(PRE-GAME) @Marquette, Tues. Feb. 5, 8pm, FS1 / 570AM

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In my mind I know we're going to lose, but can't help but think the team comes out with a vengeance to make up for the Duke beat down.
 
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=319939][quote="Section9" post=319919][quote="Marillac" post=319917][quote="Section9" post=319916][quote="Enright" post=319761]In the first game Howard had a terrible shooting night but SJU also showed what an inferior defensive player he is. Ponds has to take him one on one and if Howard moves over tocover Simon, Simon has to produce down low.
If that don't work Mullin should consider playing Clark and Kieta at the same time forcing Howard to cover Ponds or LJ who will both eat him up or force Marq into a zone which they don't like to do.[/quote]

They're going to have Anim on Shamorie. Only way Howard gets him if they're caught in a switch.
Same time Justin's on Howard and Shamorie primarily gets him in a switch.
Difference is Shamorie's a better defender than Howard.[/quote]

That leaves Howard to cover Simon, Heron, or Figueroa. That is post-up city and a huge reason why we are such a tough matchup for them.

I don't understand why they don't zone us for 40 minutes. It makes no sense to play us man, especially at home.[/quote]

Probably Howard on Simon and the Hausers on LJ and Heron. If Justin posts Howard and makes quick moves he could get to the hoop or create open looks when they collapse on him. It's a big if tho.[/quote]

Serious question, not joking.
Why would anyone collapse on simon?
Let him take the untested layup, his layups are 50-50 anyway.
He'd have to show that he could make them before collapsing on him.[/quote]

Serious answer. There's a difference when Simon throws up wild acrobatic layup attempts when he is being challenged by a bigger defender(s) and when he spins in while being guarded by a 5'10" guard in the lane.
 
Usually I don't say this, but I feel good about this game.

Yes, most likely we'll lose, but IMO our odds on winning will be about 45% rather than 5% like it was for Duke. Expect this to go down to the final minutes.
 
Actually, I think we’ll win tomorrow.
It fits our MO of being inconsistent, but dangerous and unpredictable when up against the wall.
This game launches the 2nd half of the BE season and winning it would make a loud statement that we’re showing up for it and a bit miffed about blowing other conference games we should’ve won.
We shall see, but I think and hope we pull out a ‘W’.
 
[quote="Knight" post=320013]Going to be a battle, Marquette looking for revenge.[/quote]

I'm hoping we play desperate, if they want in the ncaa tourny they will
 
[quote="Section9" post=320044][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=319939][quote="Section9" post=319919][quote="Marillac" post=319917][quote="Section9" post=319916][quote="Enright" post=319761]In the first game Howard had a terrible shooting night but SJU also showed what an inferior defensive player he is. Ponds has to take him one on one and if Howard moves over tocover Simon, Simon has to produce down low.
If that don't work Mullin should consider playing Clark and Kieta at the same time forcing Howard to cover Ponds or LJ who will both eat him up or force Marq into a zone which they don't like to do.[/quote]

They're going to have Anim on Shamorie. Only way Howard gets him if they're caught in a switch.
Same time Justin's on Howard and Shamorie primarily gets him in a switch.
Difference is Shamorie's a better defender than Howard.[/quote]

That leaves Howard to cover Simon, Heron, or Figueroa. That is post-up city and a huge reason why we are such a tough matchup for them.

I don't understand why they don't zone us for 40 minutes. It makes no sense to play us man, especially at home.[/quote]

Probably Howard on Simon and the Hausers on LJ and Heron. If Justin posts Howard and makes quick moves he could get to the hoop or create open looks when they collapse on him. It's a big if tho.[/quote]

Serious question, not joking.
Why would anyone collapse on simon?
Let him take the untested layup, his layups are 50-50 anyway.
He'd have to show that he could make them before collapsing on him.[/quote]

Serious answer. There's a difference when Simon throws up wild acrobatic layup attempts when he is being challenged by a bigger defender(s) and when he spins in while being guarded by a 5'10" guard in the lane.[/quote]

The difference is dribbling. Simon can't handle in the halfcourt. He goes 100 mph to a predetermined spot and either puts up a wild shot or pulls a pass out of his arse at the last second.

