Providence Game 2

[Knight]

Any guess on Saturday's attendance at MSG? My guess 5,500.

 

[beast of the east]

Well johnny fannies with the season on the brink of bustardoville and the providence friars coming to town to play in front of 3000 (quiet) fans at the Worlds most famous arena, we face a more talented and deeper team tomorrow that will be looking for revenge. With rasheed questionable and d angelo still not 100% the game outcome is predictable. For johnny fans looking for some hope and a tonic for depression the antidote doesn't come saturday against the friars of providence. Steve lavin who is quite the virtuous person has not been able to bring the program to the level hoped. Stay thirsty my friends stay thirsty.

So, in your opinion, within just 7 days, the 12,000 "loyal" johnny fans, including at least 2,000 students, who showed up to outscream a large Duke contingent, will now stay home - either disinterested or pouting. As far as I can tell, Lavin, whose coaching abilities I am ambivalent of, is a lot more loyal to his players and this program, than our win-starved fans. Give me Creighton fans any day, who filled an arena with positive energy despite a 9 (NINE) game losing streak and a season already in the dumper.

I'm not gonna give Lavin a pat on the back for being loyal. If we payed each fan millions of dollars they'd show up to every game. So it's not like Lavin deserves applause for sticking with the team he was hired to stick with.

Jack, everyone gives credit well deserved to Harrison for turning it around. Harrison gives Harrison the blame for being the jerk who deserved to get booted. Coach K likely would have booted him. You know, loyalty has little to do with how much you are earning, and once you have a career you will understand that the best managers are loyal to the people below him who earn far less. Our fans get so damned hung up on Lavin's salary. Look if we don't win, if he was making NR money, he gets fired. And if we win, his salary is irrelevant. I wish we'd just judge him on performance - the salary is none of our business because very few fans are kicking in big time to pay it.

I still don't understand why he deserves credit. He was paid to do a service for our basketball team and he's in the midst of attempting to do a good job. I don't need to have a job to understand that if your are getting payed a lot of money, and probably won't get hired elsewhere, then you probably won't leave your current job. Only other job he would get is his espn or fox job and believe me he doesn't wanna show his face around espn again without making a tournament with his own players. All his credibility will be gone.

Lavin is a lot of things and he could talk his way out of anything but he hasn't really done anything that gives me the impression he's a loyal person.

Why? Because coaching - HS, AAU, and yes, college has a ton of dirtbags who treat kids like meal tickets, flushing them as soon as they've lost value. No doubt that Lavin had a vested interest in Harrison turning himself around, in Jordan returning to the roster earlier this year, for Obekpa to reverse his decision to leave, and Greene also - BUT if you listen to the kids, no one at SJU who is gone from here has ever disparaged Lavin, and some, like Polee and Garrett have spoken highly of him. Our tendency as fans is to take losing and then not just focus on inability to win, but to disparage every aspect of the guy. None of us, EVEN THOSE WHO CLAIM TO HAVE A FRIEND OF A FRIEND OF A FRIEND who picks up towels in the AD, really know Lavin, his intentions or work ethic. Everyone interprets everything out of context. So if Lavin means that on an off day I have to get as far away as possible, yoga, meditation whatever - to keep sane because this stuff is killing me - then right now its perverted to mean he's lazy and doesn't care.

I'm all for him not being renewed if we don't turn this around, but the rest of this fan garbage is just that.

 

[Jack Williams]

Well johnny fannies with the season on the brink of bustardoville and the providence friars coming to town to play in front of 3000 (quiet) fans at the Worlds most famous arena, we face a more talented and deeper team tomorrow that will be looking for revenge. With rasheed questionable and d angelo still not 100% the game outcome is predictable. For johnny fans looking for some hope and a tonic for depression the antidote doesn't come saturday against the friars of providence. Steve lavin who is quite the virtuous person has not been able to bring the program to the level hoped. Stay thirsty my friends stay thirsty.

So, in your opinion, within just 7 days, the 12,000 "loyal" johnny fans, including at least 2,000 students, who showed up to outscream a large Duke contingent, will now stay home - either disinterested or pouting. As far as I can tell, Lavin, whose coaching abilities I am ambivalent of, is a lot more loyal to his players and this program, than our win-starved fans. Give me Creighton fans any day, who filled an arena with positive energy despite a 9 (NINE) game losing streak and a season already in the dumper.

I'm not gonna give Lavin a pat on the back for being loyal. If we payed each fan millions of dollars they'd show up to every game. So it's not like Lavin deserves applause for sticking with the team he was hired to stick with.

Jack, everyone gives credit well deserved to Harrison for turning it around. Harrison gives Harrison the blame for being the jerk who deserved to get booted. Coach K likely would have booted him. You know, loyalty has little to do with how much you are earning, and once you have a career you will understand that the best managers are loyal to the people below him who earn far less. Our fans get so damned hung up on Lavin's salary. Look if we don't win, if he was making NR money, he gets fired. And if we win, his salary is irrelevant. I wish we'd just judge him on performance - the salary is none of our business because very few fans are kicking in big time to pay it.

I still don't understand why he deserves credit. He was paid to do a service for our basketball team and he's in the midst of attempting to do a good job. I don't need to have a job to understand that if your are getting payed a lot of money, and probably won't get hired elsewhere, then you probably won't leave your current job. Only other job he would get is his espn or fox job and believe me he doesn't wanna show his face around espn again without making a tournament with his own players. All his credibility will be gone.

Lavin is a lot of things and he could talk his way out of anything but he hasn't really done anything that gives me the impression he's a loyal person.

Why? Because coaching - HS, AAU, and yes, college has a ton of dirtbags who treat kids like meal tickets, flushing them as soon as they've lost value. No doubt that Lavin had a vested interest in Harrison turning himself around, in Jordan returning to the roster earlier this year, for Obekpa to reverse his decision to leave, and Greene also - BUT if you listen to the kids, no one at SJU who is gone from here has ever disparaged Lavin, and some, like Polee and Garrett have spoken highly of him. Our tendency as fans is to take losing and then not just focus on inability to win, but to disparage every aspect of the guy. None of us, EVEN THOSE WHO CLAIM TO HAVE A FRIEND OF A FRIEND OF A FRIEND who picks up towels in the AD, really know Lavin, his intentions or work ethic. Everyone interprets everything out of context. So if Lavin means that on an off day I have to get as far away as possible, yoga, meditation whatever - to keep sane because this stuff is killing me - then right now its perverted to mean he's lazy and doesn't care.

