Revamped Big East

[Class of 72]

 Agree, Lavin must be on a big stage.

 
Interesting. Often I've read on this board that foremost among the boons that SJ has much to offer prospective recruits is the opportunity to play in the world's greatest arena, in front of the world's greatest fans, in the world's most exciting media market, in the world's greatest city. And here it turns out that the only things standing between NYC and basketball obscurity were Syracuse and Podunk. Sorry, did I say Podunk? I meant Pittsburgh obviously.

 

All those coupled with being able to play in the best -- or, at least, one of the very best -- conference in the nation. Without that coupling, the other attractions diminish considerably.

 

Playing in MSG against Dayton, Seton Hall, Providence, DePaul, Xavier, Rutgers, ........I don't think so! MSG would have to be "contracted" for games against the Bigs like Duke, Syracuse, Uconn, Pitt, UCLA, Notre Dame, etc.....games where we may not even be the home team anymore!!! It would be truly ironic if in a few years the ACC tourney is at MSG, the A10 is in the new Brooklyn arena and St. John's has to travel to Providence for the Big East tourney!! BEWARE OF WHAT YOU WISH FOR my basketball only friends!!!

 

[gman]

 If those 4 schools leave the BE is going to be in trouble.

 

If UConn, Rutgers, TCU, WVU, Louisville and Cincy are in the Big East 2 years from now I will be shocked.

It seems increasingly clear that what is left of the BE will be a baksetball-only conference made up almost entirely of Catholic schools. It would take something seismic (as in a BE/B12 merger) to avoid that outcome. It's possible that there will be a sort of second-tier BE football conference that doesn't really amount to much.

 

We may know how committed the so-called football schools are after this weekend. On the basketball side you do not replace a Uconn, Pitt, Syracuse, UWV, Louisville. Even Villanova wants out. What guarantees are there that schools like Xavier or Dayton even want in? The Big East may have to merge with the A10 to be relevant in two years. Funny how the BE was caught asleep while the ACC becomes BIg East-North Divsion. The Big 12 is the strongest football conference in America and I doubt it folds. It has the luxury of just having to add 3 teams and they are set. No matter what I will always bleed redmen red and just hope we take some scalps in the next two years of all the traitors as a souvenir!

 

The big 12 is better in football than the sec? The confrence that owns the last 5 titles.anr 2 of the current top 3? That is a laughable statement. Outside of oklahoma and Texas big 12 football is normally pretty weak and Texas isn't so hot right now

 

[Class of 72]

 If those 4 schools leave the BE is going to be in trouble.

 

GMAN writes:
The big 12 is better in football than the sec? The confrence that owns the last 5 titles.anr 2 of the current top 3? That is a laughable statement. Outside of oklahoma and Texas big 12 football is normally pretty weak and Texas isn't so hot right now

I know it sounds crazy, doesn't it? Well my friend, I could be mistaken but the latest AP college poll shows 5 Big 12 schools ranked. I think the SEC has 4 or 5. The latest Sagarin ratings by conference, hold on to your hat,
1. Big 12
2. SEC
3. Big 10
4. PAC 12
5. Big East
6. ACC

The bottom line in my opinion is this: the Big East as far as football is concerned will have always been a #5 or a #6 in college football. That is as sure as death and taxes. What is ironic here is that the ACC is in exactly the same boat!
In college basketball however, the power was FIRMLY in the Big East. What the ACC did, and is doing, is to break the Big East in basketball and it has succeeded thus far. The only reason Syracuse and Pitt bolted was a lucrative 12 year ESPN contract. The misfits at the helm of the Big East and some short-sighted presidents blew a chance at a long-term contract and gambled their conference away. They lost the gamble! It is all as simple as that! Had Syracuse and Pitt not bolted the Big East would have perennially been stronger than the ACC in basketball AND most likely football with the addition of nationally ranked TCU. You guys in Mod headquarters may not like what I say or how I say it but those are the facts as they are today.  

 

[Mean Gene]

 Agree, Lavin must be on a big stage.

