(POST GAME) Georgetown (MSG), Sun. Feb. 2, 1p, CBS / 970 AM WNYM

[quote="RJGBOOTSY" post=375463][quote="SJU61982" post=375460][quote="RJGBOOTSY" post=375459]Did not handle the press well that is obvious. Maybe the kids did not execute against the press but were coached correctly. I don't know but the same thing happened against Seton Hall. Needs to get fixed.

Bigger issue was why did we press and trap on the last Georgetown possession? With the lead and being in the bon us on fouls that made absolutely no sense!!!!!! That was a bad in game decision.[/quote]

Yeah, that surprised me a bit. I don't mind having one guy back there, just so they can't roll the ball up, and save the clock, but it was too easy for Yurtseven, once the press got beat, IMO. But, that goes back to the "married to the system" criticism that Anderson has gotten in the past.

The only positive was that it happened so quickly, that we still had 10 seconds left, to win it. If they play straight up, maybe Georgetown hits even later in the clock.[/quote]

You can not trap there!!! Way to risky from a fouling and them beating the trap (which they did ) perspective. The shot they got was way to easy and to close to the basket.[/quote]

In his postgame press conference, Anderson said that it was not supposed to be a trap. Wanted to play fullcourt man so they didn't roll it up, but said that there was a miscommunication, and it turned into a trap. Was not by design, apparently.

I hadn't seen that, when I made the first response, FTR.
 
Without a true point guard it's hard to do anything in the half court. Add that to the fact we cant shot we are way to guard. I wonder how different we would look if McGriff doesn't get hurt. Not saying he would be a savior, just a competent pg.
 
[quote="Patrick C ripdumaine" post=375465]Without a true point guard it's hard to do anything in the half court. Add that to the fact we cant shot we are way to guard. I wonder how different we would look if McGriff doesn't get hurt. Not saying he would be a savior, just a competent pg.[/quote]

Mcgriff is nit the answer at PG.
 
We have roster problems. It’s not coaching. No Pg, no scorers, no bigs. Anderson’s teams will be a lot different when this roster gets turned over a bit. We need guys who can put the ball in the bucket, period!
 
How do expect to win when the three guys you count on to score aren't consistent ? They can't shoot a combined 13 for 38 and 5 for 16 on threes and expect to win games. This one hurts...
 
I'm also pleased with the Anderson hire and think he can and will be more successful than recent coaches. I should clarify that I'm critical of some aspects of his in-game coaching in conference play just this season. I'm not an Arkansas fan so admittedly I'm not familiar with his tendencies. Of course the man has hundreds of wins and his record speaks for itself. I'm a schlub on a message board who has already admitted that I watched half the game high.

My issue is more that there seems to be a lack of focus down the stretch. We slow down when we have leads but then we have to play half court offense which is our weakness. When we play in the half court, plays either get broken early or there doesn't seem to be many sets run when things aren't clicking. We rely on long shots from our main guys or Dunn drives. I agree Anderson doesn't have a full toolbox yet but I think we should be a little better organized in those situations at this point in the season.
 
[quote="DoodyNY33" post=375455][quote="QueensBall" post=375449]Agree some more roster turnover is needed. The keepers are all complimentary pieces also. Not fair to put pressure on guys who haven't played at this level yet but we've gotta hope Cole/Posh can be alphas if we want to be competitive next year.

Also replying to Logen from the now locked thread...I'm still optimistic about Anderson long term but very much agree with you. I think he's been great at conditioning our guys and getting them to play harder than most coaches but his in-game coaching (especially since conference play) leaves much to be desired.[/quote]

No question this is a bad loss for CMA. But I don’t think I can criticize his in-game coaching when he’s never had a losing season.

I’m as annoyed as any of you. Horrible loss. Offense was stagnant in the 2nd half and why they didn’t bring Roberts or Sears in the game for Yurtseven is beyond me. However, CMA just doesn’t have the horses. They don’t have a real point guard. Heron is their best shooter and that’s not saying much. They don’t have a good big man down low. Am I optimistic Roberts & Earlington can become good players? Sure, but neither are big men that teams have to scheme against.[/quote]

