(POST GAME) Xavier (MSG), Mon. Feb. 17, 6:30pm, FS-1 / 970AM
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[quote="terrificboss" post=377746]Yes no doubt ! I totally agree. Terrible shot
Also Caraher in far too long with Julian C on bench just brutal
Another horrible loss when we should have won[/quote]
Why does cma like Caraher so much, but everyone on here sees different, makes you wonder what's going on there.
Also Caraher in far too long with Julian C on bench just brutal
Another horrible loss when we should have won[/quote]
Why does cma like Caraher so much, but everyone on here sees different, makes you wonder what's going on there.
James Lynch, MBA
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Does Caraher make shots during practice? He is a constant disappointment...what happened to Roberts? Dunn missing free throws? Clutch time...can't seem to seal the deal again??? Poor Coach Anderson...could be the end to his 17 years of winning seasons...remaining schedule doesn't look like a 50/50 season...Johnnies being the team to end his claim to fame? I am so upset right now....thought, like Georgetown, we had it in the bag...and once again, I chalk up a loss on the Fridge Schedule!!! Love My Johnnies...but I am a hurting fan, imagine how the players feel.
[quote="T & J" post=377750][quote="terrificboss" post=377746]Yes no doubt ! I totally agree. Terrible shot
Also Caraher in far too long with Julian C on bench just brutal
Another horrible loss when we should have won[/quote]
Why does cma like Caraher so much, but everyone on here sees different, makes you wonder what's going on there.[/quote]
I'm sure Caraher works hard, does what he's told, shows up on time, etc. Not that the other guys don't, but he's probably really good at doing that stuff.
I'm OK with that now, because Anderson is just building the program, but yes, I think you can go too far with that. Remember Andre Stanley? Jarvis and staff loved his attitude so much (while trying to motivate other guys), they started giving him 30 minutes a game, even though it was clear that he was never a Big East talent. Anderson needs to be careful in future years, IMO.
Also Caraher in far too long with Julian C on bench just brutal
Another horrible loss when we should have won[/quote]
Why does cma like Caraher so much, but everyone on here sees different, makes you wonder what's going on there.[/quote]
I'm sure Caraher works hard, does what he's told, shows up on time, etc. Not that the other guys don't, but he's probably really good at doing that stuff.
I'm OK with that now, because Anderson is just building the program, but yes, I think you can go too far with that. Remember Andre Stanley? Jarvis and staff loved his attitude so much (while trying to motivate other guys), they started giving him 30 minutes a game, even though it was clear that he was never a Big East talent. Anderson needs to be careful in future years, IMO.
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[quote="T & J" post=377750][quote="terrificboss" post=377746]Yes no doubt ! I totally agree. Terrible shot
Also Caraher in far too long with Julian C on bench just brutal
Another horrible loss when we should have won[/quote]
Why does cma like Caraher so much, but everyone on here sees different, makes you wonder what's going on there.[/quote]
I like cabarer
I dont think they set up enough shots for him
Btw that first put in that was credited to Rutherford was really tapped in by caharer
The ball fell off the cylinder and he tapped it in but didnt get credit
Also Caraher in far too long with Julian C on bench just brutal
Another horrible loss when we should have won[/quote]
Why does cma like Caraher so much, but everyone on here sees different, makes you wonder what's going on there.[/quote]
I like cabarer
I dont think they set up enough shots for him
Btw that first put in that was credited to Rutherford was really tapped in by caharer
The ball fell off the cylinder and he tapped it in but didnt get credit
[quote="dee" post=377753][quote="T & J" post=377750][quote="terrificboss" post=377746]Yes no doubt ! I totally agree. Terrible shot
Also Caraher in far too long with Julian C on bench just brutal
Another horrible loss when we should have won[/quote]
Why does cma like Caraher so much, but everyone on here sees different, makes you wonder what's going on there.[/quote]
I like cabarer
I dont think they set up enough shots for him
Btw that first put in that was credited to Rutherford was really tapped in by caharer
The ball fell off the cylinder and he tapped it in but didnt get credit[/quote]
Ref ruled that he didn't touch it. Xavier bench was arguing for goaltending (they were probably right).