When he is the paint and doesn't have to dribble he usually gets off a good shot and his quickness and length are tough to handle.
 
[quote="Section9" post=320044][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=319939][quote="Section9" post=319919][quote="Marillac" post=319917][quote="Section9" post=319916][quote="Enright" post=319761]In the first game Howard had a terrible shooting night but SJU also showed what an inferior defensive player he is. Ponds has to take him one on one and if Howard moves over tocover Simon, Simon has to produce down low.
If that don't work Mullin should consider playing Clark and Kieta at the same time forcing Howard to cover Ponds or LJ who will both eat him up or force Marq into a zone which they don't like to do.[/quote]

They're going to have Anim on Shamorie. Only way Howard gets him if they're caught in a switch.
Same time Justin's on Howard and Shamorie primarily gets him in a switch.
Difference is Shamorie's a better defender than Howard.[/quote]

That leaves Howard to cover Simon, Heron, or Figueroa. That is post-up city and a huge reason why we are such a tough matchup for them.

I don't understand why they don't zone us for 40 minutes. It makes no sense to play us man, especially at home.[/quote]

Probably Howard on Simon and the Hausers on LJ and Heron. If Justin posts Howard and makes quick moves he could get to the hoop or create open looks when they collapse on him. It's a big if tho.[/quote]

Serious question, not joking.
Why would anyone collapse on simon?
Let him take the untested layup, his layups are 50-50 anyway.
He'd have to show that he could make them before collapsing on him.[/quote]

Serious answer. There's a difference when Simon throws up wild acrobatic layup attempts when he is being challenged by a bigger defender(s) and when he spins in while being guarded by a 5'10" guard in the lane.[/quote]

But why even take those retarded layup shots? He'll miss those 90% of the time, then it's a wasted possession, then the other team comes down with 3ball and there's a 5pnt swing.
Rather him just stop, take it to the 3pnt line and set the offense. They'd have a better chance at scoring.

Mullin needs to tell to stop that crap or you'll see the bench for the next 10minutes of game time, each one after adds 2minutes to the bench.
 
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=320060][quote="Section9" post=320044][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=319939][quote="Section9" post=319919][quote="Marillac" post=319917][quote="Section9" post=319916][quote="Enright" post=319761]In the first game Howard had a terrible shooting night but SJU also showed what an inferior defensive player he is. Ponds has to take him one on one and if Howard moves over tocover Simon, Simon has to produce down low.
If that don't work Mullin should consider playing Clark and Kieta at the same time forcing Howard to cover Ponds or LJ who will both eat him up or force Marq into a zone which they don't like to do.[/quote]

They're going to have Anim on Shamorie. Only way Howard gets him if they're caught in a switch.
Same time Justin's on Howard and Shamorie primarily gets him in a switch.
Difference is Shamorie's a better defender than Howard.[/quote]

That leaves Howard to cover Simon, Heron, or Figueroa. That is post-up city and a huge reason why we are such a tough matchup for them.

I don't understand why they don't zone us for 40 minutes. It makes no sense to play us man, especially at home.[/quote]

Probably Howard on Simon and the Hausers on LJ and Heron. If Justin posts Howard and makes quick moves he could get to the hoop or create open looks when they collapse on him. It's a big if tho.[/quote]

Serious question, not joking.
Why would anyone collapse on simon?
Let him take the untested layup, his layups are 50-50 anyway.
He'd have to show that he could make them before collapsing on him.[/quote]

Serious answer. There's a difference when Simon throws up wild acrobatic layup attempts when he is being challenged by a bigger defender(s) and when he spins in while being guarded by a 5'10" guard in the lane.[/quote]

But why even take those retarded layup shots? He'll miss those 90% of the time, then it's a wasted possession, then the other team comes down with 3ball and there's a 5pnt swing.
Rather him just stop, take it to the 3pnt line and set the offense. They'd have a better chance at scoring.

