(PRE-GAME) @Marquette, Tues. Feb. 5, 8pm, FS1 / 570AM

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[quote="Knight" post=320158][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=320152][quote="usguard" post=320133]Could be a lopsided victory for them if their coach uses the same game plan on ponds that Duke did and fear teams we play from here on use[/quote] Everyone blamed Ponds. But the truth is ,if he is double teamed ,others are open,we have to take advantage and other players have to step up. Clark has to avoid stupid fouls.[/quote]

When this happens repeatedly, it's on the coach to design a solution and the player(s) to execute the plan.[/quote]

The coaches did design a solution. Justin Simon brought up the ball to start the 2nd half, which is a great strategy in a vaccum and perhaps against most teams, however, Justin's handle isn't tight enough to bring it up without risking even worse turnovers against long athletic Cam Reddish (or RJ Barrett), so that had to be scrapped immediately in favor of Ponds again. Mikey Dixon should have been the guy bringing the ball up that game...
 
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Tonight is a huge game - it's our last chance to get a truly impressive road win on our resume, which could be the kind of win which would allow the committee to overlook a sub .500 BE record. With a loss, I think going 5-3 with one win in the BET the rest of the way (which would take us to 22-11) is necessary to not be sweating it out on Selection Sunday.
 
[quote="Tha Kid" post=320169]Tonight is a huge game - it's our last chance to get a truly impressive road win on our resume, which could be the kind of win which would allow the committee to overlook a sub .500 BE record. With a loss, I think going 5-3 with one win in the BET the rest of the way (which would take us to 22-11) is necessary to not be sweating it out on Selection Sunday.[/quote]
Agree, also SJU has lost 5 of last 7 games, not exactly momentum. Grab a win tonight or do the math, analytics or not.
 
[quote="Tha Kid" post=320169]Tonight is a huge game - it's our last chance to get a truly impressive road win on our resume, which could be the kind of win which would allow the committee to overlook a sub .500 BE record. With a loss, I think going 5-3 with one win in the BET the rest of the way (which would take us to 22-11) is necessary to not be sweating it out on Selection Sunday.[/quote]

Just pointing out there's nine games left. 6-3 and one in BET would probably good side of the bubble position. I think you meant 5-4 in your post. I doubt that would be enough to not be sweating, though it still might make it. But if those 5 plus one are all Xavier, Providence and Depaul (bottom half BE teams that could finish as the bottom 3), that could be very dicey.

PS I think/hope they're going to pull it together and go 6-3 or 7-2 in the next 9 and hopefully eliminate all doubt!
 
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In our victory over them they had only 10 offensive rebounds and three of their starters had 4 fouls while the other two had 3 fouls. This leads me to believe we weren't just popping three pointers. If I'm not mistaken Simon took Howard down low and had a good scoring night. Going to be close tonight.
 
[quote="Section9" post=320156][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=320154][quote="Section9" post=320090][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=320063][quote="Section9" post=320061][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=320060][quote="Section9" post=320044][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=319939][quote="Section9" post=319919][quote="Marillac" post=319917][quote="Section9" post=319916][quote="Enright" post=319761]In the first game Howard had a terrible shooting night but SJU also showed what an inferior defensive player he is. Ponds has to take him one on one and if Howard moves over tocover Simon, Simon has to produce down low.
If that don't work Mullin should consider playing Clark and Kieta at the same time forcing Howard to cover Ponds or LJ who will both eat him up or force Marq into a zone which they don't like to do.[/quote]

They're going to have Anim on Shamorie. Only way Howard gets him if they're caught in a switch.
Same time Justin's on Howard and Shamorie primarily gets him in a switch.
Difference is Shamorie's a better defender than Howard.[/quote]

That leaves Howard to cover Simon, Heron, or Figueroa. That is post-up city and a huge reason why we are such a tough matchup for them.

