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Marvin Clark II: “We just didn’t play great collectively as a team for 30 minutes, with the passion we needed to win in this building. It was there in the spurts. On the road, we just got to be better. Be a little more locked in, be a little more focused." #sjubb
Should they get this by now? veteran team, no?[/quote]
Veteran team on paper. 4/8 in rotation playing first season here.[/quote]
Here we go!!!
4\8 playing first season excuse. Welcome to transfer U. That will be our story until this staff learns to recruit and top players out of prep actually believe in them. Hasn't happened in 4 years now.[/quote]
You take everything to one extreme or another. Not everything is an excuse, man. Sometimes it's just context.
Yes, we are a veteran roster, but only one kid has played here for three seasons and 4 of the 8 guys in our rotation are playing in the their first season here--and two of them have played less than 120 minutes combined! There is reason to believe that we will improve more than other teams.
We switch everything and the complex man takes time to master and it's hard to get used to teammates and their tendencies. We double more than anyone too. Those doubles are getting sharper and will result in some legit traps ina few weeks.
We also haven't settled the roles down yet.
Keita and Williams could potentially be completely different players in a few weeks as well. A competent Keita changes a lot.[/quote]
I think both Keita and Williams improve considerably over time. I don’t see that happening over the next few weeks.[/quote]
What is your issue with Williams? I don't think it's fair to lump him in with Keita. He's already competent. There is every reason to believe he can become a solid 7th/8th man in February.[/quote]
WTF are you talking about? You lumped them together, saying they could both be contributors in a few weeks. All I said was that don’t think either will become big contributors over next few weeks. That doesn’t mean I think thier respective talent levels are comparable or that’ll they’ll progress at the same pace. Having said that, right now we need more of what Keita can bring to the team. So hopefully he can give us something in the coming weeks. But a substantial contribution, IMO, is a longshot[/quote]
Relax. Take a deep breath.
I didn't lump them in together in terms of ability, and I interpreted your response to do that. No big deal.
IMO, Keita does not possess a high ceiling and I expect nothing from him beyond this year. Williams will be damn good and it's just a matter of when with him instead of if. I posted repeatedly that I didn't expect anything from him as a frosh but I think we can agree he's overachieved reasonable freshman expectations. Given the high bball IQ he's demonstrated thus far and his ability to not be a liability on defense, there is no reason be can't be playing 12-15 mpg consistently in February and March.[/quote]
Mullin gave him zero minutes against crap teams in OOC and you think Mullin is going to give him 15 minutes in must win conference games? He gets minutes when we have foul trouble.
He plays hard on defense but he shot one of 4 air balls today. How many air balls did the Butler bench shoot?
Keita scored the only 4 points off the bench.
There is literally no one on the bench who can create their own shot.
When our Wonder Five has one or two players crap their pants we become a mid major push over.
That said I love your optimism.
Marvin Clark II: “We just didn’t play great collectively as a team for 30 minutes, with the passion we needed to win in this building. It was there in the spurts. On the road, we just got to be better. Be a little more locked in, be a little more focused." #sjubb
Should they get this by now? veteran team, no?[/quote]
Veteran team on paper. 4/8 in rotation playing first season here.[/quote]
Here we go!!!
4\8 playing first season excuse. Welcome to transfer U. That will be our story until this staff learns to recruit and top players out of prep actually believe in them. Hasn't happened in 4 years now.[/quote]
You take everything to one extreme or another. Not everything is an excuse, man. Sometimes it's just context.
Yes, we are a veteran roster, but only one kid has played here for three seasons and 4 of the 8 guys in our rotation are playing in the their first season here--and two of them have played less than 120 minutes combined! There is reason to believe that we will improve more than other teams.
We switch everything and the complex man takes time to master and it's hard to get used to teammates and their tendencies. We double more than anyone too. Those doubles are getting sharper and will result in some legit traps ina few weeks.
We also haven't settled the roles down yet.
Keita and Williams could potentially be completely different players in a few weeks as well. A competent Keita changes a lot.[/quote]
I think both Keita and Williams improve considerably over time. I don’t see that happening over the next few weeks.[/quote]
What is your issue with Williams? I don't think it's fair to lump him in with Keita. He's already competent. There is every reason to believe he can become a solid 7th/8th man in February.[/quote]
WTF are you talking about? You lumped them together, saying they could both be contributors in a few weeks. All I said was that don’t think either will become big contributors over next few weeks. That doesn’t mean I think thier respective talent levels are comparable or that’ll they’ll progress at the same pace. Having said that, right now we need more of what Keita can bring to the team. So hopefully he can give us something in the coming weeks. But a substantial contribution, IMO, is a longshot[/quote]
Relax. Take a deep breath.
I didn't lump them in together in terms of ability, and I interpreted your response to do that. No big deal.
IMO, Keita does not possess a high ceiling and I expect nothing from him beyond this year. Williams will be damn good and it's just a matter of when with him instead of if. I posted repeatedly that I didn't expect anything from him as a frosh but I think we can agree he's overachieved reasonable freshman expectations. Given the high bball IQ he's demonstrated thus far and his ability to not be a liability on defense, there is no reason be can't be playing 12-15 mpg consistently in February and March.[/quote]
Mullin gave him zero minutes against crap teams in OOC and you think Mullin is going to give him 15 minutes in must win conference games? He gets minutes when we have foul trouble.
He plays hard on defense but he shot one of 4 air balls today. How many air balls did the Butler bench shoot?
Keita scored the only 4 points off the bench.
There is literally no one on the bench who can create their own shot.
When our Wonder Five has one or two players crap their pants we become a mid major push over.
That said I love your optimism.
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