I'm all for him not being renewed if we don't turn this around, but the rest of this fan garbage is just that.

Never said he was a bad guy. But your original comparison was Lavin was more loyal to the team then our fan base is. My point was of course he is more loyal he was hired to this job. That's really all I meant.

Our fan base sucks and I hate how the garden will be empty when it was packed just a week ago, but I'm still not gonna go crazy about him being friends with our players and our players liking him.

 

[paultzman]

Well johnny fannies with the season on the brink of bustardoville and the providence friars coming to town to play in front of 3000 (quiet) fans at the Worlds most famous arena, we face a more talented and deeper team tomorrow that will be looking for revenge. With rasheed questionable and d angelo still not 100% the game outcome is predictable. For johnny fans looking for some hope and a tonic for depression the antidote doesn't come saturday against the friars of providence. Steve lavin who is quite the virtuous person has not been able to bring the program to the level hoped. Stay thirsty my friends stay thirsty.

So, in your opinion, within just 7 days, the 12,000 "loyal" johnny fans, including at least 2,000 students, who showed up to outscream a large Duke contingent, will now stay home - either disinterested or pouting. As far as I can tell, Lavin, whose coaching abilities I am ambivalent of, is a lot more loyal to his players and this program, than our win-starved fans. Give me Creighton fans any day, who filled an arena with positive energy despite a 9 (NINE) game losing streak and a season already in the dumper.

I'm not gonna give Lavin a pat on the back for being loyal. If we payed each fan millions of dollars they'd show up to every game. So it's not like Lavin deserves applause for sticking with the team he was hired to stick with.

Jack, everyone gives credit well deserved to Harrison for turning it around. Harrison gives Harrison the blame for being the jerk who deserved to get booted. Coach K likely would have booted him. You know, loyalty has little to do with how much you are earning, and once you have a career you will understand that the best managers are loyal to the people below him who earn far less. Our fans get so damned hung up on Lavin's salary. Look if we don't win, if he was making NR money, he gets fired. And if we win, his salary is irrelevant. I wish we'd just judge him on performance - the salary is none of our business because very few fans are kicking in big time to pay it.

I still don't understand why he deserves credit. He was paid to do a service for our basketball team and he's in the midst of attempting to do a good job. I don't need to have a job to understand that if your are getting payed a lot of money, and probably won't get hired elsewhere, then you probably won't leave your current job. Only other job he would get is his espn or fox job and believe me he doesn't wanna show his face around espn again without making a tournament with his own players. All his credibility will be gone.

Lavin is a lot of things and he could talk his way out of anything but he hasn't really done anything that gives me the impression he's a loyal person.

Why? Because coaching - HS, AAU, and yes, college has a ton of dirtbags who treat kids like meal tickets, flushing them as soon as they've lost value. No doubt that Lavin had a vested interest in Harrison turning himself around, in Jordan returning to the roster earlier this year, for Obekpa to reverse his decision to leave, and Greene also - BUT if you listen to the kids, no one at SJU who is gone from here has ever disparaged Lavin, and some, like Polee and Garrett have spoken highly of him. Our tendency as fans is to take losing and then not just focus on inability to win, but to disparage every aspect of the guy. None of us, EVEN THOSE WHO CLAIM TO HAVE A FRIEND OF A FRIEND OF A FRIEND who picks up towels in the AD, really know Lavin, his intentions or work ethic. Everyone interprets everything out of context. So if Lavin means that on an off day I have to get as far away as possible, yoga, meditation whatever - to keep sane because this stuff is killing me - then right now its perverted to mean he's lazy and doesn't care.

I'm all for him not being renewed if we don't turn this around, but the rest of this fan garbage is just that.

Gun to your head Beast, if SL lands a stellar class, but season ends badly, (no NCAA T) would you cut bait or stay the course with him?

 

[Class of 72]

Well johnny fannies with the season on the brink of bustardoville and the providence friars coming to town to play in front of 3000 (quiet) fans at the Worlds most famous arena, we face a more talented and deeper team tomorrow that will be looking for revenge. With rasheed questionable and d angelo still not 100% the game outcome is predictable. For johnny fans looking for some hope and a tonic for depression the antidote doesn't come saturday against the friars of providence. Steve lavin who is quite the virtuous person has not been able to bring the program to the level hoped. Stay thirsty my friends stay thirsty.

So, in your opinion, within just 7 days, the 12,000 "loyal" johnny fans, including at least 2,000 students, who showed up to outscream a large Duke contingent, will now stay home - either disinterested or pouting. As far as I can tell, Lavin, whose coaching abilities I am ambivalent of, is a lot more loyal to his players and this program, than our win-starved fans. Give me Creighton fans any day, who filled an arena with positive energy despite a 9 (NINE) game losing streak and a season already in the dumper.

I'm not gonna give Lavin a pat on the back for being loyal. If we payed each fan millions of dollars they'd show up to every game. So it's not like Lavin deserves applause for sticking with the team he was hired to stick with.

Jack, everyone gives credit well deserved to Harrison for turning it around. Harrison gives Harrison the blame for being the jerk who deserved to get booted. Coach K likely would have booted him. You know, loyalty has little to do with how much you are earning, and once you have a career you will understand that the best managers are loyal to the people below him who earn far less. Our fans get so damned hung up on Lavin's salary. Look if we don't win, if he was making NR money, he gets fired. And if we win, his salary is irrelevant. I wish we'd just judge him on performance - the salary is none of our business because very few fans are kicking in big time to pay it.

I still don't understand why he deserves credit. He was paid to do a service for our basketball team and he's in the midst of attempting to do a good job. I don't need to have a job to understand that if your are getting payed a lot of money, and probably won't get hired elsewhere, then you probably won't leave your current job. Only other job he would get is his espn or fox job and believe me he doesn't wanna show his face around espn again without making a tournament with his own players. All his credibility will be gone.

Lavin is a lot of things and he could talk his way out of anything but he hasn't really done anything that gives me the impression he's a loyal person.

