(POST GAME) @Xavier, Wed., Feb. 16, 6:30p, CBSSN

[lawmanfan]

I mean if they won at Creighton in addition to Butler and Xavier it would be a clean sweep of "places we never, ever win." 

I do give credit to Anderson for the mental toughness of the team.  I discounted last year's road wins a bit because of no fans, but at this point it isn't a fluke - his teams are better prepared to play on the road than any SJU teams we've seen in a while.  Not saying he's perfect or that his system is perfect or anything like that - but I can't remember the last time road games at some of these places weren't an automatic "L."

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

Lawman fan , agree it’s great we have won at places never before , Xavier , Butler , SH , G’Town or only once since the last Eclipse . But , it’s a backslide to lose so many home Games on the usually Friendly confines of CA and MSG . I’m excluding UBS since it’s new and Kansas was a top tier opponent . But it’s more than a neutral Court .   I think Kranmars raised some really good points about all teams experience the same things we do .   Our Record this year isn’t excusable any more than any other teams .  It’s been a disappointment so far . Can we redeem the season ? Sure . Win every game or close to it  and make the NCAA . Anything less this year is sub par . 

 

[paultzman]

So happy to have this guy, tough, competitive, awesome teammate and getting better every day!

https://twitter.com/poshalexander/status/1494344072617762817?s=21

 

[Knight]

I replayed parts of the game and confirmed, in my mind, 2nd foul on Posh was a bad call, and the T on Mathis (he hung on the rim for 1 second and did not do a chin-up) was also unwarranted.

 

[fordham96]

Yes they play hard and he deserves credit for that but let's not overstate his record even on the road:

1)Last time I checked home games count and he has lost a lot of them making the road wins more important and

2)He has 9 road wins in 3 years, not bad.  But only 3 of them vs Tournament or projected Tournament teams total.  His 9 road wins include: DePaul (2020), UCONN (2021-Tourney team), Providence (2021), Marquette (2021), DePaul (2021), SHU(2022-right now projected to be a NCAA team), Butler (2022), Georgetown (2022) and Xavier(2022-projected to be NCAA).  Again not bad.  3 of those road wins are against DePaul and a historically bad Georgetown team.

In Lavin's last two years he won 7 road games and 20 league games (18 game schedules).  Beat Providence twice, SHU, Marquette twice, Xavier and Butler on the road.  And that doesn't include other years including his first 2010-11 when they beat Providence, West Virginia, Marquette, Cincinnati and Villanova all on the road.  The last 4 teams all being NCAA teams.

And again I don't think what he did was something historic.

lawmanfan post=458404
I mean if they won at Creighton in addition to Butler and Xavier it would be a clean sweep of "places we never, ever win." 

I do give credit to Anderson for the mental toughness of the team.  I discounted last year's road wins a bit because of no fans, but at this point it isn't a fluke - his teams are better prepared to play on the road than any SJU teams we've seen in a while.  Not saying he's perfect or that his system is perfect or anything like that - but I can't remember the last time road games at some of these places weren't an automatic "L."


 

 

[jr49]

24/14 Assist to Turnover ratio for SJ

What’s the ratio if you exclude Wusu?

Get your point lol but he had 5 assists & 3 TOs actually

Wow, didn’t realize that.  He passes the ball well but some of his turnovers are mind blowing 

Wasu does some stuff well but does not have the handle to pull some of the stuff he does. Gotta stop driveing into a crowd and cant hitfrom the outside unless wide open. He has made progress because Mikes the coach. Guys who left did not care about getting better.

 

 

[mm52]

My observations, some of which I shared on the game thread:

1. great defense and playing within himself by Soriano.  We are seeing him develop into an effective BE post player.
2. Love how Montez is now playing within his skill set by attacking the basket, which can be ferocious.  Not looking for outside shots, which I think was asked for when Posh first went out.
3. the presence of Posh is key.  He does not seem to be 100% healthy all year, starting from the finger/hand injury at the start.  That said, even 75% of Posh is invaluable to the team.
4. Wusu is definitely struggling, unfortunately at this key stretch of the season.  CMA clearly values him (as do I).
5. we are much better when either Smith or Coburn contribute something.  Last night Coburn came up big.  Problem is you never know whose day, if either, it is going to be. 
6. CMA teams do improve as the season goes on. This hopefully bodes well for the BE tournament.
7. while we're 0-6 against the top 3 teams in the BE, we can play with PC, UConn and even Nova.
8. taking one game at a time.  Now we just have to take care of business against Butler.

 

[monte]

I mean if they won at Creighton in addition to Butler and Xavier it would be a clean sweep of "places we never, ever win." 

I do give credit to Anderson for the mental toughness of the team.  I discounted last year's road wins a bit because of no fans, but at this point it isn't a fluke - his teams are better prepared to play on the road than any SJU teams we've seen in a while.  Not saying he's perfect or that his system is perfect or anything like that - but I can't remember the last time road games at some of these places weren't an automatic "L."

