(POST GAME) St. Peter’s, Wed., Nov. 25, 7p, FS2 / 970 AM WNYM

A Ugly Win but , Wins are always good . Posh was everything advertised offensively and stealing the ball . But , his D on the last possession was not good . The Peacock guard blew by him like a Lexington Avenue express . Posh is quick but , is he fast ? I thought the St Pete guards were quicker than our guys . But , Posh is the real deal as a PG ! Cole saved the Game , with other World shooting ! He looks long and lean , will need more Muscle . Other than Cole and without Champ , our outside shooting was very suspect . Earlington wasn’t on tonight . Dunn looked a little lost , without the Ball . Maybe he and Posh shouldn’t be on the Court together ? We’ ll see. Moore played well but, will he get pushed around inside when BE games start . Williams didn’t have a good game . He’s streaky and has been over his career here . Toro is a big Presence inside but , can’t miss those putbacks . Cole will be D’ed more as a result of last Nights game . He will be tightly guarded during Conference play . St Pete’s is a good team with lots of Players at all positions . A lot of their kids are local , NJ, NY . Holloway has put Together a nice team with young talent ., A few of his Players could play in the BE . They will challenge for the MAAC title .
 
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Lets not overkill this Posh thing. He is very good but not so good that the other guys should need to step aside as happened last night except for Cole who may never again be as hot. Hope to see the returnees more and Posh less today
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=403308]Cole had a nice shooting game. Reading the thread, some have compared him to Dwight Hardy, others to Avery Patterson. I fear the latter comparison is more apt. I was not impressed with his athleticism, ball handling or defense. I fear he mat be a one trick pony. Hopefully he can continue to perform his trick well against good competition. We shall see.[/quote]

He's clearly not Hardy but he's not Patterson either. He has 6 inches on Avery and a JUCO track record of shooting at a high %.
 
[quote="Matty Hoops" post=403313][quote="Boo Harvey" post=403308]Cole had a nice shooting game. Reading the thread, some have compared him to Dwight Hardy, others to Avery Patterson. I fear the latter comparison is more apt. I was not impressed with his athleticism, ball handling or defense. I fear he mat be a one trick pony. Hopefully he can continue to perform his trick well against good competition. We shall see.[/quote]

He's clearly not Hardy but he's not Patterson either. He has 6 inches on Avery and a JUCO track record of shooting at a high %.[/quote]

Avery Patterson was 6’4
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=403308]Cole had a nice shooting game. Reading the thread, some have compared him to Dwight Hardy, others to Avery Patterson. I fear the latter comparison is more apt. I was not impressed with his athleticism, ball handling or defense. I fear he mat be a one trick pony. Hopefully he can continue to perform his trick well against good competition. We shall see.[/quote]

Nobody compared him to Patterson.
Patterson was mentioned because someone asked who has shot that well in their debut and Patterson hit 7 3's in his debut.
 
Agree,Cole will be guarded better by but I do think he will make up for LJ and over his stay will have better numbers than LJ. However, would have liked to see him create his own shots and finish at the rim. Hope these skills will be seen . Disappointed the way the team played and that we still haven’t developed more consistent shooters this will not stand in confr play . I will take the win but wouldn’t brag about it.
If we play a really good came today that would go a long way
Cole needs to play more
 
[quote="usguard" post=403317]Agree,Cole will be guarded better by but I do think he will make up for LJ and over his stay will have better numbers than LJ. However, would have liked to see him create his own shots and finish at the rim. Hope these skills will be seen . Disappointed the way the team played and that we still haven’t developed more consistent shooters this will not stand in confr play . I will take the win but wouldn’t brag about it.
If we play a really good came today that would go a long way
Cole needs to play more[/quote]

He may be able to provide the scoring but he is no where near the defender/all around player LJ was.
 
Poshs basketball talents and instincts make him a stat filler. Last night was the first time I saw him play but was so impressed with his all around game I am convinced if he plays long enough at SJU he will be on a number of top ten lists.
 
Just watched the Press Conference. As impressive as Cole's shooting was, he was just as impressive as the only player to speak. He gave credit to Posh & Greg for setting up his game winning shot, gave credit to St. Peter's for their performance, and answered a tough question about starting vs coming off the bench. He represented himself and SJU quite well in his first Div.1 game and interview.
 
Was at a bar last night with about 10 people eating dinner and had the waitress put the game on TV. Others know of college hoops but are not very into it. The common comments were, "wow...isn't a team like SJ supposed to dominate a team like that? What is St. Peters? Never heard of them" and "wow SJ defense looks really bad".

Very sobering to watch. Maybe more of you can see now why I'm not always roses even when I want to be. In my gut I knew our talent is not on par with our conference. I think we see more of this today unfortunately with LaSalle. They are better than St. Peters. St. Peters plays in the terrible MAAC. They are not a good team despite what people say to make excuses. They lose by 20 to most power conference teams and by 10+ by virtually all. I think it's more that we are that bad at least right now. I'm sure JC being out did not help, but we literally played 0 defense. They got everything they wanted. I know it's the 1st game and no crowd and no JC, but no excuse here. Looks like they just played a pickup game together for first time ever. I think it will be more of the same with LaSalle unfortunately. Could be in for a really tough year.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=403323]Was at a bar last night with about 10 people eating dinner and had the waitress put the game on TV. Others know of college hoops but are not very into it. The common comments were, "wow...isn't a team like SJ supposed to dominate a team like that? What is St. Peters? Never heard of them" and "wow SJ defense looks really bad".