Why? Because coaching - HS, AAU, and yes, college has a ton of dirtbags who treat kids like meal tickets, flushing them as soon as they've lost value. No doubt that Lavin had a vested interest in Harrison turning himself around, in Jordan returning to the roster earlier this year, for Obekpa to reverse his decision to leave, and Greene also - BUT if you listen to the kids, no one at SJU who is gone from here has ever disparaged Lavin, and some, like Polee and Garrett have spoken highly of him. Our tendency as fans is to take losing and then not just focus on inability to win, but to disparage every aspect of the guy. None of us, EVEN THOSE WHO CLAIM TO HAVE A FRIEND OF A FRIEND OF A FRIEND who picks up towels in the AD, really know Lavin, his intentions or work ethic. Everyone interprets everything out of context. So if Lavin means that on an off day I have to get as far away as possible, yoga, meditation whatever - to keep sane because this stuff is killing me - then right now its perverted to mean he's lazy and doesn't care.

I'm all for him not being renewed if we don't turn this around, but the rest of this fan garbage is just that.

Gun to your head Beast, if SL lands a stellar class, but season ends badly, (no NCAA T) would you cut bait or stay the course with him?

I know your question is to Beast but I have said from last Fall before our first game that his future would be decided by a strong recruiting class. Unless they miss the NIT, or if they have had preliminary discussions with name recognition to retain the recruits Lavin snags, losing a stellar recruiting class could put St. John's at the bottom of the league for years to come. The flagship school in NYC cannot afford to do that to the Big East. Of course failing to sign a stellar class and no NIT and he is toast.

 

[beast of the east]

Well johnny fannies with the season on the brink of bustardoville and the providence friars coming to town to play in front of 3000 (quiet) fans at the Worlds most famous arena, we face a more talented and deeper team tomorrow that will be looking for revenge. With rasheed questionable and d angelo still not 100% the game outcome is predictable. For johnny fans looking for some hope and a tonic for depression the antidote doesn't come saturday against the friars of providence. Steve lavin who is quite the virtuous person has not been able to bring the program to the level hoped. Stay thirsty my friends stay thirsty.

So, in your opinion, within just 7 days, the 12,000 "loyal" johnny fans, including at least 2,000 students, who showed up to outscream a large Duke contingent, will now stay home - either disinterested or pouting. As far as I can tell, Lavin, whose coaching abilities I am ambivalent of, is a lot more loyal to his players and this program, than our win-starved fans. Give me Creighton fans any day, who filled an arena with positive energy despite a 9 (NINE) game losing streak and a season already in the dumper.

I'm not gonna give Lavin a pat on the back for being loyal. If we payed each fan millions of dollars they'd show up to every game. So it's not like Lavin deserves applause for sticking with the team he was hired to stick with.

Jack, everyone gives credit well deserved to Harrison for turning it around. Harrison gives Harrison the blame for being the jerk who deserved to get booted. Coach K likely would have booted him. You know, loyalty has little to do with how much you are earning, and once you have a career you will understand that the best managers are loyal to the people below him who earn far less. Our fans get so damned hung up on Lavin's salary. Look if we don't win, if he was making NR money, he gets fired. And if we win, his salary is irrelevant. I wish we'd just judge him on performance - the salary is none of our business because very few fans are kicking in big time to pay it.

I still don't understand why he deserves credit. He was paid to do a service for our basketball team and he's in the midst of attempting to do a good job. I don't need to have a job to understand that if your are getting payed a lot of money, and probably won't get hired elsewhere, then you probably won't leave your current job. Only other job he would get is his espn or fox job and believe me he doesn't wanna show his face around espn again without making a tournament with his own players. All his credibility will be gone.

Lavin is a lot of things and he could talk his way out of anything but he hasn't really done anything that gives me the impression he's a loyal person.

Why? Because coaching - HS, AAU, and yes, college has a ton of dirtbags who treat kids like meal tickets, flushing them as soon as they've lost value. No doubt that Lavin had a vested interest in Harrison turning himself around, in Jordan returning to the roster earlier this year, for Obekpa to reverse his decision to leave, and Greene also - BUT if you listen to the kids, no one at SJU who is gone from here has ever disparaged Lavin, and some, like Polee and Garrett have spoken highly of him. Our tendency as fans is to take losing and then not just focus on inability to win, but to disparage every aspect of the guy. None of us, EVEN THOSE WHO CLAIM TO HAVE A FRIEND OF A FRIEND OF A FRIEND who picks up towels in the AD, really know Lavin, his intentions or work ethic. Everyone interprets everything out of context. So if Lavin means that on an off day I have to get as far away as possible, yoga, meditation whatever - to keep sane because this stuff is killing me - then right now its perverted to mean he's lazy and doesn't care.

I'm all for him not being renewed if we don't turn this around, but the rest of this fan garbage is just that.

Gun to your head Beast, if SL lands a stellar class, but season ends badly, (no NCAA T) would you cut bait or stay the course with him?

Paultz, you know I respect you, so I don't think it's a loaded question.

If this season ends badly, it will be at least partially due to the Harrison injury and maybe Jordan. That's not an excuse because a deeper bench with very talented but not ready for prime time freshman could have shouldered that burden, but...

If he lands a stellar class he will be back, and I would stay the course for one more contracted season. Now, if his contract was running out at the end of this season that would be another story. I'm guessing he has reasonable assurances from AD that he will be here next season because he is recruiting hard, has one big recruit, and is a finalist with others.

 

[paultzman]

Well johnny fannies with the season on the brink of bustardoville and the providence friars coming to town to play in front of 3000 (quiet) fans at the Worlds most famous arena, we face a more talented and deeper team tomorrow that will be looking for revenge. With rasheed questionable and d angelo still not 100% the game outcome is predictable. For johnny fans looking for some hope and a tonic for depression the antidote doesn't come saturday against the friars of providence. Steve lavin who is quite the virtuous person has not been able to bring the program to the level hoped. Stay thirsty my friends stay thirsty.