Also Caraher in far too long with Julian C on bench just brutal
Another horrible loss when we should have won[/quote]
Why does cma like Caraher so much, but everyone on here sees different, makes you wonder what's going on there.[/quote]
I like cabarer
I dont think they set up enough shots for him
Btw that first put in that was credited to Rutherford was really tapped in by caharer
The ball fell off the cylinder and he tapped it in but didnt get credit[/quote]
Ref ruled that he didn't touch it. Xavier bench was arguing for goaltending (they were probably right).
James Lynch, MBA
New member
Can we just seal the deal please??? Up 5 with less than 2 minutes, and we lose by 3??? Missed layups; missed free throws at clutch-time; I am so upset I could scream!!!
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It was truly a heart pounding game. We just seem to be a couple of players short to take control of games like this. I thought Rasheem Dunn played a great game and feel bad for him missing the front end of the 1 and 1. He gave 100%.
I wish I could say the same thing about Figueroa but shooting 12% on terrible shot selection just sealed our fate. My only criticism of CMA is leaving Caraher in the game too long. I'm sure coach likes his enthusiasm but the kid just cannot get off his feet quick enough and his missed layups hurt. Had Figueroa played with grey matter and taken better shots we would have won the game going away.
The bottom line is with the loss of Heron and the abject failure of the Steere recruitment the season will not be as hoped by most fans.
That we have won 14 games with underwhelming talent is a testament to CMA. Lady luck has not been kind to us but I'm confident our luck will change radically next season. Get one serviceable Big and we dance next season.
Of course the season is not over yet and we still have a chance to be .500. THAT would be a good season under the circumstances.
I wish I could say the same thing about Figueroa but shooting 12% on terrible shot selection just sealed our fate. My only criticism of CMA is leaving Caraher in the game too long. I'm sure coach likes his enthusiasm but the kid just cannot get off his feet quick enough and his missed layups hurt. Had Figueroa played with grey matter and taken better shots we would have won the game going away.
The bottom line is with the loss of Heron and the abject failure of the Steere recruitment the season will not be as hoped by most fans.
That we have won 14 games with underwhelming talent is a testament to CMA. Lady luck has not been kind to us but I'm confident our luck will change radically next season. Get one serviceable Big and we dance next season.
Of course the season is not over yet and we still have a chance to be .500. THAT would be a good season under the circumstances.
[quote="James Matthew Lynch" post=377751]Does Caraher make shots during practice? He is a constant disappointment...what happened to Roberts? Dunn missing free throws? Clutch time...can't seem to seal the deal again??? Poor Coach Anderson...could be the end to his 17 years of winning seasons...remaining schedule doesn't look like a 50/50 season...Johnnies being the team to end his claim to fame? I am so upset right now....thought, like Georgetown, we had it in the bag...and once again, I chalk up a loss on the Fridge Schedule!!! Love My Johnnies...but I am a hurting fan, imagine how the players feel.[/quote]
They're not worth watching anymore, watching LJ bricking shot after shot. Watching them blowing lead vs butler, SHU, Georgetown, now tonight. I simple cant do it anymore. Might watch them wednesday in the B.E. tourny, because I love tournament time. CMA streak ends this year, that's hard to grasp but it is what it is.
I'm going to better myself too on here with no more posts out of frustration.
They're not worth watching anymore, watching LJ bricking shot after shot. Watching them blowing lead vs butler, SHU, Georgetown, now tonight. I simple cant do it anymore. Might watch them wednesday in the B.E. tourny, because I love tournament time. CMA streak ends this year, that's hard to grasp but it is what it is.
I'm going to better myself too on here with no more posts out of frustration.
One thing about Dunn missing the 1-and-1. Even if he makes both, it's still a 3 point game. I was so sure that we were going to lose long before that, that even if he made both, I was certain, Xavier would hit the three to tie. Again, not in a pessimistic kind of way, more like you just know that the Patriots are going to win the AFC East every year.
Again, I know it's premature to ask for a coaching change (I'm not advocating for one), but I also don't think you can ask the fans to be patient. We fired Lavin after 41 wins in 2 years (not great, but not bad). That, to me, was a sign that the time for patience was over (I was against that move at the time, and said so on here). Mullin's name bought him a few years, but whoever the new coach was had to know that he was going to face scrutiny in year 1. I'm sure that helped turn a lot of candidates off from this job (there were other reasons too, obviously).