Very sobering to watch. Maybe more of you can see now why I'm not always roses even when I want to be. In my gut I knew our talent is not on par with our conference. I think we see more of this today unfortunately with LaSalle. They are better than St. Peters. St. Peters plays in the terrible MAAC. They are not a good team despite what people say to make excuses. They lose by 20 to most power conference teams and by 10+ by virtually all. I think it's more that we are that bad at least right now. I'm sure JC being out did not help, but we literally played 0 defense. They got everything they wanted. I know it's the 1st game and no crowd and no JC, but no excuse here. Looks like they just played a pickup game together for first time ever. I think it will be more of the same with LaSalle unfortunately. Could be in for a really tough year.[/quote]

You should have asked those people if they knew where St Francis was. The one that beat Pitt not the NY one ;)
 
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[quote="Moose" post=403315][quote="Boo Harvey" post=403308]Cole had a nice shooting game. Reading the thread, some have compared him to Dwight Hardy, others to Avery Patterson. I fear the latter comparison is more apt. I was not impressed with his athleticism, ball handling or defense. I fear he mat be a one trick pony. Hopefully he can continue to perform his trick well against good competition. We shall see.[/quote]

Nobody compared him to Patterson.
Patterson was mentioned because someone asked who has shot that well in their debut and Patterson hit 7 3's in his debut.[/quote]

I think I just did. :)
 
[quote="usguard" post=403317]Agree,Cole will be guarded better by but I do think he will make up for LJ and over his stay will have better numbers than LJ. However, would have liked to see him create his own shots and finish at the rim. Hope these skills will be seen . Disappointed the way the team played and that we still haven’t developed more consistent shooters this will not stand in confr play . I will take the win but wouldn’t brag about it.
If we play a really good came today that would go a long way
Cole needs to play more[/quote]

Maybe you missed Cole's subtle behind-the-back dribble and step back jumper for a deuce and his drive to the basket to cut the lead to two points (the basket before his game-winning trey). Small sample, of course, but it's a sample on tape.

I said last night that he'll craftily and wisely use his dribble to create space for himself. We'll see how he progresses throughout the season.
 
There's a reason Rothstein calls it the epitome of brutality...power conference teams are not supposed to lose against these teams. It's one thing to lose to a SDSU a mid major team but very close to major. But St. Peter's and St. Francis are not that. I really hope this game was just like a bad dream and we get some normalcy today. We may need JC to beat these types of teams with any solid margin as crazy as that sounds.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=403323]Was at a bar last night with about 10 people eating dinner and had the waitress put the game on TV. Others know of college hoops but are not very into it. The common comments were, "wow...isn't a team like SJ supposed to dominate a team like that? What is St. Peters? Never heard of them" and "wow SJ defense looks really bad".

Very sobering to watch. Maybe more of you can see now why I'm not always roses even when I want to be. In my gut I knew our talent is not on par with our conference. I think we see more of this today unfortunately with LaSalle. They are better than St. Peters. St. Peters plays in the terrible MAAC. They are not a good team despite what people say to make excuses. They lose by 20 to most power conference teams and by 10+ by virtually all. I think it's more that we are that bad at least right now. I'm sure JC being out did not help, but we literally played 0 defense. They got everything they wanted. I know it's the 1st game and no crowd and no JC, but no excuse here. Looks like they just played a pickup game together for first time ever. I think it will be more of the same with LaSalle unfortunately. Could be in for a really tough year.[/quote]

Honestly, you're not "roses" because you're not ticked in that manner. It's not so much as a knock as it is reality. You're wired to be a pessimist and view things in a negative light. That's the way you've carried yourself since you've been on these boards. So, please do not use last night's game as a caveat to not viewing things as "rosy."

I'll say it again, let's allow the season to play out or at least half the season before gnashing of teeth.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=403269][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v[/URL]=um4kv8ESitE[/quote]

Thank you SJU6 -
Wow
dropped cable TV, did not see game, enjoy these posts and after watching the video - so close to an L but the kids got the W!
We have talent, depth, heart and I believe CMA will develop the team into a more cohesive unit. I remember last year the team progressed and I expect to see the same for 2020-21. Being the best at the season's end.We did just that and can do it again - improve!
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=403184]Dylan Wusu, Vince Cole, Isaih Moore and Posh Alexander scored St. John's final 22 points.
Zach B[/quote] The announcer also said the new comers scored the first 18 points.
Cole and Posh look like 2 nice pieces.
On a positive note we were down by 4 w aboutt 20 seconds left and I believe they had the ball. Turned the tv off and was pleasantly surprised when I checked the box score and saw we won.
 