Everyone harps on the the same themes. Sorry, but lack of talent shows all game not consistently only in the last 10 minutes. And as I have stated, if we were running things and missing, ok, possibly talent, but we run nothing in the half court, nothing. We pass around the perimeter all game, no picks, no setups, no plays. We jack up ridiculous 3’s, I am still waiting for Figueroa to take something other than a deep 3 or that silly one hand floater. For the last 10-12 possessions today, we had a few 30 second violations but mostly prayers at the end of the shot clock. We run the clock down for no logical reason putting Dunn in a position to fail on the 2nd to last possession which was the most important one of the game. As for me, I didn’t see Anderson through his 17 winning seasons and I respect that record, but what I am seeing now leaves much to be desired. We have played 20+ games and this team has no clue what to do at the end of a close game on either end of the court.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=375457][quote="QueensBall" post=375449]
Also replying to Logen from the now locked thread...I'm still optimistic about Anderson long term but very much agree with you. I think he's been great at conditioning our guys and getting them to play harder than most coaches but his in-game coaching (especially since conference play) leaves much to be desired.[/quote]

I believe that Anderson was the best reasonable candidate we could have gotten. I wanted Cluess, but he hasn't been on the sidelines all season, and that was the first step towards torpedoing the Lavin era.

However, every complaint that the Arkansas people had about him is starting to show.

1. Too married to his system. I love the system, but it does have warts, especially with no big man. One of the reasons that Seton Hall and Georgetown came back on us with the press, is because they had a big guy in the back of it (on those occasions where we did get it past midcourt). We don't have that, so when it gets beat, like Georgetown did on the last possession, it's too easy for the other team to score.

2. Too passive with the officials. Yes, Mullin was too aggressive, but I believe the opposite can be true, too. I think we've lost a lot of 50/50 calls because of this (block/charges, out of bounds, foul/no foul etc.). Ironically, I don't think that was a factor today, but has been in some of the other games, IMO (Seton Hall most notably, and maybe Villanova too, WRT only shooting 4 free throws).

3. Doesn't get down and dirty WRT recruiting. Too early to tell on that. He's been a presence, but many feel he won't sell out legally (a la Kevin Willard) for someone, which ends up with us always finishing 2nd or 3rd for every great player. Time will tell on that one, obviously.

4. Halfcourt offense leaves a lot to be desired. I don't think I have to explain that one.

I believe that his ceiling here is about what Ed Cooley has done at Providence. That sounds great now, but 5 years down the road, what will that sound like?

That being said, he was probably still the best candidate, outside of pie-in-the-sky fantasies. The only way we could probably get a higher ceiling guy, is to take another Norm Roberts-like chance on a hotshot assistant, only have it work out this time. If it did though, the guy is probably gone for greener pastures in 4 or 5 years anyway, and it's back to square one.

So, it is what it is. We should be grateful to Anderson, for taking a chance on us, IMO.[/quote]

We should be grateful to Anderson for taking a chance on us ?
For what ? He took over a program with no NCAA tournament wins in 20 years. Outside of the 100 or so mostly elderly men that post on this board ( myself included ) the expectations are piss poor. I can’t confirm his salary but would be very disappointed if it was less than $2 million a year and it certainly could be higher.
What in g ds name do we have to be grateful for ? If the man wins big here we all win big, including CMA who will feel vindicated after having been let go, perhaps unfairly , by Arkansas. Remember we didn’t pull him away from another program he was unemployed at that time, having recently been let go by Arkansas. He himself said he didn’t think he would be coaching this season. And I am sure the thought more than crossed his mind as to would he be coaching at a mid major going forward, not in a power conference. If he loses here he is still getting paid a fortune to coach in a major conference. Lavin didn’t do us a favour and neither did Mullin. They were very handsomely rewarded for their part time work. At least with CMA the man is working his tail off trying to resurrect the program from the depths it has been in and I respect him immensely for doing that. Here is to hoping that the talent he brings in next season is greater than the talent that leaves after this season. I for one believe it will be, but how much better remains to be seen.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=375457][quote="QueensBall" post=375449]
Also replying to Logen from the now locked thread...I'm still optimistic about Anderson long term but very much agree with you. I think he's been great at conditioning our guys and getting them to play harder than most coaches but his in-game coaching (especially since conference play) leaves much to be desired.[/quote]

I believe that Anderson was the best reasonable candidate we could have gotten. I wanted Cluess, but he hasn't been on the sidelines all season, and that was the first step towards torpedoing the Lavin era.

However, every complaint that the Arkansas people had about him is starting to show.

1. Too married to his system. I love the system, but it does have warts, especially with no big man. One of the reasons that Seton Hall and Georgetown came back on us with the press, is because they had a big guy in the back of it (on those occasions where we did get it past midcourt). We don't have that, so when it gets beat, like Georgetown did on the last possession, it's too easy for the other team to score.

2. Too passive with the officials. Yes, Mullin was too aggressive, but I believe the opposite can be true, too. I think we've lost a lot of 50/50 calls because of this (block/charges, out of bounds, foul/no foul etc.). Ironically, I don't think that was a factor today, but has been in some of the other games, IMO (Seton Hall most notably, and maybe Villanova too, WRT only shooting 4 free throws).

