(PRE-GAME) @#16 / #14 Seton Hall, Sun. Feb. 23, 2pm, CBS / 570 WMCA

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[quote="Jack Williams" post=377803]Did we take the air out of the ball last night? Or did we just go completely cold down the stretch? Blame Mike A if you want, but if LJ just hits one of the open looks he has in the final minutes, Champ makes one of the 3 consecutive putbacks he got around the rim. Earlington makes the wide open shot from the corner that he had just hit a couple minutes prior, Dunn makes an 8 footer from the baseline, or Dunn hit the pull up wide open 3 in transition late, St. John’s probably wins the game.

I didn’t see a fault last night tactically. I saw guys miss shots when it was time to put the game away. It happens[/quote]

That's exactly what I saw. I thought the offensive execution was about as good as it gets except for actually hitting makeable shots. I doubt the coaches are teaching missing easy shots to anyone.
 
Excellent point fans blaming coach
Earlington n Dunn missed front end of one n ones.

So many missed layups and then all the missed jumpers.
 
I dont get how anyone is upset w/ coach anderson. This st johns team stinks.

Listen, I love the duke of earlington but when he is basically your best player, your team stinks.

Mike anderson has turned chicken sh!t into chicken soup. We are in pretty mich every game we play.

We have no business being in any of these games and we are in almost all of them. This could be one of the best coaching jobs in the country this year.
 
I think SJUFAN2 described SJU season perfectly. He posted coach cost SJU two games by taking the air out of the ball too early and two sentences later posted SJU doesn't have the the horses to play aggressively down the stretch.
What strategy can you deploy when no body on the floor can make a shot when it really counts?
 
[quote="Enright" post=377872]I think SJUFAN2 described SJU season perfectly. He posted coach cost SJU two games by taking the air out of the ball too early and two sentences later posted SJU doesn't have the the horses to play aggressively down the stretch.
What strategy can you deploy when no body on the floor can make a shot when it really counts?[/quote]

Couldn't agree more. Coach is putting his team in a position to win and they have been in position to win most of the year. They just don't have the horses to cross the finish line. I expect this to change in the upcoming years. We have been competitive almost every game which is way more than I expected this year. It is disappointing to keep losing these close ones but I was not even expecting to be in close games so I am still optimistic about our future. We will be competitive for the tournament every year if we can just keep some consistency with our coaching staff. This constant change in coaches has kept us as doormats of the BE for along time.
 
We make 2 foul shots and we win last night. That’s the margin of error. Razor thin. But for some reason we end up not making the play to win the game. Every damn time
 
[quote="Not an alum" post=377881]We make 2 foul shots and we win last night. That’s the margin of error. Razor thin. But for some reason we end up not making the play to win the game. Every damn time[/quote]

We make one of the 8 shots we missed to start the game..................
 
[quote="Not an alum" post=377881]We make 2 foul shots and we win last night. That’s the margin of error. Razor thin. But for some reason we end up not making the play to win the game. Every damn time[/quote]

Because, when you don't make the plays often enough, you get good at it.

Like I said, even if Dunn made both last night, I still would have thought that Xavier would make the 3 pointer to tie it. That's how "confident" I was, that we were going to lose.

+18 in turnovers at home, and we lost. And, we shot better from the line, and 3 point range (margianlly on both, but still better then Xavier). That should never happen.

2 pointers were the difference. Xavier: 25/41 St. John's: 21/57. We're not forcing teams to take tough 2's, and that's hurt.
 
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SJU's defense vs the two point attempts is not as efficient as you would like because they use a pressure defense that quite often allows good looks if the opposition beats the press. It is impossible to double team players in the backcourt trying to force turnovers and not give up some clean looks if the press gets beat.
SJU forced forty six turnovers the last two games and without them this offensive challenged team would struggle to force fifty. They will just have to put up with giving up some clean looks every game
 
[quote="Enright" post=377894]SJU's defense vs the two point attempts is not as efficient as you would like because they use a pressure defense that quite often allows good looks if the opposition beats the press. It is impossible to double team players in the backcourt trying to force turnovers and not give up some clean looks if the press gets beat.
SJU forced forty six turnovers the last two games and without them this offensive challenged team would struggle to force fifty. They will just have to put up with giving up some clean looks every game[/quote]

Which is why we could use a Chirs Obekpa-type big (aka a shot blocker) if we want to take the next step. Unfortunately, Earlington isn't that (great as he's been),and Anderson seems turned off by the three players most likely to do that on this team (Roberts, Steere, and Sears). I'm sure Anderson has his reasons for that (it's obvious that Steere wasn't buying in), but I hope he doesn't turn himself off to big, beefy players entirely.
 
