Rasheem Dunn Waiver Denied (APPEAL WON)
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L J S A
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[quote="Moose" post=362249][quote="Paultzman" post=362248]https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1186702261659099139?s=21[/quote]
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.
boo haarvey
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[quote="otis" post=362247]Hey Boo
Yes Dunn was under 21 at the time of his transfers (plural) and yes, in an appeal, hearing or litigation the issue of equity, informed consent, and fraud (what Felton told him prior to transfer) may be relevant issues. No joke.[/quote]
There is no issue of informed consent related to Dunn’s age. He was over 18 and this an adult at all relevant times.
Yes Dunn was under 21 at the time of his transfers (plural) and yes, in an appeal, hearing or litigation the issue of equity, informed consent, and fraud (what Felton told him prior to transfer) may be relevant issues. No joke.[/quote]
There is no issue of informed consent related to Dunn’s age. He was over 18 and this an adult at all relevant times.
[quote="L J S A" post=362250][quote="Moose" post=362249][quote="Paultzman" post=362248]https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1186702261659099139?s=21[/quote]
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.[/quote]
Things are a little tight in Indy these. A few billions dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.[/quote]
Things are a little tight in Indy these. A few billions dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.
L J S A
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[quote="firestorm" post=362255][quote="L J S A" post=362250][quote="Moose" post=362249][quote="Paultzman" post=362248]https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1186702261659099139?s=21[/quote]
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.[/quote]
Things are a little tight in Indy these. A few billions dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.[/quote]
Hire 15 people with common sense and randomly assign them 23 schools each. Pull a guy with a light caseload to help others who are swamped. It's really not tough. I can't imagine reading through waivers is like reading through the Mueller Report. How long can it really take?
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.[/quote]
Things are a little tight in Indy these. A few billions dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.[/quote]
Hire 15 people with common sense and randomly assign them 23 schools each. Pull a guy with a light caseload to help others who are swamped. It's really not tough. I can't imagine reading through waivers is like reading through the Mueller Report. How long can it really take?
WillyDilly
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[quote="L J S A" post=362265][quote="firestorm" post=362255][quote="L J S A" post=362250][quote="Moose" post=362249][quote="Paultzman" post=362248]https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1186702261659099139?s=21[/quote]
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.[/quote]
Things are a little tight in Indy these. A few billions dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.[/quote]
Hire 15 people with common sense and randomly assign them 23 schools each. Pull a guy with a light caseload to help others who are swamped. It's really not tough. I can't imagine reading through waivers is like reading through the Mueller Report. How long can it really take?[/quote]
So you want one person making the final decision on all these cases? That doesn't seem efficient or practical at all. You are also putting alot of faith into finding people with common sense....that may not be as easy as you think. It seems like most cases should be common sense because, in our case with Dunn, it should be common sense. However, not every case is as cut and dry as ours appears to be. And I think you do want them to do a thorough reading and have a solid understanding of each case, because every case is different....the last thing you want is to have hundreds of kids transferring every year and becoming immediately eligible just because.
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.[/quote]
Things are a little tight in Indy these. A few billions dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.[/quote]
Hire 15 people with common sense and randomly assign them 23 schools each. Pull a guy with a light caseload to help others who are swamped. It's really not tough. I can't imagine reading through waivers is like reading through the Mueller Report. How long can it really take?[/quote]
So you want one person making the final decision on all these cases? That doesn't seem efficient or practical at all. You are also putting alot of faith into finding people with common sense....that may not be as easy as you think. It seems like most cases should be common sense because, in our case with Dunn, it should be common sense. However, not every case is as cut and dry as ours appears to be. And I think you do want them to do a thorough reading and have a solid understanding of each case, because every case is different....the last thing you want is to have hundreds of kids transferring every year and becoming immediately eligible just because.