Kinda blows a hole in the theory that if we had more fans at our games we'd win more. Actually, maybe the promotions and give aways should be for opposing teams' fans, to encourage more or them to come to our home games. Kind of like the villainous professional wrestler, who thrive on all the crowd hatred /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.png

 

[mm52]

And I don’t believe that 7 teams from the Big East make the tourney at all. 
 

It looks like it should be a 6 team bid conference, unless either Creighton or St. John's, currently in the 70's in the NET, can move into the 50's, but that is no guarantee for a bid, depending how automatic bids go.  For example, if Loyola Chicago does not win the MVC tournament, it will likely still get into the NCAA, thus giving the MVC two teams in when it should be only a one team bid.

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

Lawman fan , agree it’s great we have won at places never before , Xavier , Butler , SH , G’Town or only once since the last Eclipse . But , it’s a backslide to lose so many home Games on the usually Friendly confines of CA and MSG . I’m excluding UBS since it’s new and Kansas was a top tier opponent . But it’s more than a neutral Court .   I think Kranmars raised some really good points about all teams experience the same things we do .   Our Record this year isn’t excusable any more than any other teams .  It’s been a disappointment so far . Can we redeem the season ? Sure . Win every game or close to it  and make the NCAA . Anything less this year is sub par . 

All the other teams had five transfers playing substantial minutes, lost each of their top two players for several key games, had their best player lose his shooting for most of the year, and lost their top incoming recruit for most of the year to Covid related problems, all combined? Which other teams dealt with all of that?

 

[beast of the east]

I mean if they won at Creighton in addition to Butler and Xavier it would be a clean sweep of "places we never, ever win." 

I do give credit to Anderson for the mental toughness of the team.  I discounted last year's road wins a bit because of no fans, but at this point it isn't a fluke - his teams are better prepared to play on the road than any SJU teams we've seen in a while.  Not saying he's perfect or that his system is perfect or anything like that - but I can't remember the last time road games at some of these places weren't an automatic "L."

Kinda blows a hole in the theory that if we had more fans at our games we'd win more. Actually, maybe the promotions and give aways should be for opposing teams' fans, to encourage more or them to come to our home games. Kind of like the villainous professional wrestler, who thrive on all the crowd hatred /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.png

In years before last year, the home team won 68% of the time in Division 1 NCAA basketball.    Last season, with no fans, the home team won only 64% of the time, a statistically significant drop off.   Home court advantage means something, but obviously not everything.   

I'm curious what the NCAA record is for consecutive road wins.  It cannot possibly come close to consecutive home wins.  

You proved your point though.  Perhaps we'd have won the NCAA championship in 1985 is all of our fans just stayed home.

 

[monte]

I mean if they won at Creighton in addition to Butler and Xavier it would be a clean sweep of "places we never, ever win." 

I do give credit to Anderson for the mental toughness of the team.  I discounted last year's road wins a bit because of no fans, but at this point it isn't a fluke - his teams are better prepared to play on the road than any SJU teams we've seen in a while.  Not saying he's perfect or that his system is perfect or anything like that - but I can't remember the last time road games at some of these places weren't an automatic "L."

Kinda blows a hole in the theory that if we had more fans at our games we'd win more. Actually, maybe the promotions and give aways should be for opposing teams' fans, to encourage more or them to come to our home games. Kind of like the villainous professional wrestler, who thrive on all the crowd hatred /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.png

In years before last year, the home team won 68% of the time in Division 1 NCAA basketball.    Last season, with no fans, the home team won only 64% of the time, a statistically significant drop off.   Home court advantage means something, but obviously not everything.   

I'm curious what the NCAA record is for consecutive road wins.  It cannot possibly come close to consecutive home wins.  

You proved your point though.  Perhaps we'd have won the NCAA championship in 1985 is all of our fans just stayed home.

Lighten up, just  busting balls a little. 

 

[beast of the east]

I mean if they won at Creighton in addition to Butler and Xavier it would be a clean sweep of "places we never, ever win." 

I do give credit to Anderson for the mental toughness of the team.  I discounted last year's road wins a bit because of no fans, but at this point it isn't a fluke - his teams are better prepared to play on the road than any SJU teams we've seen in a while.  Not saying he's perfect or that his system is perfect or anything like that - but I can't remember the last time road games at some of these places weren't an automatic "L."

Kinda blows a hole in the theory that if we had more fans at our games we'd win more. Actually, maybe the promotions and give aways should be for opposing teams' fans, to encourage more or them to come to our home games. Kind of like the villainous professional wrestler, who thrive on all the crowd hatred /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.png

In years before last year, the home team won 68% of the time in Division 1 NCAA basketball.    Last season, with no fans, the home team won only 64% of the time, a statistically significant drop off.   Home court advantage means something, but obviously not everything.   

I'm curious what the NCAA record is for consecutive road wins.  It cannot possibly come close to consecutive home wins.  

You proved your point though.  Perhaps we'd have won the NCAA championship in 1985 is all of our fans just stayed home.

Lighten up, just  busting balls a little. 

I know. I saw the smiley face.   I should have put one back.    

