(PRE-GAME) @Marquette, Tues. Feb. 5, 8pm, FS1 / 570AM

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[quote="Monte" post=319871][quote="Enright" post=319761]In the first game Howard had a terrible shooting night but SJU also showed what an inferior defensive player he is. Ponds has to take him one on one and if Howard moves over tocover Simon, Simon has to produce down low.
If that don't work Mullin should consider playing Clark and Kieta at the same time forcing Howard to cover Ponds or LJ who will both eat him up or force Marq into a zone which they don't like to do.[/quote]

Actually like the idea of starting Kieta and Clark, let Simon be 1st guy off bench. High energy guy. Can maybe spell Clark early as soon as he picks up his first foul. Feel like mixing things up a little can’t hurt.[/quote]

Not against Marquette. Need Simon on Howard.
 
[quote="Enright" post=319761]In the first game Howard had a terrible shooting night but SJU also showed what an inferior defensive player he is. Ponds has to take him one on one and if Howard moves over tocover Simon, Simon has to produce down low.
If that don't work Mullin should consider playing Clark and Kieta at the same time forcing Howard to cover Ponds or LJ who will both eat him up or force Marq into a zone which they don't like to do.[/quote]

They're going to have Anim on Shamorie. Only way Howard gets him if they're caught in a switch.
Same time Justin's on Howard and Shamorie primarily gets him in a switch.
Difference is Shamorie's a better defender than Howard.
 
[quote="Section9" post=319916][quote="Enright" post=319761]In the first game Howard had a terrible shooting night but SJU also showed what an inferior defensive player he is. Ponds has to take him one on one and if Howard moves over tocover Simon, Simon has to produce down low.
If that don't work Mullin should consider playing Clark and Kieta at the same time forcing Howard to cover Ponds or LJ who will both eat him up or force Marq into a zone which they don't like to do.[/quote]

They're going to have Anim on Shamorie. Only way Howard gets him if they're caught in a switch.
Same time Justin's on Howard and Shamorie primarily gets him in a switch.
Difference is Shamorie's a better defender than Howard.[/quote]

That leaves Howard to cover Simon, Heron, or Figueroa. That is post-up city and a huge reason why we are such a tough matchup for them.

I don't understand why they don't zone us for 40 minutes. It makes no sense to play us man, especially at home.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=319917][quote="Section9" post=319916][quote="Enright" post=319761]In the first game Howard had a terrible shooting night but SJU also showed what an inferior defensive player he is. Ponds has to take him one on one and if Howard moves over tocover Simon, Simon has to produce down low.
If that don't work Mullin should consider playing Clark and Kieta at the same time forcing Howard to cover Ponds or LJ who will both eat him up or force Marq into a zone which they don't like to do.[/quote]

They're going to have Anim on Shamorie. Only way Howard gets him if they're caught in a switch.
Same time Justin's on Howard and Shamorie primarily gets him in a switch.
Difference is Shamorie's a better defender than Howard.[/quote]

That leaves Howard to cover Simon, Heron, or Figueroa. That is post-up city and a huge reason why we are such a tough matchup for them.

I don't understand why they don't zone us for 40 minutes. It makes no sense to play us man, especially at home.[/quote]

Probably Howard on Simon and the Hausers on LJ and Heron. If Justin posts Howard and makes quick moves he could get to the hoop or create open looks when they collapse on him. It's a big if tho.
 
[quote="Section9" post=319919][quote="Marillac" post=319917][quote="Section9" post=319916][quote="Enright" post=319761]In the first game Howard had a terrible shooting night but SJU also showed what an inferior defensive player he is. Ponds has to take him one on one and if Howard moves over tocover Simon, Simon has to produce down low.
If that don't work Mullin should consider playing Clark and Kieta at the same time forcing Howard to cover Ponds or LJ who will both eat him up or force Marq into a zone which they don't like to do.[/quote]

They're going to have Anim on Shamorie. Only way Howard gets him if they're caught in a switch.
Same time Justin's on Howard and Shamorie primarily gets him in a switch.
Difference is Shamorie's a better defender than Howard.[/quote]

That leaves Howard to cover Simon, Heron, or Figueroa. That is post-up city and a huge reason why we are such a tough matchup for them.