Mullin needs to tell to stop that crap or you'll see the bench for the next 10minutes of game time, each one after adds 2minutes to the bench.[/quote]

You asked why anybody would double Simon in the lane and I gave you my answer. Look, I get you don't like Simon, but good luck with Keita, Trimble or Williams replacing him.
 
Something to think about, our MOV:

L:
-2 Seton Hall
-5 Villanova
-8 DePaul
-9 Butler
-11 Georgetown
Total: -35 in 5 games

W:
+20 Marquete
+3 Georgetown
+15 Creighton
+16 Creighton
Total: +54 in 4 games

Overall we are +19 in conference, which makes me think we'll finish the second half strong.
 
[quote="Section9" post=320061][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=320060][quote="Section9" post=320044][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=319939][quote="Section9" post=319919][quote="Marillac" post=319917][quote="Section9" post=319916][quote="Enright" post=319761]In the first game Howard had a terrible shooting night but SJU also showed what an inferior defensive player he is. Ponds has to take him one on one and if Howard moves over tocover Simon, Simon has to produce down low.
If that don't work Mullin should consider playing Clark and Kieta at the same time forcing Howard to cover Ponds or LJ who will both eat him up or force Marq into a zone which they don't like to do.[/quote]

They're going to have Anim on Shamorie. Only way Howard gets him if they're caught in a switch.
Same time Justin's on Howard and Shamorie primarily gets him in a switch.
Difference is Shamorie's a better defender than Howard.[/quote]

That leaves Howard to cover Simon, Heron, or Figueroa. That is post-up city and a huge reason why we are such a tough matchup for them.

I don't understand why they don't zone us for 40 minutes. It makes no sense to play us man, especially at home.[/quote]

Probably Howard on Simon and the Hausers on LJ and Heron. If Justin posts Howard and makes quick moves he could get to the hoop or create open looks when they collapse on him. It's a big if tho.[/quote]

Serious question, not joking.
Why would anyone collapse on simon?
Let him take the untested layup, his layups are 50-50 anyway.
He'd have to show that he could make them before collapsing on him.[/quote]

Serious answer. There's a difference when Simon throws up wild acrobatic layup attempts when he is being challenged by a bigger defender(s) and when he spins in while being guarded by a 5'10" guard in the lane.[/quote]

But why even take those retarded layup shots? He'll miss those 90% of the time, then it's a wasted possession, then the other team comes down with 3ball and there's a 5pnt swing.
Rather him just stop, take it to the 3pnt line and set the offense. They'd have a better chance at scoring.

Mullin needs to tell to stop that crap or you'll see the bench for the next 10minutes of game time, each one after adds 2minutes to the bench.[/quote]

You asked why anybody would double Simon in the lane and I gave you my answer. Look, I get you don't like Simon, but good luck with Keita, Trimble or Williams replacing him.[/quote]

Trimble isn't a high major bball player, jury is still out on Keita, just getting his legs back, not gonna say wait till next year to see what he has, but I want to see what he gives us in March.
Greg Williams - I'm pretty confident that by his junior year that he'll be better then Simon, atleast won't be missing 2ft shots., and layups.
 
[quote="Adam" post=320062]Something to think about, our MOV:

L:
-2 Seton Hall
-5 Villanova
-8 DePaul
-9 Butler
-11 Georgetown
Total: -35 in 5 games

W:
+20 Marquete
+3 Georgetown
+15 Creighton
+16 Creighton
Total: +54 in 4 games

Overall we are +19 in conference, which makes me think we'll finish the second half strong.[/quote]

If this were baseball, I'd say yes. Over 162 games, a teams' record, more often then not, eventually plays to it's run differential.