So, in your opinion, within just 7 days, the 12,000 "loyal" johnny fans, including at least 2,000 students, who showed up to outscream a large Duke contingent, will now stay home - either disinterested or pouting. As far as I can tell, Lavin, whose coaching abilities I am ambivalent of, is a lot more loyal to his players and this program, than our win-starved fans. Give me Creighton fans any day, who filled an arena with positive energy despite a 9 (NINE) game losing streak and a season already in the dumper.

I'm not gonna give Lavin a pat on the back for being loyal. If we payed each fan millions of dollars they'd show up to every game. So it's not like Lavin deserves applause for sticking with the team he was hired to stick with.

Jack, everyone gives credit well deserved to Harrison for turning it around. Harrison gives Harrison the blame for being the jerk who deserved to get booted. Coach K likely would have booted him. You know, loyalty has little to do with how much you are earning, and once you have a career you will understand that the best managers are loyal to the people below him who earn far less. Our fans get so damned hung up on Lavin's salary. Look if we don't win, if he was making NR money, he gets fired. And if we win, his salary is irrelevant. I wish we'd just judge him on performance - the salary is none of our business because very few fans are kicking in big time to pay it.

I still don't understand why he deserves credit. He was paid to do a service for our basketball team and he's in the midst of attempting to do a good job. I don't need to have a job to understand that if your are getting payed a lot of money, and probably won't get hired elsewhere, then you probably won't leave your current job. Only other job he would get is his espn or fox job and believe me he doesn't wanna show his face around espn again without making a tournament with his own players. All his credibility will be gone.

Lavin is a lot of things and he could talk his way out of anything but he hasn't really done anything that gives me the impression he's a loyal person.

Why? Because coaching - HS, AAU, and yes, college has a ton of dirtbags who treat kids like meal tickets, flushing them as soon as they've lost value. No doubt that Lavin had a vested interest in Harrison turning himself around, in Jordan returning to the roster earlier this year, for Obekpa to reverse his decision to leave, and Greene also - BUT if you listen to the kids, no one at SJU who is gone from here has ever disparaged Lavin, and some, like Polee and Garrett have spoken highly of him. Our tendency as fans is to take losing and then not just focus on inability to win, but to disparage every aspect of the guy. None of us, EVEN THOSE WHO CLAIM TO HAVE A FRIEND OF A FRIEND OF A FRIEND who picks up towels in the AD, really know Lavin, his intentions or work ethic. Everyone interprets everything out of context. So if Lavin means that on an off day I have to get as far away as possible, yoga, meditation whatever - to keep sane because this stuff is killing me - then right now its perverted to mean he's lazy and doesn't care.

I'm all for him not being renewed if we don't turn this around, but the rest of this fan garbage is just that.

Gun to your head Beast, if SL lands a stellar class, but season ends badly, (no NCAA T) would you cut bait or stay the course with him?

Paultz, you know I respect you, so I don't think it's a loaded question.

If this season ends badly, it will be at least partially due to the Harrison injury and maybe Jordan. That's not an excuse because a deeper bench with very talented but not ready for prime time freshman could have shouldered that burden, but...

If he lands a stellar class he will be back, and I would stay the course for one more contracted season. Now, if his contract was running out at the end of this season that would be another story. I'm guessing he has reasonable assurances from AD that he will be here next season because he is recruiting hard, has one big recruit, and is a finalist with others.

Respect you as well Beast & frankly I go back & forth on this. The possibility of landing a stellar class frankly is hard for me to resist. I appreciate your response.

 

[SJU1512]

Well johnny fannies with the season on the brink of bustardoville and the providence friars coming to town to play in front of 3000 (quiet) fans at the Worlds most famous arena, we face a more talented and deeper team tomorrow that will be looking for revenge. With rasheed questionable and d angelo still not 100% the game outcome is predictable. For johnny fans looking for some hope and a tonic for depression the antidote doesn't come saturday against the friars of providence. Steve lavin who is quite the virtuous person has not been able to bring the program to the level hoped. Stay thirsty my friends stay thirsty.

So, in your opinion, within just 7 days, the 12,000 "loyal" johnny fans, including at least 2,000 students, who showed up to outscream a large Duke contingent, will now stay home - either disinterested or pouting. As far as I can tell, Lavin, whose coaching abilities I am ambivalent of, is a lot more loyal to his players and this program, than our win-starved fans. Give me Creighton fans any day, who filled an arena with positive energy despite a 9 (NINE) game losing streak and a season already in the dumper.

I'm not gonna give Lavin a pat on the back for being loyal. If we payed each fan millions of dollars they'd show up to every game. So it's not like Lavin deserves applause for sticking with the team he was hired to stick with.

Jack, everyone gives credit well deserved to Harrison for turning it around. Harrison gives Harrison the blame for being the jerk who deserved to get booted. Coach K likely would have booted him. You know, loyalty has little to do with how much you are earning, and once you have a career you will understand that the best managers are loyal to the people below him who earn far less. Our fans get so damned hung up on Lavin's salary. Look if we don't win, if he was making NR money, he gets fired. And if we win, his salary is irrelevant. I wish we'd just judge him on performance - the salary is none of our business because very few fans are kicking in big time to pay it.

I still don't understand why he deserves credit. He was paid to do a service for our basketball team and he's in the midst of attempting to do a good job. I don't need to have a job to understand that if your are getting payed a lot of money, and probably won't get hired elsewhere, then you probably won't leave your current job. Only other job he would get is his espn or fox job and believe me he doesn't wanna show his face around espn again without making a tournament with his own players. All his credibility will be gone.

Lavin is a lot of things and he could talk his way out of anything but he hasn't really done anything that gives me the impression he's a loyal person.

Why? Because coaching - HS, AAU, and yes, college has a ton of dirtbags who treat kids like meal tickets, flushing them as soon as they've lost value. No doubt that Lavin had a vested interest in Harrison turning himself around, in Jordan returning to the roster earlier this year, for Obekpa to reverse his decision to leave, and Greene also - BUT if you listen to the kids, no one at SJU who is gone from here has ever disparaged Lavin, and some, like Polee and Garrett have spoken highly of him. Our tendency as fans is to take losing and then not just focus on inability to win, but to disparage every aspect of the guy. None of us, EVEN THOSE WHO CLAIM TO HAVE A FRIEND OF A FRIEND OF A FRIEND who picks up towels in the AD, really know Lavin, his intentions or work ethic. Everyone interprets everything out of context. So if Lavin means that on an off day I have to get as far away as possible, yoga, meditation whatever - to keep sane because this stuff is killing me - then right now its perverted to mean he's lazy and doesn't care.

