(POST GAME). Boston College (@Mohegan Sun), Mon., Nov. 30, 6p, ESPNU / 970 AM WN

I gave up my Cablevision and I’m not aware of how to stream St. John’s games. Normally I’d go to Dowlings Sports Bar in Noyac on the East End but it’s doors are shuddered...
Very much enjoyed following the BC victory with the amazing assortment of posts by my fellow posters.
I thank everyone, and as I often repeat myself ( I think it’s part of aging )
We are headed in a terrific direction with solid HC Anderson, AD Cragg and apparently our new President.
The sour decades make this new epoch that much more sweet!
All the best.
 
[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=404877]I gave up my Cablevision and I’m not aware of how to stream St. John’s games. Normally I’d go to Dowlings Sports Bar in Noyac on the East End but it’s doors are shuddered...
Very much enjoyed following the BC victory with the amazing assortment of posts by my fellow posters.
I thank everyone, and as I often repeat myself ( I think it’s part of aging )
We are headed in a terrific direction with solid HC Anderson, AD Cragg and apparently our new President.
The sour decades make this new epoch that much more sweet!
All the best.[/quote]

You can get a smart TV and there are different apps you can choose from: YouTube TV, Sling, Hulu, etc. all of which offer live TV streaming. You make an account, select a plan, and they will show you which channels are included. You don't need a smart TV though. If you have an old or "dumb TV", you can simply purchase an Amazon Firestick that plugs into your TV's HDMI port (you will need one). In that case, you just plug it in, set it up, and you can get to these apps from the home screen.
 
[quote="Monte" post=404846][quote="AlBovino" post=404826]Putzman saw the need to take a shot at our past coaches, Childish!!![/quote]

Come on man, is there really a need for that? And if anything, I was the one who brought up the fact that many of the kids who played for our last 2 coaches had a me-first mentality. As opposed to CMA's kids who clearly have a team-first mentality. I see that as more of a fact, then a cheap shot.[/quote]

Press Maravich (Pete's dad) was perhaps the first showtime player in basketball, the first to shoot a jumpshot, and not surprisingly a great player in his own right who came out of the industrial leagues in coal mining western Pennsylvania. He was recruited by colleges but had dropped out of school maybe by the 8th grade to work. In order to play college, he had to earn a GED, which he did. He went on to become a college coach, definitely at LSU where he coached Pete, but also either NC State or UNC. He went on to earn both an undergraduate and graduate degree.

Press Maravich, maybe for his graduate thesis, developed a system to grade the psychological profile of players to be used during recruiting which would help assess their ability to fit into a team game, and many other aspects of playing college basketball.

Not being critical of the players we recruited or the coaches, but we all know that every kid has a handler telling him he needs to score more points, get more shots and be the star in order to get noticed by NBA scouts. I'm not going to name names, but I do not think that even CMA could have gotten some of our guys on past teams to play his style of play and not me first. But I do think he may not have recruited them at all, as talented as they were.
 
Interesting thing is we had 3 players foul out, but we were able to adjust and hold on for a victory. I hope CMA works on inbounding and moving the ball up court vs. a press. That might take 20+ points of my blood pressure.
 
[quote="Knight" post=404891]Interesting thing is we had 3 players foul out, but we were able to adjust and hold on for a victory. I hope CMA works on inbounding and moving the ball up court vs. a press. That might take 20+ points of my blood pressure.[/quote] I think Zach B was right. That's where Dunn was missed last night. I know he frustrated some people at the end of games last year, but he is a capable ballhandler. Combined with Posh, that gives you two guys who can handle it, instead of one. I generally don't like having two guys like that on the court at the same time (especially when they're around the same height), but late in games when you're ahead is a good time for it.
 
Agree with BoE, Walt had that uncanny ability to strip or steal the ball, thus Clyde!

Posh is a pale comparison but puts you in mind of the wonderful Saluki.
 
