I don't agree with the BBall schools continuing a relationship with the football schools. The BBall schools should forma super conference for BBall only. But, if the Big East is going to continue to try and do both. They should invite Memphis, Temple, Houston and UMASS for all sports. Memphis has a great BBall team and history and Temple is very very good. They would take the place of Pitt and Syracuse. Houston has a very good history for BBall also and UMASS gives you the Boston market. Then I would invite the three service academies, Army, Navy and Air Force for football only and then Villanova to upgrade their football and put them in. If ECU comes for football only, that gives you 16 football teams and 18 Basketball teams. it's still a great Basketball league and the football could be very good if a couple of programs flourish.
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jrhoops1949
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UMass doesn't play D1 football, and not needed for hoops. Providence and Conn. enough of a NE base.
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Except for your first two sentences.........I agree with everything you said.....except UMASS!
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G, I think the hoops is tops, and football as good as they can make it. Getting the 3 service academies would be great in getting network contract. Whatever you think about the quality of football they bring, it would get some of the slime off whats been going on. I don't know if any of them would want to jump into the mud, which is now what university presidents have turned college sports into. All the service academies play ND regular and generate national interest. Who's watching Rutgers-Syracuse? ECU has a good football program, and would not take them long to be as good as Pitt or Syracuse. The most important thing for me is keeping the ACC tournament out of the Garden.
According to Pitino. Big East BB got to strong and ACC coaches didn't like all the attention we were getting. So they grabbed Syracuse and Pitt .
Now we have to get replacements and be stronger. Won't be to hard finding 2 more quality programs. Syracuse only won 1 championship , they can be replaced.
Now we have to get replacements and be stronger. Won't be to hard finding 2 more quality programs. Syracuse only won 1 championship , they can be replaced.
tom in salem
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Oh yes they do, and we 'll they'd be the perfect NE replacement for yukon.
This is the best plan, and likely the only one that would avoid the Big East becoming the A-10:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...-big-east-can-survive-if-it-follows-this-plan
If that plan or something close to it doesn't happen, then there are just not enough decent football/basketball schools available for the Big East to remain relevant.
It can remake itself as a better-than-the-A-10-but-not-as-good-as-the-FBS-conferences basketball only conference by getting some really good basketball schools. Say, add Butler, Xavier, St. Joe's and Davidson to Georgetown, SJU, Providence, Seton Hall, Marquette, Villanova, ND, and DePaul.
But in the end a basketball only conference will not have the money to compete with conferences that have football money and network contracts that squeeze out available airtime for a hoops league.
Unfortunately it seems unlikely that Marinatto has the wherewithal to go big (as per the Parrish Plan), and more likely the Big East as we know it will be going home.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...-big-east-can-survive-if-it-follows-this-plan
If that plan or something close to it doesn't happen, then there are just not enough decent football/basketball schools available for the Big East to remain relevant.
It can remake itself as a better-than-the-A-10-but-not-as-good-as-the-FBS-conferences basketball only conference by getting some really good basketball schools. Say, add Butler, Xavier, St. Joe's and Davidson to Georgetown, SJU, Providence, Seton Hall, Marquette, Villanova, ND, and DePaul.
But in the end a basketball only conference will not have the money to compete with conferences that have football money and network contracts that squeeze out available airtime for a hoops league.
Unfortunately it seems unlikely that Marinatto has the wherewithal to go big (as per the Parrish Plan), and more likely the Big East as we know it will be going home.
My understanding is that yukon, west virginia, and rutgers are gumming up reconfiguration time line because none will commit to staying in the Big East since each has delusions of getting a bid to the ACC or Big 10.
You will recall that one month ago I called the then Big East the "Bridesmaid's Conference"because each of the football schools was a member only because it they had not been invited to their top choice conference. Recent event sprove that name correct. Unless yukon, west virginia, and rutgers commit to stay in the Big East and raise the exit fee then I few schools will want to commit to a revamped Big East.