Moose
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[quote="Eric Williamson" post=362267][quote="L J S A" post=362265][quote="firestorm" post=362255][quote="L J S A" post=362250][quote="Moose" post=362249][quote="Paultzman" post=362248]https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1186702261659099139?s=21[/quote]
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.[/quote]
Things are a little tight in Indy these. A few billions dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.[/quote]
Hire 15 people with common sense and randomly assign them 23 schools each. Pull a guy with a light caseload to help others who are swamped. It's really not tough. I can't imagine reading through waivers is like reading through the Mueller Report. How long can it really take?[/quote]
So you want one person making the final decision on all these cases? That doesn't seem efficient or practical at all. You are also putting alot of faith into finding people with common sense....that may not be as easy as you think. It seems like most cases should be common sense because, in our case with Dunn, it should be common sense. However, not every case is as cut and dry as ours appears to be. And I think you do want them to do a thorough reading and have a solid understanding of each case, because every case is different....the last thing you want is to have hundreds of kids transferring every year and becoming immediately eligible just because.[/quote]
Hundreds of kids are transferring every year regardless. I don't see any harm allowing everyone 1 transfer. No mid-season crap. You leave a school one year you can play the next year but thats it. 5 minutes into the 1st game of your college career or after 3 years because you graduated early. Its the wild west now I don't see how it would be any worse when kids and coaches both know there is only one bullet for a kid to use.
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.[/quote]
Things are a little tight in Indy these. A few billions dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.[/quote]
Hire 15 people with common sense and randomly assign them 23 schools each. Pull a guy with a light caseload to help others who are swamped. It's really not tough. I can't imagine reading through waivers is like reading through the Mueller Report. How long can it really take?[/quote]
So you want one person making the final decision on all these cases? That doesn't seem efficient or practical at all. You are also putting alot of faith into finding people with common sense....that may not be as easy as you think. It seems like most cases should be common sense because, in our case with Dunn, it should be common sense. However, not every case is as cut and dry as ours appears to be. And I think you do want them to do a thorough reading and have a solid understanding of each case, because every case is different....the last thing you want is to have hundreds of kids transferring every year and becoming immediately eligible just because.[/quote]
Hundreds of kids are transferring every year regardless. I don't see any harm allowing everyone 1 transfer. No mid-season crap. You leave a school one year you can play the next year but thats it. 5 minutes into the 1st game of your college career or after 3 years because you graduated early. Its the wild west now I don't see how it would be any worse when kids and coaches both know there is only one bullet for a kid to use.
[quote="Moose" post=362270][quote="Eric Williamson" post=362267][quote="L J S A" post=362265][quote="firestorm" post=362255][quote="L J S A" post=362250][quote="Moose" post=362249][quote="Paultzman" post=362248]https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1186702261659099139?s=21[/quote]
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.[/quote]
Things are a little tight in Indy these. A few billions dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.[/quote]
Hire 15 people with common sense and randomly assign them 23 schools each. Pull a guy with a light caseload to help others who are swamped. It's really not tough. I can't imagine reading through waivers is like reading through the Mueller Report. How long can it really take?[/quote]
So you want one person making the final decision on all these cases? That doesn't seem efficient or practical at all. You are also putting alot of faith into finding people with common sense....that may not be as easy as you think. It seems like most cases should be common sense because, in our case with Dunn, it should be common sense. However, not every case is as cut and dry as ours appears to be. And I think you do want them to do a thorough reading and have a solid understanding of each case, because every case is different....the last thing you want is to have hundreds of kids transferring every year and becoming immediately eligible just because.[/quote]
Hundreds of kids are transferring every year regardless. I don't see any harm allowing everyone 1 transfer. No mid-season crap. You leave a school one year you can play the next year but thats it. 5 minutes into the 1st game of your college career or after 3 years because you graduated early. Its the wild west now I don't see how it would be any worse when kids and coaches both know there is only one bullet for a kid to use.[/quote]
I agree that the one “free” transfer is a very reasonable solution to this.