 
Interesting. Often I've read on this board that foremost among the boons that SJ has much to offer prospective recruits is the opportunity to play in the world's greatest arena, in front of the world's greatest fans, in the world's most exciting media market, in the world's greatest city. And here it turns out that the only things standing between NYC and basketball obscurity were Syracuse and Podunk. Sorry, did I say Podunk? I meant Pittsburgh obviously.

 

All those coupled with being able to play in the best -- or, at least, one of the very best -- conference in the nation. Without that coupling, the other attractions diminish considerably.

 

Playing in MSG against Dayton, Seton Hall, Providence, DePaul, Xavier, Rutgers, ........I don't think so! MSG would have to be "contracted" for games against the Bigs like Duke, Syracuse, Uconn, Pitt, UCLA, Notre Dame, etc.....games where we may not even be the home team anymore!!! It would be truly ironic if in a few years the ACC tourney is at MSG, the A10 is in the new Brooklyn arena and St. John's has to travel to Providence for the Big East tourney!! BEWARE OF WHAT YOU WISH FOR my basketball only friends!!!

 


Worst case scenario, the remaining basketball schools fold into the A-10, Lavin will still be able to recruit. He still has the best staff in the country who will get kids to the next level and the recruits will know that. Lavin will do the same thing at St. Johns that Calipari did at Memphis when he was in Conference USA. Lavin like Calipari will schedule very agressively out of conference and play all those games against Duke, Syracuse, UCLA etc. at Madison Square Garden. That will improve strength of schedule and then like Calipari, Lavin will clean up in conference and still have this team ranked in the top 15 and competeing for a National Title every year just like Calipari did with Memphis. If Calipari could sell Memphis and Conference USA to top recruits then Lavin can sell New York, St. Johns the A-10 and an extremely agressive out of conference schedule every year and get kids to play here. Lavin will have them in big games in MSG they will just not be in conference. Maybe I'm being to much of an optimist, but, like I said, if Calipari did it in Memphis, Lavin can do it at St. Johns and in NYC.

 

[Mean Gene]

 Actually, some of the league games in my worst case scenario above would be at MSG. You'll still have Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette. If Providence, Seton Hall and Depaul imporove with their new coaches maybe those games would be MSG games also. Maybe Notre Dame also depending on what they do. But the point is that there's enough there for Lavin to work with and still high profile the way Claipari was in a place like Memphis which is basically Newark with a little bit a southern charm. My sister lives there. there nothing really there. Graceland and Beal St., that's about it.

 

[MCNPA]

 Lavin and SJU in an inferior conference would only mean more deep tourney runs for SJU than ever before. Why does Gonzaga make the tourney every year? Yes they're usually pretty good. But they have little competition in their conference outside of St marys, Lavin at SJU will always have the leverage to bring tons of top OOC talent into MSG. I don't think Lavin is sweating it. It will only make SJU art of the upper tier of the new conference every year. Not a bad thing either. The conference would be no A-10 with schools like SJU, Georgetown, nova, Xavier, notre dame, Marquette, Depaul, seton hall, prov etc... No, there aren't some of the top names, but it's no A-10. 

 

[MainMan]

Replacing Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville and UConn with the likes of Xavier, Dayton, UMass and Temple is a step down, no question.

But it's not the end-of-days scenario some of you make it out to be.

 

[SJUFAN2]

 Agree, Lavin must be on a big stage.

 
Interesting. Often I've read on this board that foremost among the boons that SJ has much to offer prospective recruits is the opportunity to play in the world's greatest arena, in front of the world's greatest fans, in the world's most exciting media market, in the world's greatest city. And here it turns out that the only things standing between NYC and basketball obscurity were Syracuse and Podunk. Sorry, did I say Podunk? I meant Pittsburgh obviously.

 

All those coupled with being able to play in the best -- or, at least, one of the very best -- conference in the nation. Without that coupling, the other attractions diminish considerably.

 

Playing in MSG against Dayton, Seton Hall, Providence, DePaul, Xavier, Rutgers, ........I don't think so! MSG would have to be "contracted" for games against the Bigs like Duke, Syracuse, Uconn, Pitt, UCLA, Notre Dame, etc.....games where we may not even be the home team anymore!!! It would be truly ironic if in a few years the ACC tourney is at MSG, the A10 is in the new Brooklyn arena and St. John's has to travel to Providence for the Big East tourney!! BEWARE OF WHAT YOU WISH FOR my basketball only friends!!!