I don't understand why they don't zone us for 40 minutes. It makes no sense to play us man, especially at home.[/quote]

Probably Howard on Simon and the Hausers on LJ and Heron. If Justin posts Howard and makes quick moves he could get to the hoop or create open looks when they collapse on him. It's a big if tho.[/quote]

Serious question, not joking.
Why would anyone collapse on simon?
Let him take the untested layup, his layups are 50-50 anyway.
He'd have to show that he could make them before collapsing on him.[/quote]

Serious answer. There's a difference when Simon throws up wild acrobatic layup attempts when he is being challenged by a bigger defender(s) and when he spins in while being guarded by a 5'10" guard in the lane.[/quote]

But why even take those retarded layup shots? He'll miss those 90% of the time, then it's a wasted possession, then the other team comes down with 3ball and there's a 5pnt swing.
Rather him just stop, take it to the 3pnt line and set the offense. They'd have a better chance at scoring.

Mullin needs to tell to stop that crap or you'll see the bench for the next 10minutes of game time, each one after adds 2minutes to the bench.[/quote]

You asked why anybody would double Simon in the lane and I gave you my answer. Look, I get you don't like Simon, but good luck with Keita, Trimble or Williams replacing him.[/quote]

Trimble isn't a high major bball player, jury is still out on Keita, just getting his legs back, not gonna say wait till next year to see what he has, but I want to see what he gives us in March.
Greg Williams - I'm pretty confident that by his junior year that he'll be better then Simon, atleast won't be missing 2ft shots., and layups.[/quote]

You're like a one trick pony with a broken leg.[/quote]

Lol but isn't it the truth or am I just making it up?[/quote]

The truth, the truth, you can't handle the truth. BTW you're making it up.;)[/quote]

lol ok I'm wrong.
So, tonight lets see how many layups he'll make and miss, hell 50% will be an improvement.
Hey, I hope he hits his layups tonight, it would benefit my team. Now can he?
Stay tuned.
 
[quote="austour" post=320175][quote="Tha Kid" post=320169]Tonight is a huge game - it's our last chance to get a truly impressive road win on our resume, which could be the kind of win which would allow the committee to overlook a sub .500 BE record. With a loss, I think going 5-3 with one win in the BET the rest of the way (which would take us to 22-11) is necessary to not be sweating it out on Selection Sunday.[/quote]

Just pointing out there's nine games left. 6-3 and one in BET would probably good side of the bubble position. I think you meant 5-4 in your post. I doubt that would be enough to not be sweating, though it still might make it. But if those 5 plus one are all Xavier, Providence and Depaul (bottom half BE teams that could finish as the bottom 3), that could be very dicey.

PS I think/hope they're going to pull it together and go 6-3 or 7-2 in the next 9 and hopefully eliminate all doubt![/quote]

By saying "With a loss, I think going 5-3 the rest of the way with at least one win in BET..." meant L to marquette, followed by 5-3 in the next 8 (5-4 total rest of reg season), + 1-1 in BET (6-5 rest of way including BET). Sorry if that was not clear.

I think 22-11 with 10-10 in the Big East should get us in...but maybe I'm being too reliant on the old way they used to pick teams pre-heavy analytics.
 
Jack of Virginia wrote: n our victory over them they had only 10 offensive rebounds and three of their starters had 4 fouls while the other two had 3 fouls. This leads me to believe we weren't just popping three pointers. If I'm not mistaken Simon took Howard down low and had a good scoring night. Going to be close tonight.

Not only were their guys in foul trouble when we played them at home, our starters all managed to stay out of foul trouble and all 5 played well. In my view that will be key to tonight's game - attack these guys off the dribble especially on the break and get them in foul trouble and our starters need to stay out of foul trouble. Assume Simon will guard Howard and Figgy & Heron the Hauser brothers - stay up on them so no easy threes but avoid silly fouls. We will need at least a halfway balanced whistle tonight in Wisconsin.
 
[quote="JackofVirginia" post=320180]In our victory over them they had only 10 offensive rebounds and three of their starters had 4 fouls while the other two had 3 fouls. This leads me to believe we weren't just popping three pointers. If I'm not mistaken Simon took Howard down low and had a good scoring night. Going to be close tonight.[/quote]

10 offensive boards is actually more than they average. We did get a friendly whistle, though, as you pointed out.

It’s tough to win this kind of game on the road. If they didn’t get embarrassed by Duke, I would have said they had no chance at all.

Let’s see how they respond. It will tell us a lot.
 