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.[/quote]
Things are a little tight in Indy these. A few billions dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.[/quote]
Hire 15 people with common sense and randomly assign them 23 schools each. Pull a guy with a light caseload to help others who are swamped. It's really not tough. I can't imagine reading through waivers is like reading through the Mueller Report. How long can it really take?[/quote]
So you want one person making the final decision on all these cases? That doesn't seem efficient or practical at all. You are also putting alot of faith into finding people with common sense....that may not be as easy as you think. It seems like most cases should be common sense because, in our case with Dunn, it should be common sense. However, not every case is as cut and dry as ours appears to be. And I think you do want them to do a thorough reading and have a solid understanding of each case, because every case is different....the last thing you want is to have hundreds of kids transferring every year and becoming immediately eligible just because.[/quote]
Hundreds of kids are transferring every year regardless. I don't see any harm allowing everyone 1 transfer. No mid-season crap. You leave a school one year you can play the next year but thats it. 5 minutes into the 1st game of your college career or after 3 years because you graduated early. Its the wild west now I don't see how it would be any worse when kids and coaches both know there is only one bullet for a kid to use.[/quote]
I agree that the one “free” transfer is a very reasonable solution to this.
Goodman
I spoke to someone from the NCAA yesterday about transfer waivers:
- About 70 percent of the overall transfer waivers this year are of the “run-off” variety.
- The number of applied transfer waivers from the first quarter a year ago has nearly doubled this year.
I spoke to someone from the NCAA yesterday about transfer waivers:
- About 70 percent of the overall transfer waivers this year are of the “run-off” variety.
- The number of applied transfer waivers from the first quarter a year ago has nearly doubled this year.
Goodman
Two other kids who are also waiting on waiver that left Cleveland State. Question should come down to "why the coach was fired in mid-July, and if it was a toxic environment." The more info I gather on this, the more I believe the Cleveland State transfers should get waiver.
Two other kids who are also waiting on waiver that left Cleveland State. Question should come down to "why the coach was fired in mid-July, and if it was a toxic environment." The more info I gather on this, the more I believe the Cleveland State transfers should get waiver.
WillyDilly
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[quote="Moose" post=362270][quote="Eric Williamson" post=362267][quote="L J S A" post=362265][quote="firestorm" post=362255][quote="L J S A" post=362250][quote="Moose" post=362249][quote="Paultzman" post=362248]https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1186702261659099139?s=21[/quote]
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.[/quote]
Things are a little tight in Indy these. A few billions dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.[/quote]
Hire 15 people with common sense and randomly assign them 23 schools each. Pull a guy with a light caseload to help others who are swamped. It's really not tough. I can't imagine reading through waivers is like reading through the Mueller Report. How long can it really take?[/quote]
So you want one person making the final decision on all these cases? That doesn't seem efficient or practical at all. You are also putting alot of faith into finding people with common sense....that may not be as easy as you think. It seems like most cases should be common sense because, in our case with Dunn, it should be common sense. However, not every case is as cut and dry as ours appears to be. And I think you do want them to do a thorough reading and have a solid understanding of each case, because every case is different....the last thing you want is to have hundreds of kids transferring every year and becoming immediately eligible just because.[/quote]
Hundreds of kids are transferring every year regardless. I don't see any harm allowing everyone 1 transfer. No mid-season crap. You leave a school one year you can play the next year but thats it. 5 minutes into the 1st game of your college career or after 3 years because you graduated early. Its the wild west now I don't see how it would be any worse when kids and coaches both know there is only one bullet for a kid to use.[/quote]
So what you are saying is that if a kid transfers mid year, he would essentially lose a 1/2yr of eligibility in exchange for not having to sit out an entire year? So he transfers to his new school for the 2nd semester, cannot play in that 2nd semester, but is immediately eligible from day 1 the following season? I don't think that's necessarily a terrible idea.
But as you alluded to, if a kid only plays 5 minutes in one game, should that count as a year of eligibility used?