 

OMG!

I SEE it now!

If only we add Temple and Navy for football..all this can be avoided!

The ACC will cower in fear at our new powerhouse football conference and the money that it generates will force MSG to send those cowards back to tobacco road for their tournament!

Brilliant... inch:

 

[SJUFAN2]

 Lavin and SJU in an inferior conference would only mean more deep tourney runs for SJU than ever before. Why does Gonzaga make the tourney every year? Yes they're usually pretty good. But they have little competition in their conference outside of St marys, Lavin at SJU will always have the leverage to bring tons of top OOC talent into MSG. I don't think Lavin is sweating it. It will only make SJU art of the upper tier of the new conference every year. Not a bad thing either. The conference would be no A-10 with schools like SJU, Georgetown, nova, Xavier, notre dame, Marquette, Depaul, seton hall, prov etc... No, there aren't some of the top names, but it's no A-10. 

 

Maybe..but ask yourself this:

Just how long do you think Lavin stays at St John's if we play a second rate hoops schedule in the A-10 (compared to now) and he loses the Garden for half his home games and conference tournament?

 

[Mean Gene]

 Lavin and SJU in an inferior conference would only mean more deep tourney runs for SJU than ever before. Why does Gonzaga make the tourney every year? Yes they're usually pretty good. But they have little competition in their conference outside of St marys, Lavin at SJU will always have the leverage to bring tons of top OOC talent into MSG. I don't think Lavin is sweating it. It will only make SJU art of the upper tier of the new conference every year. Not a bad thing either. The conference would be no A-10 with schools like SJU, Georgetown, nova, Xavier, notre dame, Marquette, Depaul, seton hall, prov etc... No, there aren't some of the top names, but it's no A-10. 

 

Maybe..but ask yourself this:

Just how long do you think Lavin stays at St John's if we play a second rate hoops schedule in the A-10 (compared to now) and he loses the Garden for half his home games and conference tournament?

 




It's not going to be a second rate hoops schedule because SJU will still play Georgetown, Nova, Xavier, Marquette, Seton Hall, Providence and DePaul plus 3 or 4 top out of conference games. Add in a top pre-season tourny, good Holiday Festival competition and you have a top schedule. If most of the above conference home games and the OCC games are at MSG SJU will probably have between 8 and 10 MSG games a year. How many do they have now? I also agree with SJUFAN2 that in a little weaker conference Lavin will have us in the NCAA's every year.

 

[Class of 72]

 Lavin and SJU in an inferior conference would only mean more deep tourney runs for SJU than ever before. Why does Gonzaga make the tourney every year? Yes they're usually pretty good. But they have little competition in their conference outside of St marys, Lavin at SJU will always have the leverage to bring tons of top OOC talent into MSG. I don't think Lavin is sweating it. It will only make SJU art of the upper tier of the new conference every year. Not a bad thing either. The conference would be no A-10 with schools like SJU, Georgetown, nova, Xavier, notre dame, Marquette, Depaul, seton hall, prov etc... No, there aren't some of the top names, but it's no A-10. 

 

Maybe..but ask yourself this:

Just how long do you think Lavin stays at St John's if we play a second rate hoops schedule in the A-10 (compared to now) and he loses the Garden for half his home games and conference tournament?

 

Oops! You now may be on to something!! And I thought you were a hoops only kinda a guy! How long? Long enough for Jim Calhoun to retire and replace him for $3 million per year....with Lav. With kind of money he keeps his West Village apartment and a country home in Stoors!!!That $3 mill would be....just about what SJ would get in revenue from their BB only TV deal while Uconn collects $12 million in the ACC. Yes the ACC that will still be ranked 6th in college football but now the #1 conference after taking most of the Big East powers in basketball!

 

[Class of 72]

 Agree, Lavin must be on a big stage.

 
Interesting. Often I've read on this board that foremost among the boons that SJ has much to offer prospective recruits is the opportunity to play in the world's greatest arena, in front of the world's greatest fans, in the world's most exciting media market, in the world's greatest city. And here it turns out that the only things standing between NYC and basketball obscurity were Syracuse and Podunk. Sorry, did I say Podunk? I meant Pittsburgh obviously.

