Recruiting Impact on “Scandal Schools”

[quote="SJUFAN2" post=379608][quote="otis" post=379605]Pay: No

Stipend: Yes

Pay D1 athletes the equivalent of what they would make working 20 hours per week at a minimum wage job ($300) per week to assist them with ay to day expenses.[/quote]


I don't know if that works Otis. Title 9 is going to require you treat all athletes at a school the same way. That means Fencing athletes get the same 15.6k ($300/week) a year as the basketball players, both male and female. How are schools that don't generate profits on their sports, which is probably the majority of D1 colleges, going to be able to afford that? If you have 250 athletes in a school (and that's a low estimate) that's $4m a year in stipends. If you are in a conference where you have no TV contract for football or basketball, where's that money coming from?[/quote]

Title IX would require a school to give female athletes equal treatment or stipends in this case. That would be in the aggregate. You wouldn’t have to give it to all your athletes. I get your point though. Some schools might have to cut some non revenue sports to pay for it.
 
[quote="Logen" post=379628][quote="SJU85" post=379599][quote="Logen" post=379596][quote="sjc88" post=379594]Funny, how the business partners (aka ESPN, FoxSports, CBS Dickie V, Jay Bilas amongst many, many others) are either muted or strangely silent in the face of what should be a huge story. Corrupt shoe companies, families getting paid, schools openly cheating and looking the other way. Where are all the investigative reports or other sanctimonious crap uncovering this stuff. You rightly see more outrage over the baseball cheating scandal yet this one, for the most part flies under the radar. But hey, come full out your March Madness Tournament brackets with Arizona and Kansas and other cheaters in the Dance![/quote]

Mostly because they all have a piece of that corrupt pie, either directly or indirectly.[/quote]


That is probably a good part of the reason but there is also a part that there is support that the players should be getting paid.

The MLB scandal is millionaire players cheated with the support and influence of the manager, his staff and the financial support of the front office, not some sneaker company, agent or booster.[/quote]

From where I sit cheating is cheating, rationalizing it doesn't make it anything different. And frankly, I would be hard pressed to find someone who could successfully argue schools are currently paying players to right some perceived wrong, that coaches and sneaker companies are really just modern day Robin Hoods. Maybe Johnny Cochran but I don't think he's available.[/quote]

I am not saying they didn’t cheat nor am I justifying or it. Just telling you how there are people out there including as you can tell on this Board who feel Colleges athletes should be paid especially with the money some of these schools and coaches make.
 
The bottom line is there has been zero negative impact on the biggest cheaters, none whatsoever. One of my sons summer teammates recently reclassified from class of 2021 to 2020 and chose between Baylor and Arizona and in the end Ben selected Arizona.
There is zero justice.
 
[quote="SJU85" post=379646][quote="Logen" post=379628][quote="SJU85" post=379599][quote="Logen" post=379596][quote="sjc88" post=379594]Funny, how the business partners (aka ESPN, FoxSports, CBS Dickie V, Jay Bilas amongst many, many others) are either muted or strangely silent in the face of what should be a huge story. Corrupt shoe companies, families getting paid, schools openly cheating and looking the other way. Where are all the investigative reports or other sanctimonious crap uncovering this stuff. You rightly see more outrage over the baseball cheating scandal yet this one, for the most part flies under the radar. But hey, come full out your March Madness Tournament brackets with Arizona and Kansas and other cheaters in the Dance![/quote]

Mostly because they all have a piece of that corrupt pie, either directly or indirectly.[/quote]


That is probably a good part of the reason but there is also a part that there is support that the players should be getting paid.

The MLB scandal is millionaire players cheated with the support and influence of the manager, his staff and the financial support of the front office, not some sneaker company, agent or booster.[/quote]

From where I sit cheating is cheating, rationalizing it doesn't make it anything different. And frankly, I would be hard pressed to find someone who could successfully argue schools are currently paying players to right some perceived wrong, that coaches and sneaker companies are really just modern day Robin Hoods. Maybe Johnny Cochran but I don't think he's available.[/quote]

I am not saying they didn’t cheat nor am I justifying or it. Just telling you how there are people out there including as you can tell on this Board who feel Colleges athletes should be paid especially with the money some of these schools and coaches make.[/quote]

Well, you were the one who posted you thought part of the reason the basketball centric announcers and media were ignoring the obvious cheating was because they thought players should be paid, not me.
 