You will recall that one month ago I called the then Big East the "Bridesmaid's Conference"because each of the football schools was a member only because it they had not been invited to their top choice conference. Recent event sprove that name correct. Unless yukon, west virginia, and rutgers commit to stay in the Big East and raise the exit fee then I few schools will want to commit to a revamped Big East.
tom in salem
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Now I've got Pitino on my side.
http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/9/26/2450656/big-east-expansion-temple-rick-pitino
Big East Expansion: Rick Pitino Touts Temple, Calls Out ACC, Is Rick Pitino
Sep 26 1:36p by Jason Kirk
Read More: Louisville Cardinals, Temple Owls
The Temple Owls have been talking up their eventual return to the Big East for months now. As talk of the prodigal program's realignment grows, Louisville Cardinals coach Rick Pitino has thoughts on this matter and other matters. You will not be surprised by his thoughts:
Admit Temple immediately. They have a highly competitive football program with outstanding basketball tradition. They are a past BIG EAST member and an excellent school academically. And as all my friends say in Philadelphia, they are located in BIG EAST territory.
Offer Air Force, Navy, and Army to join in football only.
Sit down with Villanova and ask them to make a major commitment to football.
All of those schools have been tied to the Big East in one way or another, save Army. Navy and Air Force are supposed to join aaaany minute now, and Nova's onboarding was recently put on hold for now, though the Wildcats have also reportedly made eyes at the ACC. (That won't amount to anything.)
And you might disagree with some of what Pitino has to say about the ACC's additions of the Syracuse Orange and Pittsburgh Panthers, but this is not all that far off:
If my information is correct, the ACC, namely certain basketball coaches, did not like the amount of exposure BIG EAST basketball was getting nationally and the amount of tournament teams selected the past couple of seasons. Their feelings were made known at conference meetings. Now true or untrue, you can't tell me that Pitt and Syracuse are making ACC football significantly better. In the last few years, they have laid off more football staff coaches than Bank of America did with its employees last week.
http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/9/26/2450656/big-east-expansion-temple-rick-pitino
Big East Expansion: Rick Pitino Touts Temple, Calls Out ACC, Is Rick Pitino
Sep 26 1:36p by Jason Kirk
Read More: Louisville Cardinals, Temple Owls
The Temple Owls have been talking up their eventual return to the Big East for months now. As talk of the prodigal program's realignment grows, Louisville Cardinals coach Rick Pitino has thoughts on this matter and other matters. You will not be surprised by his thoughts:
Admit Temple immediately. They have a highly competitive football program with outstanding basketball tradition. They are a past BIG EAST member and an excellent school academically. And as all my friends say in Philadelphia, they are located in BIG EAST territory.
Offer Air Force, Navy, and Army to join in football only.
Sit down with Villanova and ask them to make a major commitment to football.
All of those schools have been tied to the Big East in one way or another, save Army. Navy and Air Force are supposed to join aaaany minute now, and Nova's onboarding was recently put on hold for now, though the Wildcats have also reportedly made eyes at the ACC. (That won't amount to anything.)
And you might disagree with some of what Pitino has to say about the ACC's additions of the Syracuse Orange and Pittsburgh Panthers, but this is not all that far off:
If my information is correct, the ACC, namely certain basketball coaches, did not like the amount of exposure BIG EAST basketball was getting nationally and the amount of tournament teams selected the past couple of seasons. Their feelings were made known at conference meetings. Now true or untrue, you can't tell me that Pitt and Syracuse are making ACC football significantly better. In the last few years, they have laid off more football staff coaches than Bank of America did with its employees last week.
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http://www.gorhody.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/uri-m-footbl-sched.html
tom in salem
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tom in salem
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http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=517715
Boomer Esiason says ESPN forced Big East raid.
Said this on his WFAN (NYC) radio show, as per a Rutgers message board.
He claims ESPN offered 5 million more per team to bring in Syracuse and Pitt. If the BE can find any shred of proof to this.....ladies and gentlemen, start your lawyers.
Boomer Esiason says ESPN forced Big East raid.
Said this on his WFAN (NYC) radio show, as per a Rutgers message board.
He claims ESPN offered 5 million more per team to bring in Syracuse and Pitt. If the BE can find any shred of proof to this.....ladies and gentlemen, start your lawyers.
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After boeheim welcome to Boston College, Part Deux!!!
tom in salem
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http://gregswaim.com/2011/09/conference-realignment-not-dead/
Conference Realignment Not Dead?
by Greg Swaim on September 26, 2011 with 4 Comments in College Basketball News , College Football News , College Sports , Radio
Late Sunday night we received word from a trusted source in the midwest that Louisville received an offer from the Big 12 on Friday afternoon. And while the Cardinals are the only program we know for sure has an offer, we know there have been informal talks with BYU and Cincinnati as well, and offers could be coming their way, if they haven’t already.