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[quote="Marillac" post=320184][quote="JackofVirginia" post=320180]In our victory over them they had only 10 offensive rebounds and three of their starters had 4 fouls while the other two had 3 fouls. This leads me to believe we weren't just popping three pointers. If I'm not mistaken Simon took Howard down low and had a good scoring night. Going to be close tonight.[/quote]

10 offensive boards is actually more than they average. We did get a friendly whistle, though, as you pointed out.

It’s tough to win this kind of game on the road. If they didn’t get embarrassed by Duke, I would have said they had no chance at all.

Let’s see how they respond. It will tell us a lot.[/quote]

Yeah, it sure will.
 
[quote="Tha Kid" post=320165][quote="Knight" post=320158][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=320152][quote="usguard" post=320133]Could be a lopsided victory for them if their coach uses the same game plan on ponds that Duke did and fear teams we play from here on use[/quote] Everyone blamed Ponds. But the truth is ,if he is double teamed ,others are open,we have to take advantage and other players have to step up. Clark has to avoid stupid fouls.[/quote]

When this happens repeatedly, it's on the coach to design a solution and the player(s) to execute the plan.[/quote]

The coaches did design a solution. Justin Simon brought up the ball to start the 2nd half, which is a great strategy in a vaccum and perhaps against most teams, however, Justin's handle isn't tight enough to bring it up without risking even worse turnovers against long athletic Cam Reddish (or RJ Barrett), so that had to be scrapped immediately in favor of Ponds again. Mikey Dixon should have been the guy bringing the ball up that game...[/quote]

How about more passing and less dribbling when bringing the ball up court?
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=320205]We lose a close one tonight, 82-80[/quote]

I think if we win this game tonight we go to the NCAA Tournament , if we lose we don’t. I think it’s that big of a game.
 
“No two bad games in a row for me” :)

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[quote="Tha Kid" post=320182][quote="austour" post=320175][quote="Tha Kid" post=320169]Tonight is a huge game - it's our last chance to get a truly impressive road win on our resume, which could be the kind of win which would allow the committee to overlook a sub .500 BE record. With a loss, I think going 5-3 with one win in the BET the rest of the way (which would take us to 22-11) is necessary to not be sweating it out on Selection Sunday.[/quote]

Just pointing out there's nine games left. 6-3 and one in BET would probably good side of the bubble position. I think you meant 5-4 in your post. I doubt that would be enough to not be sweating, though it still might make it. But if those 5 plus one are all Xavier, Providence and Depaul (bottom half BE teams that could finish as the bottom 3), that could be very dicey.

PS I think/hope they're going to pull it together and go 6-3 or 7-2 in the next 9 and hopefully eliminate all doubt![/quote]

By saying "With a loss, I think going 5-3 the rest of the way with at least one win in BET..." meant L to marquette, followed by 5-3 in the next 8 (5-4 total rest of reg season), + 1-1 in BET (6-5 rest of way including BET). Sorry if that was not clear.

I think 22-11 with 10-10 in the Big East should get us in...but maybe I'm being too reliant on the old way they used to pick teams pre-heavy analytics.[/quote]

My bad. Speed reading. I think 22-11 would need to have a couple good wins or pretty good road wins from here on out. Some teams are going to get to 10 wins in the BE, I reckon at least 2 besides Marquette and Nova. I guess it depends on how many BE teams they put in. If the Pac 12 really only gets 2 or 3 there's more to go around for the other multi bid conferences. Let's hope for very few conference tourney upsets of automatic bid teams.
 
I think something to watch for tonight. Between Theo John and Marvin Clarke, which player can stay on the floor and avoid foul trouble. Last game, John was in foul trouble all night and played 15 minutes.

While Clark played arguably his best game of the season.

Will definitely be something to keep an eye on
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=320215]I think something to watch for tonight. Between Theo John and Marvin Clarke, which player can stay on the floor and avoid foul trouble. Last game, John was in foul trouble all night and played 15 minutes.

While Clark played arguably his best game of the season.

Will definitely be something to keep an eye on[/quote]
Marv just picked up his second :)

Seriously, agree with you & John can be a very chippy player who provokes a lot.
 
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This is the type of game that turns seasons around if you can win. If we don't want to sweat selection Sunday these are the type you need.
 
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