(PRE-GAME) @#16 / #14 Seton Hall, Sun. Feb. 23, 2pm, CBS / 570 WMCA

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I know we shouldn't move on from Anderson just yet, but it's becoming a trend. If the other team is within 10 at the five minute mark, the "Anderson factor" kicks in.

I understand he needs to fail with his own guys before we even think about moving on, and I support that mentality, but it doesn't mean that I've liked everything I've seen from him this year. Late game offense needs to change.
 
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Or is it a credit to Anderson and the staff that were leading or close in all of these games considering he put together a team on the fly for this season

I think as St. John’s fans were in no position to criticize a coach w 11 20 win seasons and almost 400 wins. McDermott Steele Jordan etc aren’t outsmarting Mike Anderson and our staff. down the stretch. Sorry
 
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[quote="Not an alum" post=377778]Or is it a credit to Anderson and the staff that were leading or close in all of these games considering he put together a team on the fly for this season

I think as St. John’s fans were in no position to criticize a coach w 11 20 win seasons and almost 400 wins. McDermott Steele Jordan etc aren’t outsmarting Mike Anderson and our staff. down the stretch. Sorry[/quote] There are a lot of coaches who have good records, yet don't excel as game coaches. It just means that their strengths are in other areas.
 
The team does not have a true point guard, does not have a true big man and does not have a reliable shooter. Perhaps we should give CMA credit for getting his team to play hard and stay close in the many games where we are woefully out-maned!
 
Ok. So if we are a bubble team? Next 5 games are pretty interesting to put it mildly .
In order S.H., Nova, Creighton, Butler, and Marq. Double digit losses to S.H., Vill and Marq. S.H. and Butler close 3pts and 2pts respectively.
S.H., Vill, Butler are away games.
Creighton and Marq. at Home.
So. what would it take beyond a 5 game win streak?
 
[quote="Vinny" post=377794]Ok. So if we are a bubble team? Next 5 games are pretty interesting to put it mildly .
In order S.H., Nova, Creighton, Butler, and Marq. Double digit losses to S.H., Vill and Marq. S.H. and Butler close 3pts and 2pts respectively.
S.H., Vill, Butler are away games.
Creighton and Marq. at Home.
So. what would it take beyond a 5 game win streak?[/quote]

We are not a bubble team at all. Not even close.
 
Agree 100% I did say "if". Acknowledging some seem to feel we are. Curious as to their thoughts. Ours are ours. Want to here their thoughts.
 
[quote="Not an alum" post=377778]Or is it a credit to Anderson and the staff that were leading or close in all of these games considering he put together a team on the fly for this season

I think as St. John’s fans were in no position to criticize a coach w 11 20 win seasons and almost 400 wins. McDermott Steele Jordan etc aren’t outsmarting Mike Anderson and our staff. down the stretch. Sorry[/quote]

As fans of this program we are precisely positioned to criticize anyone or any thing associated with this program, coach included.

I'm a fan of CMA. I'm really happy that he is here. And for the first time in 30 years I don't have to worry about the work ethic of our coaching staff, or their vision for our future and their ability to deliver on that vision. But coach isn't perfect. He's cost his team at least two potential wins by taking the air out of the ball with 8+ minutes to play and double digit leads. I like that he learned from those losses and didn't repeat that mistake last night. Unfortunately he is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He doesn't have the horses to be aggressive offensively down the stretch and he doesn't have the alpha to run every possession through in crunchtime.
 
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[quote="Vinny" post=377796]Agree 100% I did say "if". Acknowledging some seem to feel we are. Curious as to their thoughts. Ours are ours. Want to here their thoughts.[/quote]

If some people feel we are a bubble team I'd like to know what they are smoking then :woohoo:
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=377798][quote="Not an alum" post=377778]Or is it a credit to Anderson and the staff that were leading or close in all of these games considering he put together a team on the fly for this season

I think as St. John’s fans were in no position to criticize a coach w 11 20 win seasons and almost 400 wins. McDermott Steele Jordan etc aren’t outsmarting Mike Anderson and our staff. down the stretch. Sorry[/quote]

As fans of this program we are precisely positioned to criticize anyone or any thing associated with this program, coach included.

I'm a fan of CMA. I'm really happy that he is here. And for the first time in 30 years I don't have to worry about the work ethic of our coaching staff, or their vision for our future and their ability to deliver on that vision. But coach isn't perfect. He's cost his team at least two potential wins by taking the air out of the ball with 8+ minutes to play and double digit leads. I like that he learned from those losses and didn't repeat that mistake last night. Unfortunately he is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He doesn't have the horses to be aggressive offensively down the stretch and he doesn't have the alpha to run every possession through in crunchtime.[/quote] I noticed late in the Providence game, even when we were "stalling", we were at least passing the ball around. Yes, we could have thrown it away, but there's a better chance of something good happening when you do that. Unfortunately, that wasen't the case last night.
 
Did we take the air out of the ball last night? Or did we just go completely cold down the stretch? Blame Mike A if you want, but if LJ just hits one of the open looks he has in the final minutes, Champ makes one of the 3 consecutive putbacks he got around the rim. Earlington makes the wide open shot from the corner that he had just hit a couple minutes prior, Dunn makes an 8 footer from the baseline, or Dunn hit the pull up wide open 3 in transition late, St. John’s probably wins the game.

I didn’t see a fault last night tactically. I saw guys miss shots when it was time to put the game away. It happens
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=377800][quote="SJUFAN2" post=377798][quote="Not an alum" post=377778]Or is it a credit to Anderson and the staff that were leading or close in all of these games considering he put together a team on the fly for this season

I think as St. John’s fans were in no position to criticize a coach w 11 20 win seasons and almost 400 wins. McDermott Steele Jordan etc aren’t outsmarting Mike Anderson and our staff. down the stretch. Sorry[/quote]

As fans of this program we are precisely positioned to criticize anyone or any thing associated with this program, coach included.