Also, as an aside, the "no talent" thing would carry a lot more weight if:
1. Georgetown were not doing more with less talent then even we have
and:
2. We were in close games for around 30 minutes or so, then fade, and lose by 10-15 points.
The time for taking bows for close losses is over. Just win!!!!!!
Again, I know it's premature to ask for a coaching change (I'm not advocating for one), but I also don't think you can ask the fans to be patient. We fired Lavin after 41 wins in 2 years (not great, but not bad). That, to me, was a sign that the time for patience was over (I was against that move at the time, and said so on here). Mullin's name bought him a few years, but whoever the new coach was had to know that he was going to face scrutiny in year 1. I'm sure that helped turn a lot of candidates off from this job (there were other reasons too, obviously).
Also, as an aside, the "no talent" thing would carry a lot more weight if:
1. Georgetown were not doing more with less talent then even we have
and:
2. We were in close games for around 30 minutes or so, then fade, and lose by 10-15 points.
The time for taking bows for close losses is over. Just win!!!!!!
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[quote="RJGBOOTSY" post=377758]The last 5 minutes of the game was rough to watch offensively. Combination of poor execution against the match up zone, poor fouls shooting and inability to capitalize in the paint.[/quote]
I believe it was LJ's second to last shot.... He had Williams open in the corner adjacent to our bench. One quick swing pass and Williams has an open 3 or possibly a closer shot if the defender comes at him hard and outta control. Instead, Figueroa attempts a poor, long 3 ball which he missed.
Poor decisions by a player who was likely frustrated with how he was playing, but continued to press and tried to be the hero.
I believe it was LJ's second to last shot.... He had Williams open in the corner adjacent to our bench. One quick swing pass and Williams has an open 3 or possibly a closer shot if the defender comes at him hard and outta control. Instead, Figueroa attempts a poor, long 3 ball which he missed.
Poor decisions by a player who was likely frustrated with how he was playing, but continued to press and tried to be the hero.
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Guys played hard.
Wanting to get rid of LJ is a joke. We are in no position to be showing any BE level player the door.
I would have preferred that last shot be at the rim. We were in the bonus and, unless we found a wide open shot, should have attacked the basket.
I appreciate Rasheem Dunn, but not every kid has a knack for the big moment.
I am of the Zach Braziller and John Fanta mindset, meaning I accept that this entire year is for pouring the foundation. Better players and better times will come under this staff.
Wanting to get rid of LJ is a joke. We are in no position to be showing any BE level player the door.
I would have preferred that last shot be at the rim. We were in the bonus and, unless we found a wide open shot, should have attacked the basket.
I appreciate Rasheem Dunn, but not every kid has a knack for the big moment.
I am of the Zach Braziller and John Fanta mindset, meaning I accept that this entire year is for pouring the foundation. Better players and better times will come under this staff.
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=377762]Guys played hard.
Wanting to get rid of LJ is a joke. We are in no position to be showing any BE level player the door.
I would have preferred that last shot be at the rim. We were in the bonus and, unless we found a wide open shot, should have attacked the basket.
I appreciate Rasheem Dunn, but not every kid has a knack for the big moment.
I am of the Zach Braziller and John Fanta mindset, meaning I accept that this entire year is for pouring the foundation. Better players and better times will come under this staff.[/quote]
Georgetown showed Akinjo the door, and they appear to be a better team for it. Who's to say the same would not have happened with LJ?
Now, that being said, if he's following team rules (and I'm sure he is) we should keep him, but if he's going to go pro no matter what, then most of his playing time should go to people who will be here next year.
Wanting to get rid of LJ is a joke. We are in no position to be showing any BE level player the door.
I would have preferred that last shot be at the rim. We were in the bonus and, unless we found a wide open shot, should have attacked the basket.
I appreciate Rasheem Dunn, but not every kid has a knack for the big moment.
I am of the Zach Braziller and John Fanta mindset, meaning I accept that this entire year is for pouring the foundation. Better players and better times will come under this staff.[/quote]
Georgetown showed Akinjo the door, and they appear to be a better team for it. Who's to say the same would not have happened with LJ?
Now, that being said, if he's following team rules (and I'm sure he is) we should keep him, but if he's going to go pro no matter what, then most of his playing time should go to people who will be here next year.