Of course there has also been rampant speculation from the Kansas City Star that Missouri is still very interested in the SEC, but sources who cover that conference tell us that there has been no formal offer made to the Tigers, and most don’t believe an offer will be extented. Many of those sources also feel that Missouri may be using this talk as leverage to get what they want in upcoming Big 12 negotiations.
If Mizzou were to stay, and the conference picked up three more they’d be back to the twelve teams they were at last year, and from what we’re hearing the conference presidents really want to be at twelve by the 2013-14 season.
It’s doubtful that Louisville, Cincinnati, BYU, or any other major conference member could be a part of conference play next year, but until the new BCS and TV contracts come up in a few years, that doesn;t seem like a crucial point.
West Virginia is another school on the radar, but apparently Texas, Texas Tech and Baylor have balked at bringing in any other Texas schools, such as TCU, and despite reports that Boise State is interested, we can’t yet find any credible sources who’ve been able to link Boise with the Big 12.
Stay tuned on this fast moving story, and we’ll have more on the Greg Swaim Radio Show.
Conference Realignment Not Dead?
by Greg Swaim on September 26, 2011 with 4 Comments in College Basketball News , College Football News , College Sports , Radio
Late Sunday night we received word from a trusted source in the midwest that Louisville received an offer from the Big 12 on Friday afternoon. And while the Cardinals are the only program we know for sure has an offer, we know there have been informal talks with BYU and Cincinnati as well, and offers could be coming their way, if they haven’t already.
Of course there has also been rampant speculation from the Kansas City Star that Missouri is still very interested in the SEC, but sources who cover that conference tell us that there has been no formal offer made to the Tigers, and most don’t believe an offer will be extented. Many of those sources also feel that Missouri may be using this talk as leverage to get what they want in upcoming Big 12 negotiations.
If Mizzou were to stay, and the conference picked up three more they’d be back to the twelve teams they were at last year, and from what we’re hearing the conference presidents really want to be at twelve by the 2013-14 season.
It’s doubtful that Louisville, Cincinnati, BYU, or any other major conference member could be a part of conference play next year, but until the new BCS and TV contracts come up in a few years, that doesn;t seem like a crucial point.
West Virginia is another school on the radar, but apparently Texas, Texas Tech and Baylor have balked at bringing in any other Texas schools, such as TCU, and despite reports that Boise State is interested, we can’t yet find any credible sources who’ve been able to link Boise with the Big 12.
Stay tuned on this fast moving story, and we’ll have more on the Greg Swaim Radio Show.
tom in salem
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@973espn97.3 ESPN FM
Hearing there will be a press conference on Wed to announce that #WVU will be a member of the #SEC
6 hours agovia web
It is becoming more and more apparent (if not downfight obvious) that ESPN has been behind the scenes manipulating this situation for a couple of years. They were obviously behind the creation of the "Longhorn" Network which has been the impetus for much of the latest upheaval.
tom in salem
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Syracuse will look to play some basketball games in New York City, chancellor says
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/09/home_away_from_the_dome_syracu.html
Syracuse, NY -- Syracuse University hopes to play some of its biggest home basketball games in New York City after SU joins the Atlantic Coast Conference, Chancellor Nancy Cantor said Tuesday.
Cantor talked about playing in New York City in a phone conversation two weeks ago with ACC Commissioner John Swofford as the conference considered SU’s application, she said. “That was something they were indeed very interested in,” Cantor said.
In her first interview since the move, Cantor laid out the fast-paced chronology that led to the announcement Sept. 18 that Syracuse was leaving the athletic conference it helped found in 1979.
The action started Tuesday, Sept. 13, when ACC officials voted to accept new members. The conference had planned to stay at 12 teams, but that week decided to expand because other conferences were moving in that direction, Swofford has told reporters.
The next day, the ACC called Cantor to see if SU was interested in applying. She called Swofford back the next morning, Thursday, and had a lengthy conversation that included the New York City dimension that SU could offer, she said. That call was the only chance SU had to make its case, Cantor said. More than 10 schools had applied.
“I wasn’t making a pitch,” Cantor said. “We were just really having a two-way conversation about the opportunity.”