I'm a fan of CMA. I'm really happy that he is here. And for the first time in 30 years I don't have to worry about the work ethic of our coaching staff, or their vision for our future and their ability to deliver on that vision. But coach isn't perfect. He's cost his team at least two potential wins by taking the air out of the ball with 8+ minutes to play and double digit leads. I like that he learned from those losses and didn't repeat that mistake last night. Unfortunately he is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He doesn't have the horses to be aggressive offensively down the stretch and he doesn't have the alpha to run every possession through in crunchtime.[/quote] I noticed late in the Providence game, even when we were "stalling", we were at least passing the ball around. Yes, we could have thrown it away, but there's a better chance of something good happening when you do that. Unfortunately, that wasen't the case last night.[/quote]

Yeah. The two games where we blew big leads late were awful. You can't have Dunn hold the ball until there's 10 seconds left on the shot clock and then try to run your offense. He's just not that kind of player. CMA is looking for a formula for this group that will work, but I'm not sure one exists.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=377803]Did we take the air out of the ball last night? Or did we just go completely cold down the stretch? Blame Mike A if you want, but if LJ just hits one of the open looks he has in the final minutes, Champ makes one of the 3 consecutive putbacks he got around the rim. Earlington makes the wide open shot from the corner that he had just hit a couple minutes prior, Dunn makes an 8 footer from the baseline, or Dunn hit the pull up wide open 3 in transition late, St. John’s probably wins the game.

I didn’t see a fault last night tactically. I saw guys miss shots when it was time to put the game away. It happens[/quote]

Exactly.

Caraher, Dunn, Earlington, LJ all missed wide open 3's in the last few minutes that were good shot choices but didn't go down. It happens, especially when you aren't a good shooting team to begin with.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=377803]Did we take the air out of the ball last night? Or did we just go completely cold down the stretch? Blame Mike A if you want, but if LJ just hits one of the open looks he has in the final minutes, Champ makes one of the 3 consecutive putbacks he got around the rim. Earlington makes the wide open shot from the corner that he had just hit a couple minutes prior, Dunn makes an 8 footer from the baseline, or Dunn hit the pull up wide open 3 in transition late, St. John’s probably wins the game.

I didn’t see a fault last night tactically. I saw guys miss shots when it was time to put the game away. It happens[/quote]

But, why do we always seem to miss, and the other team never seems to? I mean, you'd think we'd pull out a couple of these games, simply on both teams missing down the stretch.

Something in the late game mentality has to change. It's almost like the guys are prepared to fail, or so scared of it that they end up failing anyway.
 
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[quote="SJU61982" post=377815][quote="Jack Williams" post=377803]Did we take the air out of the ball last night? Or did we just go completely cold down the stretch? Blame Mike A if you want, but if LJ just hits one of the open looks he has in the final minutes, Champ makes one of the 3 consecutive putbacks he got around the rim. Earlington makes the wide open shot from the corner that he had just hit a couple minutes prior, Dunn makes an 8 footer from the baseline, or Dunn hit the pull up wide open 3 in transition late, St. John’s probably wins the game.

I didn’t see a fault last night tactically. I saw guys miss shots when it was time to put the game away. It happens[/quote]

But, why do we always seem to miss, and the other team never seems to? I mean, you'd think we'd pull out a couple of these games, simply on both teams missing down the stretch.

Something in the late game mentality has to change. It's almost like the guys are prepared to fail, or so scared of it that they end up failing anyway.[/quote]

To me , the fact that we are even competitive in these games is more telling than anything else. We were picked towards the bottom of the Big East, and that was with the assumption that Heron and LJ would be All Big East type players. Neither is happening this year. So to me, I'm seeing a collection of players playing their heart out and a coach who is maximizing what he's got here. The effort alone is more than we've seen in years. We are clearly short on talent (which of these players would be a starter on any other BE team???) yet still right there at the end. It's been frustrating but you really gotta put things in perspective here.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=377815][quote="Jack Williams" post=377803]Did we take the air out of the ball last night? Or did we just go completely cold down the stretch? Blame Mike A if you want, but if LJ just hits one of the open looks he has in the final minutes, Champ makes one of the 3 consecutive putbacks he got around the rim. Earlington makes the wide open shot from the corner that he had just hit a couple minutes prior, Dunn makes an 8 footer from the baseline, or Dunn hit the pull up wide open 3 in transition late, St. John’s probably wins the game.

I didn’t see a fault last night tactically. I saw guys miss shots when it was time to put the game away. It happens[/quote]

But, why do we always seem to miss, and the other team never seems to? I mean, you'd think we'd pull out a couple of these games, simply on both teams missing down the stretch.

Something in the late game mentality has to change. It's almost like the guys are prepared to fail, or so scared of it that they end up failing anyway.[/quote]

Both St. John’s and Xavier missed a ton of shots in the last couple minutes and X had a handful of turnovers as well.

The only reason X won was because we missed front ends of 1 and 1s, and then they had a guy like Marshall who is good enough to suck in 3 defenders and find an open man.

We don’t have a guy like that, we just don’t. Closers matter in basketball. We don’t have one. We’ve lost close games at home and guess what... Butler had Kamar Baldwin hit tough shots late. Myles Powell beat us late. Marshall made a great pass late.

If we make our free throws or open shots though, none of this matters last night. Can’t blame Mike A for missed front ends
 
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