[quote="SJU61982" post=377760]One thing about Dunn missing the 1-and-1. Even if he makes both, it's still a 3 point game. I was so sure that we were going to lose long before that, that even if he made both, I was certain, Xavier would hit the three to tie. Again, not in a pessimistic kind of way, more like you just know that the Patriots are going to win the AFC East every year.
Again, I know it's premature to ask for a coaching change (I'm not advocating for one), but I also don't think you can ask the fans to be patient. We fired Lavin after 41 wins in 2 years (not great, but not bad). That, to me, was a sign that the time for patience was over (I was against that move at the time, and said so on here). Mullin's name bought him a few years, but whoever the new coach was had to know that he was going to face scrutiny in year 1. I'm sure that helped turn a lot of candidates off from this job (there were other reasons too, obviously).
Also, as an aside, the "no talent" thing would carry a lot more weight if:
1. Georgetown were not doing more with less talent then even we have
and:
2. We were in close games for around 30 minutes or so, then fade, and lose by 10-15 points.
The time for taking bows for close losses is over. Just win!!!!!![/quote]
Come on, man. This is also ridiculous. Do you remember how bad Mullin’s first year was? Seriously do you. It was worse than this year by a country mile. But everyone agreed that he deserved time to build the roster and program his way.
Why do you think Mike A doesn’t deserve the same?
Saying the “time for patience is over” because we fired Lavin, frankly makes zero sense.
because you cherry picked how many games Lavin won his last two years, you are leaving out a shit ton of context involving why Lavin actually got fired. He underachieved with a real real talented team his second to last year. His results on the recruiting trail were dipping and from a lot of accounts he was kind of burnt out and ready to go back to broadcasting once that group of seniors graduated.
Besides, all of this is irrelevant to the real point here: Mike A does deserve time to build the program and team his way.
Let me write something in all caps because I think it’s a point that needs to be remembered by many: WHAT HAPPENED WITH PAST ST JOHNS COACHES IS NOT MIKE A’S FAULT AND HE SHOULD NOT BE RUSHED OUT THE DOOR BECAUSE ST JOHNS FANS ARE EMOTIONAL AND TIRED OF LOSING FOR THE BETTER PART OF 20 YEARS.
I mean goddamn. We should staple the phrase “Rome wasn’t built in a day” at the top of this website. Cause it seems to me that some people wanna just keep shuffling coaches in and out every year until someone magically wins. In actuality, coaches need time to recruit and build a roster and program.
Again, I know it's premature to ask for a coaching change (I'm not advocating for one), but I also don't think you can ask the fans to be patient. We fired Lavin after 41 wins in 2 years (not great, but not bad). That, to me, was a sign that the time for patience was over (I was against that move at the time, and said so on here). Mullin's name bought him a few years, but whoever the new coach was had to know that he was going to face scrutiny in year 1. I'm sure that helped turn a lot of candidates off from this job (there were other reasons too, obviously).
Also, as an aside, the "no talent" thing would carry a lot more weight if:
1. Georgetown were not doing more with less talent then even we have
and:
2. We were in close games for around 30 minutes or so, then fade, and lose by 10-15 points.
The time for taking bows for close losses is over. Just win!!!!!![/quote]
Come on, man. This is also ridiculous. Do you remember how bad Mullin’s first year was? Seriously do you. It was worse than this year by a country mile. But everyone agreed that he deserved time to build the roster and program his way.
Why do you think Mike A doesn’t deserve the same?
Saying the “time for patience is over” because we fired Lavin, frankly makes zero sense.
because you cherry picked how many games Lavin won his last two years, you are leaving out a shit ton of context involving why Lavin actually got fired. He underachieved with a real real talented team his second to last year. His results on the recruiting trail were dipping and from a lot of accounts he was kind of burnt out and ready to go back to broadcasting once that group of seniors graduated.
Besides, all of this is irrelevant to the real point here: Mike A does deserve time to build the program and team his way.
Let me write something in all caps because I think it’s a point that needs to be remembered by many: WHAT HAPPENED WITH PAST ST JOHNS COACHES IS NOT MIKE A’S FAULT AND HE SHOULD NOT BE RUSHED OUT THE DOOR BECAUSE ST JOHNS FANS ARE EMOTIONAL AND TIRED OF LOSING FOR THE BETTER PART OF 20 YEARS.
