Providence Game

2-0 in February.
Huge win...just HUGE. The season has opened back up baby! Providence is a tournament team.

Providence is not a tournament team, and we will still need to win the league tournament to go the NCAAs. If we win out and lose in the championship game, then maybe.

A month from now we'll know whether you're right, but I really think you are overrating the league. Nova and Creighton are good, but it wouldn't surprise me if both are gone before the Sweet 16. Xavier may go farther than either of them, if it gets in. Everybody else ranges from mediocre to bad. The A-10 has better teams than the BE and will get more bids.

IMO, there are no BAD teams in the BE, just not as many traditionally elite teams like Uconn, Cuse, Pitt and Louisville. Because of those missing teams the league is incredibly balanced. More so than the A10 who are able to pad their records with truly bottom feeders. Luckily for us you are not the resident expert on conference power rankings here:



NCAA Men's Basketball - Conference Power Rankings (2013-2014)

Only games against Division I opponents are counted.
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Rank Conference Avg. Index Avg. SOS SOS Rank Teams
1   Big 12  60.69  57.02 1 10
2   Big Ten  59.52  56.63 2 12
3   Big East  54.32  55.98 3 10
4   Atlantic Coast  54.17  55.49 5 15
5   American Athletic  54.10  53.45 8 10
6   Pacific-12  53.91  55.71 4 12
7   Southeastern  52.58  54.88 6 14
8   Atlantic 10  51.53  53.70 7 13
9   Mountain West  48.72  52.65 10 11
10   West Coast  47.36  52.77 9 10
 
Great win. Agree with the sentiment that although there were a lot of problems with the way we approached the 2nd half, fighting off that kind of rally from Providence, on the road, in a game that had some heat both ways, shows serious guts. We have finally increased the pace, and nobody is benefity from it more than Sampson and Jordan. Both seem unstoppable in transtion and are beaming with confidence in the half-court as a result. Fun to watch.

If we could eliminate (1) out of bounds plays for both teams, and (2) the time Phil Greene spends on the court, we'd have won the game by 30, as we had to be at least -20 in those situations. In all seriousness, if we are just going to throw the ball to halfcourt on every OOB play, we have to at least make sure to take away the opposition's primary option on their OOB plays. We gave Providence exactly what they wanted 4-5 times last night and that could be the difference in closer games. Small item that really needs to be tightened up.

Can't wait for Sunday.

In terms of the second half, I try not to be too analytical. How many teams consistently are able to sustain two halves of great basketball? Providence is a good team, on a decent roll, and I expected they'd have something to say about the outcome before it was over. They had a great second half run, because good teams don't fold. They ran out of steam, we firmed up - Sampson hit a huge jumper from the right baseline off a pretty dish from Jordan, and we stopped the bleeding. Providence did a really nice job of managing the clock in the last two minutes, making an impossible task look doable at times.


I don't really agree with any team playing more conservtively with a lead (how many times have we seen it cost a game?), but we definitely aren't built to play that way. We have to go until the game is completely wrapped up.

To Lav's credit, he didn't wait for the 8 minute TV timeout, he called one of his own, got D'Angelo back in the game, and started to have us be the aggresor again at 69-63 with 8:12 to play and it never got closer than that.

Once Providence scored 6 straight points, the momentum shifted, and they had a prolonged run. Did we really slow it down at that point?

I would agree that you don't start running the clock down until 5 minutes or so with a big lead, so that you can reduce the # of possessions remaining. Teams usually don't start the foul parade until under the 2 minute mark. Taking the air out of the ball too soon shifts momentum, which is really hard to get back. 35 minutes of looking for good shots, pushing the ball, etc, makes sense to me.
 
Really impressive win. If we beat Creighton, I may just eat some crow and forgive Lavin for messing with the rotations for so long. Although I'm not mentally there yet.
 
Yea I saw that to , I think he is back to red shirting that's if your allowed to do that . Anyone have any info on Felix??

Supposedly trying to get a redshirt for having to go back to Africa

They must have good reason to think he'll get it between the injury and his mother's illness. Honestly, I'd be shocked if he was granted the redshirt.

Really you'd be shocked? I think he has more than a good shot.

What has he played this year, 20 maybe 30 minutes all year? Think about the case Lavin will have, plans on redshirting, in the middle of the year one of our players had to miss time to be with his sick mother so Felix gets un-redshirted. Plays very sparingly for a few games, then his own mother, in a whole different continent gets sick so he has to travel back to Africa during the middle of the season. Doesn't play a minute the rest of the way.

