Losing by close margins or losing by huge margins is ultimately the same . Just as close Wins count the same as blow out Wins . Some have commented that Mullin’s Teams didn’t put out the best effort in his tenure . Was that Year 1 with far less talent than currently or year 2 , 3 or 4 ? If one believes that , it’s a indictment of the Players on the Court . Which I don’t believe . It would mean Clark, Simon, Ponds, Trimble , Owens, Ali, Mussini,Herron, Figgy, etc didn’t put out to the extent of their ability . I think we had some great Victories under Chris . Duke and Nova come to mind . Several wins over Marquette , etc . Certainly the Team’s record in his 4 years was not what we hoped for but , after Year 1 , the record was not horrendous . Laying the blame on a Coach for effort is misplaced . During his tenure , we were basically outmanned by BE opponents . Mullin , like Lavin before him , found it difficult to recruit prime recruits in our Metro Area . Ponds being the exception . It resulted in the limited BE success during those 4 years ..
(PRE-GAME) @#16 / #14 Seton Hall, Sun. Feb. 23, 2pm, CBS / 570 WMCA
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[quote="Knight" post=378210]With all due respect, losses aren't supposed to be easily absorbed. Learn, work, learn, work. Recruit, recruit, recruit.
It's better to have loved and lost, then to never have loved at all.
That being said, I'm as anxious as any Johnnies fan to dance regularly.[/quote]
I would assume any die hard fan on this board takes losses hard. That's just the nature of being a fan. Doesn't mean I'd like to see blowouts as opposed to close losses. That would just make me not want to bother watching. Personally, even though we're losing, I still anticipate every game. It's exciting basketball
It's better to have loved and lost, then to never have loved at all.
That being said, I'm as anxious as any Johnnies fan to dance regularly.[/quote]
I would assume any die hard fan on this board takes losses hard. That's just the nature of being a fan. Doesn't mean I'd like to see blowouts as opposed to close losses. That would just make me not want to bother watching. Personally, even though we're losing, I still anticipate every game. It's exciting basketball
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=378205][quote="Room112" post=378197][quote="T & J" post=378191][quote="Room112" post=378188][quote="T & J" post=378179][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=378174]One thing you can say about this years team is that we rarely got blown out. One big problem is we loose the close games and let the lead slide away.[/quote]
Give me the blowout everyday of the week. Four games we blew late, and so we're 3-10. If we held on to those games, we are right in the middle of things in the b.e. at 7-6, then you just wonder what could have been.
9-9, some even said 8-10, and we're, we'd just need 1 or 2 more wins and we're in.
Instead now the nit is out of the question. Wish we could fast forward to next year.[/quote]
Just to confirm. You'd prefer the team to be blown out every game that ends up in a loss, as opposed to a competitive game? I believe we saw that during the Mullin years and it was a total lack of effort. Yea let's never see that again.[/quote]
What I'm saying is, when you get blown .out that it's easy to forget, when you have the lead late in the game and blow those games, those games tend to stick with you, just knowing that if you won those 4 that you're still in the thick of thing and the season isn't over. Those cause sleepless night, blow outs you just say screw this and watch something else.
That's what I'm saying.[/quote]
So you're saying you personally as a fan can't emotionally handle close losses. Got it.[/quote] I cant anymore. Old age
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I can't say old age, I'm in my early 40s. Maybe say "as time goes bye" each year I realize my patience is becoming less and less. I said to myself before the season that they won't be to good and don't get mad, but that never works. I won't say close losses bother me, I'd say that we choked away the lead in games that we should have won is what bothers we.
But yeah my patience is gone.
Give me the blowout everyday of the week. Four games we blew late, and so we're 3-10. If we held on to those games, we are right in the middle of things in the b.e. at 7-6, then you just wonder what could have been.
9-9, some even said 8-10, and we're, we'd just need 1 or 2 more wins and we're in.
Instead now the nit is out of the question. Wish we could fast forward to next year.[/quote]
Just to confirm. You'd prefer the team to be blown out every game that ends up in a loss, as opposed to a competitive game? I believe we saw that during the Mullin years and it was a total lack of effort. Yea let's never see that again.[/quote]
What I'm saying is, when you get blown .out that it's easy to forget, when you have the lead late in the game and blow those games, those games tend to stick with you, just knowing that if you won those 4 that you're still in the thick of thing and the season isn't over. Those cause sleepless night, blow outs you just say screw this and watch something else.
That's what I'm saying.[/quote]
So you're saying you personally as a fan can't emotionally handle close losses. Got it.[/quote] I cant anymore. Old age
[/quote]I can't say old age, I'm in my early 40s. Maybe say "as time goes bye" each year I realize my patience is becoming less and less. I said to myself before the season that they won't be to good and don't get mad, but that never works. I won't say close losses bother me, I'd say that we choked away the lead in games that we should have won is what bothers we.
But yeah my patience is gone.
[quote="Room112" post=378230][quote="Knight" post=378210]With all due respect, losses aren't supposed to be easily absorbed. Learn, work, learn, work. Recruit, recruit, recruit.
It's better to have loved and lost, then to never have loved at all.
That being said, I'm as anxious as any Johnnies fan to dance regularly.[/quote]
I would assume any die hard fan on this board takes losses hard. That's just the nature of being a fan. Doesn't mean I'd like to see blowouts as opposed to close losses. That would just make me not want to bother watching. Personally, even though we're losing, I still anticipate every game. It's exciting basketball[/quote]
Every game I watch and we're up 7-14pnts, I'm saying to myself yeah this is just a tease, the meltdown is coming, and it does. That's why I'm like why even watch, it'll be the same thing, then I'll be all pissed all day and night. Not letting SJU ruin my day the rest of this season.