The next day, Friday, the executive committee of SU’s board of trustees voted to approve the move if the ACC offered. That Saturday, while Cantor was in California for SU’s football game against Southern Cal, Swofford called her to the ACC had accepted Syracuse and Pittsburgh. SU and Pitt had not worked together, Cantor said.
The next day, the ACC announced the news publicly. In the news release that announced SU’s move, Cantor said, “We look forward to bringing ACC games to the Big Apple.”
The new conference means SU will play basketball powerhouses North Carolina and Duke in home conference games. Those three teams have won the national championship five out of the past 11 seasons. But Central New Yorkers might have to travel on occasion to see the showdowns.
“We haven’t gotten that far, but we absolutely have plans to do that – absolutely,” Cantor said of moving some SU home games to a New York City arena, such as Madison Square Garden.
“I wanted to make sure that (the ACC was) interested in playing competitions in the New York City area, because that’s very important to us,” Cantor said. “We see ourselves as New York’s college team.”
That doesn’t mean fans won’t be able to also catch the North Carolina and Duke games in the Carrier Dome some seasons, she said. “I’m really looking forward to the day we get 60,000 Central New Yorkers in the Carrier Dome for Duke or North Carolina,” Cantor said. SU remains committed to keeping those games at the Dome on a regular basis, she said.
She also talked to Swofford about having the ACC basketball tournament rotate into New York City, she said.
Syracuse already plans to play some home football games at the New Meadowlands Stadium in New Jersey. They include Southern California next year, Penn State in 2013, and Notre Dame in 2014 and 2016.
SU was prepared to apply when the ACC called because it had done so in 2003 and was denied, Cantor said.
The incentive for making the move this time was partly financial – the ACC’s payback to its members is higher than the Big East’s, she said. She would not give a comparison. One factor in SU’s decision was that the ACC had a TV contract with ESPN — $1.86 billion over 12 years – and the Big East was still working on one that would take effect after its current ESPN contract expires in 2013, Cantor said.
SU had voted to accept a TV deal that the Big East turned down in August. That played in to SU’s thinking about the ACC, Cantor said. “Certainly, we had hoped it (the TV deal) would go through,” she said. “Obviously, when you think about the stability of what was offered with the ACC, that was attractive to us.”
SU must pay a $5 million exit fee to leave the Big East. That penalty will be made up by the increased revenues in the ACC “in not too long a time,” Cantor said. SU hasn’t calculated how long, she said. SU will abide by the requirement in the Big East’s bylaws that it must give 27 months’ notice before leaving, Cantor said. It’s up to conference officials to reduce that time, she said.
Other chancellors or presidents at Big East schools have been supportive when they talked to Cantor, she said. She spent time at Saturday’s football game with men’s basketball coach Jim Boeheim, and they talked about the decision. He told her he was OK with the move, she said.
“We talked about how this was going to be a really good fit,” Cantor said. “Obviously, there are sentimental ties, and strong ties, loyalties to the Big East, but things change.”
The switch was a chance for SU to improve its stability in all sports, she said. “Looking forward, we saw an opportunity to go and we felt this was a tremendous fit for us, and we felt that from a fiduciary standpoint the right thing to do in terms of stability of the conference,” she said. “It seemed like the right time to go. And you never know if you’re going to have opportunities, so you want to grab them.”
The move to the ACC will mean a higher level of competition for all of SU’s sports, not just football and basketball, she said. Lacrosse, field hockey, tennis and soccer will also benefit, she said. And jumping to the new conference will give SU better footing in recruiting students from a wider area, Cantor said. She hopes it will bring greater “geographic diversity” to the student body.
“We have a much greater presence now on the West Coast, and this gives us the Atlantic Coast, up and down, and that’s very important for the student body of the future, those population centers,” she said.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/09/home_away_from_the_dome_syracu.html
Syracuse, NY -- Syracuse University hopes to play some of its biggest home basketball games in New York City after SU joins the Atlantic Coast Conference, Chancellor Nancy Cantor said Tuesday.
Cantor talked about playing in New York City in a phone conversation two weeks ago with ACC Commissioner John Swofford as the conference considered SU’s application, she said. “That was something they were indeed very interested in,” Cantor said.
In her first interview since the move, Cantor laid out the fast-paced chronology that led to the announcement Sept. 18 that Syracuse was leaving the athletic conference it helped found in 1979.