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.[/quote]
Things are a little tight in Indy these. A few billions dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.[/quote]
Hire 15 people with common sense and randomly assign them 23 schools each. Pull a guy with a light caseload to help others who are swamped. It's really not tough. I can't imagine reading through waivers is like reading through the Mueller Report. How long can it really take?[/quote]
So you want one person making the final decision on all these cases? That doesn't seem efficient or practical at all. You are also putting alot of faith into finding people with common sense....that may not be as easy as you think. It seems like most cases should be common sense because, in our case with Dunn, it should be common sense. However, not every case is as cut and dry as ours appears to be. And I think you do want them to do a thorough reading and have a solid understanding of each case, because every case is different....the last thing you want is to have hundreds of kids transferring every year and becoming immediately eligible just because.[/quote]
Hundreds of kids are transferring every year regardless. I don't see any harm allowing everyone 1 transfer. No mid-season crap. You leave a school one year you can play the next year but thats it. 5 minutes into the 1st game of your college career or after 3 years because you graduated early. Its the wild west now I don't see how it would be any worse when kids and coaches both know there is only one bullet for a kid to use.[/quote]
So what you are saying is that if a kid transfers mid year, he would essentially lose a 1/2yr of eligibility in exchange for not having to sit out an entire year? So he transfers to his new school for the 2nd semester, cannot play in that 2nd semester, but is immediately eligible from day 1 the following season? I don't think that's necessarily a terrible idea.
But as you alluded to, if a kid only plays 5 minutes in one game, should that count as a year of eligibility used?
Moose
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[quote="Eric Williamson" post=362282][quote="Moose" post=362270][quote="Eric Williamson" post=362267][quote="L J S A" post=362265][quote="firestorm" post=362255][quote="L J S A" post=362250][quote="Moose" post=362249][quote="Paultzman" post=362248]https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1186702261659099139?s=21[/quote]
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.[/quote]
Things are a little tight in Indy these. A few billions dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.[/quote]
Hire 15 people with common sense and randomly assign them 23 schools each. Pull a guy with a light caseload to help others who are swamped. It's really not tough. I can't imagine reading through waivers is like reading through the Mueller Report. How long can it really take?[/quote]
So you want one person making the final decision on all these cases? That doesn't seem efficient or practical at all. You are also putting alot of faith into finding people with common sense....that may not be as easy as you think. It seems like most cases should be common sense because, in our case with Dunn, it should be common sense. However, not every case is as cut and dry as ours appears to be. And I think you do want them to do a thorough reading and have a solid understanding of each case, because every case is different....the last thing you want is to have hundreds of kids transferring every year and becoming immediately eligible just because.[/quote]
Hundreds of kids are transferring every year regardless. I don't see any harm allowing everyone 1 transfer. No mid-season crap. You leave a school one year you can play the next year but thats it. 5 minutes into the 1st game of your college career or after 3 years because you graduated early. Its the wild west now I don't see how it would be any worse when kids and coaches both know there is only one bullet for a kid to use.[/quote]
So what you are saying is that if a kid transfers mid year, he would essentially lose a 1/2yr of eligibility in exchange for not having to sit out an entire year? So he transfers to his new school for the 2nd semester, cannot play in that 2nd semester, but is immediately eligible from day 1 the following season? I don't think that's necessarily a terrible idea.
But as you alluded to, if a kid only plays 5 minutes in one game, should that count as a year of eligibility used?[/quote]
Forewarned I've been mentioning a drastic overhaul allowing more transfer freedom for awhile but the NCAA hasn't called me so its still fluid.
In Steere's case I would say he used his 'free' transfer and can play the following year at SJU without missing the first semester.
Now as I'm typing this. Dunn would be interesting case. He would have already transferred but wouldn't have sat out in my plan. However when his coach was fired now that presents a dilemma with the free transfer being used already.
