Revamped Big East

 I wouldn't miss SU. Not at all. When they play Duke, I can finally root for Duke. I'll be cheering Duke on to slap them all around the court and then wipe their shoes off on them, sending the message the that there is an orange doormat in the ACC.
 
The old guard on Tobacco road will not be happy. Moving the BB tourney to MSG will make the trip more dificult and expensive, in addition to also insulting the old school boys.

Down here the big talk is about SYR bringing the NYC market for BB . When I left NYC I believed ND was NY's team, is this still true ? 

BTW I tell them DC is closer to NYC, thean SYR, so much for proximity.
 
The old guard on Tobacco road will not be happy. Moving the BB tourney to MSG will make the trip more dificult and expensive, in addition to also insulting the old school boys.

Down here the big talk is about SYR bringing the NYC market for BB . When I left NYC I believed ND was NY's team, is this still true ? 

BTW I tell them DC is closer to NYC, thean SYR, so much for proximity.
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Syracuse has a strong NYC alumni base, so they would definatly help fill the garden at tourney time. All the local bar owners will be pushing for it, too. Syracuse fans fill those places up when they are in town.

I understand UNC not likeing the tourney moving out of Carolina, but Duke has a lot of fake fans in the NYC area. They are college basketball's equivilant of U2 or the Beatles, they draw a mob-like crowd anywhere they go.
 
 What worries me is that the very thing that has led Pitt and SUcks to the ACC, may be the same thing that keeps them playing a few games at The Garden each year...money. The powers that be at MSG will be more than happy to schedule games with these guys against a Duke or UNC because they know it will sellout and bring lots of revenue.
 
 What worries me is that the very thing that has led Pitt and SUcks to the ACC, may be the same thing that keeps them playing a few games at The Garden each year...money. The powers that be at MSG will be more than happy to schedule games with these guys against a Duke or UNC because they know it will sellout and bring lots of revenue.
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So would SU play a home conference game at the 19,000 seat Garden (at a cost) instead of their 30,000+ seat on campus arena? They would sell out the Dome as easily as the Garden.
 
The basketball only schools had better wake up as this is not over with reports that WVU, RU, and Yukon will be elsewhere in the near future. It's time to form a basketball only conference or division within the conference. SJU, SH, GTown, Villa, Provid, Marq, DePaul, ND, and Xavier; 9 teams with a home and home 16 game balanced schedule. Adding USF and TCU have obviosuly failed to strengthen the league and keep it together. Talk of Kansas and K-State, while good basketball programs, offer more of the same - no real rivalies, multiple time zones, and significant distance between schools.  
 
 With Syracuse and Pitt leaving for the ACC and the ACC sniffing around Uconn and Rutgers, its pretty clear the Big East won't exist for much longer.

There's always been talk about a catholic school conference or basketball only conference when that eventually happened.

What do you guys prefer?

I'd like to see the hoops schools band together and create a hoops super conference. There are a bunch of basketball schools around the country that are going to be on the outside looking in when the dust settles and the era of the MEGA conferences begins.

I'd like to see something like this. A 14 or 16 team conference with east and west divisions:

East: St John's, Georgetown, Villanova, Providence, Seton Hall, Xavier, and another A-10 Richmond, Temple, GW, etc.

West: Notre Dame, Marquette, Gonzaga, St Mary's, DePaul, Memphis, St Louis.

This presumes that ND maintains its independent status in football and doesn't just join the Big 12. If they bolt for the safety of the big 12 then you might have to juggle things a little for balance/travel/etc.


I doubt it could get done, but that basketball conference could compete with any recruiting-wise and for TV dollars.
 
 The best thing about returning to a basketball only conference is getting to see G'Town and Nova every year again in the Garden.
Along with Syracuse, those were always the most fun events to attend.
 
 With Syracuse & Pitt off to the ACC, I think there are only 3 possible directions in which the Big East can go.

Scenario 1 - the Big East adds & expands. In this scenario they would have to add at least 3 football schools to join TCU next year. Geographically Army & Navy make the most sense along with a school like Kansas which would offset the loss of 2 basketball powers. This would give the league 18 teams and the annual Army - Navy game which I've read in the past that the Big East would like to have. Other schools have been mentioned in this scenario such as K-State, Iowa St & Baylor but Army & Navy make more sense in terms of geography.

Scenario 2 - Addition by Subtraction. Similar to scenario 1 but here we simply add Texas & Notre Dame to the football league to replace Syracuse & Pitt, and add another school like Xavier to give us a two division format. 8 basketball schools and 8 football schools. This is a very unlikely scenario since ND & Texas would probably never join the Big East over other conferences such as the Big 10 and the ACC, plus we would have to pull our offer from TCU as well.