 

All those coupled with being able to play in the best -- or, at least, one of the very best -- conference in the nation. Without that coupling, the other attractions diminish considerably.

 

Playing in MSG against Dayton, Seton Hall, Providence, DePaul, Xavier, Rutgers, ........I don't think so! MSG would have to be "contracted" for games against the Bigs like Duke, Syracuse, Uconn, Pitt, UCLA, Notre Dame, etc.....games where we may not even be the home team anymore!!! It would be truly ironic if in a few years the ACC tourney is at MSG, the A10 is in the new Brooklyn arena and St. John's has to travel to Providence for the Big East tourney!! BEWARE OF WHAT YOU WISH FOR my basketball only friends!!!

 

OMG!

I SEE it now!

If only we add Temple and Navy for football..all this can be avoided!

The ACC will cower in fear at our new powerhouse football conference and the money that it generates will force MSG to send those cowards back to tobacco road for their tournament!

Brilliant... inch:

 

Here is what you do not see:
1. The ACC is not and never was fearful of the BE in football.....it was BB!
2. They scored a one-two by taking 2 of the 3 best BE basketball schools and I guess you would prefer Uconn follow.
3. Louisville, UWV, Villanova and Cincy would look for a new affiliation given their preference for BCS football.
4. WITHOUT the above schools the BE cannot negotiate a big TV deal and while ACC, Big12 schools, etc. collect $12-15 million per year because of their all-sports deals, the Big East schools would be lucky to get $3-$4 million. That ten million per year difference is enough to make or break athletic department budgets.

If the Big East is able to hold on to TCU, add Navy and another decent school to the mix, they would be NO WEAKER in football BUT hold on to the basketball marquee schools Uconn, Louisville, West Virginia, Cincinnati, and Villanova. With St. John's, Marquette and Georgetown they would be NO LESS than #2 in Basketball and maybe even #1 after Boeheim and coach K retire.

It is NOT about football.........It is about being in a position to negotiate a 10 year TV deal for $2 billion instead of a basketball deal for 10 years for $500 million. Finally, I know that the Big East remaining schools know they would have to carry all their no-revenue generating sports with a lesser contract and it will force the downgrading or elimination of some sports where scholarships eat up a chuck of the budget like baseball. If you care enough about St. John's sports like soccer and baseball, you better pray the Big East does not fold unless big donors like SJUFAN2 make up about $8 million per year in lost revenue.

 

[tom in salem]

 West Virginia


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@jcsmith We're withdrawing from BE just not sure how/if/when they'll announce it. Decision on SEC or Big 12 should come in the next few days

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[Class of 72]

 West Virginia


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@jcsmith We're withdrawing from BE just not sure how/if/when they'll announce it. Decision on SEC or Big 12 should come in the next few days

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LOL! He is not sure HOW, IF and WHEN!! I guess he covered all his bases!

Here is what I think is going on: The president of Uconn, in alliance with Rutgers and UWV, will seek to have all the football schools withdraw from the Big East on Sunday. Their goal is to void the 27 month exit waiting period and $5 million exit fee to screw the basketball schools. How this would void the agreement would probably be settled in court with lawsuits brought by the Big East. Do not believe the press release to the AP about a meeting of all the presidents.....that female dog (see Ohiofan.....I am being nice), she wants the Big East DEAD!

BTW! I want you all to remember what president Susie said in the press release. it sounds eerily similar to what Father Peter said at Nova right before he applied to the ACC:

Herbst on Wednesday assured members of the school's board of trustees that UConn is still working with the Big East, and urged them to "ignore the gossip on the national scene."

"Big East presidents have been engaged in frequent communication by phone or in person," she said. "We're committed together to make the Big East work, to make it stronger in spite of the announcement that Syracuse and Pittsburgh will leave to go to the ACC."
 

 

[SJUFAN2]

 West Virginia


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@jcsmith We're withdrawing from BE just not sure how/if/when they'll announce it. Decision on SEC or Big 12 should come in the next few days

50 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply

 

LOL! He is not sure HOW, IF and WHEN!! I guess he covered all his bases!