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.[/quote]
Things are a little tight in Indy these. A few billions dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.[/quote]
Hire 15 people with common sense and randomly assign them 23 schools each. Pull a guy with a light caseload to help others who are swamped. It's really not tough. I can't imagine reading through waivers is like reading through the Mueller Report. How long can it really take?[/quote]
So you want one person making the final decision on all these cases? That doesn't seem efficient or practical at all. You are also putting alot of faith into finding people with common sense....that may not be as easy as you think. It seems like most cases should be common sense because, in our case with Dunn, it should be common sense. However, not every case is as cut and dry as ours appears to be. And I think you do want them to do a thorough reading and have a solid understanding of each case, because every case is different....the last thing you want is to have hundreds of kids transferring every year and becoming immediately eligible just because.[/quote]
Hundreds of kids are transferring every year regardless. I don't see any harm allowing everyone 1 transfer. No mid-season crap. You leave a school one year you can play the next year but thats it. 5 minutes into the 1st game of your college career or after 3 years because you graduated early. Its the wild west now I don't see how it would be any worse when kids and coaches both know there is only one bullet for a kid to use.[/quote]
So what you are saying is that if a kid transfers mid year, he would essentially lose a 1/2yr of eligibility in exchange for not having to sit out an entire year? So he transfers to his new school for the 2nd semester, cannot play in that 2nd semester, but is immediately eligible from day 1 the following season? I don't think that's necessarily a terrible idea.
But as you alluded to, if a kid only plays 5 minutes in one game, should that count as a year of eligibility used?[/quote]
Forewarned I've been mentioning a drastic overhaul allowing more transfer freedom for awhile but the NCAA hasn't called me so its still fluid.
In Steere's case I would say he used his 'free' transfer and can play the following year at SJU without missing the first semester.
Now as I'm typing this. Dunn would be interesting case. He would have already transferred but wouldn't have sat out in my plan. However when his coach was fired now that presents a dilemma with the free transfer being used already.
[quote="Paultzman" post=361895]Nov 8th is last day for CSU to respond to info submitted in the process by SJU.[/quote]
Did asswipe respond, or not yet?
What time does ncaa office close, 5pm ct? Then we should know by 6pm if csu responded.
I seen tweets to Garrett's tweet saying that he has 8 more days. So is today might not be the last day?
Did asswipe respond, or not yet?
What time does ncaa office close, 5pm ct? Then we should know by 6pm if csu responded.
I seen tweets to Garrett's tweet saying that he has 8 more days. So is today might not be the last day?
WillyDilly
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[quote="Moose" post=362283][quote="Eric Williamson" post=362282][quote="Moose" post=362270][quote="Eric Williamson" post=362267][quote="L J S A" post=362265][quote="firestorm" post=362255][quote="L J S A" post=362250][quote="Moose" post=362249][quote="Paultzman" post=362248]https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1186702261659099139?s=21[/quote]
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.[/quote]
Things are a little tight in Indy these. A few billions dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.[/quote]
Hire 15 people with common sense and randomly assign them 23 schools each. Pull a guy with a light caseload to help others who are swamped. It's really not tough. I can't imagine reading through waivers is like reading through the Mueller Report. How long can it really take?[/quote]
So you want one person making the final decision on all these cases? That doesn't seem efficient or practical at all. You are also putting alot of faith into finding people with common sense....that may not be as easy as you think. It seems like most cases should be common sense because, in our case with Dunn, it should be common sense. However, not every case is as cut and dry as ours appears to be. And I think you do want them to do a thorough reading and have a solid understanding of each case, because every case is different....the last thing you want is to have hundreds of kids transferring every year and becoming immediately eligible just because.[/quote]
Hundreds of kids are transferring every year regardless. I don't see any harm allowing everyone 1 transfer. No mid-season crap. You leave a school one year you can play the next year but thats it. 5 minutes into the 1st game of your college career or after 3 years because you graduated early. Its the wild west now I don't see how it would be any worse when kids and coaches both know there is only one bullet for a kid to use.[/quote]
So what you are saying is that if a kid transfers mid year, he would essentially lose a 1/2yr of eligibility in exchange for not having to sit out an entire year? So he transfers to his new school for the 2nd semester, cannot play in that 2nd semester, but is immediately eligible from day 1 the following season? I don't think that's necessarily a terrible idea.
