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Tom, that would make Hoops Weiss of the Daily News flip his wig!! LOL! The owl alum has been very vocal in supporting that move.
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Tom, that would make Hoops Weiss of the Daily News flip his wig!! LOL! The owl alum has been very vocal in supporting that move.
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Source with knowledge (gosh I hate that term) says done deal by tomorrow.
Great pick up.
Screw nova.
Agree with Tom here. Temple has large enrollment, rebuilt football program and storied bball program. It's a great add. Bring one other big football/bball school in like Memphis and I think the Big east is in fantastic shape to maintain the conference.
I think Memphis would be a great southern addition. They are in a football hotbed and have really been overlooked football-wise. They average at least as many fans to football games as Syracuse. Their basketball program has phenomenal support. Better than most in the big east. They'd be top 3 in the big east in bball attendance, competing for #1.
Certainly need more commitment by members to keep this thing together and stay the best bball conference in America as well as have a solid if unspectacular football conference. Can't keep this thing together without a commitment by member schools to keep building instead of just piggybacking and trying to steal southern football dollars ala Cuse, Pitt and BC.
I personally don't think that the ACC wants to add any more big east schools. They just don't like how the big east was totally overshadowing their basketball league and wanted to break that up. It won't work if we have a commitment to stay strong.
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Marcus, nova wants out.
Screw 'em.
Agree, but nobody is going to want Villanova Nova isn't even as good as Hofstra. Not sure where they think they're going, they don't even have a d1 team nor stadium. Nova wanting out for a bigger football conference is the equivalent of mjmaher showing up for Jets tryouts hoping to land the second string QB gig.
It's moronic and I'm not sure they realize how dumb it makes them look trying to push their non-football program into one of the mega-conferences. They're traitors in my book too now though. 
If that is the case then adding Temple is a very good move.
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Temple on verge of Big East invite?
Posted by John Taylor on October 1, 2011, 10:30 AM EDT
An original football-playing member of the Big East in 1991, Temple and the conference “parted ways” in 2004 due to a combination of poor performance and lack of fan support.
Seven years later, and as was suggested here a week ago, the Owls could be on the verge of a return.
According to the Sporting News, the presidents of current Big East members will meet Sunday in Washington to continue discussions as to how the conference can stave off extinction following the departures of Pittsburgh and Syracuse. One of the items on the agenda? The presidents will reportedly vote on extending an offer to Temple to become a full-fledged member of the conference, including, obviously, in football.
The Owls currently call the MAC — where they landed after getting the boot from the Big East and spending two years as an independent — their conference home for football, while their other sports play in the Atlantic 10.
Another item on the agenda will reportedly be “demanding” a commitment from UConn and Rutgers. Both schools have been connected to rumors and speculation – and in one case, public confirmation — regarding a potential move to the ACC. Unlike current conference brethren Pitt and ‘Cuse, however, any interest in the ACC has not yet been reciprocated by the conference.
Posted by John Taylor on October 1, 2011, 10:30 AM EDT
An original football-playing member of the Big East in 1991, Temple and the conference “parted ways” in 2004 due to a combination of poor performance and lack of fan support.
Seven years later, and as was suggested here a week ago, the Owls could be on the verge of a return.
According to the Sporting News, the presidents of current Big East members will meet Sunday in Washington to continue discussions as to how the conference can stave off extinction following the departures of Pittsburgh and Syracuse. One of the items on the agenda? The presidents will reportedly vote on extending an offer to Temple to become a full-fledged member of the conference, including, obviously, in football.
The Owls currently call the MAC — where they landed after getting the boot from the Big East and spending two years as an independent — their conference home for football, while their other sports play in the Atlantic 10.
Another item on the agenda will reportedly be “demanding” a commitment from UConn and Rutgers. Both schools have been connected to rumors and speculation – and in one case, public confirmation — regarding a potential move to the ACC. Unlike current conference brethren Pitt and ‘Cuse, however, any interest in the ACC has not yet been reciprocated by the conference.
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And Navy loses to Air Force by one point in overtime for the President's Cup. One of the most exiting football games of the year in Annapolis. I guess the Big East should withdraw offers to both Temple and Navy...yawn. Meanwhile in Big East football Syracuse and Rutgers are tied 13-13 in a real yawner at the Dome! If Cuse weren't leaving for the ACC I'd expel them! As for Rutgers they continue to do the Big East proud in football and will surely be used by the Big East as leverage in any TV deal. LOL!
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Another tough day?
They almost beat Penn St, and crushed Maryland.
You're just pissed they're getting in.
Screw nova.
The loss to Syracuse was due to a ref job.
And they barely lost to #15 Ohio St.
They did get blown out by #4 Boise, but a lot of teams do.