[quote="Logen" post=379680][quote="SJU85" post=379646][quote="Logen" post=379628][quote="SJU85" post=379599][quote="Logen" post=379596][quote="sjc88" post=379594]Funny, how the business partners (aka ESPN, FoxSports, CBS Dickie V, Jay Bilas amongst many, many others) are either muted or strangely silent in the face of what should be a huge story. Corrupt shoe companies, families getting paid, schools openly cheating and looking the other way. Where are all the investigative reports or other sanctimonious crap uncovering this stuff. You rightly see more outrage over the baseball cheating scandal yet this one, for the most part flies under the radar. But hey, come full out your March Madness Tournament brackets with Arizona and Kansas and other cheaters in the Dance![/quote]

Mostly because they all have a piece of that corrupt pie, either directly or indirectly.[/quote]


That is probably a good part of the reason but there is also a part that there is support that the players should be getting paid.

The MLB scandal is millionaire players cheated with the support and influence of the manager, his staff and the financial support of the front office, not some sneaker company, agent or booster.[/quote]

From where I sit cheating is cheating, rationalizing it doesn't make it anything different. And frankly, I would be hard pressed to find someone who could successfully argue schools are currently paying players to right some perceived wrong, that coaches and sneaker companies are really just modern day Robin Hoods. Maybe Johnny Cochran but I don't think he's available.[/quote]

I am not saying they didn’t cheat nor am I justifying or it. Just telling you how there are people out there including as you can tell on this Board who feel Colleges athletes should be paid especially with the money some of these schools and coaches make.[/quote]

Well, you were the one who posted you thought part of the reason the basketball centric announcers and media were ignoring the obvious cheating was because they thought players should be paid, not me.[/quote]dx

Yes I said part of the reason why there is not as much outrage in general as the baseball cheating scandal was because of that. I did not say I agreed with that reasoning. There should be more outrage and investigative reporting.
 
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[quote="redmannorth" post=379685][quote="L J S A" post=379681]Nothing substantial is ever going to really happen to these scumbag cheaters, so I'm just going to leave this here to change the mood:

[URL]https://www.cbssports.com/coll...ma-score-first-career-points-on-senior-night/[/URL][/quote]

Thank you very much for sharing , greatly appreciated. There still are some good guys in college ball[/quote]

Thank you for sharing. I sent the link to my son who went to Albany.
 
[quote="SJU85" post=379684][quote="Logen" post=379680][quote="SJU85" post=379646][quote="Logen" post=379628][quote="SJU85" post=379599][quote="Logen" post=379596][quote="sjc88" post=379594]Funny, how the business partners (aka ESPN, FoxSports, CBS Dickie V, Jay Bilas amongst many, many others) are either muted or strangely silent in the face of what should be a huge story. Corrupt shoe companies, families getting paid, schools openly cheating and looking the other way. Where are all the investigative reports or other sanctimonious crap uncovering this stuff. You rightly see more outrage over the baseball cheating scandal yet this one, for the most part flies under the radar. But hey, come full out your March Madness Tournament brackets with Arizona and Kansas and other cheaters in the Dance![/quote]

Mostly because they all have a piece of that corrupt pie, either directly or indirectly.[/quote]


That is probably a good part of the reason but there is also a part that there is support that the players should be getting paid.

The MLB scandal is millionaire players cheated with the support and influence of the manager, his staff and the financial support of the front office, not some sneaker company, agent or booster.[/quote]

From where I sit cheating is cheating, rationalizing it doesn't make it anything different. And frankly, I would be hard pressed to find someone who could successfully argue schools are currently paying players to right some perceived wrong, that coaches and sneaker companies are really just modern day Robin Hoods. Maybe Johnny Cochran but I don't think he's available.[/quote]

I am not saying they didn’t cheat nor am I justifying or it. Just telling you how there are people out there including as you can tell on this Board who feel Colleges athletes should be paid especially with the money some of these schools and coaches make.[/quote]

Well, you were the one who posted you thought part of the reason the basketball centric announcers and media were ignoring the obvious cheating was because they thought players should be paid, not me.[/quote]dx

Yes I said part of the reason why there is not as much outrage in general as the baseball cheating scandal was because of that. I did not say I agreed with that reasoning. There should be more outrage and investigative reporting.[/quote]

Obviously my bad. I’ll remember next time to check before commenting whether or not you agree with your own post. My apologies for wasting both our times, not to mention those who may have bothered to read.
 