I'm all for him not being renewed if we don't turn this around, but the rest of this fan garbage is just that.

Gun to your head Beast, if SL lands a stellar class, but season ends badly, (no NCAA T) would you cut bait or stay the course with him?

Paultz, you know I respect you, so I don't think it's a loaded question.

If this season ends badly, it will be at least partially due to the Harrison injury and maybe Jordan. That's not an excuse because a deeper bench with very talented but not ready for prime time freshman could have shouldered that burden, but...

If he lands a stellar class he will be back, and I would stay the course for one more contracted season. Now, if his contract was running out at the end of this season that would be another story. I'm guessing he has reasonable assurances from AD that he will be here next season because he is recruiting hard, has one big recruit, and is a finalist with others.

Respect you as well Beast & frankly I go back & forth on this. The possibility of landing a stellar class frankly is hard for me to resist. I appreciate your response.

With you Paultz. Go back and forth as well. On the one hand, the prospect of foregoing a strong recruiting class and starting over (again) is frightening. On the other, difficult to imagine Lavin (very much to his credit) recruiting any better - this year or any other - than he did his first 3 here, and with those 3 classes now Sophs-Seniors we have a 6 man rotation and yet another season is hanging by a thread in January. Losing players to NBA is part of recruiting at that level so Harkless/Sampson no excuse, same will happen with a Diallo. So current approach, even with strong recruiting class secured, is similarly frightening and difficult to get excited about.

 

[pjmcb15]

Thinking a lot of people are going to make the trip from Providence

 

[room112]

Well johnny fannies with the season on the brink of bustardoville and the providence friars coming to town to play in front of 3000 (quiet) fans at the Worlds most famous arena, we face a more talented and deeper team tomorrow that will be looking for revenge. With rasheed questionable and d angelo still not 100% the game outcome is predictable. For johnny fans looking for some hope and a tonic for depression the antidote doesn't come saturday against the friars of providence. Steve lavin who is quite the virtuous person has not been able to bring the program to the level hoped. Stay thirsty my friends stay thirsty.

So, in your opinion, within just 7 days, the 12,000 "loyal" johnny fans, including at least 2,000 students, who showed up to outscream a large Duke contingent, will now stay home - either disinterested or pouting. As far as I can tell, Lavin, whose coaching abilities I am ambivalent of, is a lot more loyal to his players and this program, than our win-starved fans. Give me Creighton fans any day, who filled an arena with positive energy despite a 9 (NINE) game losing streak and a season already in the dumper.

I'm not gonna give Lavin a pat on the back for being loyal. If we payed each fan millions of dollars they'd show up to every game. So it's not like Lavin deserves applause for sticking with the team he was hired to stick with.

Jack, everyone gives credit well deserved to Harrison for turning it around. Harrison gives Harrison the blame for being the jerk who deserved to get booted. Coach K likely would have booted him. You know, loyalty has little to do with how much you are earning, and once you have a career you will understand that the best managers are loyal to the people below him who earn far less. Our fans get so damned hung up on Lavin's salary. Look if we don't win, if he was making NR money, he gets fired. And if we win, his salary is irrelevant. I wish we'd just judge him on performance - the salary is none of our business because very few fans are kicking in big time to pay it.

What about being loyal to the program by actually recruiting over the past few years? Taking a few periods off is not being loyal.

 

[room112]

Well johnny fannies with the season on the brink of bustardoville and the providence friars coming to town to play in front of 3000 (quiet) fans at the Worlds most famous arena, we face a more talented and deeper team tomorrow that will be looking for revenge. With rasheed questionable and d angelo still not 100% the game outcome is predictable. For johnny fans looking for some hope and a tonic for depression the antidote doesn't come saturday against the friars of providence. Steve lavin who is quite the virtuous person has not been able to bring the program to the level hoped. Stay thirsty my friends stay thirsty.

So, in your opinion, within just 7 days, the 12,000 "loyal" johnny fans, including at least 2,000 students, who showed up to outscream a large Duke contingent, will now stay home - either disinterested or pouting. As far as I can tell, Lavin, whose coaching abilities I am ambivalent of, is a lot more loyal to his players and this program, than our win-starved fans. Give me Creighton fans any day, who filled an arena with positive energy despite a 9 (NINE) game losing streak and a season already in the dumper.

I'm not gonna give Lavin a pat on the back for being loyal. If we payed each fan millions of dollars they'd show up to every game. So it's not like Lavin deserves applause for sticking with the team he was hired to stick with.

Jack, everyone gives credit well deserved to Harrison for turning it around. Harrison gives Harrison the blame for being the jerk who deserved to get booted. Coach K likely would have booted him. You know, loyalty has little to do with how much you are earning, and once you have a career you will understand that the best managers are loyal to the people below him who earn far less. Our fans get so damned hung up on Lavin's salary. Look if we don't win, if he was making NR money, he gets fired. And if we win, his salary is irrelevant. I wish we'd just judge him on performance - the salary is none of our business because very few fans are kicking in big time to pay it.

I still don't understand why he deserves credit. He was paid to do a service for our basketball team and he's in the midst of attempting to do a good job. I don't need to have a job to understand that if your are getting payed a lot of money, and probably won't get hired elsewhere, then you probably won't leave your current job. Only other job he would get is his espn or fox job and believe me he doesn't wanna show his face around espn again without making a tournament with his own players. All his credibility will be gone.

Lavin is a lot of things and he could talk his way out of anything but he hasn't really done anything that gives me the impression he's a loyal person.

Why? Because coaching - HS, AAU, and yes, college has a ton of dirtbags who treat kids like meal tickets, flushing them as soon as they've lost value. No doubt that Lavin had a vested interest in Harrison turning himself around, in Jordan returning to the roster earlier this year, for Obekpa to reverse his decision to leave, and Greene also - BUT if you listen to the kids, no one at SJU who is gone from here has ever disparaged Lavin, and some, like Polee and Garrett have spoken highly of him. Our tendency as fans is to take losing and then not just focus on inability to win, but to disparage every aspect of the guy. None of us, EVEN THOSE WHO CLAIM TO HAVE A FRIEND OF A FRIEND OF A FRIEND who picks up towels in the AD, really know Lavin, his intentions or work ethic. Everyone interprets everything out of context. So if Lavin means that on an off day I have to get as far away as possible, yoga, meditation whatever - to keep sane because this stuff is killing me - then right now its perverted to mean he's lazy and doesn't care.