I mean goddamn. We should staple the phrase “Rome wasn’t built in a day” at the top of this website. Cause it seems to me that some people wanna just keep shuffling coaches in and out every year until someone magically wins. In actuality, coaches need time to recruit and build a roster and program.
I was at the Garden tonight and it was certainly a very tough loss. This was our eleventh straight defeat against Xavier since last beating them by one point in February of 2015. Of those eleven losses this was the most winnable game of the bunch and the only time the final margin was under five points.
Tonight we really excelled at creating turnovers as well as not turning the ball over ourselves, but the last six minutes or so we did not hit any shots or generally have good offensive sets. Despite that, we kept turning them over but only a Rutherford breakaway dunk led to a basket as we shot 1 for 13 down the stretch. Both Earlington and Dunn missed the front end of their one and ones in the latter part of the second half and that really hurt too. Figueroa's long missed three and his long missed floater at the end of the game were both bad choices in very big spots. Sometimes he will make difficult shots anyway, but tonight that was not the case.
Xavier ended the game on an 8-0 run and made the plays when they counted most and we did not. Look at the Naji Marshall penetration and the dish to Freemantle for an easy three footer to give them the lead with ten seconds left and contrast that with the high degree of difficulty long floater that L.J. put up with the game on the line and you can really see how another winnable game slipped through our fingers due to poor endgame execution.
It should be pointed out that Nick Rutherford was absolutely terrific tonight and that Earlington was also very good. Champagnie was mostly solid too. On a side note I think Greg Williams Jr. needs to be a little more assertive offensively. He takes less shots per minute of floor time than just about anyone else on the team and it allows the defense to sag off him and guard other players which clearly hurts our team offensive flow. Williams definitely does some good things out there, but he needs to look for his shot more IMO despite his relatively low shooting percentage. I love Dunn's game and he also played well tonight, but was not that great over the last several minutes. Again his missed front end of the one and one with 26 seconds left in the game was a huge moment to look at when analyzing the dynamics of our loss.
Lastly while the wins have not been there recently the effort has generally been really good and I believe that bodes well for our future. I think anyone who is pre-judging Coach Anderson's ability to build this thing is making a mistake. I think he is on the right track and in time we will be much better than we are right now.
Tonight we really excelled at creating turnovers as well as not turning the ball over ourselves, but the last six minutes or so we did not hit any shots or generally have good offensive sets. Despite that, we kept turning them over but only a Rutherford breakaway dunk led to a basket as we shot 1 for 13 down the stretch. Both Earlington and Dunn missed the front end of their one and ones in the latter part of the second half and that really hurt too. Figueroa's long missed three and his long missed floater at the end of the game were both bad choices in very big spots. Sometimes he will make difficult shots anyway, but tonight that was not the case.
Xavier ended the game on an 8-0 run and made the plays when they counted most and we did not. Look at the Naji Marshall penetration and the dish to Freemantle for an easy three footer to give them the lead with ten seconds left and contrast that with the high degree of difficulty long floater that L.J. put up with the game on the line and you can really see how another winnable game slipped through our fingers due to poor endgame execution.
It should be pointed out that Nick Rutherford was absolutely terrific tonight and that Earlington was also very good. Champagnie was mostly solid too. On a side note I think Greg Williams Jr. needs to be a little more assertive offensively. He takes less shots per minute of floor time than just about anyone else on the team and it allows the defense to sag off him and guard other players which clearly hurts our team offensive flow. Williams definitely does some good things out there, but he needs to look for his shot more IMO despite his relatively low shooting percentage. I love Dunn's game and he also played well tonight, but was not that great over the last several minutes. Again his missed front end of the one and one with 26 seconds left in the game was a huge moment to look at when analyzing the dynamics of our loss.
Lastly while the wins have not been there recently the effort has generally been really good and I believe that bodes well for our future. I think anyone who is pre-judging Coach Anderson's ability to build this thing is making a mistake. I think he is on the right track and in time we will be much better than we are right now.