[quote="Logen" post=379933][quote="SJU85" post=379684][quote="Logen" post=379680][quote="SJU85" post=379646][quote="Logen" post=379628][quote="SJU85" post=379599][quote="Logen" post=379596][quote="sjc88" post=379594]Funny, how the business partners (aka ESPN, FoxSports, CBS Dickie V, Jay Bilas amongst many, many others) are either muted or strangely silent in the face of what should be a huge story. Corrupt shoe companies, families getting paid, schools openly cheating and looking the other way. Where are all the investigative reports or other sanctimonious crap uncovering this stuff. You rightly see more outrage over the baseball cheating scandal yet this one, for the most part flies under the radar. But hey, come full out your March Madness Tournament brackets with Arizona and Kansas and other cheaters in the Dance![/quote]

Mostly because they all have a piece of that corrupt pie, either directly or indirectly.[/quote]


That is probably a good part of the reason but there is also a part that there is support that the players should be getting paid.

The MLB scandal is millionaire players cheated with the support and influence of the manager, his staff and the financial support of the front office, not some sneaker company, agent or booster.[/quote]

From where I sit cheating is cheating, rationalizing it doesn't make it anything different. And frankly, I would be hard pressed to find someone who could successfully argue schools are currently paying players to right some perceived wrong, that coaches and sneaker companies are really just modern day Robin Hoods. Maybe Johnny Cochran but I don't think he's available.[/quote]

I am not saying they didn’t cheat nor am I justifying or it. Just telling you how there are people out there including as you can tell on this Board who feel Colleges athletes should be paid especially with the money some of these schools and coaches make.[/quote]

Well, you were the one who posted you thought part of the reason the basketball centric announcers and media were ignoring the obvious cheating was because they thought players should be paid, not me.[/quote]dx

Yes I said part of the reason why there is not as much outrage in general as the baseball cheating scandal was because of that. I did not say I agreed with that reasoning. There should be more outrage and investigative reporting.[/quote]

Obviously my bad. I’ll remember next time to check before commenting whether or not you agree with your own post. My apologies for wasting both our times, not to mention those who may have bothered to read.[/quote]

I posted about a possible reason why there might not be as much outrage as part of a discussion, I did not say that I agreed with that reason. I didn’t know there was a rule that you couldn’t bring up a different point of view from your own as part of a discussion on this Board.
 
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Seton Hall had violations, stole Whitehead from us hiring his HS coach, spoke to the Cuse kid while still at Cuse and transferred, UConn tampered with Sid (thank god...he sucks but still), USC gets all these violations but get Brooks back, Creighton gets violations for Patton, Louisville scandal but they keep rolling along as a blue blood.

Sometimes it feels like we are one of the few programs not willing to muck it up a bit. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I'm sure under Lavin we mucked it up to get big time recruits here. Honestly, if no one is being held accountable who cares? Recruiting violations and paying recruits is akin to jay walking now. Everyone does it knowing it's illegal but very few get any real consequence.
 
[quote="SJU85" post=379934][quote="Logen" post=379933][quote="SJU85" post=379684][quote="Logen" post=379680][quote="SJU85" post=379646][quote="Logen" post=379628][quote="SJU85" post=379599][quote="Logen" post=379596][quote="sjc88" post=379594]Funny, how the business partners (aka ESPN, FoxSports, CBS Dickie V, Jay Bilas amongst many, many others) are either muted or strangely silent in the face of what should be a huge story. Corrupt shoe companies, families getting paid, schools openly cheating and looking the other way. Where are all the investigative reports or other sanctimonious crap uncovering this stuff. You rightly see more outrage over the baseball cheating scandal yet this one, for the most part flies under the radar. But hey, come full out your March Madness Tournament brackets with Arizona and Kansas and other cheaters in the Dance![/quote]

Mostly because they all have a piece of that corrupt pie, either directly or indirectly.[/quote]


That is probably a good part of the reason but there is also a part that there is support that the players should be getting paid.