The action started Tuesday, Sept. 13, when ACC officials voted to accept new members. The conference had planned to stay at 12 teams, but that week decided to expand because other conferences were moving in that direction, Swofford has told reporters.
The next day, the ACC called Cantor to see if SU was interested in applying. She called Swofford back the next morning, Thursday, and had a lengthy conversation that included the New York City dimension that SU could offer, she said. That call was the only chance SU had to make its case, Cantor said. More than 10 schools had applied.
“I wasn’t making a pitch,” Cantor said. “We were just really having a two-way conversation about the opportunity.”
The next day, Friday, the executive committee of SU’s board of trustees voted to approve the move if the ACC offered. That Saturday, while Cantor was in California for SU’s football game against Southern Cal, Swofford called her to the ACC had accepted Syracuse and Pittsburgh. SU and Pitt had not worked together, Cantor said.
The next day, the ACC announced the news publicly. In the news release that announced SU’s move, Cantor said, “We look forward to bringing ACC games to the Big Apple.”
The new conference means SU will play basketball powerhouses North Carolina and Duke in home conference games. Those three teams have won the national championship five out of the past 11 seasons. But Central New Yorkers might have to travel on occasion to see the showdowns.
“We haven’t gotten that far, but we absolutely have plans to do that – absolutely,” Cantor said of moving some SU home games to a New York City arena, such as Madison Square Garden.
“I wanted to make sure that (the ACC was) interested in playing competitions in the New York City area, because that’s very important to us,” Cantor said. “We see ourselves as New York’s college team.”
That doesn’t mean fans won’t be able to also catch the North Carolina and Duke games in the Carrier Dome some seasons, she said. “I’m really looking forward to the day we get 60,000 Central New Yorkers in the Carrier Dome for Duke or North Carolina,” Cantor said. SU remains committed to keeping those games at the Dome on a regular basis, she said.
She also talked to Swofford about having the ACC basketball tournament rotate into New York City, she said.
Syracuse already plans to play some home football games at the New Meadowlands Stadium in New Jersey. They include Southern California next year, Penn State in 2013, and Notre Dame in 2014 and 2016.
SU was prepared to apply when the ACC called because it had done so in 2003 and was denied, Cantor said.
The incentive for making the move this time was partly financial – the ACC’s payback to its members is higher than the Big East’s, she said. She would not give a comparison. One factor in SU’s decision was that the ACC had a TV contract with ESPN — $1.86 billion over 12 years – and the Big East was still working on one that would take effect after its current ESPN contract expires in 2013, Cantor said.
SU had voted to accept a TV deal that the Big East turned down in August. That played in to SU’s thinking about the ACC, Cantor said. “Certainly, we had hoped it (the TV deal) would go through,” she said. “Obviously, when you think about the stability of what was offered with the ACC, that was attractive to us.”
SU must pay a $5 million exit fee to leave the Big East. That penalty will be made up by the increased revenues in the ACC “in not too long a time,” Cantor said. SU hasn’t calculated how long, she said. SU will abide by the requirement in the Big East’s bylaws that it must give 27 months’ notice before leaving, Cantor said. It’s up to conference officials to reduce that time, she said.
Other chancellors or presidents at Big East schools have been supportive when they talked to Cantor, she said. She spent time at Saturday’s football game with men’s basketball coach Jim Boeheim, and they talked about the decision. He told her he was OK with the move, she said.
“We talked about how this was going to be a really good fit,” Cantor said. “Obviously, there are sentimental ties, and strong ties, loyalties to the Big East, but things change.”
The switch was a chance for SU to improve its stability in all sports, she said. “Looking forward, we saw an opportunity to go and we felt this was a tremendous fit for us, and we felt that from a fiduciary standpoint the right thing to do in terms of stability of the conference,” she said. “It seemed like the right time to go. And you never know if you’re going to have opportunities, so you want to grab them.”
The move to the ACC will mean a higher level of competition for all of SU’s sports, not just football and basketball, she said. Lacrosse, field hockey, tennis and soccer will also benefit, she said. And jumping to the new conference will give SU better footing in recruiting students from a wider area, Cantor said. She hopes it will bring greater “geographic diversity” to the student body.
“We have a much greater presence now on the West Coast, and this gives us the Atlantic Coast, up and down, and that’s very important for the student body of the future, those population centers,” she said.