Here is what I think is going on: The president of Uconn, in alliance with Rutgers and UWV, will seek to have all the football schools withdraw from the Big East on Sunday. Their goal is to void the 27 month exit waiting period and $5 million exit fee to screw the basketball schools. How this would void the agreement would probably be settled in court with lawsuits brought by the Big East. Do not believe the press release to the AP about a meeting of all the presidents.....that female dog (see Ohiofan.....I am being nice), she wants the Big East DEAD!

BTW! I want you all to remember what president Susie said in the press release. it sounds eerily similar to what Father Peter said at Nova right before he applied to the ACC:

Herbst on Wednesday assured members of the school's board of trustees that UConn is still working with the Big East, and urged them to "ignore the gossip on the national scene."

"Big East presidents have been engaged in frequent communication by phone or in person," she said. "We're committed together to make the Big East work, to make it stronger in spite of the announcement that Syracuse and Pittsburgh will leave to go to the ACC."
 

 

WTF!!!

How can this be?

Surely the powers that be at WVU, UConn, Rutgers and TCU are not so BLIND that that can't see the obvious solution that if they only add Temple and Navy our football conference is BETTER than it was a month ago, will be the 4th best in the nation going forward and a CASH COW for all involved.

Those maroons...

 

[Class of 72]

 West Virginia


GoldAndBlueZoneGold And Blue Zone
@jcsmith We're withdrawing from BE just not sure how/if/when they'll announce it. Decision on SEC or Big 12 should come in the next few days

50 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply

 

LOL! He is not sure HOW, IF and WHEN!! I guess he covered all his bases!

Here is what I think is going on: The president of Uconn, in alliance with Rutgers and UWV, will seek to have all the football schools withdraw from the Big East on Sunday. Their goal is to void the 27 month exit waiting period and $5 million exit fee to screw the basketball schools. How this would void the agreement would probably be settled in court with lawsuits brought by the Big East. Do not believe the press release to the AP about a meeting of all the presidents.....that female dog (see Ohiofan.....I am being nice), she wants the Big East DEAD!

BTW! I want you all to remember what president Susie said in the press release. it sounds eerily similar to what Father Peter said at Nova right before he applied to the ACC:

Herbst on Wednesday assured members of the school's board of trustees that UConn is still working with the Big East, and urged them to "ignore the gossip on the national scene."

"Big East presidents have been engaged in frequent communication by phone or in person," she said. "We're committed together to make the Big East work, to make it stronger in spite of the announcement that Syracuse and Pittsburgh will leave to go to the ACC."
 

 

WTF!!!

How can this be?

Surely the powers that be at WVU, UConn, Rutgers and TCU are not so BLIND that that can't see the obvious solution that if they only add Temple and Navy our football conference is BETTER than it was a month ago, will be the 4th best in the nation going forward and a CASH COW for all involved.

Those maroons...

 

Presidents from Georgetown, Notre Dame, Rutgers and Seton Hall voted against the deal that would have given Big East member schools over $10 million per year. Pitt, Syracuse, Uconn, UWV, Louisville, etc. Voted to accept it. The conference would have been saved and schools would be taking home $7 million more per year. Not bad when you are the sixth-rated football power and the football school knew that. Come summer and John Marinatto and the Big East offices go dormant while the ACC is sharpening its pencils. Pitt, Syracuse, Uconn and WVU are furious that FOUR schools that were basically irrelevant in BE football (two that did not even play BCS football and one that does not compete in the conference) killed the deal and starting looking elsewhere. As soon as the ACC opened the door all those schools PLUS Villanova were ready to bolt. The Big East gambled and lost out on both the conference TV contract and its member football schools that were also its best basketball schools! You are right about only one thing SJUFAN2-----those morons!!!!! Your BE death wish may soon become reality but we will NEVER NEVER see the money again and expect a sport like Lacross to be eliminated ASAP. Expect fewer scholarships in baseball thus lesser talent and you can kiss coach Kim Barnes and the Lady Storm resurgence goodbye! I can tell you that the powers that be at SJU are angry at those 4 schools for killing the deal and are extremely concerned about future funding for the other sports programs. You can take the side of the basketball-only camp in this debate and make your little faces with emoticons but I can tell you NO ONE in the SJ administration supports your view....from Father H. To the coaches and AD. Yes, I hope and wish the Big East adds Navy, Houston, Temple, TCU and UCF because that is the best financial plan for SJ sports.

