Revamped Big East

[lawmanfan]

Air Force
Boise St.
BYU
Houston
Louisville
Memphis

Cincinnati
Connecticut
Navy
Rutgers
South Florida
Temple


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Butler
DePaul
Houston
Marquette
Memphis
Notre Dame

Cincinnati
Louisville
Rutgers
South Florida
Temple
Xavier

Connecticut
Georgetown
Providence
Seton Hall
St. John's
Villanova

18 teams, three divisions, 22-game regular season (10 home and home division games, six home/six away vs. other two divisions. Everyone plays each other at least once.)

And in football, while other bloated BCS conferences beat each other up, Boise goes 11-1/12-0 every year and either is in contention for championship game or has legitimate gripe that an undefeated team is being hosed.
 

 

I like it a lot, but I think it's more likely that you delete BYU and Butler and replace them with SMU. Then Louisville moves to the East in football as SMU is in the West. SMU replaces Butler's spot in your lineup.

I like your lineup better, but it sounds like Houston, SMU, Boise and Air Force are a done deal. Navy is hedging, but I think they will be in once the rest of the schools are clearly in. We all want Memphis and Temple to strengthen the basketball side and there is room for them on the football side. Hopefully the basketball schools will prevail on keeping some strength in hoops after football has been saved, and Villanova will just stop the nonsense.

 

[FranWho?]

 Pitino has right idea. Look at remainning BE FB schools:
UCONN & Louisville add value to BB conference but will be gone within 3 momnths
So. Fla & RU add no value to BB conf
Cincy remainning FB school which adds value to BB conference
Commissinor must not add FB schools which add no value to BB side. B)

 

First of all, for Louisville and UCONN to go anywhere, someone will have to want them. At this point, no one does. Plus, if you can get the conference stabilized, raise the exit fee and retain the BCS status, then there is definitely a shot at keeping the thing together. However, I do agree, Memphis and Temple should both be added. If they can't get Temple in because of Villanova, they should still invite Memphis anyway. 

 

Who, aside from nova, would vote against Temple.

 

No one independently, but if Villanova made a big enough stink, there might be enough schools that respect their wishes. But, I say, bring on Temple.

 

[lawmanfan]

I said I would stop doing this until the musical chairs stopped, but the below looks possible based on multiple reports that: (1) Boise, Air Force, Houston, SMU, and UCF are pretty much done deals; (2) Navy is likely to be in once they are satisfied that the conference is viable; (3) the western schools are lobbying for BYU; and (4) the basketball schools are (or should be) pushing for Memphis and Temple (we know Pitino is).

Big East Football West
Boise, Air Force, Houston, SMU, Louisville, Memphis, BYU

Big East Football East
UConn, Rutgers, USF, Cincinnati, Navy, Temple, UCF

Big East Basketball East:
Rutgers, South Florida, Temple, Connecticut, Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, Villanova

Big East Basketball West:
DePaul, Houston, SMU, Marquette, Memphis, Notre Dame, Cincinnati, Louisville, UCF

 

[tom in salem]

 Pitino has right idea. Look at remainning BE FB schools:
UCONN & Louisville add value to BB conference but will be gone within 3 momnths
So. Fla & RU add no value to BB conf
Cincy remainning FB school which adds value to BB conference
Commissinor must not add FB schools which add no value to BB side. B)

 

First of all, for Louisville and UCONN to go anywhere, someone will have to want them. At this point, no one does. Plus, if you can get the conference stabilized, raise the exit fee and retain the BCS status, then there is definitely a shot at keeping the thing together. However, I do agree, Memphis and Temple should both be added. If they can't get Temple in because of Villanova, they should still invite Memphis anyway. 

 

Who, aside from nova, would vote against Temple.

 

No one independently, but if Villanova made a big enough stink, there might be enough schools that respect their wishes. But, I say, bring on Temple.

 

Heck, they wanted the ACC. Screw 'em.

 

[jetstorm]

 Though I love the balance 22 conference games is way too much.

I figured while other top teams were still in the middle of their OOC games against Southeast Westnorthern State University, we'd already be into conference games and getting good ratings. Plus we'd probably only get four patsies a year, because the other four OOC games would be against the likes of Duke and UCLA, etc.