Over an 18 game conference season, it could go either way, but it definitely shows that we have the ability to be a dangerous team.
 
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I was at the Duke game, and it appeared near the end that Trimble may have hurt his wrist, hand or finger. I could be wrong, but it looked like he left the bench with the trainer. Anyone have any idea what I’m talking about and/or have any update?! I think we definitely need him for tomorrow and the late season stretch.
 
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=320063][quote="Section9" post=320061][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=320060][quote="Section9" post=320044][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=319939][quote="Section9" post=319919][quote="Marillac" post=319917][quote="Section9" post=319916][quote="Enright" post=319761]In the first game Howard had a terrible shooting night but SJU also showed what an inferior defensive player he is. Ponds has to take him one on one and if Howard moves over tocover Simon, Simon has to produce down low.
If that don't work Mullin should consider playing Clark and Kieta at the same time forcing Howard to cover Ponds or LJ who will both eat him up or force Marq into a zone which they don't like to do.[/quote]

They're going to have Anim on Shamorie. Only way Howard gets him if they're caught in a switch.
Same time Justin's on Howard and Shamorie primarily gets him in a switch.
Difference is Shamorie's a better defender than Howard.[/quote]

That leaves Howard to cover Simon, Heron, or Figueroa. That is post-up city and a huge reason why we are such a tough matchup for them.

I don't understand why they don't zone us for 40 minutes. It makes no sense to play us man, especially at home.[/quote]

Probably Howard on Simon and the Hausers on LJ and Heron. If Justin posts Howard and makes quick moves he could get to the hoop or create open looks when they collapse on him. It's a big if tho.[/quote]

Serious question, not joking.
Why would anyone collapse on simon?
Let him take the untested layup, his layups are 50-50 anyway.
He'd have to show that he could make them before collapsing on him.[/quote]

Serious answer. There's a difference when Simon throws up wild acrobatic layup attempts when he is being challenged by a bigger defender(s) and when he spins in while being guarded by a 5'10" guard in the lane.[/quote]

But why even take those retarded layup shots? He'll miss those 90% of the time, then it's a wasted possession, then the other team comes down with 3ball and there's a 5pnt swing.
Rather him just stop, take it to the 3pnt line and set the offense. They'd have a better chance at scoring.

Mullin needs to tell to stop that crap or you'll see the bench for the next 10minutes of game time, each one after adds 2minutes to the bench.[/quote]

You asked why anybody would double Simon in the lane and I gave you my answer. Look, I get you don't like Simon, but good luck with Keita, Trimble or Williams replacing him.[/quote]

Trimble isn't a high major bball player, jury is still out on Keita, just getting his legs back, not gonna say wait till next year to see what he has, but I want to see what he gives us in March.
Greg Williams - I'm pretty confident that by his junior year that he'll be better then Simon, atleast won't be missing 2ft shots., and layups.[/quote]

You're like a one trick pony with a broken leg.
 
[quote="Adam" post=320062]Something to think about, our MOV:

L:
-2 Seton Hall
-5 Villanova
-8 DePaul
-9 Butler
-11 Georgetown
Total: -35 in 5 games

W:
+20 Marquete
+3 Georgetown
+15 Creighton
+16 Creighton
Total: +54 in 4 games

Overall we are +19 in conference, which makes me think we'll finish the second half strong.[/quote]

Agree Adam. It’s risky to expect consistency with this team, but I’m leaning that way also.
They have the talent to beat anybody in the Conference and are 4-5, with 9 to go.
I say ‘pride’, grit and being a bit pissed off kick in these next 9 games and we go either 7-2 or 6-3.
Here’s hoping.
 
Is there a given point margin that a home team get?
 
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Has the team been on the road since heading to Omaha or were they back in NY at any point?

If so, that's a really long stretch in planes/ hotels for such a critical game.
 
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