I'm all for him not being renewed if we don't turn this around, but the rest of this fan garbage is just that.

Gun to your head Beast, if SL lands a stellar class, but season ends badly, (no NCAA T) would you cut bait or stay the course with him?

Paultz, you know I respect you, so I don't think it's a loaded question.

If this season ends badly, it will be at least partially due to the Harrison injury and maybe Jordan. That's not an excuse because a deeper bench with very talented but not ready for prime time freshman could have shouldered that burden, but...

If he lands a stellar class he will be back, and I would stay the course for one more contracted season. Now, if his contract was running out at the end of this season that would be another story. I'm guessing he has reasonable assurances from AD that he will be here next season because he is recruiting hard, has one big recruit, and is a finalist with others.

Respect you as well Beast & frankly I go back & forth on this. The possibility of landing a stellar class frankly is hard for me to resist. I appreciate your response.

If he lands the stellar class that many are hoping (which would mean landing some more of the big names we're involved with), he HAS to be back if for no other reason than the future stability of the program. However, there's a very good chance it would be his last season here.

 

[TonyinFairfield]

Well johnny fannies with the season on the brink of bustardoville and the providence friars coming to town to play in front of 3000 (quiet) fans at the Worlds most famous arena, we face a more talented and deeper team tomorrow that will be looking for revenge. With rasheed questionable and d angelo still not 100% the game outcome is predictable. For johnny fans looking for some hope and a tonic for depression the antidote doesn't come saturday against the friars of providence. Steve lavin who is quite the virtuous person has not been able to bring the program to the level hoped. Stay thirsty my friends stay thirsty.

So, in your opinion, within just 7 days, the 12,000 "loyal" johnny fans, including at least 2,000 students, who showed up to outscream a large Duke contingent, will now stay home - either disinterested or pouting. As far as I can tell, Lavin, whose coaching abilities I am ambivalent of, is a lot more loyal to his players and this program, than our win-starved fans. Give me Creighton fans any day, who filled an arena with positive energy despite a 9 (NINE) game losing streak and a season already in the dumper.

I'm not gonna give Lavin a pat on the back for being loyal. If we payed each fan millions of dollars they'd show up to every game. So it's not like Lavin deserves applause for sticking with the team he was hired to stick with.

Jack, everyone gives credit well deserved to Harrison for turning it around. Harrison gives Harrison the blame for being the jerk who deserved to get booted. Coach K likely would have booted him. You know, loyalty has little to do with how much you are earning, and once you have a career you will understand that the best managers are loyal to the people below him who earn far less. Our fans get so damned hung up on Lavin's salary. Look if we don't win, if he was making NR money, he gets fired. And if we win, his salary is irrelevant. I wish we'd just judge him on performance - the salary is none of our business because very few fans are kicking in big time to pay it.

I still don't understand why he deserves credit. He was paid to do a service for our basketball team and he's in the midst of attempting to do a good job. I don't need to have a job to understand that if your are getting payed a lot of money, and probably won't get hired elsewhere, then you probably won't leave your current job. Only other job he would get is his espn or fox job and believe me he doesn't wanna show his face around espn again without making a tournament with his own players. All his credibility will be gone.

Lavin is a lot of things and he could talk his way out of anything but he hasn't really done anything that gives me the impression he's a loyal person.

Why? Because coaching - HS, AAU, and yes, college has a ton of dirtbags who treat kids like meal tickets, flushing them as soon as they've lost value. No doubt that Lavin had a vested interest in Harrison turning himself around, in Jordan returning to the roster earlier this year, for Obekpa to reverse his decision to leave, and Greene also - BUT if you listen to the kids, no one at SJU who is gone from here has ever disparaged Lavin, and some, like Polee and Garrett have spoken highly of him. Our tendency as fans is to take losing and then not just focus on inability to win, but to disparage every aspect of the guy. None of us, EVEN THOSE WHO CLAIM TO HAVE A FRIEND OF A FRIEND OF A FRIEND who picks up towels in the AD, really know Lavin, his intentions or work ethic. Everyone interprets everything out of context. So if Lavin means that on an off day I have to get as far away as possible, yoga, meditation whatever - to keep sane because this stuff is killing me - then right now its perverted to mean he's lazy and doesn't care.

I'm all for him not being renewed if we don't turn this around, but the rest of this fan garbage is just that.

Gun to your head Beast, if SL lands a stellar class, but season ends badly, (no NCAA T) would you cut bait or stay the course with him?

Paultz, you know I respect you, so I don't think it's a loaded question.

If this season ends badly, it will be at least partially due to the Harrison injury and maybe Jordan. That's not an excuse because a deeper bench with very talented but not ready for prime time freshman could have shouldered that burden, but...

If he lands a stellar class he will be back, and I would stay the course for one more contracted season. Now, if his contract was running out at the end of this season that would be another story. I'm guessing he has reasonable assurances from AD that he will be here next season because he is recruiting hard, has one big recruit, and is a finalist with others.

Respect you as well Beast & frankly I go back & forth on this. The possibility of landing a stellar class frankly is hard for me to resist. I appreciate your response.

If he lands the stellar class that many are hoping (which would mean landing some more of the big names we're involved with), he HAS to be back if for no other reason than the future stability of the program. However, there's a very good chance it would be his last season here.

Agree with you, Beast and Paultzman. One more year, with a top recruiting class. Then, all bets are off.

 

[Andrew]

Well johnny fannies with the season on the brink of bustardoville and the providence friars coming to town to play in front of 3000 (quiet) fans at the Worlds most famous arena, we face a more talented and deeper team tomorrow that will be looking for revenge. With rasheed questionable and d angelo still not 100% the game outcome is predictable. For johnny fans looking for some hope and a tonic for depression the antidote doesn't come saturday against the friars of providence. Steve lavin who is quite the virtuous person has not been able to bring the program to the level hoped. Stay thirsty my friends stay thirsty.

