd college.

The NCAA took a problem and made it far worse.

I'd hate to have to raise NIL funds for next season if we don't come out of this tailspin.
 
(Disclaimer: I am all for NIL and kids deserve to be paid, even though I'd like better and clearer rules that are actually enforced to ensure a slightly more level playing field)
IMO, the problems start with the false assumption that "kids deserve to be paid". I know the rationale behind that, but the kids were being compensated by the oft derided free room, board and tuition and were deemed amateurs. But, big money form TV revenue and otherwise create the illusion that the student athletes "deserve" to make money off of their efforts, aside from the benefits cited.

Once that assumption took hold, then they are no longer amateurs thus they have to be paid.

No, again in MHO, there was nothing wrong with the traditional structure of college amateur athletics. But, as basketball became professionalized by AAU and other developments over 3 or 4 decades, the expectation was created that the "kids" need to be paid. If you go to that model, then it destroys(ed) the traditional structure and all things (transfer rules, etc.) are out the window. And, treating the athletes like "kids" and amateurs goes out the window as well and are and should be held accountable for under- or non- performance. Can't have it both ways.

The NCAA and others (state governments, courts etc.) screwed up what was a traditional and fair structure and destroyed college athletics.

Again, just MHO and probably an unpopular one.
 
So let’s try and clear this up for me knight. You are implying Soriano may have something going on with a physical ailment. Then you post about JR Richard’s condition. What am I missing here with what you are trying to convey? Please tell me.
I’m saying I think that his performance may be the result of something physical/phycological rather than a willfully lazy effort. I took umbrage to you saying that my post was irresponsible. I offered another possible explanation documented with a historical reference. I remember Richard getting pilloried for a similar change in performance.
 
I’m saying I think that his performance may be the result of something physical/phycological rather than a willfully lazy effort. I took umbrage to you saying that my post was irresponsible. I offered another possible explanation documented with a historical reference. I remember Richard getting pilloried for a similar change in performance.
I hear ya and my initial reaction was the potential linking him to it. Thats the way I read your post. Apologies if I misread your intentions.
 
How does that warrant calling Jenkins a cancer?
He makes all the perimeter players worse. None of them are better off for him playing. You give him 30 minutes at the 1 and he will destroy any top 25 team from inside. If you disagree that’s fine.

I would never let any kid I coached or advised play with someone like him.

I don’t buy the out of position argument either. Phil Greene had less PG skills than Jenkins and he didn’t rot the team from the inside by trying to play outside of his abilities.

He probably had 2-3 games left where he will be really on but it won’t matter. Our season will either end in a blowout loss or with him missing a jumper.
 
He makes all the perimeter players worse. None of them are better off for him playing. You give him 30 minutes at the 1 and he will destroy any top 25 team from inside. If you disagree that’s fine.

I would never let any kid I coached or advised play with someone like him.

I don’t buy the out of position argument either. Phil Greene had less PG skills than Jenkins and he didn’t rot the team from the inside by trying to play outside of his abilities.

He probably had 2-3 games left where he will be really on but it won’t matter. Our season will either end in a blowout loss or with him missing a jumper.
I think he plays pretty much how Pitino wants him to.
 
He makes all the perimeter players worse. None of them are better off for him playing. You give him 30 minutes at the 1 and he will destroy any top 25 team from inside. If you disagree that’s fine.

I would never let any kid I coached or advised play with someone like him.

I don’t buy the out of position argument either. Phil Greene had less PG skills than Jenkins and he didn’t rot the team from the inside by trying to play outside of his abilities.

He probably had 2-3 games left where he will be really on but it won’t matter. Our season will either end in a blowout loss or with him missing a jumper.
I love your detail and accumen but on behalf of everyone here can you please give the Jenkins trashing a rest. It's approaching spam levels.

Thank you
 
Does docbutler post here anymore? I just read an interesting post from him on a Facebook fan group about a former player assessing some of the problems with the current squad. Anyone else see this?
 
Does docbutler post here anymore? I just read an interesting post from him on a Facebook fan group about a former player assessing some of the problems with the current squad. Anyone else see this?
I saw it. And with regard to people being jealous about who makes what money without knowing a single thing about any other teams in America I’m sure every team is dealing with that issue. Jealousy about who makes what. I don’t think that would be isolated to one team.
 
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Does docbutler post here anymore? I just read an interesting post from him on a Facebook fan group about a former player assessing some of the problems with the current squad. Anyone else see this?
Wouldn’t this be an issue for all Power 6 Conference teams? UCONN and Marquette seem to be handling this well. Trying to pinpoint blame in one area provides certainty, not necessarily reality.
 
I saw it. And with regard to people being jealous about who makes what money without knowing a single thing about any other teams in America I’m sure every team is dealing with that issue. Jealousy about who makes what. I don’t think that would be isolated to one team.
It wasn't so much the jealousy issue that got me, it was the statement that the players do not like each other and play at the same time...not together. I just found it to be an interesting statement and it seems as if Coach Pitino and Jenkins have dropped some hints about this being a problem.

Besides the obvious upgrade of talent that is needed, I think team chemistry is a major issue with this group.
 
It wasn't so much the jealousy issue that got me, it was the statement that the players do not like each other and play at the same time...not together. I just found it to be an interesting statement and it seems as if Coach Pitino and Jenkins have dropped some hints about this being a problem.

Besides the obvious upgrade of talent that is needed, I think team chemistry is a major issue with this group.
Yea saw that comment as well but still if true It can all stem from money allotted as I’m sure some of the guys making the most are not the guys performing the best.
 
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