3. Doesn't get down and dirty WRT recruiting. Too early to tell on that. He's been a presence, but many feel he won't sell out legally (a la Kevin Willard) for someone, which ends up with us always finishing 2nd or 3rd for every great player. Time will tell on that one, obviously.

4. Halfcourt offense leaves a lot to be desired. I don't think I have to explain that one.

I believe that his ceiling here is about what Ed Cooley has done at Providence. That sounds great now, but 5 years down the road, what will that sound like?

That being said, he was probably still the best candidate, outside of pie-in-the-sky fantasies. The only way we could probably get a higher ceiling guy, is to take another Norm Roberts-like chance on a hotshot assistant, only have it work out this time. If it did though, the guy is probably gone for greener pastures in 4 or 5 years anyway, and it's back to square one.

So, it is what it is. We should be grateful to Anderson, for taking a chance on us, IMO.[/quote]

We need a big man but we lost to Seton Hall and Georgetown along with probably Vermont and Butler Because we do not have a top quality PG. I honestly think if you put a kid like Posh Alexander on this team this season we’re 17-6 instead of 13-10.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=375478][quote="SJU61982" post=375457][quote="QueensBall" post=375449]
Also replying to Logen from the now locked thread...I'm still optimistic about Anderson long term but very much agree with you. I think he's been great at conditioning our guys and getting them to play harder than most coaches but his in-game coaching (especially since conference play) leaves much to be desired.[/quote]

I believe that Anderson was the best reasonable candidate we could have gotten. I wanted Cluess, but he hasn't been on the sidelines all season, and that was the first step towards torpedoing the Lavin era.

However, every complaint that the Arkansas people had about him is starting to show.

1. Too married to his system. I love the system, but it does have warts, especially with no big man. One of the reasons that Seton Hall and Georgetown came back on us with the press, is because they had a big guy in the back of it (on those occasions where we did get it past midcourt). We don't have that, so when it gets beat, like Georgetown did on the last possession, it's too easy for the other team to score.

2. Too passive with the officials. Yes, Mullin was too aggressive, but I believe the opposite can be true, too. I think we've lost a lot of 50/50 calls because of this (block/charges, out of bounds, foul/no foul etc.). Ironically, I don't think that was a factor today, but has been in some of the other games, IMO (Seton Hall most notably, and maybe Villanova too, WRT only shooting 4 free throws).

3. Doesn't get down and dirty WRT recruiting. Too early to tell on that. He's been a presence, but many feel he won't sell out legally (a la Kevin Willard) for someone, which ends up with us always finishing 2nd or 3rd for every great player. Time will tell on that one, obviously.

4. Halfcourt offense leaves a lot to be desired. I don't think I have to explain that one.

I believe that his ceiling here is about what Ed Cooley has done at Providence. That sounds great now, but 5 years down the road, what will that sound like?

That being said, he was probably still the best candidate, outside of pie-in-the-sky fantasies. The only way we could probably get a higher ceiling guy, is to take another Norm Roberts-like chance on a hotshot assistant, only have it work out this time. If it did though, the guy is probably gone for greener pastures in 4 or 5 years anyway, and it's back to square one.

So, it is what it is. We should be grateful to Anderson, for taking a chance on us, IMO.[/quote]

We need a big man but we lost to Seton Hall and Georgetown along with probably Vermont and Butler Because we do not have a top quality PG. I honestly think if you put a kid like Posh Alexander on this team this season we’re 17-6 instead of 13-10.[/quote]

It's both, not one or the other, IMO. I've always said, I'd rather not have much at the 2, 3, and 4 spots, if that meant we had a top notch point guard and Center. Unfortunately, we tend to do the opposite.
 
[quote="RJGBOOTSY" post=375467][quote="Patrick C ripdumaine" post=375465]Without a true point guard it's hard to do anything in the half court. Add that to the fact we cant shot we are way to guard. I wonder how different we would look if McGriff doesn't get hurt. Not saying he would be a savior, just a competent pg.[/quote]
I agree but he is only true point guard on roster This year. I dont ever see him as a starter but ...

