Remaining Undefeated 2018-19 Division 1 MBB Teams

[quote="SJU61982" post=308806][quote="Marillac" post=308797][quote="fordham96" post=308792][quote="MCNPA" post=308273][quote="fordham96" post=308268]Have to be honest way too much is being made about being undefeated. Lots of teams currently with losses probably feel they would be undefeated if they played SJUs schedule.

Obviously being 9-0 is nice but not sure I wouldn't rather be 8-1 or 7-2 with really good losses.[/quote]

I don’t agree. Wins are wins. We are still a very talented team and in time, those losses will come. That said, it’s creating a buzz which is good for us even if we are a paper tiger right now. We’ll have to prove ourselves like everybody else does as the season moves on. We have a shot at our “good loss” against Duke at Cameron. We will still have to prove it in the big east, but more wins adds up.[/quote]

If it mattered as much as you think they would be ranked. SJU is the only undefeated team not ranked. Not to mention being from the BE and being undefeated and still not being ranked. Marquette has 2 losses and are ranked. So tell me how much it matters? All I am saying is outside of this board nobody is really impressed that they are 10-0. It matters more who you beat. If it didn't SJU would be a top 10 team.[/quote]

If the tournament started tomorrow we'd probably be a 7 seed. That's pretty awesome considering where we finished last year.[/quote]

That's exactly where Jerry Palm has us, as of yesterday.

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They've played down to some opponents but I think a few teams like VCU and Georgia Tech genuinely gave this team all they could handle at that particular time. VCU was better than us the night we played IMO. I wish we had that Kentucky game in the Garden instead of Seton Hall but the schedule has been great otherwise and Duke still remains.
 
Buffalo is a well coached, senior laden team. Nate Oats a rising coaching star it seems. I noticed Jim Whitesell had a lot of input. He really knows the game. Had chance to see him running drills with Johnnies several times & was impressed with his enthusiasm & rapport with players. Happy this former SJU AC hitched his wagon with Oats. Perhaps he moves on with him when Oats lands bigger job.
 
Everyone keeps saying that we haven't beat anybody and that's why we aren't ranked. But who have Nevada, Buffalo and Furman beat? Ok, I'll give you Nevada beating ASU, but other than that the have beat nobody and are ranked 6th in the nation. Buffalo beat WVU as their best win. It was WVU's 1st game of the year and were ranked 13th at the time. They are now 6-4, are not ranked, and are not a good team. Other than that they have not beat anyone and are ranked 10th. Furman beat Villanova as their best win. That's 8-4 Villanova, not last years national champion Villanova. Other than that they have beat nobody.

So, Nevada has 1 good win. Buffalo and Furman have beaten schools with a good name but they aren't good this year. So please, tell me who they beat to bed ranked, because I do not get it.
 
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Nevada is ranked and respected by the polls because they made the sweet 16, were one shot away from the elite 8, and return pretty much everyone that made that run. That matters.

When Furman beat nova @nova, it wasn’t known by anyone how weak they were gonna be. Plus, it’s still nova, are we even gonna win when we go to the pavilion? It’s not easy. Buffalo beat San Francisco on a neutral court which is a better win than a lot of you think. The dons are solid this year. That would be far and away our best win right now.
 
[quote="Anthony Mattia" post=308834]Everyone keeps saying that we haven't beat anybody and that's why we aren't ranked. But who have Nevada, Buffalo and Furman beat? Ok, I'll give you Nevada beating ASU, but other than that the have beat nobody and are ranked 6th in the nation. Buffalo beat WVU as their best win. It was WVU's 1st game of the year and were ranked 13th at the time. They are now 6-4, are not ranked, and are not a good team. Other than that they have not beat anyone and are ranked 10th. Furman beat Villanova as their best win. That's 8-4 Villanova, not last years national champion Villanova. Other than that they have beat nobody.

So, Nevada has 1 good win. Buffalo and Furman have beaten schools with a good name but they aren't good this year. So please, tell me who they beat to bed ranked, because I do not get it.[/quote]

We aren't ranked for two reasons: we sucked last year and we completely collapsed to start the Big East season after a good start.

Nevada and Buffalo performed extremely well in March. Furmab won 23 games last year. If we had the resumes off the first two we'd be in the top ten right now or close to it. If we won 23 like Furman we wouldn't be far off.
 
[quote="Anthony Mattia" post=308834]Everyone keeps saying that we haven't beat anybody and that's why we aren't ranked. But who have Nevada, Buffalo and Furman beat? Ok, I'll give you Nevada beating ASU, but other than that the have beat nobody and are ranked 6th in the nation. Buffalo beat WVU as their best win. It was WVU's 1st game of the year and were ranked 13th at the time. They are now 6-4, are not ranked, and are not a good team. Other than that they have not beat anyone and are ranked 10th. Furman beat Villanova as their best win. That's 8-4 Villanova, not last years national champion Villanova. Other than that they have beat nobody.