But if it makes you happy, before submitting my plan to Marinatto I can change it to 16-game schedule, with each team playing three teams a year from the other two conferences. That way, those cowards at Villanova only see Temple every other year in the regular season.

 
Nova plays Temple every year now in The Big Five!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you don't like Nova fans wait till you meet Temple fans

 

[frank61]

I think this allignment would make the Big East better than it was prior to the earthquake. 

 

[jetstorm]

I think this allignment would make the Big East better than it was prior to the earthquake. 

 
Only in football. Basketball will be watered down. SMU UCF yech!

 

[austour]

 Any solution that has Doh coaching in the Big East is unacceptable. ; )

 

[Class of 72]

I think this allignment would make the Big East better than it was prior to the earthquake. 

 
Only in football. Basketball will be watered down. SMU UCF yech!

 

Programs rise and programs fall. As long as there is a rising St. John's, Providence, Villanova, Marquette, Uconn, Georgetown, Rutgers and Louisville, along with a rising Houston and/or Temple, the Big East tourney will sell out.

 

[kranmars]

 Though I love the balance 22 conference games is way too much.

I figured while other top teams were still in the middle of their OOC games against Southeast Westnorthern State University, we'd already be into conference games and getting good ratings. Plus we'd probably only get four patsies a year, because the other four OOC games would be against the likes of Duke and UCLA, etc.

But if it makes you happy, before submitting my plan to Marinatto I can change it to 16-game schedule, with each team playing three teams a year from the other two conferences. That way, those cowards at Villanova only see Temple every other year in the regular season.

 
Nova plays Temple every year now in The Big Five!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you don't like Nova fans wait till you meet Temple fans

 

Philadelphia sports fans are the most vile, vermin in the country, by a mile. Having two schools from that city in the BE would cause a relapse of my vertigo. But it would strangthen the conference. So I am prepared to stay in a dark room with my eyes closed and wait until the vertigo passes more often during basketball season.

On a different note, while I agree Villanova's pipe dream of upgrading its football program and leaving the BE is nothing more than an idol threat, I would be upset at the prospects of Temple joing the conference. It will affect recruiting. They won't be the only BE school in that town any longer. Imagine the level of anger here, if Fordham for example was rumored to join the BE. We would not be happy sharing the conference with another NYC school.

 

[Jnaw17]

The BE basketball schools need to decide if the remaining football schools (and I use that term loosely based on the quality of what's left) are committed to stay or just hanging until another opportunity comes along. If it's the latter, then they should go after the stronger basketball schools that are out there (Xavier, Butler, Dayton, Memphis-whose football team is a joke anyway) and rid themselves of this football nonsense.

I'm fine with adding Temple, but many of these other schools they're talking about to help with football are not even close to helping in basketball. However this all shakes out, it would be great to have a solid 12 team league for basketball.

 

[MCNPA]

The BE basketball schools need to decide if the remaining football schools (and I use that term loosely based on the quality of what's left) are committed to stay or just hanging until another opportunity comes along. If it's the latter, then they should go after the stronger basketball schools that are out there (Xavier, Butler, Dayton, Memphis-whose football team is a joke anyway) and rid themselves of this football nonsense.

I'm fine with adding Temple, but many of these other schools they're talking about to help with football are not even close to helping in basketball. However this all shakes out, it would be great to have a solid 12 team league for basketball.

 

What's the harm in hanging on as long as possible? Let all the football schools leave and pay us tens of millions of dollars first. The inevitable or "fall-back" will always be a bball-only league with schools like the ones you mention. No need to rush into it.

 

[LJSA]

Imagine the level of anger here, if Fordham for example was rumored to join the BE. We would not be happy sharing the conference with another NYC school.

 

I'd be angry because they are an inferior basketball team that brings down the quality of the conference, not because I felt threatened.

 

[mjmaherjr]

 Though I love the balance 22 conference games is way too much.

I figured while other top teams were still in the middle of their OOC games against Southeast Westnorthern State University, we'd already be into conference games and getting good ratings. Plus we'd probably only get four patsies a year, because the other four OOC games would be against the likes of Duke and UCLA, etc.