I don't understand why they don't zone us for 40 minutes. It makes no sense to play us man, especially at home.[/quote]

Probably Howard on Simon and the Hausers on LJ and Heron. If Justin posts Howard and makes quick moves he could get to the hoop or create open looks when they collapse on him. It's a big if tho.[/quote]

That just seems like a massive mismatch to me. The way to cover Simon is the way McDermott and others have...put a big man on him and let them play in the paint as a safety.

If you are an opposing coach you want Simon flat-footed on the perimeter where he can't hurt you. Putting Howard on him invites him into the post where is actually very good.

This should be a zone for 40 minutes. We are so uniquely built with our best player at point and huge guards that we will wear Howard down on the defensive end in man. Either he faces the dynamo in Ponds or he gives us 6-7 inches and 30-40 lbs. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
 
[quote="Section9" post=319919][quote="Marillac" post=319917][quote="Section9" post=319916][quote="Enright" post=319761]In the first game Howard had a terrible shooting night but SJU also showed what an inferior defensive player he is. Ponds has to take him one on one and if Howard moves over tocover Simon, Simon has to produce down low.
If that don't work Mullin should consider playing Clark and Kieta at the same time forcing Howard to cover Ponds or LJ who will both eat him up or force Marq into a zone which they don't like to do.[/quote]

They're going to have Anim on Shamorie. Only way Howard gets him if they're caught in a switch.
Same time Justin's on Howard and Shamorie primarily gets him in a switch.
Difference is Shamorie's a better defender than Howard.[/quote]

That leaves Howard to cover Simon, Heron, or Figueroa. That is post-up city and a huge reason why we are such a tough matchup for them.

I don't understand why they don't zone us for 40 minutes. It makes no sense to play us man, especially at home.[/quote]

Probably Howard on Simon and the Hausers on LJ and Heron. If Justin posts Howard and makes quick moves he could get to the hoop or create open looks when they collapse on him. It's a big if tho.[/quote]

Serious question, not joking.
Why would anyone collapse on simon?
Let him take the untested layup, his layups are 50-50 anyway.
He'd have to show that he could make them before collapsing on him.
 
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Marquette has to be nervous about this one. They're clearly in the tournament in the top 10 and they're undefeated at home. Pressure should be on them. Don't think they go undefeated at home...conference is too tough. If anyone can do it, it's us or Nova. We are a bad matchup for them. I just hope Howard isn't due a 30 pt game on us since we always seem to hold him. Would be a huge win and get us back to being .500 at 17-6 (5-5). We'd also take sole possession of 3rd. That would also give us a sweep of a top 10 team for the resume and if we can hold home court until the Nova game, it would set up a HUGE game against them at the Garden when Nova may be top 10. This is the time of year we need to start playing our best consistently.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=319984]Marquette has to be nervous about this one. They're clearly in the tournament in the top 10 and they're undefeated at home. Pressure should be on them. Don't think they go undefeated at home...conference is too tough. If anyone can do it, it's us or Nova. We are a bad matchup for them. I just hope Howard isn't due a 30 pt game on us since we always seem to hold him. Would be a huge win and get us back to being .500 at 17-6 (5-5). We'd also take sole possession of 3rd. That would also give us a sweep of a top 10 team for the resume and if we can hold home court until the Nova game, it would set up a HUGE game against them at the Garden when Nova may be top 10. This is the time of year we need to start playing our best consistently.[/quote]

I feel the complete opposite. Even with a loss Marquette would still hold a 2 game lead for second place. They still have to play Nova twice and for them to win the regular season title they most likely would need to beat Nova both times.
 
[quote="stjohnnie75" post=319992][quote="Mike Zaun" post=319984]Marquette has to be nervous about this one. They're clearly in the tournament in the top 10 and they're undefeated at home. Pressure should be on them. Don't think they go undefeated at home...conference is too tough. If anyone can do it, it's us or Nova. We are a bad matchup for them. I just hope Howard isn't due a 30 pt game on us since we always seem to hold him. Would be a huge win and get us back to being .500 at 17-6 (5-5). We'd also take sole possession of 3rd. That would also give us a sweep of a top 10 team for the resume and if we can hold home court until the Nova game, it would set up a HUGE game against them at the Garden when Nova may be top 10. This is the time of year we need to start playing our best consistently.[/quote]

I feel the complete opposite. Even with a loss Marquette would still hold a 2 game lead for second place. They still have to play Nova twice and for them to win the regular season title they most likely would need to beat Nova both times.[/quote]

