(POST-GAME) @Indiana, Wed., Nov. 17, 9p, FS-1

[MCNPA]

Small sample, but initial impression is Wheeler can run court, shoots adequately, but will he battle down low and add physicality? Not confident about that so far.

Agree.  Our Pf of the future is Stanley.  He looked good.  Only needs more time on the court.  Same with Pinzon.  Both looked good to me and they have the tools to be quite good.

 

[Mean Gene]

Small sample, but initial impression is Wheeler can run court, shoots adequately, but will he battle down low and add physicality? Not confident about that so far.

Agree.  Our Pf of the future is Stanley.  He looked good.  Only needs more time on the court.  Same with Pinzon.  Both looked good to me and they have the tools to be quite good.  


 

Agree on Stanley and Pinzon. With Wheeler I think it’s also about CMA carving out a defined role for him. Wheeler needs to do what CMA wants and needs him to do not what think he should be doing .

 

[JD0871]

U can’t be serious… guys are tackling each other in the NBA with barely a foul called.

That was NOT a flagrant 2… that was BULLSHIT home court refs.

 

[NCJohnnie]

I'm not ready to give up on Wheeler yet. He has length, good defensive instincts and the ability to be a force around the basket. Open question is whether he can reign is his desire to be a wing/shooter and whether he has the toughness to mix it up inside. Too early to say no imho. We'll see.

 

[monte]

I'm not ready to give up on Wheeler yet. He has length, good defensive instincts and the ability to be a force around the basket. Open question is whether he can reign is his desire to be a wing/shooter and whether he has the toughness to mix it up inside. Too early to say no imho. We'll see.

CMA has proven he can find roles for kids, even if it sometimes takes a while. I think Wheeler will contribute. We'll need him to. I just don't think he'll contribute at a level that many on here expected.  I think his MPG, PPG and RPG at Purdue are a good gage for what we should expect here, more or less. 

 

[L J S A]

Small sample, but initial impression is Wheeler can run court, shoots adequately, but will he battle down low and add physicality? Not confident about that so far.

I didn't really believe the reports that he looked awesome in practices, but I thought he may be able to help chip away at some of the points void by Champagnie next season. I don't even believe that anymore. Like MCNPA said, Stanley needs to play over him. I'm good with Wheeler as a change-of-pace backup center, but I want Stanley getting all available PF minutes once older talented mouths are fed there.

 

[Section3]

I understand the refs blew some calls. I could live with the Mathis call. It looked ugly and resulted in an injury. I get the feeling Mathis is going to drive a lot of us nuts this season. Some great athletic plays followed by some ill-advised 3s and reckless drives on offense and gambles on defense. In the end, we still went to the line a lot and had the game in our hands in the last possession. Home town refereeing is part of the game. Have to overcome it on the road. I liked when one of the tv guys pointed out that Smith got fouled 3 times on one pay without getting a call.

For playing his first road game in a super hostile environment, I thought Pinzon was excellent. Yes, a bit out of control. But so was Posh. Pinzon has major upside, as does Stanley. If each had a college season under their belt, maybe we are a top 20 team. Unfortunately, our best player will be gone just when they have that year of experience.



 

There's a limit to hometown calls though.

The most egregious was actually when they stopped played after Julian's layup, because he got poked in the eye.  It was called in the classic "and 1" style, but they didn't call a foul.  They only stopped it so Julian could be attended to.

Which brings up the question:  How'd he poked in the eye in the first place?  Did the magic "poke-you-in-the-eye fairy" lay one on him?  Or was he poked by accident, by the Indiana defender?  If it's the latter, than that's a foul, plain and simple.

If he was poked in the eye prior to that layup attempt (which is possible, I guess), then he made one heck of a shot, even if it was just a 2 foot layup.

I thought the worst as when Stanley got hooked yet was given the foul and the bucket  counted. I turned the channel during the review and never heard the explanation.

 

that was ridiculous non call

 

[L J S A]

I'm not ready to give up on Wheeler yet. He has length, good defensive instincts and the ability to be a force around the basket. Open question is whether he can reign is his desire to be a wing/shooter and whether he has the toughness to mix it up inside. Too early to say no imho. We'll see.

I don't think it's possible to completely change who he is at age 23. Not happy if he doesn't mix it up inside, but I'm OK with him being himself if we have tougher guys in there with him. I probably want Wusu in there with him every time.

 

[monte]

Small sample, but initial impression is Wheeler can run court, shoots adequately, but will he battle down low and add physicality? Not confident about that so far.

I didn't really believe the reports that he looked awesome in practices, but I thought he may be able to help chip away at some of the points void by Champagnie next season. I don't even believe that anymore. Like MCNPA said, Stanley needs to play over him. I'm good with Wheeler as a change-of-pace backup center, but I want Stanley getting all available PF minutes once older talented mouths are fed there.

I agree Stanley should play over Wheeler, but as much as I liked Stanley's hustle and toughness, and the offensive skills he flashed in our 1st 2 games, he gave us zero points and 2 boards in 12 minutes yesterday. We are going to need more than that from him if he's going get any kind of significant minutes. 