The MLB scandal is millionaire players cheated with the support and influence of the manager, his staff and the financial support of the front office, not some sneaker company, agent or booster.[/quote]

From where I sit cheating is cheating, rationalizing it doesn't make it anything different. And frankly, I would be hard pressed to find someone who could successfully argue schools are currently paying players to right some perceived wrong, that coaches and sneaker companies are really just modern day Robin Hoods. Maybe Johnny Cochran but I don't think he's available.[/quote]

I am not saying they didn’t cheat nor am I justifying or it. Just telling you how there are people out there including as you can tell on this Board who feel Colleges athletes should be paid especially with the money some of these schools and coaches make.[/quote]

Well, you were the one who posted you thought part of the reason the basketball centric announcers and media were ignoring the obvious cheating was because they thought players should be paid, not me.[/quote]dx

Yes I said part of the reason why there is not as much outrage in general as the baseball cheating scandal was because of that. I did not say I agreed with that reasoning. There should be more outrage and investigative reporting.[/quote]

Obviously my bad. I’ll remember next time to check before commenting whether or not you agree with your own post. My apologies for wasting both our times, not to mention those who may have bothered to read.[/quote]

I posted about a possible reason why there might not be as much outrage as part of a discussion, I did not say that I agreed with that reason. I didn’t know there was a rule that you couldn’t bring up a different point of view from your own as part of a discussion on this Board.[/quote]

There is none, like I said, my bad.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=379936]Seton Hall had violations, stole Whitehead from us hiring his HS coach, spoke to the Cuse kid while still at Cuse and transferred, UConn tampered with Sid (thank god...he sucks but still), USC gets all these violations but get Brooks back, Creighton gets violations for Patton, Louisville scandal but they keep rolling along as a blue blood.

Sometimes it feels like we are one of the few programs not willing to muck it up a bit. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I'm sure under Lavin we mucked it up to get big time recruits here. Honestly, if no one is being held accountable who cares? Recruiting violations and paying recruits is akin to jay walking now. Everyone does it knowing it's illegal but very few get any real consequence.[/quote]

But there are consequences for some and don’t think for a second the NCAA would not revel in being able to use the NY media to further their charade as a “governing body.”
Besides, and this is a personal issue for each to decide, I don’t understand what satisfaction one gets by winning via cheating. I get it the Selfs, Williams, Ks, etc. are amply rewarded for winning by cheating and I understand the greed aspect but personal satisfaction, I don’t get it at all.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=379936]Seton Hall had violations, stole Whitehead from us hiring his HS coach, spoke to the Cuse kid while still at Cuse and transferred, UConn tampered with Sid (thank god...he sucks but still), USC gets all these violations but get Brooks back, Creighton gets violations for Patton, Louisville scandal but they keep rolling along as a blue blood.

Sometimes it feels like we are one of the few programs not willing to muck it up a bit. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I'm sure under Lavin we mucked it up to get big time recruits here. Honestly, if no one is being held accountable who cares? Recruiting violations and paying recruits is akin to jay walking now. Everyone does it knowing it's illegal but very few get any real consequence.[/quote]

Hiring Tiny as an assistant coach to get Whitehead might appear to be unethical, it is not a violation.

The rest, good points.
 
Familiar name;

Portion of NCAA report indicates a third KU basketball player was connected to improper payments

“But a section of the NCAA’s response, released by KU on Thursday, indicates that there may have been a third.

A heavily redacted portion of the report raises questions about whether a representative of former KU player Cheick Diallo received an improper payment from then Adidas representative T.J. Gassnola. Diallo played for KU during the 2015-2016 season.“

[URL]https://www2.ljworld.com/news/...ll-player-was-connected-to-improper-payments/[/URL]
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=386862]Familiar name;

Portion of NCAA report indicates a third KU basketball player was connected to improper payments

“But a section of the NCAA’s response, released by KU on Thursday, indicates that there may have been a third.

A heavily redacted portion of the report raises questions about whether a representative of former KU player Cheick Diallo received an improper payment from then Adidas representative T.J. Gassnola. Diallo played for KU during the 2015-2016 season.“

[URL]https://www2.ljworld.com/news/...ll-player-was-connected-to-improper-payments/[/URL][/quote]

So maybe I was wrong when I thought SJU lost out on Cheick Diallo because of the pretty coeds and the glorious nightlife of Lawrence, Kansas? :whistle: :p :evil:
 
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