Scenario 3 - No Football. The one scenario that has been discussed the most, is having the football schools leave outright. This would comprise of a 9 team conference with some very good basketball schools. The league could look like:

St. John's
Seton Hall
Georgetown
Villanova
Providence
Marquette
DePaul
Xavier
LaSalle or St. Joseph's or St. Bonaventure

Curious as to what others think about any and all of these 3 scenarios. To me Scenario 2 is the best in terms of marquee names & money but the most far fetched. Scenario 1 is enticing because of the addition of Kansas and the possibility of Army & Navy restoring their football glory days. Scenario 3 is nostalgic because it would return us back to the 80s and the days of the original Big East. Home & home games with everyone and a lot of flexibility in terms of non-conference scheduling. 
 
 Check out the 3 scenarios in my post and tell me what you think. Of course it's possible that none will actually take place but some of what you mention here is addressed.
 
Do you believe this quote form Syracuse? Last I looked Syracuse is 270 miles from NYC, hell Storrs is only 150 and Boston is 225. Why don't they lay claim to being NYC's teams. Pathetic
"We are pleased that Syracuse adds a New York City dimension to the ACC, a region in which we have built strong identity and affinity, and we look forward to bringing ACC games to the Big Apple," Syracuse chancellor Nancy Cantor said in a release. "Overall, for Syracuse, this opportunity provides long-term conference stability in what is an uncertain, evolving, and rapidly shifting national landscape." 
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LMAO!! That bitch has no clue, no clue whatsoever !!! She only wishes Syracuse, the university was located in NYC instead of being near the border with Canada! That comment is like Stanford claiming L.A as
their home even though they are closer to S.F. ! LOL!! -----and----- what games is the bitch referring to? The only games with ACC teams that would sell in NYC are Duke and UNC! So the poor snooks at the Carrier Dome get the watered-down home games against GaTech?
 
 Check out the 3 scenarios in my post and tell me what you think. Of course it's possible that none will actually take place but some of what you mention here is addressed.
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I think that courting more football schools like Kansas, Kansas St, TCU etc would be tough. It sets us up for the same dilemma we are facing somewhere down the road.
 
Looking back, adding Penn St when they applied to the Big East nearly 30 years ago may have been the answer for long term survival of the league. They would have been the 10th member, have a huge alumni, kept the rivalry with Pitt, and allowed for a 12 team league after Va Tech and Miami joined. It may have kept these two schools as well as prevented the departures of BC and now Pitt and Syr.  
 
Maybe not SJUFan2. Its been long predicted that college sports has been heading in the direction of having 5 or 6 mega super conferences. I think what we are seeing is the first step toward this goal, but once everything clears there will be a handful of football dominated leagues that will hang around for a while. The only question is whether we will be included in one?
 
I think it's more likely that a shell of the Big 12 invites Big East leftovers to them rather than the other way around.

Rutgers and Connecticut to ACC
West Virginia (along with Texas A&M) to SEC

Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida, and TCU to Big 12

The basketball schools keep the Big East name. They won't know what the hell to do with it, but at least they have the name.

I'd love for the Big East to become a landing spot for football independents' olympic sports, but I can't see it happening.

Imagine if Texas decided to go independent, and was in the same basketball conference as Notre Dame and BYU, along with our soon to be orphaned seven catholic schools and Xavier. 
 
Looking back, adding Penn St when they applied to the Big East nearly 30 years ago may have been the answer for long term survival of the league. They would have been the 10th member, have a huge alumni, kept the rivalry with Pitt, and allowed for a 12 team league after Va Tech and Miami joined. It may have kept these two schools as well as prevented the departures of BC and now Pitt and Syr.  
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Dave Gavitt founded a hoops conference.
The football schools had their own ideas and bullied the basketball schools into adding more all sports schools.
Let them walk, we'll be fine.
Temple and Umass would be fine additions, in fact Umass is a sleeping giant up here as no one in Boston gives a sh/t about college hoops anyway.
 
I would prefer a basketball a setup like SJUFAN2 just sketched out. I think as long as the football teams are around us we will continue to have friction. Football and Basketball schools dance to a different drumbeat and therein lies the problem. We often vote for a move we really don't like just to placate the football schools and many times to our detriment,
I think we could attract some schools that when added to ours will create a wonderful platform to make a super-conference for basketball only. This football led convulsion is affecting all conferences and will continue to do so. I am sure with the right schools we can be very attractive to some network that is eager to address the desires of the fans who are into basketball more than football. I can only speak for myself but I love Pro Football, hate college football. I love college basketball but do not watch pro basketball at all. I do not think I am alone. 
 
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