Just hard to picture them taking us lightly IMO after we thrashed them and totally neutralized Howard. I think they will feel pressure to keep up with Nova and no one would be shocked if Nova doesn't lose again. Jay Wright teams become monsters as the season goes on. They are clicking and you will have to really bring your A game to beat them because they never beat themselves. I also think they're good but not top 10 good and are due to lose at home. They won 8 straight...hard to go on a streak much bigger than that in conference play with so many pesky teams. I really hope we can beat them and win a few at home before the Nova game at MSG. That would be one of the biggest games in recent memory. If we win the Marq. game then beat PC and Butler at home, Nova would be potentially our 20th win with a huge exclamation point and we'd have essentially 3 top 10 worthy wins 2x vs. Marq. and 1x vs. Nova. We'd also be over .500 in conference play. Doing that would likely take any sweat out of selection Sunday.
 
Close game, decided in last five minutes with Marquette preserving their winning streak & home court advantage unfortunately
 
I'm picking the big upset in Wisconsin. If we play our best we can beat them even at home - relatively good matchup for us. Justin needs to shut down Howard again, Clark needs to stay on the court (he had 22 against them in NY) and Shamorie needs to rebound big time from Saturday's off game. Just hope we get a balanced game from refs as we will need that to pull off the upset. Fingers crossed.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=320000]Close game, decided in last five minutes with Marquette preserving their winning streak & home court advantage unfortunately[/quote]

Is Marquette really top 10 good though? I feel like they've reached their peak. Maybe I'm wrong. If you keep Howard to 20 or less you have a real shot IMO any day. Hausers are skilled but not very athletic. They are the typical midwestern chuck and pray type team with good skill but average athleticism. If their shots aren't falling 40% or better and we hold Howard to 20 or less I think we have a great shot. They're due to be off at home after being undefeated and winning 8 straight overall. We're the clear better team when our cylinders are clicking IMO. The difference is they're consistent and we're not.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=320004][quote="Paultzman" post=320000]Close game, decided in last five minutes with Marquette preserving their winning streak & home court advantage unfortunately[/quote]

Is Marquette really top 10 good though? I feel like they've reached their peak. Maybe I'm wrong. If you keep Howard to 20 or less you have a real shot IMO any day. Hausers are skilled but not very athletic. They are the typical midwestern chuck and pray type team with good skill but average athleticism. If their shots aren't falling 40% or better and we hold Howard to 20 or less I think we have a great shot. They're due to be off at home after being undefeated and winning 8 straight overall. We're the clear better team when our cylinders are clicking IMO. The difference is they're consistent and we're not.[/quote]

Marquette is for real. I think they will be the last BE team left in the tournament. Especially if Howard goes on a run.
 
[quote="alexander salem" post=320007][quote="Mike Zaun" post=320004][quote="Paultzman" post=320000]Close game, decided in last five minutes with Marquette preserving their winning streak & home court advantage unfortunately[/quote]

Is Marquette really top 10 good though? I feel like they've reached their peak. Maybe I'm wrong. If you keep Howard to 20 or less you have a real shot IMO any day. Hausers are skilled but not very athletic. They are the typical midwestern chuck and pray type team with good skill but average athleticism. If their shots aren't falling 40% or better and we hold Howard to 20 or less I think we have a great shot. They're due to be off at home after being undefeated and winning 8 straight overall. We're the clear better team when our cylinders are clicking IMO. The difference is they're consistent and we're not.[/quote]

Marquette is for real. I think they will be the last BE team left in the tournament. Especially if Howard goes on a run.[/quote]

I don't think they're any comparison to Nova IMO. Marquette will have some pretty dud games here and there which is why we were able to trounce them at home. Nova almost never had a down game and they have the best chemistry of any team in the conference IMO. I think Marquette is a top 20 team but not top 10. Let's get this win and get the fans out for the home stand! If we lose it's not the end of the world obviously, but we will have to dominate at home. Can't be forced to rely on a huge BET performance again to dance. For once, let's just take care of business.
 
Hopefully, we catch these guys looking ahead a bit, to their game with Villanova on Saturday.

Every little bit helps.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=320004][quote="Paultzman" post=320000]Close game, decided in last five minutes with Marquette preserving their winning streak & home court advantage unfortunately[/quote]

Is Marquette really top 10 good though[/quote]

No. Top 25, yes, but not not top 10.
 