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[quote="Jack Williams" post=377765][quote="SJU61982" post=377760]One thing about Dunn missing the 1-and-1. Even if he makes both, it's still a 3 point game. I was so sure that we were going to lose long before that, that even if he made both, I was certain, Xavier would hit the three to tie. Again, not in a pessimistic kind of way, more like you just know that the Patriots are going to win the AFC East every year.
Again, I know it's premature to ask for a coaching change (I'm not advocating for one), but I also don't think you can ask the fans to be patient. We fired Lavin after 41 wins in 2 years (not great, but not bad). That, to me, was a sign that the time for patience was over (I was against that move at the time, and said so on here). Mullin's name bought him a few years, but whoever the new coach was had to know that he was going to face scrutiny in year 1. I'm sure that helped turn a lot of candidates off from this job (there were other reasons too, obviously).
Also, as an aside, the "no talent" thing would carry a lot more weight if:
1. Georgetown were not doing more with less talent then even we have
and:
2. We were in close games for around 30 minutes or so, then fade, and lose by 10-15 points.
The time for taking bows for close losses is over. Just win!!!!!![/quote]
Come on, man. This is also ridiculous. Do you remember how bad Mullin’s first year was? Seriously do you. It was worse than this year by a country mile. But everyone agreed that he deserved time to build the roster and program his way.
Why do you think Mike A doesn’t deserve the same?
Saying the “time for patience is over” because we fired Lavin, frankly makes zero sense.
because you cherry picked how many games Lavin won his last two years, you are leaving out a shit ton of context involving why Lavin actually got fired. He underachieved with a real real talented team his second to last year. His results on the recruiting trail were dipping and from a lot of accounts he was kind of burnt out and ready to go back to broadcasting once that group of seniors graduated.
Besides, all of this is irrelevant to the real point here: Mike A does deserve time to build the program and team his way.
Let me write something in all caps because I think it’s a point that needs to be remembered by many: WHAT HAPPENED WITH PAST ST JOHNS COACHES IS NOT MIKE A’S FAULT AND HE SHOULD NOT BE RUSHED OUT THE DOOR BECAUSE ST JOHNS FANS ARE EMOTIONAL AND TIRED OF LOSING FOR THE BETTER PART OF 20 YEARS.
I mean goddamn. We should staple the phrase “Rome wasn’t built in a day” at the top of this website. Cause it seems to me that some people wanna just keep shuffling coaches in and out every year until someone magically wins. In actuality, coaches need time to recruit and build a roster and program.[/quote]
Oh, you could have fired Lavin after year 4. That would have been more understandable, IMO. Then, at least, the new coach would have had what Lavin had in his first year, a nice roster to work with. Then he could have won some games, and maybe that would have led to some nice things on the recruiting trail.
But, once you kept Lavin around for those players' senior seasons, then you had to let him try to clean up the mess, IMO. Even if he couldn't fully do so, you would have had Doughty (although he didn't make the grade in year 1, which would have been frustrating) and the highly rated kid who went to LSU (I don't remember his name). Both of those guys only decommitted after Lavin was fired.
This is not a second guess. I was posting this at the time, that firing Lavin after year 5 was a recipe for disaster. After year 4? You could justify that. If year 6 went off the rails? Absolutely.
Of course, Mullin's first year was bad, as was most of his tenure, with a few exceptions. However, all I said was that Mullin's name and star power bought him patience with much of the fan base, myself included. We all should have seen the signs then, but because his name is Chris Mullin, some of us were blinded.
Anderson was never going to get that benefit of the doubt, IMO. 20 years of losing will do that, rightly or wrongly (the same goes for whoever replaces Leaito at Depaul, if he gets fired). I'm also seeing a lot of the problems Arkansas fans had with him, and I don't think it's wrong to point that out. Obviously, I hope he wins multiple national championships here, and I will continue to root for that, until he is no longer the coach here, whenever that is (hopefully, a long time from now).
Again, I know it's premature to ask for a coaching change (I'm not advocating for one), but I also don't think you can ask the fans to be patient. We fired Lavin after 41 wins in 2 years (not great, but not bad). That, to me, was a sign that the time for patience was over (I was against that move at the time, and said so on here). Mullin's name bought him a few years, but whoever the new coach was had to know that he was going to face scrutiny in year 1. I'm sure that helped turn a lot of candidates off from this job (there were other reasons too, obviously).
