Rick Pitino - Head Coach at St John’s University!!!

Beasts of the East said:
Chris Ledlum is just so damned mature, so damned smart, and so damned aware. He gets it, totally gets it.

You see, he knows that basketball is a nuanced game, completely and totally. It's freeform art. Whereas football is so structured, executing plays from a playbook where every guy on the field must perform as the play goes, while basketball has many of those attributes, football is more like a symphony. Basketball is often jazz, free form motion.

So what Chris can produce depends on the space created by Soriano and Jenkins being in sympatico. Soriano excels in the post, now Ledlum's mannhas to pay as much attention to helping out as stopping Ledlum. Defenses collapse, and that gives more room for midrange and outside shots. Beautiful, really.

I love Chris; he is just really smart. Maybe not Harvard smart without basketball, but lots has rubbed off on him. This is a guy who is going to have tons of post basketball success.

Charles Barkley, who CRP compared Ledlum to (maybe more wishfully or motivationally) certainly physically, once said "Basketball is a game that rewards many talents". Brilliant statement. He said that in response to many NBA players looking down on plodding Euro players who could neither run as fast nor jump as high. Still those guys could shoot and pass, and play smart ball and were excelling.

My first conversation with Chris I said to him in front of our entire table, "Wow, this must be so hard for you to handle the rigorous academics of St. John's after going to a smaller school like Harvard". Instead of laughing, he politely flashed his million dollar smile, then got serious without missing a beat and said "You know, my major here in grad school is international business, and the courses are difficult. I have to work really hard to keep up."

Happy to have him. Another PHD.
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The press conferences are good listens. . .kids are mature and speak well. . .And, when CRP speaks I lean forward to listen intently. . .everything he says is insightful and with a purpose
 
Beasts of the East said:
Chris Ledlum is just so damned mature, so damned smart, and so damned aware. He gets it, totally gets it.

You see, he knows that basketball is a nuanced game, completely and totally. It's freeform art. Whereas football is so structured, executing plays from a playbook where every guy on the field must perform as the play goes, while basketball has many of those attributes, football is more like a symphony. Basketball is often jazz, free form motion.

So what Chris can produce depends on the space created by Soriano and Jenkins being in sympatico. Soriano excels in the post, now Ledlum's mannhas to pay as much attention to helping out as stopping Ledlum. Defenses collapse, and that gives more room for midrange and outside shots. Beautiful, really.

I love Chris; he is just really smart. Maybe not Harvard smart without basketball, but lots has rubbed off on him. This is a guy who is going to have tons of post basketball success.

Charles Barkley, who CRP compared Ledlum to (maybe more wishfully or motivationally) certainly physically, once said "Basketball is a game that rewards many talents". Brilliant statement. He said that in response to many NBA players looking down on plodding Euro players who could neither run as fast nor jump as high. Still those guys could shoot and pass, and play smart ball and were excelling.

My first conversation with Chris I said to him in front of our entire table, "Wow, this must be so hard for you to handle the rigorous academics of St. John's after going to a smaller school like Harvard". Instead of laughing, he politely flashed his million dollar smile, then got serious without missing a beat and said "You know, my major here in grad school is international business, and the courses are difficult. I have to work really hard to keep up."

Happy to have him. Another PHD.
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Beast , as you have said before , Ledlum is more than a Basketball Player and his answer to your question is a reflection of that . He could have easily said” Yes , the Course work here is very easy , compared to Harvard .” I think sometimes , many of us , believe these high echelon schools are way better than what they really are . From what I know , the Tobin School curriculum is very rigorous and not a walk in the park .

He didn’t ! It’s why a young Man like Chris will make a mark for himself , long after his BB days are behind him .
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
Beast , as you have said before , Ledlum is more than a Basketball Player and his answer to your question is a reflection of that . He could have easily said” Yes , the Course work here is very easy , compared to Harvard .” I think sometimes , many of us , believe these high echelon schools are way better than what they really are . From what I know , the Tobin School curriculum is very rigorous and not a walk in the park .

He didn’t ! It’s why a young Man like Chris will make a mark for himself , long after his BB days are behind him .
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I agree with your comment, and believe Chris when he says he is working hard to keep up.
 
Beasts of the East said:
Chris Ledlum is just so damned mature, so damned smart, and so damned aware. He gets it, totally gets it.

You see, he knows that basketball is a nuanced game, completely and totally. It's freeform art. Whereas football is so structured, executing plays from a playbook where every guy on the field must perform as the play goes, while basketball has many of those attributes, football is more like a symphony. Basketball is often jazz, free form motion.

So what Chris can produce depends on the space created by Soriano and Jenkins being in sympatico. Soriano excels in the post, now Ledlum's mannhas to pay as much attention to helping out as stopping Ledlum. Defenses collapse, and that gives more room for midrange and outside shots. Beautiful, really.

I love Chris; he is just really smart. Maybe not Harvard smart without basketball, but lots has rubbed off on him. This is a guy who is going to have tons of post basketball success.

Charles Barkley, who CRP compared Ledlum to (maybe more wishfully or motivationally) certainly physically, once said "Basketball is a game that rewards many talents". Brilliant statement. He said that in response to many NBA players looking down on plodding Euro players who could neither run as fast nor jump as high. Still those guys could shoot and pass, and play smart ball and were excelling.

My first conversation with Chris I said to him in front of our entire table, "Wow, this must be so hard for you to handle the rigorous academics of St. John's after going to a smaller school like Harvard". Instead of laughing, he politely flashed his million dollar smile, then got serious without missing a beat and said "You know, my major here in grad school is international business, and the courses are difficult. I have to work really hard to keep up."