 

[ras]

I agree with class of 72. Things,however,are looking bleak.It seems like most FB schools are looking to bolt if given the opportunity. The BE needs stability and fast.

 

[salty dog]

 West Virginia


GoldAndBlueZoneGold And Blue Zone
@jcsmith We're withdrawing from BE just not sure how/if/when they'll announce it. Decision on SEC or Big 12 should come in the next few days

50 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply

 

LOL! He is not sure HOW, IF and WHEN!! I guess he covered all his bases!

Here is what I think is going on: The president of Uconn, in alliance with Rutgers and UWV, will seek to have all the football schools withdraw from the Big East on Sunday. Their goal is to void the 27 month exit waiting period and $5 million exit fee to screw the basketball schools. How this would void the agreement would probably be settled in court with lawsuits brought by the Big East. Do not believe the press release to the AP about a meeting of all the presidents.....that female dog (see Ohiofan.....I am being nice), she wants the Big East DEAD!

BTW! I want you all to remember what president Susie said in the press release. it sounds eerily similar to what Father Peter said at Nova right before he applied to the ACC:

Herbst on Wednesday assured members of the school's board of trustees that UConn is still working with the Big East, and urged them to "ignore the gossip on the national scene."

"Big East presidents have been engaged in frequent communication by phone or in person," she said. "We're committed together to make the Big East work, to make it stronger in spite of the announcement that Syracuse and Pittsburgh will leave to go to the ACC."
 

 

WTF!!!

How can this be?

Surely the powers that be at WVU, UConn, Rutgers and TCU are not so BLIND that that can't see the obvious solution that if they only add Temple and Navy our football conference is BETTER than it was a month ago, will be the 4th best in the nation going forward and a CASH COW for all involved.

Those maroons...

 

Presidents from Georgetown, Notre Dame, Rutgers and Seton Hall voted against the deal that would have given Big East member schools over $10 million per year. Pitt, Syracuse, Uconn, UWV, Louisville, etc. Voted to accept it. The conference would have been saved and schools would be taking home $7 million more per year. Not bad when you are the sixth-rated football power and the football school knew that. Come summer and John Marinatto and the Big East offices go dormant while the ACC is sharpening its pencils. Pitt, Syracuse, Uconn and WVU are furious that FOUR schools that were basically irrelevant in BE football (two that did not even play BCS football and one that does not compete in the conference) killed the deal and starting looking elsewhere. As soon as the ACC opened the door all those schools PLUS Villanova were ready to bolt. The Big East gambled and lost out on both the conference TV contract and its member football schools that were also its best basketball schools! You are right about only one thing SJUFAN2-----those morons!!!!! Your BE death wish may soon become reality but we will NEVER NEVER see the money again and expect a sport like Lacross to be eliminated ASAP. Expect fewer scholarships in baseball thus lesser talent and you can kiss coach Kim Barnes and the Lady Storm resurgence goodbye! I can tell you that the powers that be at SJU are angry at those 4 schools for killing the deal and are extremely concerned about future funding for the other sports programs. You can take the side of the basketball-only camp in this debate and make your little faces with emoticons but I can tell you NO ONE in the SJ administration supports your view....from Father H. To the coaches and AD. Yes, I hope and wish the Big East adds Navy, Houston, Temple, TCU and UCF because that is the best financial plan for SJ sports.