[quote="fuchsia" post=404889]Thought it was Hank Luisetti but that may have been the one-hander.[/quote]

Actually, Paul Arizin is credited as the “inventor” of the jump shot. Legend has it he started because he played primarily on a slippery floor so instead of planting his feet and loosing his footing as he shot he jumped and then released the ball.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=404883][quote="Monte" post=404846][quote="AlBovino" post=404826]Putzman saw the need to take a shot at our past coaches, Childish!!![/quote]

Come on man, is there really a need for that? And if anything, I was the one who brought up the fact that many of the kids who played for our last 2 coaches had a me-first mentality. As opposed to CMA's kids who clearly have a team-first mentality. I see that as more of a fact, then a cheap shot.[/quote]

Press Maravich (Pete's dad) was perhaps the first showtime player in basketball, the first to shoot a jumpshot, and not surprisingly a great player in his own right who came out of the industrial leagues in coal mining western Pennsylvania. He was recruited by colleges but had dropped out of school maybe by the 8th grade to work. In order to play college, he had to earn a GED, which he did. He went on to become a college coach, definitely at LSU where he coached Pete, but also either NC State or UNC. He went on to earn both an undergraduate and graduate degree.

Press Maravich, maybe for his graduate thesis, developed a system to grade the psychological profile of players to be used during recruiting which would help assess their ability to fit into a team game, and many other aspects of playing college basketball.

Not being critical of the players we recruited or the coaches, but we all know that every kid has a handler telling him he needs to score more points, get more shots and be the star in order to get noticed by NBA scouts. I'm not going to name names, but I do not think that even CMA could have gotten some of our guys on past teams to play his style of play and not me first. But I do think he may not have recruited them at all, as talented as they were.[/quote]

Press's recruiting strength as a HC was clearly to find kids who were not about the me-first philosophy or even the team-first philosophy, but rather the Pete-first philosophy lol
 
[quote="Monte" post=404922][quote="Beast of the East" post=404883][quote="Monte" post=404846][quote="AlBovino" post=404826]Putzman saw the need to take a shot at our past coaches, Childish!!![/quote]

Come on man, is there really a need for that? And if anything, I was the one who brought up the fact that many of the kids who played for our last 2 coaches had a me-first mentality. As opposed to CMA's kids who clearly have a team-first mentality. I see that as more of a fact, then a cheap shot.[/quote]

Press Maravich (Pete's dad) was perhaps the first showtime player in basketball, the first to shoot a jumpshot, and not surprisingly a great player in his own right who came out of the industrial leagues in coal mining western Pennsylvania. He was recruited by colleges but had dropped out of school maybe by the 8th grade to work. In order to play college, he had to earn a GED, which he did. He went on to become a college coach, definitely at LSU where he coached Pete, but also either NC State or UNC. He went on to earn both an undergraduate and graduate degree.

Press Maravich, maybe for his graduate thesis, developed a system to grade the psychological profile of players to be used during recruiting which would help assess their ability to fit into a team game, and many other aspects of playing college basketball.

Not being critical of the players we recruited or the coaches, but we all know that every kid has a handler telling him he needs to score more points, get more shots and be the star in order to get noticed by NBA scouts. I'm not going to name names, but I do not think that even CMA could have gotten some of our guys on past teams to play his style of play and not me first. But I do think he may not have recruited them at all, as talented as they were.[/quote]

Press's recruiting strength as a HC was clearly to find kids who were not about the me-first philosophy or even the team-first philosophy, but rather the Pete-first philosophy lol[/quote]

Pete Maravich quote I used constantly when coaching “I got by on talent. That was my fatal mistake.”
 
A few comments to add:

Champagnie scored his points within the flow of the offense and didn't force things. Williams was similar in the way he let things come to him. I think that is a product of being comfortable in the system. Hopefully, Cole and Moore settle in soon. They both force things at times.

Dunn would've helped down the stretch. He can handle the ball, hit free throws and isn't afraid. I like him better with the ball when we're up a few than when we're down a few.

Early in the second half, I was hoping Cuffe was watching. The team was having fun and it was fun to watch. Hopefully, he shut it off when we were up 20.
 
I hope the team realizes that if they play for each other they can do something special. Maybe not this year but next and the following. There doesn't seem to be many egos on this team. I like what i see so far with the passing, and unselfishness of the team. Wusu taking a charge as a freshman is something small, but its shows they are TEAM first
 
On the bright side as some have noted, the team did put together a couple of good stretches where they showed what they can become.

On the not-bright side, I thought they showed a tremendous lack of maturity and mental discipline. Up 20 they decided the game was over and let BC come roaring back. Having gotten over that and having pushed the lead back to about 14, you would think they learned their lesson but no, they proceeded to do the exact same thing in the last 3 minutes of the game.