Toledo has a really good passing game. They were better than 1-3.
And it seems like you are anti-Temple simply because you have a kid attending Villanova, which is really ... weird.
North Carolina has 4 teams in the ACC. UNC,Duke WF,NCState. Duke and UNC are probably the same geographical distance from each other as temple and Nova. We are talking about survival here. Novas FB team is terrible , they should be supporting this move. If miraculuosly the BE do not loose any other teams and add Navy and Memphis the conference might even end up in better shape then before.
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Hey Otis, do you think Villanova's ACC football aspirations may have been damaged today? Nova loses at home in front of an intimate gathering of 6,000 to W&M 20-16 and is now 1-4. Quite a resume!!! In other ACC news Syracuse loses to powerhouse Rutgers 19-16 at the Dome! ACC hopeful Uconn loses to WMU....whoever they are! And to think the Big East wants to add Navy, Temple, ECU, UCF or Memphis!!!!
Temple is no worse than most of the other Big East teams in football, their basketball team should be fairly competitive in the Big East, they are geographically attractive, and they are a "safe" school in that they are unlikely to be wanted by any other major conference. Presumably the theory is that TCU would be the other entry, so you are replacing Pitt and Syracuse with TCU and Temple.
That is obviously a huge step down in both football and basketball, but it does help the Big East survive - IF no other members depart. It sure looks like if the Big East hangs together with those additions, the basketball schools will owe a thank-you to Rick Pitino, because it will mean that some of the football schools, led by Louisville, insisted that the other football schools stop playing footsie and commit to the conference.
It still seems unlikely that those schools will commit to staying in a second-rate football conference, which means that the Big East will have to take action to upgrade itself.
The end game for the other conferences is clearly to get to 16 football teams, which means that if the BE adds TCU and Temple it is still 8 football teams short. The additional structural problem is that unless the basketball teams are jettisoned, if you add 8 more two-sport programs you get to 16 in football, but 24 in basketball. 24 is a ridiculous number (I used to think 16 was a ridiculous number, but I've adjusted to that. I don't know whether i could adjust to 24.)
The additional question is, where do you get 8 football schools that want to join your crappy football conference?
It seems to me that the only viable solution is to add four two-sport schools and four football-only schools, which gets to a 16 team football conference and a 20 team basketball conference.
Three obvious football-only members are the service academies, which apparently the Big East is already talking to. Four obvious dual-sport members are teams that would be available if the Big 12 broke up - or if the Big East raided the Big 12 - Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, and Iowa State. You would then need one more football-only member - or you would need a current basketball-only school to play football (HUGE pickup - ND; tiny pickup - Nova).
That would give you this conference for football and basketball:
Football East:
1. Rutgers
2. UConn
3. West Virginia
4. Army
5. Navy
6. USF
7. Temple
8. Louisville
Football West
1. Air Force
2. TCU
3. Kansas
4. Kansas State
5. Baylor
6. Iowa State
7. Cincinnati
8. ???????
Basketball East
1. Rutgers
2. UConn
3. West Virginia
4. St Johns
5. Georgetown
6. USF
7. Temple
8. Providence
9. Seton Hall
10. Villanova
Basketball West
1. Louisville
2. TCU
3. Kansas
4. Kansas State
5. Baylor
6. Iowa State
7. Cincinnati
8. Marquette
9. Notre Dame
10. DePaul
It might be a pipe dream - or it might take some vision and guts on the part of Big East to go make it happen, and then collect the top TV contract in college sports.
That is obviously a huge step down in both football and basketball, but it does help the Big East survive - IF no other members depart. It sure looks like if the Big East hangs together with those additions, the basketball schools will owe a thank-you to Rick Pitino, because it will mean that some of the football schools, led by Louisville, insisted that the other football schools stop playing footsie and commit to the conference.
It still seems unlikely that those schools will commit to staying in a second-rate football conference, which means that the Big East will have to take action to upgrade itself.
The end game for the other conferences is clearly to get to 16 football teams, which means that if the BE adds TCU and Temple it is still 8 football teams short. The additional structural problem is that unless the basketball teams are jettisoned, if you add 8 more two-sport programs you get to 16 in football, but 24 in basketball. 24 is a ridiculous number (I used to think 16 was a ridiculous number, but I've adjusted to that. I don't know whether i could adjust to 24.)
The additional question is, where do you get 8 football schools that want to join your crappy football conference?
It seems to me that the only viable solution is to add four two-sport schools and four football-only schools, which gets to a 16 team football conference and a 20 team basketball conference.
Three obvious football-only members are the service academies, which apparently the Big East is already talking to. Four obvious dual-sport members are teams that would be available if the Big 12 broke up - or if the Big East raided the Big 12 - Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, and Iowa State. You would then need one more football-only member - or you would need a current basketball-only school to play football (HUGE pickup - ND; tiny pickup - Nova).