Going to be a battle, Marquette looking for revenge.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=320008][quote="alexander salem" post=320007][quote="Mike Zaun" post=320004][quote="Paultzman" post=320000]Close game, decided in last five minutes with Marquette preserving their winning streak & home court advantage unfortunately[/quote]

Is Marquette really top 10 good though? I feel like they've reached their peak. Maybe I'm wrong. If you keep Howard to 20 or less you have a real shot IMO any day. Hausers are skilled but not very athletic. They are the typical midwestern chuck and pray type team with good skill but average athleticism. If their shots aren't falling 40% or better and we hold Howard to 20 or less I think we have a great shot. They're due to be off at home after being undefeated and winning 8 straight overall. We're the clear better team when our cylinders are clicking IMO. The difference is they're consistent and we're not.[/quote]

Marquette is for real. I think they will be the last BE team left in the tournament. Especially if Howard goes on a run.[/quote]

I don't think they're any comparison to Nova IMO. Marquette will have some pretty dud games here and there which is why we were able to trounce them at home. Nova almost never had a down game and they have the best chemistry of any team in the conference IMO. I think Marquette is a top 20 team but not top 10. Let's get this win and get the fans out for the home stand! If we lose it's not the end of the world obviously, but we will have to dominate at home. Can't be forced to rely on a huge BET performance again to dance. For once, let's just take care of business.[/quote]
Agree on top 20 v 10 point
 
Zach B from NY Post today

“St. John’s visits Marquette, a rematch of the Johnnies’ 89-69 rout on New Year’s Day. The Big East has two tournament locks in the two ranked teams, but it desperately needs a third team to emerge from the rubble that is third through ninth places. One loss separates seven teams.

The Johnnies, tied for third place with Georgetown and owning three quadrant one wins, match up well with the Golden Eagles, as the first encounter illustrated — they held Big East Player of the Year front-runner Markus Howard to eight points on 2-of-15 shooting — and a win here would set them up for a big stretch run.

Five of their next six games are at home, including a Feb. 17 showdown with Villanova at the Garden. When on, St. John’s is top-25 good, and it has shown signs of improved play of late, hammering Creighton on Wednesday and hanging with second-ranked Duke for a half on Saturday. A win Tuesday could catapult the Johnnies.”
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=319995][quote="stjohnnie75" post=319992][quote="Mike Zaun" post=319984]Marquette has to be nervous about this one. They're clearly in the tournament in the top 10 and they're undefeated at home. Pressure should be on them. Don't think they go undefeated at home...conference is too tough. If anyone can do it, it's us or Nova. We are a bad matchup for them. I just hope Howard isn't due a 30 pt game on us since we always seem to hold him. Would be a huge win and get us back to being .500 at 17-6 (5-5). We'd also take sole possession of 3rd. That would also give us a sweep of a top 10 team for the resume and if we can hold home court until the Nova game, it would set up a HUGE game against them at the Garden when Nova may be top 10. This is the time of year we need to start playing our best consistently.[/quote]

I feel the complete opposite. Even with a loss Marquette would still hold a 2 game lead for second place. They still have to play Nova twice and for them to win the regular season title they most likely would need to beat Nova both times.[/quote]

Just hard to picture them taking us lightly IMO after we thrashed them and totally neutralized Howard. I think they will feel pressure to keep up with Nova and no one would be shocked if Nova doesn't lose again. Jay Wright teams become monsters as the season goes on. They are clicking and you will have to really bring your A game to beat them because they never beat themselves. I also think they're good but not top 10 good and are due to lose at home. They won 8 straight...hard to go on a streak much bigger than that in conference play with so many pesky teams. I really hope we can beat them and win a few at home before the Nova game at MSG. That would be one of the biggest games in recent memory. If we win the Marq. game then beat PC and Butler at home, Nova would be potentially our 20th win with a huge exclamation point and we'd have essentially 3 top 10 worthy wins 2x vs. Marq. and 1x vs. Nova. We'd also be over .500 in conference play. Doing that would likely take any sweat out of selection Sunday.[/quote]

I don’t think they will take us lightly, I just don’t think they will feel this is a pressure game. If they lose to us and then Nova, then they might feel pressure not losing three in a row when they head to DePaul.

Unfortunately, I think Howard goes off and they hit a ton of threes tomorrow night.
 
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