But as you alluded to, if a kid only plays 5 minutes in one game, should that count as a year of eligibility used?[/quote]
Forewarned I've been mentioning a drastic overhaul allowing more transfer freedom for awhile but the NCAA hasn't called me so its still fluid.
In Steere's case I would say he used his 'free' transfer and can play the following year at SJU without missing the first semester.
Now as I'm typing this. Dunn would be interesting case. He would have already transferred but wouldn't have sat out in my plan. However when his coach was fired now that presents a dilemma with the free transfer being used already.[/quote]
Here's my simple solution to everything. If you are an undergrad and want to transfer, you have every right to do so. You are permitted to transfer to any school that you choose, and your prior school and/or conference has no say in that decision whatsoever (meaning Cleveland State could not block Dunn from playing here, or you would be permitted to transfer to a different school in the same conference). But in exchange for that, you must sit out an entire calendar year from the last day you were enrolled at your previous institution. And there are zero exceptions to this. There are no such things as applying for a hardship waiver or anything like that. You transfer, you sit. Period. Students who have already graduated and still have eligibility remaining will be able to transfer to any school they want, and will not have to sit a year (so nothing changes for them).
There are always going to be those scenarios where you would not want to make a player sit, such as a fired coach, but the NCAA absolutely cannot fall into the trap of allowing those exceptions to the rules. It may sound harsh, but they need to create a clear black or white set of rules.
I don’t know what’s worse. That only four were denied or over 70 still in limbo[/quote]
How many of these guys do they have? How ever many they have is apparently not enough.[/quote]
Things are a little tight in Indy these. A few billions dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.[/quote]
Hire 15 people with common sense and randomly assign them 23 schools each. Pull a guy with a light caseload to help others who are swamped. It's really not tough. I can't imagine reading through waivers is like reading through the Mueller Report. How long can it really take?[/quote]
So you want one person making the final decision on all these cases? That doesn't seem efficient or practical at all. You are also putting alot of faith into finding people with common sense....that may not be as easy as you think. It seems like most cases should be common sense because, in our case with Dunn, it should be common sense. However, not every case is as cut and dry as ours appears to be. And I think you do want them to do a thorough reading and have a solid understanding of each case, because every case is different....the last thing you want is to have hundreds of kids transferring every year and becoming immediately eligible just because.[/quote]
Hundreds of kids are transferring every year regardless. I don't see any harm allowing everyone 1 transfer. No mid-season crap. You leave a school one year you can play the next year but thats it. 5 minutes into the 1st game of your college career or after 3 years because you graduated early. Its the wild west now I don't see how it would be any worse when kids and coaches both know there is only one bullet for a kid to use.[/quote]
So what you are saying is that if a kid transfers mid year, he would essentially lose a 1/2yr of eligibility in exchange for not having to sit out an entire year? So he transfers to his new school for the 2nd semester, cannot play in that 2nd semester, but is immediately eligible from day 1 the following season? I don't think that's necessarily a terrible idea.
But as you alluded to, if a kid only plays 5 minutes in one game, should that count as a year of eligibility used?[/quote]
Forewarned I've been mentioning a drastic overhaul allowing more transfer freedom for awhile but the NCAA hasn't called me so its still fluid.
In Steere's case I would say he used his 'free' transfer and can play the following year at SJU without missing the first semester.
Now as I'm typing this. Dunn would be interesting case. He would have already transferred but wouldn't have sat out in my plan. However when his coach was fired now that presents a dilemma with the free transfer being used already.[/quote]
Here's my simple solution to everything. If you are an undergrad and want to transfer, you have every right to do so. You are permitted to transfer to any school that you choose, and your prior school and/or conference has no say in that decision whatsoever (meaning Cleveland State could not block Dunn from playing here, or you would be permitted to transfer to a different school in the same conference). But in exchange for that, you must sit out an entire calendar year from the last day you were enrolled at your previous institution. And there are zero exceptions to this. There are no such things as applying for a hardship waiver or anything like that. You transfer, you sit. Period. Students who have already graduated and still have eligibility remaining will be able to transfer to any school they want, and will not have to sit a year (so nothing changes for them).