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[quote="Logen" post=403301][quote="Making Plays" post=403291][quote="Logen" post=403281][quote="Making Plays" post=403276][quote="Logen" post=403274][quote="Making Plays" post=403250][quote="Logen" post=403191][quote="Making Plays" post=403168][quote="Mean Gene" post=403159]That might have been the worst defensive game I’ve ever seen a CMA team play.[/quote]

That's what happens when you don't get much time to practice and have a team full of newcomers, it's going to be a learn as you go season, not only for the Johnnies but for other teams as well. This season due to covid is going to be absolutely crazy and unpredictable. There will be some teams with no practice for 2 weeks after a positive test going into a game. There's already been a few upsets tonight.

This just happened.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1331781117607809026[/quote]

Disagree, St. Peter’s had 10 practices going into the game and lost two top players from last year to transfer. Getting beat consistently off the dribble is not from lack of practice. Defense is desire and starts with taking pride in keeping your man in front of you. Protecting the rim and help rotation should be second nature at this level and we showed neither. I believe it was Mean Gene who pointed out, just a horrible defensive game.[/quote]

The post I was responding to was the guy was saying this was the worst defensively he's ever seen a CMA team play. The reason for that as I posted was because lack of practice time due to covid and 5 of his top 10 players are newcomers.

CMA's 40 minutes of hell defense takes a lot of practice and organization, despite what some people think, it's not just him running guys out there and pressing and something that's learned in a few practices, it takes a lot of time and communication to get those rotations down, even the highest of IQ newcomers take a while to pick it up, that's why you always hear CMA joke when he has a lot of new players that it's going to probably be 10 minutes of hell and 30 minutes of what the hell, because he knows it takes a while for kids to pick it up. I don't care if the other team only had 1 practice together, if guys haven't fully picked up the defense yet, it's not going to look good no matter who the opponent is, a lot of guys were out of position tonight, as they get more experience in the system that will get cleaned up.[/quote]

The breakdowns on defense and the non-existence of help were of the manner I wouldn’t expect to see in a decent pickup game. Sorry but I disagree that lack of practice had anything to do with what I saw tonight.[/quote]

Well you know more than the coach then about his own players, because he literally echoed what I was saying in the post game press conference. Said it's a weird year with practice restrictions and everything due to covid, referenced guys being out due to injury, not having exhibition games to work things out, and it being a different environment without fans, said guys have got to get use to that and said as a coach he has to take all that into consideration, and they will learn from it and get better.

Also, if you think they looked worse than a decent pick-up game, that tells me you didn't watch any other college basketball games today. There were several upsets and there were teams that were suppose to be really good not look good at all today. #15 West Virginia looked horrible in the second half of their game and blew a 12 point lead to South Dakota State and it was a 4 point game with under 2 minutes left. #22 UCLA get blew out by San Diego State, Pitt lost to St. Francis, Kansas State lost to Drake. It's going to be an odd year, the shortened practice schedule is without a doubt affecting teams.[/quote]

I don’t care about OTHER games, their relevance to our game escapes me because I never once discussed the outcome of ours; what I was commenting on was our inability to apply BASIC keep your man in front of you, don’t constantly dive for steals, and help when a teammate is beaten DEFENSE. I saw the game, I know the game, and I know what I saw. If you think our coaches didn’t have time to teach principles a decent middle school team understands, that’s what you think, I disagree. Other games or CMA’s press conference has no bearing on what I saw and my opinion of it. My last word because as many have posted, it was one game, we escaped, and we move on. But if we play that poorly going forward, which I don’t think we will, and depend on Cole to shoot 5 of 6 from 3 consistently, which he won’t; it is going to be a less than enjoyable season.[/quote]

So basically, you don't care what the coach says, how other teams looked on opening night, and don't care about the circumstances going on around the country, in your opinion that's the worst pick up game, middle school basketball you've ever seen and nothing can change your mind on that. Gotcha.... Happy Thanksgiving![/quote]

No, I don’t care about coach speak one bit, nor other games when talking about OUR game. You see, I am perfectly content in making up my own mind, you know, using my ability to think and deciding for myself. Not sure why anyone would consider doing it any other way but I guess some people need to be told what to think or use completely irrelevant data to fit their spin on things; I’m not one of the them.[/quote]

I get it now, you're one of those I'll believe whatever I want I don't care what the actual facts are type of guys, and anybody that doesn't think like you is a sheep.

It's the first game of the season during a pandemic, in a limited off-season, with 5 newcomers, new environment without fans in the crowd, and the team is without it's best player, those are actual facts, that's not coach speak, those things actually have an impact on a team's performance. Anyways this is getting redundant, my last response to you on it, I honestly should have stopped responding when you started comparing it to a middle school basketball game.
 
It is just a fact that the difference in talent between the major and mid major college basketball teams has closed in the past twenty years. The elite, Duke, Kan.,Ky. will not be threatened but most other members of the major conferences , if they are on a down year are very susceptible to get beat by a good mid major.
Without fans in the stands this year will end up with more surprises.
 
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