But if it makes you happy, before submitting my plan to Marinatto I can change it to 16-game schedule, with each team playing three teams a year from the other two conferences. That way, those cowards at Villanova only see Temple every other year in the regular season.

 
Nova plays Temple every year now in The Big Five!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you don't like Nova fans wait till you meet Temple fans

 

Philadelphia sports fans are the most vile, vermin in the country, by a mile.

  Any quote from someone describing fans in another city as Vermin gets a +1 Karma

 

[Mean Gene]

The BE basketball schools need to decide if the remaining football schools (and I use that term loosely based on the quality of what's left) are committed to stay or just hanging until another opportunity comes along. If it's the latter, then they should go after the stronger basketball schools that are out there (Xavier, Butler, Dayton, Memphis-whose football team is a joke anyway) and rid themselves of this football nonsense.

I'm fine with adding Temple, but many of these other schools they're talking about to help with football are not even close to helping in basketball. However this all shakes out, it would be great to have a solid 12 team league for basketball.

 


If thet don't want Memphis then they should add BYU for Basketball also. They have an excellent Bball program and history. I know they're far away and there would be alot of traveling but their Bball program would be a plus.

 

[LJSA]

If thet don't want Memphis then they should add BYU for Basketball also. They have an excellent Bball program and history. I know they're far away and there would be alot of traveling but their Bball program would be a plus.

 

I'd love to have them, but that's way too much travel, so there's no way they'd go for it. Plus in the WCC they'll be in contention for the NCAAs every year.

 

[jrhoops1949]

The BE basketball schools need to decide if the remaining football schools (and I use that term loosely based on the quality of what's left) are committed to stay or just hanging until another opportunity comes along. If it's the latter, then they should go after the stronger basketball schools that are out there (Xavier, Butler, Dayton, Memphis-whose football team is a joke anyway) and rid themselves of this football nonsense.

I'm fine with adding Temple, but many of these other schools they're talking about to help with football are not even close to helping in basketball. However this all shakes out, it would be great to have a solid 12 team league for basketball.

Memphis or Temple not coming unless they feel they got a home for their FB programs.  

 

[Class of 72]

 We will soon learn more than we need to know about Contract Law with UWV suing the Big East to get out of the 27 month exit notice rule! These Hillbillies have a lot of balls! Sharpen your pencil Fun!

 

[Save The Hero]

 We will soon learn more than we need to know about Contract Law with UWV suing the Big East to get out of the 27 month exit notice rule! These Hillbillies have a lot of balls! Sharpen your pencil Fun!

 

Heres the lawsuit:

http://www.wvmetronews.com/content/File/SKMBT_C45111103114550.pdf

Its funny since they say: "The departure of Pittsburgh, UConn, and TCU" and right under that they say: "The departure of Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and TCU"

Horribly and hastily written with no grounds. Should be interesting if the Big East doesnt profit from other discoveries.

All in all WVU has made a commitment it cannot keep in getting the the Big 12 by 2012 and are scrambling to get it done without settling a big money buyout. 

 

[Class of 72]

 We will soon learn more than we need to know about Contract Law with UWV suing the Big East to get out of the 27 month exit notice rule! These Hillbillies have a lot of balls! Sharpen your pencil Fun!

 

Heres the lawsuit:

http://www.wvmetronews.com/content/File/SKMBT_C45111103114550.pdf

Its funny since they say: "The departure of Pittsburgh, UConn, and TCU" and right under that they say: "The departure of Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and TCU"

Horribly and hastily written with no grounds. Should be interesting if the Big East doesnt profit from other discoveries.

All in all WVU has made a commitment it cannot keep in getting the the Big 12 by 2012 and are scrambling to get it done without settling a big money buyout. 

 

WVU has opened its own can of worms here since (a) there is nothing in the bylaws stating that schools that played both football and basketball needed equal representation in the conference (b) WVU caused the imbalance by accepting the Big 12 bid (c) the BE commissioner has a fiduciary responsibilitiy to the conference and not to any particular school (d) WVU co-authored the legislation it now opposes.
I can see WVU not having any conference affiliation if it refuses to schedule fellow BE schools and thereby nullifying its NCAA credentials to participate in any post season competition.

The BE should be awarded a hefty settlement now that WVU has put this claim forward.