 


It does seem terribly nearsighted now but they were trying to extend the negotiations for a larger payday with NBC/Comcast in the picture through ND. Maybe this was a good strategy if their was solidarity among the members but to have schools bolt at the first opportunity is treacherous. Had the Big East stood pat and waited the ACC would have been vulnerable. This is why the Brain trust in the ACC where "academics" is highly touted buys and sells the Big East, or is it southern redneck backwoods gamesmanship. What ever it is, it sure worked.
It will be interesting to see the final outcome of this " chess match"
It is reported that the ACC approached 10 schools for interest. I would love to know the other eight.
(ND and Texas are somewhat obvious)

 

[tom in salem]

Meanwhile, a source close to the Big East said that league is expected to vote on offering Temple full membership



http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...ts-merger-on-hold-awaits-missouris-commitment

 

[Class of 72]

 West Virginia


GoldAndBlueZoneGold And Blue Zone
@jcsmith We're withdrawing from BE just not sure how/if/when they'll announce it. Decision on SEC or Big 12 should come in the next few days

50 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply

 

LOL! He is not sure HOW, IF and WHEN!! I guess he covered all his bases!

Here is what I think is going on: The president of Uconn, in alliance with Rutgers and UWV, will seek to have all the football schools withdraw from the Big East on Sunday. Their goal is to void the 27 month exit waiting period and $5 million exit fee to screw the basketball schools. How this would void the agreement would probably be settled in court with lawsuits brought by the Big East. Do not believe the press release to the AP about a meeting of all the presidents.....that female dog (see Ohiofan.....I am being nice), she wants the Big East DEAD!

BTW! I want you all to remember what president Susie said in the press release. it sounds eerily similar to what Father Peter said at Nova right before he applied to the ACC:

Herbst on Wednesday assured members of the school's board of trustees that UConn is still working with the Big East, and urged them to "ignore the gossip on the national scene."

"Big East presidents have been engaged in frequent communication by phone or in person," she said. "We're committed together to make the Big East work, to make it stronger in spite of the announcement that Syracuse and Pittsburgh will leave to go to the ACC."
 

 

WTF!!!

How can this be?

Surely the powers that be at WVU, UConn, Rutgers and TCU are not so BLIND that that can't see the obvious solution that if they only add Temple and Navy our football conference is BETTER than it was a month ago, will be the 4th best in the nation going forward and a CASH COW for all involved.

Those maroons...

 

Presidents from Georgetown, Notre Dame, Rutgers and Seton Hall voted against the deal that would have given Big East member schools over $10 million per year. Pitt, Syracuse, Uconn, UWV, Louisville, etc. Voted to accept it. The conference would have been saved and schools would be taking home $7 million more per year. Not bad when you are the sixth-rated football power and the football school knew that. Come summer and John Marinatto and the Big East offices go dormant while the ACC is sharpening its pencils. Pitt, Syracuse, Uconn and WVU are furious that FOUR schools that were basically irrelevant in BE football (two that did not even play BCS football and one that does not compete in the conference) killed the deal and starting looking elsewhere. As soon as the ACC opened the door all those schools PLUS Villanova were ready to bolt. The Big East gambled and lost out on both the conference TV contract and its member football schools that were also its best basketball schools! You are right about only one thing SJUFAN2-----those morons!!!!! Your BE death wish may soon become reality but we will NEVER NEVER see the money again and expect a sport like Lacross to be eliminated ASAP. Expect fewer scholarships in baseball thus lesser talent and you can kiss coach Kim Barnes and the Lady Storm resurgence goodbye! I can tell you that the powers that be at SJU are angry at those 4 schools for killing the deal and are extremely concerned about future funding for the other sports programs. You can take the side of the basketball-only camp in this debate and make your little faces with emoticons but I can tell you NO ONE in the SJ administration supports your view....from Father H. To the coaches and AD. Yes, I hope and wish the Big East adds Navy, Houston, Temple, TCU and UCF because that is the best financial plan for SJ sports.

 


It does seem terribly nearsighted now but they were trying to extend the negotiations for a larger payday with NBC/Comcast in the picture through ND. Maybe this was a good strategy if their was solidarity among the members but to have schools bolt at the first opportunity is treacherous. Had the Big East stood pat and waited the ACC would have been vulnerable. This is why the Brain trust in the ACC where "academics" is highly touted buys and sells the Big East, or is it southern redneck backwoods gamesmanship. What ever it is, it sure worked.
It will be interesting to see the final outcome of this " chess match"
It is reported that the ACC approached 10 schools for interest. I would love to know the other eight.
(ND and Texas are somewhat obvious)

 

The ACC also wanted South Carolina back in the fold for football but why leave the SEC!