So, Nevada has 1 good win. Buffalo and Furman have beaten schools with a good name but they aren't good this year. So please, tell me who they beat to bed ranked, because I do not get it.[/quote]
Let’s be honest. If Seton Hall had same record & opponents as our’s, many posters would probably say, “Yeah, but who have they beaten?” :)
 
Buffalo was ranked 37th in the pre-season top 25 based on their success last year and all their key players returning and have since beaten W. Virginia & Syracuse who are both better than anyone we've played plus USF.

Furman beat the defending national champion in the second week of the season and haven't lost since - if we had done that we'd be in the top 25 now too.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=308835]Nevada is ranked and respected by the polls because they made the sweet 16, were one shot away from the elite 8, and return pretty much everyone that made that run. That matters.

When Furman beat nova @nova, it wasn’t known by anyone how weak they were gonna be. Plus, it’s still nova, are we even gonna win when we go to the pavilion? It’s not easy. Buffalo beat San Francisco on a neutral court which is a better win than a lot of you think. The dons are solid this year. That would be far and away our best win right now.[/quote]

I hear you Jack, I just don't buy all of them being ranked and us not being ranked. I hate the argument that they were good last year. That was last year! If you look at SOR rankings, they are all ranked, but so are we, 17th. Just the frustrated ramblings of a 40 year Johnnies fan
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=308837][quote="Anthony Mattia" post=308834]Everyone keeps saying that we haven't beat anybody and that's why we aren't ranked. But who have Nevada, Buffalo and Furman beat? Ok, I'll give you Nevada beating ASU, but other than that the have beat nobody and are ranked 6th in the nation. Buffalo beat WVU as their best win. It was WVU's 1st game of the year and were ranked 13th at the time. They are now 6-4, are not ranked, and are not a good team. Other than that they have not beat anyone and are ranked 10th. Furman beat Villanova as their best win. That's 8-4 Villanova, not last years national champion Villanova. Other than that they have beat nobody.

So, Nevada has 1 good win. Buffalo and Furman have beaten schools with a good name but they aren't good this year. So please, tell me who they beat to bed ranked, because I do not get it.[/quote]
Let’s be honest. If Seton Hall had same record & opponents as our’s, many posters would probably say, “Yeah, but who have they beaten?” :)[/quote]

That's completely different Paultz...I don't root for Seton Hall :silly:
 
There is one unranked team that deserves to be in the top 25.

I say that, because Kentucky is ranked 19th, when they have two losses, and their wins are against, probably a worse cast of characters then ours.

Now, I'm not automatically saying we are the team that should be in the Top 25 instead of them, but there is some team out there that has a right to cry "foul" on that.
 
My two cents, I don't think we have done enough to date to be ranked and we will have plenty of opportunity to get there if we are good enough. 60's reference; "Been Down So Long it Looks Like Up To Me" syndrome by some.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=308837][quote="Anthony Mattia" post=308834]Everyone keeps saying that we haven't beat anybody and that's why we aren't ranked. But who have Nevada, Buffalo and Furman beat? Ok, I'll give you Nevada beating ASU, but other than that the have beat nobody and are ranked 6th in the nation. Buffalo beat WVU as their best win. It was WVU's 1st game of the year and were ranked 13th at the time. They are now 6-4, are not ranked, and are not a good team. Other than that they have not beat anyone and are ranked 10th. Furman beat Villanova as their best win. That's 8-4 Villanova, not last years national champion Villanova. Other than that they have beat nobody.

So, Nevada has 1 good win. Buffalo and Furman have beaten schools with a good name but they aren't good this year. So please, tell me who they beat to bed ranked, because I do not get it.[/quote]
Let’s be honest. If Seton Hall had same record & opponents as our’s, many posters would probably say, “Yeah, but who have they beaten?” :)[/quote]

I agree. I also think they would be ranked.
 
[quote="Anthony Mattia" post=308840][quote="Jack Williams" post=308835]Nevada is ranked and respected by the polls because they made the sweet 16, were one shot away from the elite 8, and return pretty much everyone that made that run. That matters.

When Furman beat nova @nova, it wasn’t known by anyone how weak they were gonna be. Plus, it’s still nova, are we even gonna win when we go to the pavilion? It’s not easy. Buffalo beat San Francisco on a neutral court which is a better win than a lot of you think. The dons are solid this year. That would be far and away our best win right now.[/quote]

I hear you Jack, I just don't buy all of them being ranked and us not being ranked. I hate the argument that they were good last year. That was last year! If you look at SOR rankings, they are all ranked, but so are we, 17th. Just the frustrated ramblings of a 40 year Johnnies fan[/quote]

First off Nevada is ranked because they were ranked by EVERYONE in the pre-season coming off what they did last year. Same with Kentucky. And very high and deservedly so. Obviously depending on how high they are ranked early unless they start off 0-5 they are going to stay ranked.

