(PRE-GAME) @#16 / #14 Seton Hall, Sun. Feb. 23, 2pm, CBS / 570 WMCA

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[quote="usguard" post=377964]I am disappointed and know we will do better next yr we were in most games this yr and had chances to win at least 3 BE games this yr in which we blew leads
Beats the beatings we took under Mullin. Give the payers credit they try hard and don’t give up
Hope they put up a good fight in the remaining games and gives us a surprise in the BE tournament[/quote]

And that's the point. We had way too many games under Mullin which we showed up uninspired and unprepared and got absolutely blown out. That has not happened at all under CMA. And Mullin had way more talent.
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=377968][quote="SJUFAN2" post=377810][quote="Jack Williams" post=377803]Did we take the air out of the ball last night? Or did we just go completely cold down the stretch? Blame Mike A if you want, but if LJ just hits one of the open looks he has in the final minutes, Champ makes one of the 3 consecutive putbacks he got around the rim. Earlington makes the wide open shot from the corner that he had just hit a couple minutes prior, Dunn makes an 8 footer from the baseline, or Dunn hit the pull up wide open 3 in transition late, St. John’s probably wins the game.

I didn’t see a fault last night tactically. I saw guys miss shots when it was time to put the game away. It happens[/quote]

Exactly.

Caraher, Dunn, Earlington, LJ all missed wide open 3's in the last few minutes that were good shot choices but didn't go down. It happens, especially when you aren't a good shooting team to begin with.[/quote]

Carraher? I must have missed that one[/quote]

Yeah, thought his was a 3 but he might have been inside the line since the box score doesn't list him taking any 3's.

Still, the point was that a bunch of guys missed a bunch of wide open looks down the stretch. It wasn't just one guy.
 
Would rather have players take good shots within the flow of the offense even if they miss them, than have Dunn and/or Figueroa play hero ball and miss ridiculously well defended poor shots. End of game situations should have the ball in the hands of our best facilitators who can penetrate and dish to an open teammate for an uncontested shot. Yes, sometimes the facilitator should take the ball to the basket himself, but only if the defense provides him a decent chance of making the shot.

I would like to see us recruit 4 and 5 star players as much as the next fan, but end of game situations do not require someone to take over the game. If I wanted to see that crap I would watch the NBA which I don't. There are 5 teammates on the court and I would rather see any one of them take an uncontested shot than have someone play hero ball. See Rutherford wide open in corner when Figueroa threw up his prayer against Xavier.
 
Agree, think serveral players should look to transfer only because think they would do better with a div 2 or 3 school and we could retool with more skilled players that are suited for the BE thereby moving the program forward
Coach has some decision to make after the season
 
Agree,but his prior accomplishments doesn’t give him a pass .He is sticking with 40mins of hell so far results not good with the leads he had he could have changed to adjust and take the air out of the ball perhaps we win or maybe he knows his players and he felt he did not have the ball handlers to change
But it has given fans 40mins of hell
I am not going against him now,but next yet if it’s going the same way it’s open season on coach and staff
 
A lot has been made of the 1-13 shooting to end the X game . It’s certainly a problem but , we also saw X go on a 8-0 run to win the game . The late game defensive collapse was just as much a factor . It was a tired , small group of players down the stretch that were in the Court . Why Roberts wasn’t on the Court on the Defensive end is a legit question . He played 11 minutes and was fresh . And , he has shot blocking skills . We have worn down dramatically in the last 5 minutes of more than a few games . Late game strategy often dictates the outcome of games . Having fresh and the right players on the Court is a important Coaching responsibility . Opponent Coaches in the BE are proven winners , exception Leitao. They know how to manage a game .
 
Until Roberts can shoot better than 35% from the foul line he won't be on the floor in the last 5 minutes of a close game or one where we are in the lead.
 
[quote="AlBovino" post=377994]Would rather have players take good shots within the flow of the offense even if they miss them, than have Dunn and/or Figueroa play hero ball and miss ridiculously well defended poor shots. End of game situations should have the ball in the hands of our best facilitators who can penetrate and dish to an open teammate for an uncontested shot. Yes, sometimes the facilitator should take the ball to the basket himself, but only if the defense provides him a decent chance of making the shot.

I would like to see us recruit 4 and 5 star players as much as the next fan, but end of game situations do not require someone to take over the game. If I wanted to see that crap I would watch the NBA which I don't. There are 5 teammates on the court and I would rather see any one of them take an uncontested shot than have someone play hero ball. See Rutherford wide open in corner when Figueroa threw up his prayer against Xavier.[/quote]

I know he had a big game on Monday night, especially in the first half, but there's a reason Rutherford was wide open in the corner at the end of the game, and it wasn't because of a defensive breakdown, if you know what I mean.