 

[rehobie]

Random thoughts…
Coach shortened the rotation.  Stanley got 3 minutes,  Smith got 6.  Is that the new norm?
Soriano played well.  Good use of his minutes,  giving him a blow around scheduled timeouts.
Mathis is superb attacking the rim on turnovers.
Will the real Coburn please stand up.
Does Wusu get an assist on his air ball that Coburn turned into a basket?

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

Lawman fan , agree it’s great we have won at places never before , Xavier , Butler , SH , G’Town or only once since the last Eclipse . But , it’s a backslide to lose so many home Games on the usually Friendly confines of CA and MSG . I’m excluding UBS since it’s new and Kansas was a top tier opponent . But it’s more than a neutral Court .   I think Kranmars raised some really good points about all teams experience the same things we do .   Our Record this year isn’t excusable any more than any other teams .  It’s been a disappointment so far . Can we redeem the season ? Sure . Win every game or close to it  and make the NCAA . Anything less this year is sub par . 

All the other teams had five transfers playing substantial minutes, lost each of their top two players for several key games, had their best player lose his shooting for most of the year, and lost their top incoming recruit for most of the year to Covid related problems, all combined? Which other teams dealt with all of that?                               The points you raise are valid but , have been responded to by others , including myself , several posts before .   All teams suffer some sort of adversity .   Explaining away reasons why we aren’t in 4 th place or better with a bid pretty much in hand at this point in the season seems like excuses ,   

 

[SJU85]

we are sju post=458322

24/14 Assist to Turnover ratio for SJ

What’s the ratio if you exclude Wusu?

Get your point lol but he had 5 assists & 3 TOs actually

2 in final moments of game and other last possession of half



 

Crunch times where the bad decisions can be catastrophic.

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

Lawman fan , agree it’s great we have won at places never before , Xavier , Butler , SH , G’Town or only once since the last Eclipse . But , it’s a backslide to lose so many home Games on the usually Friendly confines of CA and MSG . I’m excluding UBS since it’s new and Kansas was a top tier opponent . But it’s more than a neutral Court .   I think Kranmars raised some really good points about all teams experience the same things we do .   Our Record this year isn’t excusable any more than any other teams .  It’s been a disappointment so far . Can we redeem the season ? Sure . Win every game or close to it  and make the NCAA . Anything less this year is sub par . 

All the other teams had five transfers playing substantial minutes, lost each of their top two players for several key games, had their best player lose his shooting for most of the year, and lost their top incoming recruit for most of the year to Covid related problems, all combined? Which other teams dealt with all of that?                               The points you raise are valid but , have been responded to by others , including myself , several posts before .   All teams suffer some sort of adversity .   Explaining away reasons why we aren’t in 4 th place or better with a bid pretty much in hand at this point in the season seems like excuses ,   

Or reasons …

 

[fordham96]

Plenty o them did, but what does this mean anyway?  And "our top recruit" is not the same as saying A top recruit.  Pinzon was not on the All BE pre-season rookie team.  

Marquette's entire backcourt and starting center are first year transfers in.  They have 9 new players and a new coach.

I get it SJU has had some injuries and stuff.  But let's not act like this team played great against some  teams when they were at full strength.  

People are acting like they were 8-1 in the League and then a series of injuries hit and they lose 5 out of 6.  

Proud Alumn post=458417

 

All the other teams had five transfers playing substantial minutes, lost each of their top two players for several key games, had their best player lose his shooting for most of the year, and lost their top incoming recruit for most of the year to Covid related problems, all combined? Which other teams dealt with all of that?

 

[SJU85]

Did not see that one coming.  I guess it makes a difference when Posh plays, Champ is Champ, and another scoring option appears.

It also helped that Xavier opted not to take advantage of the opportunities we gave them to make a game of it late.  Although I suppose some credit for that might go to the Anderson "wear them down so you're stronger than they are late" approach.

Happy to see the team have some success - hope they can keep it going Friday.

How weird is it that in an otherwise meh season we have road wins at Xavier, Butler, Seton Hall and Georgetown? 

Yup. Their new house of horrors is MSG.
 

Maybe we shouldn't play any home games there. /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.png

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

Plenty o them did, but what does this mean anyway?  And "our tope recruit" is no the same as saying A top recruit.  Pinzon was not on the All BE pre-season rookie team.  

Marquette's entire backcourt and starting center are first year transfers in.  They have 9 new players and a new coach.

I get it SJU has had some injuries and stuff.  But let's not act like this team played great against some  teams when they were at full strength.  

People are acting like they were 8-1 in the League and then a series of injuries hit and they lose 5 out of 6.  

Proud Alumn post=458417

 

All the other teams had five transfers playing substantial minutes, lost each of their top two players for several key games, had their best player lose his shooting for most of the year, and lost their top incoming recruit for most of the year to Covid related problems, all combined? Which other teams dealt with all of that?

Marquette had substantial transfers. What injuries have they had?
It doesn't matter that Pinzon wasn't named All-BE pre-season. He was expected to provide key contributions.
Point out the BE teams that had all the challenges we had. 

This doesn't mean the season isn't a disappointment so far. But people seem to want to blame bad coaching for everything they see and the big picture isn't so black and white.