It's better to have loved and lost, then to never have loved at all.
That being said, I'm as anxious as any Johnnies fan to dance regularly.[/quote]
I would assume any die hard fan on this board takes losses hard. That's just the nature of being a fan. Doesn't mean I'd like to see blowouts as opposed to close losses. That would just make me not want to bother watching. Personally, even though we're losing, I still anticipate every game. It's exciting basketball[/quote]
Every game I watch and we're up 7-14pnts, I'm saying to myself yeah this is just a tease, the meltdown is coming, and it does. That's why I'm like why even watch, it'll be the same thing, then I'll be all pissed all day and night. Not letting SJU ruin my day the rest of this season.
[quote="Paultzman" post=378254]SJU a 10.5-point underdog at Seton Hall[/quote]
Yikes! But quite honestly, surprised it’s not higher. On the other hand, this will then be a huge upset tomorrow.
Yikes! But quite honestly, surprised it’s not higher. On the other hand, this will then be a huge upset tomorrow.
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=378214]Losing by close margins or losing by huge margins is ultimately the same . Just as close Wins count the same as blow out Wins . Some have commented that Mullin’s Teams didn’t put out the best effort in his tenure . Was that Year 1 with far less talent than currently or year 2 , 3 or 4 ? If one believes that , it’s a indictment of the Players on the Court . Which I don’t believe . It would mean Clark, Simon, Ponds, Trimble , Owens, Ali, Mussini,Herron, Figgy, etc didn’t put out to the extent of their ability . I think we had some great Victories under Chris . Duke and Nova come to mind . Several wins over Marquette , etc . Certainly the Team’s record in his 4 years was not what we hoped for but , after Year 1 , the record was not horrendous . Laying the blame on a Coach for effort is misplaced . During his tenure , we were basically outmanned by BE opponents . Mullin , like Lavin before him , found it difficult to recruit prime recruits in our Metro Area . Ponds being the exception . It resulted in the limited BE success during those 4 years ..[/quote]
With all due respect Mullin is long gone , Anderson is our coach and this thread is about the Seton Hall game tomorrow afternoon. Please stay on topic.
If you want to once again discuss Mullins successes and failures please be so kind as to start a new thread ( probably the 100th ) to discuss this topic. Thank you.
With all due respect Mullin is long gone , Anderson is our coach and this thread is about the Seton Hall game tomorrow afternoon. Please stay on topic.
If you want to once again discuss Mullins successes and failures please be so kind as to start a new thread ( probably the 100th ) to discuss this topic. Thank you.
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=378214]Losing by close margins or losing by huge margins is ultimately the same . Just as close Wins count the same as blow out Wins . Some have commented that Mullin’s Teams didn’t put out the best effort in his tenure . Was that Year 1 with far less talent than currently or year 2 , 3 or 4 ? If one believes that , it’s a indictment of the Players on the Court . Which I don’t believe . It would mean Clark, Simon, Ponds, Trimble , Owens, Ali, Mussini,Herron, Figgy, etc didn’t put out to the extent of their ability . I think we had some great Victories under Chris . Duke and Nova come to mind . Several wins over Marquette , etc . Certainly the Team’s record in his 4 years was not what we hoped for but , after Year 1 , the record was not horrendous . Laying the blame on a Coach for effort is misplaced . During his tenure , we were basically outmanned by BE opponents . Mullin , like Lavin before him , found it difficult to recruit prime recruits in our Metro Area . Ponds being the exception . It resulted in the limited BE success during those 4 years ..[/quote]
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Spocky Ramone
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I saw enough “down 15 with 7 to go in the half, down 20+ early in the second half, cut into the lead and lose by 10-12 to make it appear ‘respectable’” games, which were the hallmark of the “give them credit” years. I want to see competitive basketball, at least you can sell a recruit as being “the guy who puts us over the top”.
And, for the record, I am sick of moral victories.
And, for the record, I am sick of moral victories.
[quote="Paultzman" post=378254]SJU a 10.5-point underdog at Seton Hall[/quote]
I root for SH when they aren’t playing SJ. IMO, this game will be close...may end up near the spread but think it will be close.
IMO, keys for SJ are:
1) Make Powell work hard on offense - Rutherford/Dunn/Williams more than capable
2) Make Powell work hard on defense - would like to see a combination that forces him to guard Dunn (e.g. Roberts, Champ, Earlington, LJ and Dunn). Don’t think he can keep Dunn in front of him.
3) Don’t avoid contact w/Gill on drives. . ..let’s get him in fouls trouble if possible. He was the difference in the 1st game.
4) Make foul shots
5) Put electric fence at 3 point line to keep LJ in control. Frankly, would prefer to see him receiving ball at foul line (his floater was more reliable coming down middle of key) and in any case, have him inside 15’.
I root for SH when they aren’t playing SJ. IMO, this game will be close...may end up near the spread but think it will be close.
IMO, keys for SJ are:
1) Make Powell work hard on offense - Rutherford/Dunn/Williams more than capable
2) Make Powell work hard on defense - would like to see a combination that forces him to guard Dunn (e.g. Roberts, Champ, Earlington, LJ and Dunn). Don’t think he can keep Dunn in front of him.
3) Don’t avoid contact w/Gill on drives. . ..let’s get him in fouls trouble if possible. He was the difference in the 1st game.
4) Make foul shots
5) Put electric fence at 3 point line to keep LJ in control. Frankly, would prefer to see him receiving ball at foul line (his floater was more reliable coming down middle of key) and in any case, have him inside 15’.
Mullins Revenge
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The duke is going to have to get 25 plus today if we are going to win this game.
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