Also, as an aside, the "no talent" thing would carry a lot more weight if:
1. Georgetown were not doing more with less talent then even we have
and:
2. We were in close games for around 30 minutes or so, then fade, and lose by 10-15 points.
The time for taking bows for close losses is over. Just win!!!!!![/quote]
Come on, man. This is also ridiculous. Do you remember how bad Mullin’s first year was? Seriously do you. It was worse than this year by a country mile. But everyone agreed that he deserved time to build the roster and program his way.
Why do you think Mike A doesn’t deserve the same?
Saying the “time for patience is over” because we fired Lavin, frankly makes zero sense.
because you cherry picked how many games Lavin won his last two years, you are leaving out a shit ton of context involving why Lavin actually got fired. He underachieved with a real real talented team his second to last year. His results on the recruiting trail were dipping and from a lot of accounts he was kind of burnt out and ready to go back to broadcasting once that group of seniors graduated.
Besides, all of this is irrelevant to the real point here: Mike A does deserve time to build the program and team his way.
Let me write something in all caps because I think it’s a point that needs to be remembered by many: WHAT HAPPENED WITH PAST ST JOHNS COACHES IS NOT MIKE A’S FAULT AND HE SHOULD NOT BE RUSHED OUT THE DOOR BECAUSE ST JOHNS FANS ARE EMOTIONAL AND TIRED OF LOSING FOR THE BETTER PART OF 20 YEARS.
I mean goddamn. We should staple the phrase “Rome wasn’t built in a day” at the top of this website. Cause it seems to me that some people wanna just keep shuffling coaches in and out every year until someone magically wins. In actuality, coaches need time to recruit and build a roster and program.[/quote]
Oh, you could have fired Lavin after year 4. That would have been more understandable, IMO. Then, at least, the new coach would have had what Lavin had in his first year, a nice roster to work with. Then he could have won some games, and maybe that would have led to some nice things on the recruiting trail.
But, once you kept Lavin around for those players' senior seasons, then you had to let him try to clean up the mess, IMO. Even if he couldn't fully do so, you would have had Doughty (although he didn't make the grade in year 1, which would have been frustrating) and the highly rated kid who went to LSU (I don't remember his name). Both of those guys only decommitted after Lavin was fired.
This is not a second guess. I was posting this at the time, that firing Lavin after year 5 was a recipe for disaster. After year 4? You could justify that. If year 6 went off the rails? Absolutely.
Of course, Mullin's first year was bad, as was most of his tenure, with a few exceptions. However, all I said was that Mullin's name and star power bought him patience with much of the fan base, myself included. We all should have seen the signs then, but because his name is Chris Mullin, some of us were blinded.
Anderson was never going to get that benefit of the doubt, IMO. 20 years of losing will do that, rightly or wrongly (the same goes for whoever replaces Leaito at Depaul, if he gets fired). I'm also seeing a lot of the problems Arkansas fans had with him, and I don't think it's wrong to point that out. Obviously, I hope he wins multiple national championships here, and I will continue to root for that, until he is no longer the coach here, whenever that is (hopefully, a long time from now).
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L J S A
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They are right there most games. How often does a team go a whole season without figuring out how to win a close one?
I'm going to wait until season is completely over, because I don't want to look like an ass by throwing a tantrum in mid-February before seeing if they win a bunch of one-point games in BET.
I'm going to wait until season is completely over, because I don't want to look like an ass by throwing a tantrum in mid-February before seeing if they win a bunch of one-point games in BET.
[quote="L J S A" post=377768]They are right there most games. How often does a team go a whole season without figuring out how to win a close one?
I'm going to wait until season is completely over, because I don't want to look like an ass by throwing a tantrum in mid-February before seeing if they win a bunch of one-point games in BET.[/quote]
To be fair, they squeaked out those WVA and Arizona games. But yea, absolutely snake bit in Big East play. Four home games they probably should have won. If they just get two of those four the mood around here is probably a lot different.
I'm going to wait until season is completely over, because I don't want to look like an ass by throwing a tantrum in mid-February before seeing if they win a bunch of one-point games in BET.[/quote]
To be fair, they squeaked out those WVA and Arizona games. But yea, absolutely snake bit in Big East play. Four home games they probably should have won. If they just get two of those four the mood around here is probably a lot different.