The way the NCAA grants waivers I am sure he has a good shot.
 
Yea I saw that to , I think he is back to red shirting that's if your allowed to do that . Anyone have any info on Felix??

Supposedly trying to get a redshirt for having to go back to Africa

They must have good reason to think he'll get it between the injury and his mother's illness. Honestly, I'd be shocked if he was granted the redshirt.

Really you'd be shocked? I think he has more than a good shot.

What has he played this year, 20 maybe 30 minutes all year? Think about the case Lavin will have, plans on redshirting, in the middle of the year one of our players had to miss time to be with his sick mother so Felix gets un-redshirted. Plays very sparingly for a few games, then his own mother, in a whole different continent gets sick so he has to travel back to Africa during the middle of the season. Doesn't play a minute the rest of the way.

The way the NCAA grants waivers I am sure he has a good shot.

I think he has a very good shot, as apparently staff do.
 
Really impressive win. If we beat Creighton, I may just eat some crow and forgive Lavin for messing with the rotations for so long. Although I'm not mentally there yet.
Are you at least ready to forgive him for what he wears during games ? :)
 
Really impressive win. If we beat Creighton, I may just eat some crow and forgive Lavin for messing with the rotations for so long. Although I'm not mentally there yet.
Are you at least ready to forgive him for what he wears during games ? :)

LOL! Yes. I guess I’m old school, but he’s racked up Marquette and Providence victories since my wardrobe rant, so I’m just going to chalk that little tangent up to emotional exhaustion.
 
Great win. Agree with the sentiment that although there were a lot of problems with the way we approached the 2nd half, fighting off that kind of rally from Providence, on the road, in a game that had some heat both ways, shows serious guts. We have finally increased the pace, and nobody is benefity from it more than Sampson and Jordan. Both seem unstoppable in transtion and are beaming with confidence in the half-court as a result. Fun to watch.

If we could eliminate (1) out of bounds plays for both teams, and (2) the time Phil Greene spends on the court, we'd have won the game by 30, as we had to be at least -20 in those situations. In all seriousness, if we are just going to throw the ball to halfcourt on every OOB play, we have to at least make sure to take away the opposition's primary option on their OOB plays. We gave Providence exactly what they wanted 4-5 times last night and that could be the difference in closer games. Small item that really needs to be tightened up.

Can't wait for Sunday.

In terms of the second half, I try not to be too analytical. How many teams consistently are able to sustain two halves of great basketball? Providence is a good team, on a decent roll, and I expected they'd have something to say about the outcome before it was over. They had a great second half run, because good teams don't fold. They ran out of steam, we firmed up - Sampson hit a huge jumper from the right baseline off a pretty dish from Jordan, and we stopped the bleeding. Providence did a really nice job of managing the clock in the last two minutes, making an impossible task look doable at times.


I don't really agree with any team playing more conservtively with a lead (how many times have we seen it cost a game?), but we definitely aren't built to play that way. We have to go until the game is completely wrapped up.

To Lav's credit, he didn't wait for the 8 minute TV timeout, he called one of his own, got D'Angelo back in the game, and started to have us be the aggresor again at 69-63 with 8:12 to play and it never got closer than that.

Once Providence scored 6 straight points, the momentum shifted, and they had a prolonged run. Did we really slow it down at that point?

I would agree that you don't start running the clock down until 5 minutes or so with a big lead, so that you can reduce the # of possessions remaining. Teams usually don't start the foul parade until under the 2 minute mark. Taking the air out of the ball too soon shifts momentum, which is really hard to get back. 35 minutes of looking for good shots, pushing the ball, etc, makes sense to me.

Agreed on all points. We did indeed slow it down for a period. Granted (and to your point) it isn't easy for a team to maintain the pressure we had the first 22 minutes consistently all game. But we actually took the press off for a bit, sitting back mostly in the zone, and it became a half court game for 8 minutes. That is where Providence took advantage. When we went back to pressing and falling back into man at the 8 minute mark, they struggled again. We outscored them 17-13 from that point forward.

Anyway, all of this aside, a really tremendous win.
 
Great win. Agree with the sentiment that although there were a lot of problems with the way we approached the 2nd half, fighting off that kind of rally from Providence, on the road, in a game that had some heat both ways, shows serious guts. We have finally increased the pace, and nobody is benefity from it more than Sampson and Jordan. Both seem unstoppable in transtion and are beaming with confidence in the half-court as a result. Fun to watch.