Also Nevada beat Loyola-Chicago in Chicago. They beat USC in LA and Arizona St in LA. Sorry that is better than anything SJU has done.
 
I think people look at our weak OOC schedule/wins and also recognize that we have a gaping hole at the 5 spot that, unless Kieta turns out to be better than expected, is going to be our Achilles heel once we get into conference play. (By the way, Buffalo had 18 offensive rebounds against Syracuse last night and are averaging 13+. We're averaging 7.7 ORs ... which is last in the BE.)
 
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St. John's is 10-0 and still can't break into the polls

It's a small oddity that a power-conference team can get to an undefeated record, with a double-digit win total, and still not find itself ranked. But that's where 10-0 St. John's -- off to its best start since 1982-83 -- is at the moment. And it's not as though St. John's has been a surprise squad. It was pegged as a top-three team in the Big East in the preseason and generally accepted as a top-50 (at worst) crew in college hoops back in early November.

But thanks to a terrible nonconference schedule (Bowling Green, Maryland-Eastern Shore, Mount St. Mary's, Wagner, Loyola-Maryland), the Johnnies are still on the outside looking in and figure to stay there until Dec. 31 at the earliest. The next two games come at home against St. Francis (NY) and Sacred Heart, then Big East play gets rolling with a road tilt at Seton Hall on Dec. 29.

Other big-league teams to face this type of poll justice -- to be undefeated come Christmas and still not ranked -- in recent years are TCU (2014-15), Pitt (2005-06) and Vanderbilt (1999-00).

[URL][URL]https://www.cbssports.com...duke-texas-tech-could-be-decembers-best-game/[/URL][/URL]
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=308857]CBS Sports
St. John's is 10-0 and still can't break into the polls

It's a small oddity that a power-conference team can get to an undefeated record, with a double-digit win total, and still not find itself ranked. But that's where 10-0 St. John's -- off to its best start since 1982-83 -- is at the moment. And it's not as though St. John's has been a surprise squad. It was pegged as a top-three team in the Big East in the preseason and generally accepted as a top-50 (at worst) crew in college hoops back in early November.

But thanks to a terrible nonconference schedule (Bowling Green, Maryland-Eastern Shore, Mount St. Mary's, Wagner, Loyola-Maryland), the Johnnies are still on the outside looking in and figure to stay there until Dec. 31 at the earliest. The next two games come at home against St. Francis (NY) and Sacred Heart, then Big East play gets rolling with a road tilt at Seton Hall on Dec. 29.

Other big-league teams to face this type of poll justice -- to be undefeated come Christmas and still not ranked -- in recent years are TCU (2014-15), Pitt (2005-06) and Vanderbilt (1999-00).

[URL][URL]https://www.cbssports.com...duke-texas-tech-could-be-decembers-best-game/[/URL][/URL][/quote]

2005-06 Pitt had their unbeaten streak ended by St. John's. I think they were ranked something like 7th, when we beat them.
 
We're 29th in the AP which sounds about right balancing the fact that we haven't lost against a soft schedule.

Whether its 25th, 29th, or 35th it's the best SJU has been positioned in the polls in a long time which is a great thing.

It's a moot point in ~10 days anyway if we are undefeated going into Seton Hall and win that critical road game. More important than impacting the ranking that's the kind of game that can tip the scales later in the season. Will team be ready after (hopefully) not being tested in almost a month since 12/1 v. GT?

You win that one and then carry momentum into Marq in what I'm sure will be an insane environment and there will be an opportunity to fly into the Top 15 in a little over 2 weeks, tough @GTown test notwithstanding.

Pomeroy likes us ok and Sagarin less so but both like the conference, so opportunity will be there all year. Frankly, if the OOC schedule is part of the conversation in 2-3 months, that probably means the team hasn't done it's job in conference. Do the job and the OOC (especially if these next 2 are Ws) probably isn't even background noise, just a quality team having taken care of business against a schedule it should have taken care of business against.
 
Just concentrate on St. Francis and Sacred Heart, and finish the ooc before B.E. play undefeated, and the first part of the schedule will be a success.

I can't wait till these two games are over, then it's time to get down to business.
I think we'll beat both SHU and Marq. If we lose to SHU then Marq becomes a must win, you definitely don't want to start 0-2 after last years 0-11 start. At 0-2 I'll stop reading this board, this board will be freaking nuts.
 
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