There are always going to be those scenarios where you would not want to make a player sit, such as a fired coach, but the NCAA absolutely cannot fall into the trap of allowing those exceptions to the rules. It may sound harsh, but they need to create a clear black or white set of rules.
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— Lastly, on Dunn’s status: The Cleveland State transfer’s legislative relief waiver is being reconsidered, after being denied initially, with new information provided. There is optimism the junior could get cleared, rather than having to sit out his second straight season and lose a year of eligibility. His former school has eight business days to respond to the new information, and the expectation is it will not need nearly that much time to do so. My take is if the new information wasn’t significant, the NCAA would’ve stood by the initial decision, rather than wanting to hear a response from Cleveland State after reviewing it.”
https://nypost.com/2019/11/07/the-biggest-sign-this-isnt-the-same-old-st-johns-team/
Gut says back for Vermont.
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— Lastly, on Dunn’s status: The Cleveland State transfer’s legislative relief waiver is being reconsidered, after being denied initially, with new information provided. There is optimism the junior could get cleared, rather than having to sit out his second straight season and lose a year of eligibility. His former school has eight business days to respond to the new information, and the expectation is it will not need nearly that much time to do so. My take is if the new information wasn’t significant, the NCAA would’ve stood by the initial decision, rather than wanting to hear a response from Cleveland State after reviewing it.”
https://nypost.com/2019/11/07/the-biggest-sign-this-isnt-the-same-old-st-johns-team/
Gut says back for Vermont.
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[quote="Paultzman" post=362308]Zach B
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— Lastly, on Dunn’s status: The Cleveland State transfer’s legislative relief waiver is being reconsidered, after being denied initially, with new information provided. There is optimism the junior could get cleared, rather than having to sit out his second straight season and lose a year of eligibility. His former school has eight business days to respond to the new information, and the expectation is it will not need nearly that much time to do so. My take is if the new information wasn’t significant, the NCAA would’ve stood by the initial decision, rather than wanting to hear a response from Cleveland State after reviewing it.”
https://nypost.com/2019/11/07/the-biggest-sign-this-isnt-the-same-old-st-johns-team/
Gut says back for Vermont.[/quote]
8 more business days is november 20, that's when this loser will reply, so nah he won't be back for Vermont.
This is bs, NCAA should give him 7days altogether, not business days.
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— Lastly, on Dunn’s status: The Cleveland State transfer’s legislative relief waiver is being reconsidered, after being denied initially, with new information provided. There is optimism the junior could get cleared, rather than having to sit out his second straight season and lose a year of eligibility. His former school has eight business days to respond to the new information, and the expectation is it will not need nearly that much time to do so. My take is if the new information wasn’t significant, the NCAA would’ve stood by the initial decision, rather than wanting to hear a response from Cleveland State after reviewing it.”
https://nypost.com/2019/11/07/the-biggest-sign-this-isnt-the-same-old-st-johns-team/
Gut says back for Vermont.[/quote]
8 more business days is november 20, that's when this loser will reply, so nah he won't be back for Vermont.
This is bs, NCAA should give him 7days altogether, not business days.
I really hope this works out. As others have said Dunn is not a true point guard and like Rutherford will have to prove he can play consistently against top competition. What he does add is a quick player that I trust Anderson will use very effectively.
[quote="Andrew" post=362313]I really hope this works out. As others have said Dunn is not a true point guard and like Rutherford will have to prove he can play consistently against top competition. What he does add is a quick player that I trust Anderson will use very effectively.[/quote]
All about depth the way they play
All about depth the way they play
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