 

[Section3]

I'm not ready to give up on Wheeler yet. He has length, good defensive instincts and the ability to be a force around the basket. Open question is whether he can reign is his desire to be a wing/shooter and whether he has the toughness to mix it up inside. Too early to say no imho. We'll see.

CMA was able to tame Moore and Earlington penchant for taking long 3….he’ll deliver his message to Wheeler who needs to get set b4 he shoots

 

[usguard]

Yes agree that hook was bad  do not think ref missed it it was to obvious. So let’s see perhaps to help the HT he poked the other way
 

 

[newsman13]

Bottom Line:  I'd hate to be FDU this Saturday.

 

[L J S A]

Small sample, but initial impression is Wheeler can run court, shoots adequately, but will he battle down low and add physicality? Not confident about that so far.

I didn't really believe the reports that he looked awesome in practices, but I thought he may be able to help chip away at some of the points void by Champagnie next season. I don't even believe that anymore. Like MCNPA said, Stanley needs to play over him. I'm good with Wheeler as a change-of-pace backup center, but I want Stanley getting all available PF minutes once older talented mouths are fed there.

I agree Stanley should play over Wheeler, but as much as I liked Stanley's hustle and toughness, and the offensive skills he flashed in our 1st 2 games, he gave us zero points and 2 boards in 12 minutes yesterday. We are going to need more than that from him if he's going get any kind of significant minutes. 

That was a tough game/environment in his third college game for a kid ranked close to 300. I'd like to see him get a lot of minutes in the remaining pre-conference schedule so he can possibly help up during BE play. I don't expect a huge game against Kansas, but if he gets minutes and does something with them, I'll be pretty excited.

Way more excited than I am with Wheeler. He has probably played Indiana at least eight times, and four at their place. If he couldn't give us a big game in that game of all games, I can't see him doing a ton for us this year. 

 

[mjmaherjr]

Small sample, but initial impression is Wheeler can run court, shoots adequately, but will he battle down low and add physicality? Not confident about that so far.

I didn't really believe the reports that he looked awesome in practices, but I thought he may be able to help chip away at some of the points void by Champagnie next season. I don't even believe that anymore. Like MCNPA said, Stanley needs to play over him. I'm good with Wheeler as a change-of-pace backup center, but I want Stanley getting all available PF minutes once older talented mouths are fed there.

I agree Stanley should play over Wheeler, but as much as I liked Stanley's hustle and toughness, and the offensive skills he flashed in our 1st 2 games, he gave us zero points and 2 boards in 12 minutes yesterday. We are going to need more than that from him if he's going get any kind of significant minutes. 

to be fair how many shots did he take

 

[monte]

Small sample, but initial impression is Wheeler can run court, shoots adequately, but will he battle down low and add physicality? Not confident about that so far.

I didn't really believe the reports that he looked awesome in practices, but I thought he may be able to help chip away at some of the points void by Champagnie next season. I don't even believe that anymore. Like MCNPA said, Stanley needs to play over him. I'm good with Wheeler as a change-of-pace backup center, but I want Stanley getting all available PF minutes once older talented mouths are fed there.

I agree Stanley should play over Wheeler, but as much as I liked Stanley's hustle and toughness, and the offensive skills he flashed in our 1st 2 games, he gave us zero points and 2 boards in 12 minutes yesterday. We are going to need more than that from him if he's going get any kind of significant minutes. 

to be fair how many shots did he take

2, off top of my head 

 

[beast of the east]

Way too early to give objective assessments on what individuals are capable of contributing.  I'd let the performance play out as the season progresses and likely some guys will step up and others back in the rotation.

 

[monte]

Just got done watching post game press conference and, believe it or not, that last play did turn out to be a busted play. I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya! Champ said that since they didn't have a time out, they couldn't draw up a play. That they don't already have a play ready for that  kind of end-of-game scenario is a sin in and of itself. Then CMA said that he had really hoped that Pinzon would have driven to the hoop instead of going right to Champ. The entire play was a disaster from start to finish. That's what happens when you put the ball in hands of a freshman, with a few minutes of college game experience, in a hostile environment. Not the kid's fault, he should not have been put in that position. 

 

[bucketshardy]

Still vehemently disagree with the Flag2 on Mathis, but it did do damage- Galloway undergoing surgery on a broken left wrist. Should be back in 6-8 weeks.

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

Flagrant 1 def
Shouldn’t have been a 2

Disagree. Grabbing his arm and pulling him down while in the air is a dirty move. That is how players get injured. Justifies a 2.

 

[monte]

https://247sports.com/college/india...-Indiana-basketball-guard-St-Johns-175651480/

I've been on the fence about whether it should have been a 1 or 2, but after watching this replay, I'm leaning towards a 2. For starters, I didn't realize that Mathis threw the pass that got intercepted by Galloway, so I'm sure it was at least partly a frustration foul. Second, he hooked Galloway in midair and pulled him down. He didn't chop foul him. You hook a player in midair and pull him down, evenly slightly, you're likely gonna get a 2 called on you. Bardo, who is one of my favorite commentators around, completed botched the call from get go.