So, in your opinion, within just 7 days, the 12,000 "loyal" johnny fans, including at least 2,000 students, who showed up to outscream a large Duke contingent, will now stay home - either disinterested or pouting. As far as I can tell, Lavin, whose coaching abilities I am ambivalent of, is a lot more loyal to his players and this program, than our win-starved fans. Give me Creighton fans any day, who filled an arena with positive energy despite a 9 (NINE) game losing streak and a season already in the dumper.

I'm not gonna give Lavin a pat on the back for being loyal. If we payed each fan millions of dollars they'd show up to every game. So it's not like Lavin deserves applause for sticking with the team he was hired to stick with.

Jack, everyone gives credit well deserved to Harrison for turning it around. Harrison gives Harrison the blame for being the jerk who deserved to get booted. Coach K likely would have booted him. You know, loyalty has little to do with how much you are earning, and once you have a career you will understand that the best managers are loyal to the people below him who earn far less. Our fans get so damned hung up on Lavin's salary. Look if we don't win, if he was making NR money, he gets fired. And if we win, his salary is irrelevant. I wish we'd just judge him on performance - the salary is none of our business because very few fans are kicking in big time to pay it.

You don't think the over priced tickets we buy help pay for his salary?

 

[mjmaherjr]

Well johnny fannies with the season on the brink of bustardoville and the providence friars coming to town to play in front of 3000 (quiet) fans at the Worlds most famous arena, we face a more talented and deeper team tomorrow that will be looking for revenge. With rasheed questionable and d angelo still not 100% the game outcome is predictable. For johnny fans looking for some hope and a tonic for depression the antidote doesn't come saturday against the friars of providence. Steve lavin who is quite the virtuous person has not been able to bring the program to the level hoped. Stay thirsty my friends stay thirsty.

So, in your opinion, within just 7 days, the 12,000 "loyal" johnny fans, including at least 2,000 students, who showed up to outscream a large Duke contingent, will now stay home - either disinterested or pouting. As far as I can tell, Lavin, whose coaching abilities I am ambivalent of, is a lot more loyal to his players and this program, than our win-starved fans. Give me Creighton fans any day, who filled an arena with positive energy despite a 9 (NINE) game losing streak and a season already in the dumper.

I'm not gonna give Lavin a pat on the back for being loyal. If we payed each fan millions of dollars they'd show up to every game. So it's not like Lavin deserves applause for sticking with the team he was hired to stick with.

Jack, everyone gives credit well deserved to Harrison for turning it around. Harrison gives Harrison the blame for being the jerk who deserved to get booted. Coach K likely would have booted him. You know, loyalty has little to do with how much you are earning, and once you have a career you will understand that the best managers are loyal to the people below him who earn far less. Our fans get so damned hung up on Lavin's salary. Look if we don't win, if he was making NR money, he gets fired. And if we win, his salary is irrelevant. I wish we'd just judge him on performance - the salary is none of our business because very few fans are kicking in big time to pay it.

I still don't understand why he deserves credit. He was paid to do a service for our basketball team and he's in the midst of attempting to do a good job. I don't need to have a job to understand that if your are getting payed a lot of money, and probably won't get hired elsewhere, then you probably won't leave your current job. Only other job he would get is his espn or fox job and believe me he doesn't wanna show his face around espn again without making a tournament with his own players. All his credibility will be gone.

Lavin is a lot of things and he could talk his way out of anything but he hasn't really done anything that gives me the impression he's a loyal person.

Why? Because coaching - HS, AAU, and yes, college has a ton of dirtbags who treat kids like meal tickets, flushing them as soon as they've lost value. No doubt that Lavin had a vested interest in Harrison turning himself around, in Jordan returning to the roster earlier this year, for Obekpa to reverse his decision to leave, and Greene also - BUT if you listen to the kids, no one at SJU who is gone from here has ever disparaged Lavin, and some, like Polee and Garrett have spoken highly of him. Our tendency as fans is to take losing and then not just focus on inability to win, but to disparage every aspect of the guy. None of us, EVEN THOSE WHO CLAIM TO HAVE A FRIEND OF A FRIEND OF A FRIEND who picks up towels in the AD, really know Lavin, his intentions or work ethic. Everyone interprets everything out of context. So if Lavin means that on an off day I have to get as far away as possible, yoga, meditation whatever - to keep sane because this stuff is killing me - then right now its perverted to mean he's lazy and doesn't care.

I'm all for him not being renewed if we don't turn this around, but the rest of this fan garbage is just that.

Gun to your head Beast, if SL lands a stellar class, but season ends badly, (no NCAA T) would you cut bait or stay the course with him?

Paultz, you know I respect you, so I don't think it's a loaded question.

If this season ends badly, it will be at least partially due to the Harrison injury and maybe Jordan. That's not an excuse because a deeper bench with very talented but not ready for prime time freshman could have shouldered that burden, but...

If he lands a stellar class he will be back, and I would stay the course for one more contracted season. Now, if his contract was running out at the end of this season that would be another story. I'm guessing he has reasonable assurances from AD that he will be here next season because he is recruiting hard, has one big recruit, and is a finalist with others.

Respect you as well Beast & frankly I go back & forth on this. The possibility of landing a stellar class frankly is hard for me to resist. I appreciate your response.

Agree. Must be stellar

 

[beast of the east]

Well johnny fannies with the season on the brink of bustardoville and the providence friars coming to town to play in front of 3000 (quiet) fans at the Worlds most famous arena, we face a more talented and deeper team tomorrow that will be looking for revenge. With rasheed questionable and d angelo still not 100% the game outcome is predictable. For johnny fans looking for some hope and a tonic for depression the antidote doesn't come saturday against the friars of providence. Steve lavin who is quite the virtuous person has not been able to bring the program to the level hoped. Stay thirsty my friends stay thirsty.

So, in your opinion, within just 7 days, the 12,000 "loyal" johnny fans, including at least 2,000 students, who showed up to outscream a large Duke contingent, will now stay home - either disinterested or pouting. As far as I can tell, Lavin, whose coaching abilities I am ambivalent of, is a lot more loyal to his players and this program, than our win-starved fans. Give me Creighton fans any day, who filled an arena with positive energy despite a 9 (NINE) game losing streak and a season already in the dumper.