Happy to have him. Another PHD.
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Harvard “once” was a great institution but seeing their new leadership and how they are handling anti semitism, I’ve lost allot of respect for that university.
 
dk423 said:
I actually don't agree with those comparisons though.

Pro MLB/NBA/NFL managers are typically not also in charge of roster building like NCAA coaches are. I agree that to place a value on a manager's record is a very difficult, if not impossible task.

But for NCAA coaches, they are responsible for the roster and in-game coaching (as you know), so a lot of the factors for the wins and losses ultimately fall on them. Jay Wright and Coach K both coached in the non-transfer era (and for Wright's Hofstra tenure, the non-1 & done era); you had to give these coaches at least 5-7 years to properly judge them. Hofstra's last four years under Wright were very successful, and showed a clear upwards, sustainable trajectory for success.

I'd also say the context of Army is completely different than any other non-military academy school. What type of recruiting is he supposed to do? Having a 19 and 20 game winning record is very impressive.

I'm sorry, but there's nothing from Mas' resume that should make us excited and certainly make him an heir apparent without a national search. This is all premature and conjecture, but I don't see why this should be a solution we're excited about.
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I think this is a very good post.

MLB success as a manager is irrelevant to the discussion of college basketball success.

Tony LaRussa once said a manager is worth no more than 4-6 wins in a season. This is a direct quote: "“Every successful manager has players,” La Russa said. “That's the No. 1 message. Coaches and managers don't decide baseball."

Constructing a winning team in the pre-transfer Portal and NIL days could take 4-6 years, that's correct. However I'd venture to say that astute watchers knew which guys could coach and which couldn't. It's not absolute.

I remember conversation I once had with an excellent coach who won big at every level he ever coached. I asked him what he thought of Norm and he said, "Listen, I coached against Norm when he was was freshman coach at Molloy hs. He sucked then as a coach, sucked at Queens college, and sucks now at St. Johns"

On the dump on Norm subject, a local college coach told a mutual buddy of ours after his team played st. John's, "This was unbelievable. Coaches usually substitute based on what you are doing that's working. If you have success pressing, the sub in a guard with a handle. If you are killing them on the boards, they go big
Etc. Norm didn't make a single strategic sub against us. Crazy."

So while good coaches often take time to build a program, typically lack of success at other stops is an indicator of future failure too. It's not absolute but it is real, especially the multi faceted skills you need to evaluate and recruit talent, develop skills, and in game coach.

Honestly, even if my opinion was different than yours I'd be respectful of yours. I'm not here to prove I'm smarter than anyone, because I'm not.

This week I met with Gabelmc for three hours and taught him everything i know about basketball. That took 5 minutes and the rest of the time he rolled his eyes at my nonsense.
 
Silly Donovan said:
Harvard “once” was a great institution but seeing their new leadership and how they are handling anti semitism, I’ve lost allot of respect for that university.
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University presidents by and large are terrified to enter into this conflict, where a single word out of place even if well reasoned can have explosive consequences on their campus and to their careers.

Very simply, if even one courageous individual would stand up and proclaim, "Our university will not tolerate intolerance - not racial, religious, or political. While students are compelled by their conscience to express diverse and sometimes conflicting opinions, hateful or threatening language or behaviors will result in immediate expulsion and may be subject to criminal prosecution. We encourage our students to engage in civil discourse that promote peaceful and just resolutions to complex world issues."
 
Beasts of the East said:
University presidents by and large are terrified to enter into this conflict, where a single word out of place even if well reasoned can have explosive consequences on their campus and to their careers.

Very simply, if even one courageous individual would stand up and proclaim, "Our university will not tolerate intolerance - not racial, religious, or political. While students are compelled by their conscience to express diverse and sometimes conflicting opinions, hateful or threatening language or behaviors will result in immediate expulsion and may be subject to criminal prosecution. We encourage our students to engage in civil discourse that promote peaceful and just resolutions to complex world issues."
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Is it so difficult to distinguish between free speech language and language
that equates to shouting ,"FiRE," in a crowded theatre !
 
swish said:
Is it so difficult to distinguish between free speech language and language
that equates to shouting ,"FiRE," in a crowded theatre !
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Shouting fire in a crowded theater is protected speech.

On topic: Re Ledlum, i've said before and I'll say again that as much as I want my alma mater's basketball team to be good, its nice when you actually like the kids on the team too. Ledlum, Dingle, Joel, Alleyne, Wilcher, Drissa..all super impressive people in addition to being good players.
 
tnice said:
Shouting fire in a crowded theater is protected speech.

On topic: Re Ledlum, i've said before and I'll say again that as much as I want my alma mater's basketball team to be good, its nice when you actually like the kids on the team too. Ledlum, Dingle, Joel, Alleyne, Wilcher, Drissa..all super impressive people in addition to being good players.
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Yes if there is a fire.
 
tnice said:
No, even if there isn't
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Depends on the circumstances but prior post was using it as an example to show not all speech is protected. If person yells fire in a crowed movie theater with intent to cause a stampede or riot it would not be protected. Neither is speech intended to cause fear annoyance or alarm to another person. At this point your speech is starting to cause me annoyance. 🤪😉😊🤣
 
bamafan said:
Depends on the circumstances but prior post was using it as an example to show not all speech is protected. If person yells fire in a crowed movie theater with intent to cause a stampede or riot it would not be protected. Neither is speech intended to cause fear annoyance or alarm to another person. At this point your speech is starting to cause me annoyance. 🤪😉😊🤣
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Depends on the “context” 🙄
 
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