[quote="Moose" post=377884][quote="Not an alum" post=377881]We make 2 foul shots and we win last night. That’s the margin of error. Razor thin. But for some reason we end up not making the play to win the game. Every damn time[/quote]

We make one of the 8 shots we missed to start the game..................[/quote]


How bout Roberts not missing another dunk? Kid has no offensive game, that's why he's on the bench
 
SH 82 SJU 79 was a good effort last time.

I'll be satisfied if the Johnnies do that well again. Keep the score close, and play a competitive game until the end.

That puts the Johnnies in a position to possibly win. LJ or Dunn's last second shot will go in the basket eventually. It didn't against Xavier. But who knows, maybe it will Sun against Seton Hall.

The Johnnies will have to recruit to improve the team. I just can't see how Anderson can get any more from this team. He's giving them the opportunity but the players have to make the shots.
 
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[quote="James Ray Lamb" post=377926]SH 82 SJU 79 was a good effort last time.

I'll be satisfied if the Johnnies do that well again. Keep the score close, and play a competitive game until the end.

That puts the Johnnies in a position to possibly win. LJ or Dunn's last second shot will go in the basket eventually. It didn't against Xavier. But who knows, maybe it will Sun against Seton Hall.

The Johnnies will have to recruit to improve.[/quote

Help me understand something, but why does lj or dunn need the last shot, those 2 are like everyone else 50/50 on making their shots. Why can't a champagne, or Earlington take the last shot?
 
Whoever is the most reliable shooter should have the ball at the end of the game.

I mentioned LJ and Dunn. But, you're correct that Earlington or Champagnie were good options too.

This team doesn't have a reliable go to guy for clutch plays. It's one reason the team is 3-10 in the BE. The Johnnies can't finish close games.
 
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[quote="James Ray Lamb" post=377938]Whoever is the most reliable shooter should have the ball at the end of the game.

I mentioned LJ and Dunn. But, your correct that Earlington or Champagnie were good options too.

This team doesn't have a reliable go to guy for clutch plays. It's one reason the team is 3-10 in the BE. The Johnnies can't finish close games.[/quote]

Dunn would dribble it off his knee, and lj.would just do a chuck and a prayer. Time to see what champagne and Earlington has.
 
[quote="Redman#13" post=377912][quote="Moose" post=377884][quote="Not an alum" post=377881]We make 2 foul shots and we win last night. That’s the margin of error. Razor thin. But for some reason we end up not making the play to win the game. Every damn time[/quote]

We make one of the 8 shots we missed to start the game..................[/quote]


How bout Roberts not missing another dunk? Kid has no offensive game, that's why he's on the bench[/quote]




Still can't remember how he scored double figures against the Hall in their first meeting, especially against the likes of Gill.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=377721]I know we shouldn't move on from Anderson just yet, but it's becoming a trend. If the other team is within 10 at the five minute mark, the "Anderson factor" kicks in.

I understand he needs to fail with his own guys before we even think about moving on, and I support that mentality, but it doesn't mean that I've liked everything I've seen from him this year. Late game offense needs to change.[/quote]

He doesn’t have a quality PG to run the late game offense and he doesn’t have a go to guy in a big spot. Next year he’ll have Cole and Posh, big difference.
 
[quote="JackofVirginia" post=377943][quote="Redman#13" post=377912][quote="Moose" post=377884][quote="Not an alum" post=377881]We make 2 foul shots and we win last night. That’s the margin of error. Razor thin. But for some reason we end up not making the play to win the game. Every damn time[/quote]

We make one of the 8 shots we missed to start the game..................[/quote]


How bout Roberts not missing another dunk? Kid has no offensive game, that's why he's on the bench[/quote]




Still can't remember how he scored double figures against the Hall in their first meeting, especially against the likes of Gill.[/quote]

putbacks, point blank open lay ups
 
I am disappointed and know we will do better next yr we were in most games this yr and had chances to win at least 3 BE games this yr in which we blew leads
Beats the beatings we took under Mullin. Give the payers credit they try hard and don’t give up
Hope they put up a good fight in the remaining games and gives us a surprise in the BE tournament
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=377810][quote="Jack Williams" post=377803]Did we take the air out of the ball last night? Or did we just go completely cold down the stretch? Blame Mike A if you want, but if LJ just hits one of the open looks he has in the final minutes, Champ makes one of the 3 consecutive putbacks he got around the rim. Earlington makes the wide open shot from the corner that he had just hit a couple minutes prior, Dunn makes an 8 footer from the baseline, or Dunn hit the pull up wide open 3 in transition late, St. John’s probably wins the game.

I didn’t see a fault last night tactically. I saw guys miss shots when it was time to put the game away. It happens[/quote]

Exactly.

Caraher, Dunn, Earlington, LJ all missed wide open 3's in the last few minutes that were good shot choices but didn't go down. It happens, especially when you aren't a good shooting team to begin with.[/quote]

Carraher? I must have missed that one
 
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