That would give you this conference for football and basketball:
Football East:
1. Rutgers
2. UConn
3. West Virginia
4. Army
5. Navy
6. USF
7. Temple
8. Louisville
Football West
1. Air Force
2. TCU
3. Kansas
4. Kansas State
5. Baylor
6. Iowa State
7. Cincinnati
8. ???????
Basketball East
1. Rutgers
2. UConn
3. West Virginia
4. St Johns
5. Georgetown
6. USF
7. Temple
8. Providence
9. Seton Hall
10. Villanova
Basketball West
1. Louisville
2. TCU
3. Kansas
4. Kansas State
5. Baylor
6. Iowa State
7. Cincinnati
8. Marquette
9. Notre Dame
10. DePaul
It might be a pipe dream - or it might take some vision and guts on the part of Big East to go make it happen, and then collect the top TV contract in college sports.
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Lawman wrote:It might be a pipe dream - or it might take some vision and guts on the part of Big East to go make it happen, and then collect the top TV contract in college sports.
Whatever is in that pipe, pass it over to me! LOL! I see the opposite happening---Big 12 expands, Big East goes to 12 football schools max. Conference stays at 16 for basketball where it can dominate. ND stays independent and in the Big East. We will know this coming week I hope but I would still want a toke of your pipe!
Whatever is in that pipe, pass it over to me! LOL! I see the opposite happening---Big 12 expands, Big East goes to 12 football schools max. Conference stays at 16 for basketball where it can dominate. ND stays independent and in the Big East. We will know this coming week I hope but I would still want a toke of your pipe!
If it goes the other way then the BE will be a basketball-only conference. Rutgers and UConn will go to the ACC, West Va, Louisville and Cincy will go the Big 12, USF will go to the SEC. TCU goes someplace, maybe the Pac-12.
Then the BE is SJU, Seton Hall, Providence, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, DePaul, and ND (basketball only). If Temple is on board, then the league searches for around 3-more basketball-only schools, and then tries to compete against conferences that are taking in tons more money.
I happen to think the latter is the most likely scenario, but the Big 12 has big problems. The Big East needs to get with the program and take its shot.
Agree. Take a shot now. Add temple tomorrow and start making big moves. If the other leagues want mega-conferences, I like lawman's idea to build the biggest mega conference. Big 12 expanding wouldn't have nearly the PR draw as would the Big East expanding and adding some Big 12 members. Big East has greater visibility, marketability and existing TV markets.
Go big or go home is the ways it's going to be it seems. Im in favor. I'd rather go big and add some football-only members to get to a point where the football members are satisfied with their conference and we maintain the basketball mega-conference, whether it be 16 or 24 teams, I don't care. Survival is dependent on it at this point.
I'm not ready to concede to a glorified A-10 just yet. That is always going to be an option...the final option. It's not optimal and as some one said, if we can kick that can down the road for another decade or so, then we should. Welcome Temple.
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Sorry to disappoint you but consideration of mighty temple University as a member of the Big East is reportedly not on today's agenda at the meeting of the Big East Presidents.
Today's meeting will attempt to firm up the waffling commitments of bridesmaids west Virginia, Yukon, and rutgers who each openly yearn to be in another conference and resist raising the $5M exit fee. Today's agenda will include adding Air Force and Navy as members of the BEast Football only.
There is more intrigue and backstabbing with the BEast than in a Soprano's episode.
Below is a link to a good article by Kevin McNamara that reflect a centrist position as to what the future holds for the BEast Conference.
http://www.projo.com/pc/content/20111002-big-east-basketball_10-02-11_1RQN4OQ_v2.7c2a5.html
Sorry to disappoint you but consideration of mighty temple University as a member of the Big East is reportedly not on today's agenda at the meeting of the Big East Presidents.
Today's meeting will attempt to firm up the waffling commitments of bridesmaids west Virginia, Yukon, and rutgers who each openly yearn to be in another conference and resist raising the $5M exit fee. Today's agenda will include adding Air Force and Navy as members of the BEast Football only.
There is more intrigue and backstabbing with the BEast than in a Soprano's episode.
Below is a link to a good article by Kevin McNamara that reflect a centrist position as to what the future holds for the BEast Conference.
http://www.projo.com/pc/content/20111002-big-east-basketball_10-02-11_1RQN4OQ_v2.7c2a5.html
Understood why they need to squash the waffling teams issues before inviting a school like Temple. No sense in trying to move forward unless we can do so as a group or at least determine who to leave out of the future equation. Navy and air force make reasonable sense for the football side, but my concern is a out the basket all members and how to work ts thng out to keep all schools in.