Mcgriff is nit the answer at PG.[/quote]
 
Look, I am as much an Anderson fan as anyone on here. But the idea that we lost today because of a lack of talent is nonsense. Gtown was missing both of its star freshman guards from last year and had only 6 legitimate scholarship players. Ewing is underrated as a coach imho and MA has yet to prove himself as a good in game coach (as opposed to a great motivator and super hard worker). We looked completely unhinged when Gtown applied pressure and that is not on the players. I thought we left Julien on the bench and Earlington in way too long while Gtown was making their run. Just my opinion but let's not try to blame this one on talent deficiency.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=375488]Look, I am as much an Anderson fan as anyone on here. But the idea that we lost today because of a lack of talent is nonsense. Gtown was missing both of its star freshman guards from last year and had only 6 legitimate scholarship players. Ewing is underrated as a coach imho and MA has yet to prove himself as a good in game coach (as opposed to a great motivator and super hard worker). We looked completely unhinged when Gtown applied pressure and that is not on the players. I thought we left Julien on the bench and Earlington in way too long while Gtown was making their run. Just my opinion but let's not try to blame this one on talent deficiency.[/quote]

If you don’t see us a less talented team, we’ll, then, I don’t know what to say. We do not have the talent to compete this year. Once CMA gets the recruits that he wants, the team will be a lot better. Maybe not next year. But I firmly believe improvement is on the way. We will just have to have differing opinions on this issue.
 
Tonyinfairfield wrote: If you don’t see us a less talented team, we’ll, then, I don’t know what to say. We do not have the talent to compete this year. Once CMA gets the recruits that he wants, the team will be a lot better. Maybe not next year. But I firmly believe improvement is on the way. We will just have to have differing opinions on this issue.

Tony, I agree we are talent challenged in general relative to the rest of the Big East. However, I don't think there are many who would argue that we are less talented than the Georgetown team we faced sans McClung today. That was my point. We were simply outcoached.
 
[quote="Tonyinfairfield " post=375489][quote="NCJohnnie" post=375488]Look, I am as much an Anderson fan as anyone on here. But the idea that we lost today because of a lack of talent is nonsense. Gtown was missing both of its star freshman guards from last year and had only 6 legitimate scholarship players. Ewing is underrated as a coach imho and MA has yet to prove himself as a good in game coach (as opposed to a great motivator and super hard worker). We looked completely unhinged when Gtown applied pressure and that is not on the players. I thought we left Julien on the bench and Earlington in way too long while Gtown was making their run. Just my opinion but let's not try to blame this one on talent deficiency.[/quote]

If you don’t see us a less talented team, we’ll, then, I don’t know what to say. We do not have the talent to compete this year. Once CMA gets the recruits that he wants, the team will be a lot better. Maybe not next year. But I firmly believe improvement is on the way. We will just have to have differing opinions on this issue.[/quote]

But we are competing. We lost by one in the last 10 seconds and were up by 17. We're not closing.
 
Uhg......this one was painful. The final 15 minutes was slow motion torture. If you watched on TV, I can promise it was even worse live.

I thought one positive was Champagnie. He looked better than a freshman today.

I agree with much of what's been said, including our lack of talent and today not being CMA's best game. I will add that we continue to give up too many wide open 3-point attempts. Also, we may not make another Final Four before I die, but I sure hope we will have at least one legit big man before they close the coffin.

Lastly, perhaps the only misstep Mike Cragg has made since his arrival was prematurely hiking ticket prices. That decision is rearing its ugly head at MSG games. As said by all, this was not the year for a hike.
 
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[quote="MCNPA" post=375468]We have roster problems. It’s not coaching. No Pg, no scorers, no bigs. Anderson’s teams will be a lot different when this roster gets turned over a bit. We need guys who can put the ball in the bucket, period![/quote]

So how do we go up 17 with such a lack of talent? And lead Seton Hall by double figures at the half? And come back from 20+ on Butler in the the 2nd half? Do our players talented enough to do those things change uniforms with less talented stunt doubles down the stretch so we can fold? How did we beat West Virginia and Arizona? Sorry, you and others have sung that song since the year started and it just doesn’t fly; it just doesn’t pass the eye test, at least mine. This team certainly can use more talent but they are good enough to win now; not dominate, but win games they are up 17 in the 2nd half to a depleted Gtown or up 5 with 3 minutes to go against Butler. Make all the excuses you want but this team is good enough to win now, they are very poorly coached when it comes to situational, half court basketball on both ends of the floor with no clue how to close out games. You run stuff down the stretch and miss good shots, fine, talk to me about talent but we run nothing and get nothing but turnovers and prayers.
 
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I look forward to us bringing back Champagnie, Dunn, Williams & Roberts. Also think there is a place for Earlington & Caraher albeit as back of the rotation guys. We need to sign a really good shooter & legitimate big to go with the other 4 recruits who hopefully weren't too discouraged watching us today. I have faith in our staff on the recruiting side.
 
As disheartening of a loss

For us older fans who remember don Meredith

Turn out the lights........

Steere or sears not in at all
 
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