If we could eliminate (1) out of bounds plays for both teams, and (2) the time Phil Greene spends on the court, we'd have won the game by 30, as we had to be at least -20 in those situations. In all seriousness, if we are just going to throw the ball to halfcourt on every OOB play, we have to at least make sure to take away the opposition's primary option on their OOB plays. We gave Providence exactly what they wanted 4-5 times last night and that could be the difference in closer games. Small item that really needs to be tightened up.

Can't wait for Sunday.

In terms of the second half, I try not to be too analytical. How many teams consistently are able to sustain two halves of great basketball? Providence is a good team, on a decent roll, and I expected they'd have something to say about the outcome before it was over. They had a great second half run, because good teams don't fold. They ran out of steam, we firmed up - Sampson hit a huge jumper from the right baseline off a pretty dish from Jordan, and we stopped the bleeding. Providence did a really nice job of managing the clock in the last two minutes, making an impossible task look doable at times.


I don't really agree with any team playing more conservtively with a lead (how many times have we seen it cost a game?), but we definitely aren't built to play that way. We have to go until the game is completely wrapped up.

To Lav's credit, he didn't wait for the 8 minute TV timeout, he called one of his own, got D'Angelo back in the game, and started to have us be the aggresor again at 69-63 with 8:12 to play and it never got closer than that.

Once Providence scored 6 straight points, the momentum shifted, and they had a prolonged run. Did we really slow it down at that point?

I would agree that you don't start running the clock down until 5 minutes or so with a big lead, so that you can reduce the # of possessions remaining. Teams usually don't start the foul parade until under the 2 minute mark. Taking the air out of the ball too soon shifts momentum, which is really hard to get back. 35 minutes of looking for good shots, pushing the ball, etc, makes sense to me.

Agreed on all points. We did indeed slow it down for a period. Granted (and to your point) it isn't easy for a team to maintain the pressure we had the first 22 minutes consistently all game. But we actually took the press off for a bit, sitting back mostly in the zone, and it became a half court game for 8 minutes. That is where Providence took advantage. When we went back to pressing and falling back into man at the 8 minute mark, they struggled again. We outscored them 17-13 from that point forward.

Anyway, all of this aside, a really tremendous win.



Again I cannot understand why we switched to a zone at the 12:07 mark in the first half. We were leading at the time 21-11 with a man to man full court pressure. Even Cotton was having a difficult time getting a shot off. Jordan was doing an excellent job of guarding him, working his way around the many picks.
 
Great win. Agree with the sentiment that although there were a lot of problems with the way we approached the 2nd half, fighting off that kind of rally from Providence, on the road, in a game that had some heat both ways, shows serious guts. We have finally increased the pace, and nobody is benefity from it more than Sampson and Jordan. Both seem unstoppable in transtion and are beaming with confidence in the half-court as a result. Fun to watch.

If we could eliminate (1) out of bounds plays for both teams, and (2) the time Phil Greene spends on the court, we'd have won the game by 30, as we had to be at least -20 in those situations. In all seriousness, if we are just going to throw the ball to halfcourt on every OOB play, we have to at least make sure to take away the opposition's primary option on their OOB plays. We gave Providence exactly what they wanted 4-5 times last night and that could be the difference in closer games. Small item that really needs to be tightened up.

Can't wait for Sunday.

In terms of the second half, I try not to be too analytical. How many teams consistently are able to sustain two halves of great basketball? Providence is a good team, on a decent roll, and I expected they'd have something to say about the outcome before it was over. They had a great second half run, because good teams don't fold. They ran out of steam, we firmed up - Sampson hit a huge jumper from the right baseline off a pretty dish from Jordan, and we stopped the bleeding. Providence did a really nice job of managing the clock in the last two minutes, making an impossible task look doable at times.

You make a terrific point and I comletely agree. The single most important takeaway from the second half is what you pointed out: a good Providence team made a run at home, and we held them off for a critical win.

But if I was going to slice it more finely I would make this one distinction: I didn't have an issue with Providence making a run at us (as you say, that's going to happen), but I didn't like us falling quasi-trap to the dredded "go away from what got you the lead in the first place". We got conservative, stopped pressing, and tried to milk a lead between the 16 and 8 minute timeouts. That resulted in 20 points in the first 18:17 of the 2nd half until we started making free throws, and it almost cost us the game.

I don't really agree with any team playing more conservtively with a lead (how many times have we seen it cost a game?), but we definitely aren't built to play that way. We have to go until the game is completely wrapped up.