I'm not gonna give Lavin a pat on the back for being loyal. If we payed each fan millions of dollars they'd show up to every game. So it's not like Lavin deserves applause for sticking with the team he was hired to stick with.

Jack, everyone gives credit well deserved to Harrison for turning it around. Harrison gives Harrison the blame for being the jerk who deserved to get booted. Coach K likely would have booted him. You know, loyalty has little to do with how much you are earning, and once you have a career you will understand that the best managers are loyal to the people below him who earn far less. Our fans get so damned hung up on Lavin's salary. Look if we don't win, if he was making NR money, he gets fired. And if we win, his salary is irrelevant. I wish we'd just judge him on performance - the salary is none of our business because very few fans are kicking in big time to pay it.

You don't think the over priced tickets we buy help pay for his salary?

No. There is not enough net revenue from tickets to pay him $2 million. TV contract revenu helps support other D1 non revenue producing sports, so best avenue for funding comes from generous donations.

 

[ZanMan]

You guys crack me up. What makes any of you think the school will get a coach in here who will do a much better job than Coach Lavin? I certainly don't have confidence in that...not one bit.

We could easily be longing for the Steve Lavin days several years from now.

 

[ManhattAn1]

I am saying 9,000 to 10,000 for the game on Saturday. A lot of Providence fans will be there.
Already selling tickets in the 200's (upper bowl) that means lower bowl close to being packed and that holds about 8500.

 

[MainMan]

Keys to the game:
-We need to execute on offense.
-We need to limit turnovers.
-We need to close out on their shooters.
-And we need to win the rebounding battle.

 

[monte]

Well johnny fannies with the season on the brink of bustardoville and the providence friars coming to town to play in front of 3000 (quiet) fans at the Worlds most famous arena, we face a more talented and deeper team tomorrow that will be looking for revenge. With rasheed questionable and d angelo still not 100% the game outcome is predictable. For johnny fans looking for some hope and a tonic for depression the antidote doesn't come saturday against the friars of providence. Steve lavin who is quite the virtuous person has not been able to bring the program to the level hoped. Stay thirsty my friends stay thirsty.

So, in your opinion, within just 7 days, the 12,000 "loyal" johnny fans, including at least 2,000 students, who showed up to outscream a large Duke contingent, will now stay home - either disinterested or pouting. As far as I can tell, Lavin, whose coaching abilities I am ambivalent of, is a lot more loyal to his players and this program, than our win-starved fans. Give me Creighton fans any day, who filled an arena with positive energy despite a 9 (NINE) game losing streak and a season already in the dumper.

I'm not gonna give Lavin a pat on the back for being loyal. If we payed each fan millions of dollars they'd show up to every game. So it's not like Lavin deserves applause for sticking with the team he was hired to stick with.

Jack, everyone gives credit well deserved to Harrison for turning it around. Harrison gives Harrison the blame for being the jerk who deserved to get booted. Coach K likely would have booted him. You know, loyalty has little to do with how much you are earning, and once you have a career you will understand that the best managers are loyal to the people below him who earn far less. Our fans get so damned hung up on Lavin's salary. Look if we don't win, if he was making NR money, he gets fired. And if we win, his salary is irrelevant. I wish we'd just judge him on performance - the salary is none of our business because very few fans are kicking in big time to pay it.

I still don't understand why he deserves credit. He was paid to do a service for our basketball team and he's in the midst of attempting to do a good job. I don't need to have a job to understand that if your are getting payed a lot of money, and probably won't get hired elsewhere, then you probably won't leave your current job. Only other job he would get is his espn or fox job and believe me he doesn't wanna show his face around espn again without making a tournament with his own players. All his credibility will be gone.

Lavin is a lot of things and he could talk his way out of anything but he hasn't really done anything that gives me the impression he's a loyal person.

Why? Because coaching - HS, AAU, and yes, college has a ton of dirtbags who treat kids like meal tickets, flushing them as soon as they've lost value. No doubt that Lavin had a vested interest in Harrison turning himself around, in Jordan returning to the roster earlier this year, for Obekpa to reverse his decision to leave, and Greene also - BUT if you listen to the kids, no one at SJU who is gone from here has ever disparaged Lavin, and some, like Polee and Garrett have spoken highly of him. Our tendency as fans is to take losing and then not just focus on inability to win, but to disparage every aspect of the guy. None of us, EVEN THOSE WHO CLAIM TO HAVE A FRIEND OF A FRIEND OF A FRIEND who picks up towels in the AD, really know Lavin, his intentions or work ethic. Everyone interprets everything out of context. So if Lavin means that on an off day I have to get as far away as possible, yoga, meditation whatever - to keep sane because this stuff is killing me - then right now its perverted to mean he's lazy and doesn't care.

I'm all for him not being renewed if we don't turn this around, but the rest of this fan garbage is just that.

So let me get this straight Beast: you want to give Lavin credit for convincing Obekpa and Green to return to the team but absolve him of any blame for them being disgruntled and wanting to leave in the first place? Also when you talk about flushing a kid down the toilet are you talking about how Lavin Flushed Ron Roberts down the toilet after the kid committed to us, and just a few months before school was about to start? You think the guy's a stand up guy based on how you interpret things. Others on here think the guy's a snake oil salesman based on how they interpret things. Yet others fall someone where in the middle based on how they interpret things. Whether you want to see it or not, there's plenty of merit to each position. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and that doesn't make another person's opinion "garbage" any more than it makes your opinion "garbage"

 

[Redmen88]

I don't think it would be very difficult to find a coach that will do a better job than Lavs. What has he done, 1 NCAA with Norms guys. 1 top 5 recruiting class that can't even make it to the NCAA's. We are in constant turmoil, academic non-qualifiers every year, no roster balance and we can't even crack a triangle 2 defense. Find me a coach who recruits basketballs players that understand the game that can shoot from 15+ out. Mix that in with an occasional stud and at least you have a chance to compete. Plus the brand of basketball we play is ugly. Do you enjoy watching 7 minutes of no field goals each game? I thought Lavs was going to be a great hire but I am ready to watch some better basketball.