We don't have anyone who can both penetrate and dish effectively, so I think you're asking for something that isn't there, right now.
 
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SJU has blown so many games in the last 5 minutes the staff has to look into the cause.Is it as SLYFOXX posts SJU players are tired or are a group of bad shooters losing some efficiency because of crunch time.
I'm leaning toward the latter because almost all big east teams while they don't press like SJU rotate less players than SJU and always seem fresh at the end of games. One of the reasons for this is the use of replay. An announcer last Sat said the last minute of games is taking six minutes clock time this year and the NCAA is concerned.
Whatever the reason something has to tried strategy wise to correct the problem. I would guess SJU shoots around 15 per cent from the floor in the last 5 minutes. Of course a couple of talented shooters next year could help solve the problem.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=378007]Until Roberts can shoot better than 35% from the foul line he won't be on the floor in the last 5 minutes of a close game or one where we are in the lead.[/quote] Agree with the comments on Roberts free throws percentage . But , many , many Coaches use the timeouts , foul shots to substitute better defensive players into the game on basically a possession by possession basis . Roberts could have been removed after any dead ball stoppage and a better foul shooter or offensive player inserted . Just having him collect splinters on the Bench doesn’t seem to me to be a good strategy in a tight game where a defensive stop on Xaviers 8-0 run might have been interrupted . Sure , when we have the ball in a close game , you might not want him to be the designated player to be fouled. But , as I said , in/out substitutions can prevent that . Just a thought .
 
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[quote="SJU61982" post=378008][quote="AlBovino" post=377994]We don't have anyone who can both penetrate and dish effectively, so I think you're asking for something that isn't there, right now.[/quote]

Great point. The jonnies are absolutely atrocious at hitting cutters and dishing off penetration. We miss multiple easy baskets every game cause our guys dont look up.
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=378006]A lot has been made of the 1-13 shooting to end the X game . It’s certainly a problem but , we also saw X go on a 8-0 run to win the game . The late game defensive collapse was just as much a factor . It was a tired , small group of players down the stretch that were in the Court . Why Roberts wasn’t on the Court on the Defensive end is a legit question . He played 11 minutes and was fresh . And , he has shot blocking skills . We have worn down dramatically in the last 5 minutes of more than a few games . Late game strategy often dictates the outcome of games . Having fresh and the right players on the Court is a important Coaching responsibility . Opponent Coaches in the BE are proven winners , exception Leitao. They know how to manage a game .[/quote]
They went on an 8-0 "run" precisely because we finished the game shooting 1-13 so it was the offense not the defense that allowed the run.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=378026][quote="SJU61982" post=378008][quote="AlBovino" post=377994]We don't have anyone who can both penetrate and dish effectively, so I think you're asking for something that isn't there, right now.[/quote]

Great point. The jonnies are absolutely atrocious at hitting cutters and dishing off penetration. We miss multiple easy baskets every game cause our guys dont look up.[/quote]

This particular group of guys really struggle passing the ball. Hopefully next year we will be better because we miss a bevy of open cutters and roll guys. Roberts is always open on the roll and we just don’t have guys that can hit him in scoring position. He’s also not a great finisher.
 
Sitting Roberts at the end of games because of his woeful foul shooting certainly seems to be sound strategy. But Coach Anderson probably realizes after the four big east collapses SJU would have been better off with Roberts on the foul line than his other players missing easy shots , forcing up terrible shots and in general basically not being able to genarate any offense in the end of games.
 
Hopefully, after tonight's tough game they will be soar and tired on Sunday.
 
[quote="Knight" post=378070]Hopefully, after tonight's tough game they will be soar and tired on Sunday.[/quote]

They have 3 days off, why would they be soar and tired?
 
[quote="T & J" post=378071][quote="Knight" post=378070]Hopefully, after tonight's tough game they will be soar and tired on Sunday.[/quote]

They have 3 days off, why would they be soar and tired?[/quote]

Hey, I'm off the next 3 days and I'll be soar and tired on Sunday.
 
[quote="Knight" post=378081][quote="T & J" post=378071][quote="Knight" post=378070]Hopefully, after tonight's tough game they will be soar and tired on Sunday.[/quote]

They have 3 days off, why would they be soar and tired?[/quote]

Hey, I'm off the next 3 days and I'll be soar and tired on Sunday.[/quote]

Planning on flying on Sunday? :)
 
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