To Lav's credit, he didn't wait for the 8 minute TV timeout, he called one of his own, got D'Angelo back in the game, and started to have us be the aggresor again at 69-63 with 8:12 to play and it never got closer than that.



I have to believe that we slowed down the game, not because it was planned that way but because Harrison was on the bench. It seemed no one wanted to take over; can't play scared at that point of the game. Look what happened? Harrison back in the game and we become aggressive to score again.
 
Really impressive win. If we beat Creighton, I may just eat some crow and forgive Lavin for messing with the rotations for so long. Although I'm not mentally there yet.
Are you at least ready to forgive him for what he wears during games ? :)

LOL! Yes. I guess I’m old school, but he’s racked up Marquette and Providence victories since my wardrobe rant, so I’m just going to chalk that little tangent up to emotional exhaustion.

Actually, people are going to role their eyes, but I have a problem with what he wears too. I think it's an insult to SJU.
When Lavin was at UCLA he would never dare not wear a tie to games, he had too much respect for coach Wooden and the program. Plus he knew his job was never safe there, he had to always keep the bosses happy.
Now, he's at SJU and he thinks he's in a safe seat and the standards are relaxed. That's a load of crap.

Most HS basketball players have to wear a tie on game days, ESPN requires the announcers to wear a game.... the damn interns for the athletic department that run around Carnesseca Arena have to wear a tie. Why the hell can't he?
It's not about the wardrobe it's an aspect of professionalism and respect.
 
Really impressive win. If we beat Creighton, I may just eat some crow and forgive Lavin for messing with the rotations for so long. Although I'm not mentally there yet.
Are you at least ready to forgive him for what he wears during games ? :)

LOL! Yes. I guess I’m old school, but he’s racked up Marquette and Providence victories since my wardrobe rant, so I’m just going to chalk that little tangent up to emotional exhaustion.

Actually, people are going to role their eyes, but I have a problem with what he wears too. I think it's an insult to SJU.
When Lavin was at UCLA he would never dare not wear a tie to games, he had too much respect for coach Wooden and the program. Plus he knew his job was never safe there, he had to always keep the bosses happy.
Now, he's at SJU and he thinks he's in a safe seat and the standards are relaxed. That's a load of crap.

Most HS basketball players have to wear a tie on game days, why the hell can't he?
Looie wasn't exactly an icon of fashion on the sidelines for us :)
 
Yea I saw that to , I think he is back to red shirting that's if your allowed to do that . Anyone have any info on Felix??

Supposedly trying to get a redshirt for having to go back to Africa

They must have good reason to think he'll get it between the injury and his mother's illness. Honestly, I'd be shocked if he was granted the redshirt.

Really you'd be shocked? I think he has more than a good shot.

What has he played this year, 20 maybe 30 minutes all year? Think about the case Lavin will have, plans on redshirting, in the middle of the year one of our players had to miss time to be with his sick mother so Felix gets un-redshirted. Plays very sparingly for a few games, then his own mother, in a whole different continent gets sick so he has to travel back to Africa during the middle of the season. Doesn't play a minute the rest of the way.

The way the NCAA grants waivers I am sure he has a good shot.

Oops. I meant to write shocked if he didn't get the redshirt between those two incidents and his complete lack of playing time. I'm sure they already have some feedback.
 
Really impressive win. If we beat Creighton, I may just eat some crow and forgive Lavin for messing with the rotations for so long. Although I'm not mentally there yet.
Are you at least ready to forgive him for what he wears during games ? :)

LOL! Yes. I guess I’m old school, but he’s racked up Marquette and Providence victories since my wardrobe rant, so I’m just going to chalk that little tangent up to emotional exhaustion.

Actually, people are going to role their eyes, but I have a problem with what he wears too. I think it's an insult to SJU.
When Lavin was at UCLA he would never dare not wear a tie to games, he had too much respect for coach Wooden and the program. Plus he knew his job was never safe there, he had to always keep the bosses happy.
Now, he's at SJU and he thinks he's in a safe seat and the standards are relaxed. That's a load of crap.

Most HS basketball players have to wear a tie on game days, ESPN requires the announcers to wear a game.... the damn interns for the athletic department that run around Carnesseca Arena have to wear a tie. Why the hell can't he?
It's not about the wardrobe it's an aspect of professionalism and respect.

I know its not a fashion show, but in general, I think if you are going to wear a suit, you look much better in a tie. I'm glad that coaches have largely abandoned wearing sweatsuits during games. I am glad they abandoned the sneakers they started wearing for coaches vs. cancer and kept wearing them Keady looked particularly ridiculous in sneakers and a suit.
 
Really impressive win. If we beat Creighton, I may just eat some crow and forgive Lavin for messing with the rotations for so long. Although I'm not mentally there yet.
Are you at least ready to forgive him for what he wears during games ? :)

LOL! Yes. I guess I’m old school, but he’s racked up Marquette and Providence victories since my wardrobe rant, so I’m just going to chalk that little tangent up to emotional exhaustion.

Actually, people are going to role their eyes, but I have a problem with what he wears too. I think it's an insult to SJU.
When Lavin was at UCLA he would never dare not wear a tie to games, he had too much respect for coach Wooden and the program. Plus he knew his job was never safe there, he had to always keep the bosses happy.

Now, he's at SJU and he thinks he's in a safe seat and the standards are relaxed. That's a load of crap.

Most HS basketball players have to wear a tie on game days, ESPN requires the announcers to wear a game.... the damn interns for the athletic department that run around Carnesseca Arena have to wear a tie. Why the hell can't he?
It's not about the wardrobe it's an aspect of professionalism and respect.

Well, you're absolutely correct about one thing. :holdbreath:
 
Really impressive win. If we beat Creighton, I may just eat some crow and forgive Lavin for messing with the rotations for so long. Although I'm not mentally there yet.
Are you at least ready to forgive him for what he wears during games ? :)

LOL! Yes. I guess I’m old school, but he’s racked up Marquette and Providence victories since my wardrobe rant, so I’m just going to chalk that little tangent up to emotional exhaustion.

Actually, people are going to role their eyes, but I have a problem with what he wears too. I think it's an insult to SJU.
When Lavin was at UCLA he would never dare not wear a tie to games, he had too much respect for coach Wooden and the program. Plus he knew his job was never safe there, he had to always keep the bosses happy.
Now, he's at SJU and he thinks he's in a safe seat and the standards are relaxed. That's a load of crap.

Most HS basketball players have to wear a tie on game days, why the hell can't he?

I'd expect it from some of the old farts like me but I took you to be a youngster? Who wears ties anymore? Most lawyers, bankers and teachers/profs don't' wear ties anymore but some jock head coach should? Heck my dad only wears a tie half the time and he's getting photographed. Events he used to go to all formal businessy he now shows up in golf shirts and Stony Brook garb. ;) I mean it's been 15 years since I wore a tie to work each day, now it's about 5 days per year. I don't think I know anyone who still wears to a tie to their daily jobs and many are execs/upper management. Who else is in that boat? Now if the shoes weren't a statement I'd get behind you on that but he's given up on the sneakers except on special days, right?
 
Really impressive win. If we beat Creighton, I may just eat some crow and forgive Lavin for messing with the rotations for so long. Although I'm not mentally there yet.
Are you at least ready to forgive him for what he wears during games ? :)

LOL! Yes. I guess I’m old school, but he’s racked up Marquette and Providence victories since my wardrobe rant, so I’m just going to chalk that little tangent up to emotional exhaustion.

Actually, people are going to role their eyes, but I have a problem with what he wears too. I think it's an insult to SJU.
When Lavin was at UCLA he would never dare not wear a tie to games, he had too much respect for coach Wooden and the program. Plus he knew his job was never safe there, he had to always keep the bosses happy.

Now, he's at SJU and he thinks he's in a safe seat and the standards are relaxed. That's a load of crap.

Most HS basketball players have to wear a tie on game days, ESPN requires the announcers to wear a game.... the damn interns for the athletic department that run around Carnesseca Arena have to wear a tie. Why the hell can't he?
It's not about the wardrobe it's an aspect of professionalism and respect.

Well, you're absolutely correct about one thing. :holdbreath:

Haha, I know, it's a ridiculous complaint. And I'm laughing at myself for saying it. But I do feel that way.
If he's at UCLA right now, he's wearing a tie. When he's at ESPN he's never showing up to a game without a tie.

With all that said, I think the sneakers for cancer awareness was a great thing. And I have no problem with that. But now he's just doing it for personal preference. And if you're going to be strict about being on time for practice and bus trips, and for meals... then you should handle your own job like a professional on game day.
 
people will really complain about anything. Looie used to wear a sweater. So did Bob Knight. Bob Huggins wears a sweat suit. Mike Brey a mock turtleneck. Does it really matter as long as the program goes in the right direction?
 
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