It should be a teaching moment for Coach A so the young players learn how to stay focused for 40 minutes and to treat every opponent with respect.

Muse's point about Posh was also overlooked on this thread. In trying to play the game at speed, Posh sometimes goes over the line to careless. He's done it in all three games and gotten sloppy with the ball. Down the stretch with the lead that isn't what you're looking for. Another teaching moment for Coach A about how to play with a lead (and also to recognize that Big East level competition is different from high school and he isn't going to be able to get away with some of the sloppy ballhandling and hero-ball drives to the basket). I am confident that the development will happen, but there are some holes to be plugged there.

The pressure defense is improving but the big men are still a concern to me. Moore has not impressed me as a post defender (though he swoops in for enough rebounds to be useful) and his lack of strength with the ball going to the hoop is also a concern. Toro has been much less than advertised on both ends of the floor. Roberts has played well but he has a limited role. Earlington (as the Duke pointed out, to his credit) came into the season thinking that he was an all star perimeter scorer whereas his real skill set is junkyard dog who can hit the occasional 3 or sometimes get hot and hit a few. He needs to refocus a bit.

Williams is asserting himself a little more every game, which is what needs to happen. Wusu is a pleasure, a mini-Champagnie. Nothing needs to be said about Champagnie, hes smooth as silk out there.

From a coaching standpoint I question why Champagnie did not touch the ball (other than the block) in the last 4 minutes of the game. Too much Posh and Greg there.

And how many years do I have to watch a St John's team that has no reliable in-bounds play? Makes me nuts.

We have potential, but we have a lot of work to do to be a real contender in the BE.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=404883][quote="Monte" post=404846][quote="AlBovino" post=404826]Putzman saw the need to take a shot at our past coaches, Childish!!![/quote]

Press Maravich (Pete's dad) was perhaps the first showtime player in basketball, the first to shoot a jumpshot, and not surprisingly a great player in his own right who came out of the industrial leagues in coal mining western Pennsylvania. He was recruited by colleges but had dropped out of school maybe by the 8th grade to work. In order to play college, he had to earn a GED, which he did. He went on to become a college coach, definitely at LSU where he coached Pete, but also either NC State or UNC. He went on to earn both an undergraduate and graduate degree.

Press Maravich, maybe for his graduate thesis, developed a system to grade the psychological profile of players to be used during recruiting which would help assess their ability to fit into a team game, and many other aspects of playing college basketball.

For those who never saw Pistol Pete - he's worth checking a You Tube
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=404842][quote="Moose" post=404839][quote="Beast of the East" post=404837]This is a bad comparison, but in terms of results, Posh steals from behind remind me of Walt Frazier's ability to sneak up from behind and swipe the ball with very quick hands. Can't remember when we had someone who did that as well as Posh.[/quote]

Hatten[/quote]

Good call Moose. 3 steals per game in his time here is pretty impressive.[/quote]

 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=404864]Idk about you guys, but watching Champ last night...he reminded me of the perfect mold of a Villanova player. High IQ, well-spoken, good high character kid, may not be flying doing 360 dunks at Rucker and not the quickest, but just calm, cool collected, and can do a lot of things offensively. Never out of control, selfless. He's Jeremiah Robinson-Earl at Villanova.[/quote]

I was thinking hes similar to Robinson-Earl as well
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=404837]This is a bad comparison, but in terms of results, Posh steals from behind remind me of Walt Frazier's ability to sneak up from behind and swipe the ball with very quick hands. Can't remember when we had someone who did that as well as Posh.[/quote]

Posh has certainly shown he will rip you if you get sloppy, but Erick Barkley and Marcus Hatten should be the benchmark for SJU pilferers. Malik Sealy and Shamorie Ponds were adept as well.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=404864]Idk about you guys, but watching Champ last night...he reminded me of the perfect mold of a Villanova player. High IQ, well-spoken, good high character kid, may not be flying doing 360 dunks at Rucker and not the quickest, but just calm, cool collected, and can do a lot of things offensively. Never out of control, selfless. He's Jeremiah Robinson-Earl at Villanova.[/quote]

Just pointing this out to you. But 5 star players usually aren't what you described, and many 4 stars aren't either. I believe CMA will get his fair share of 4 stars. But I believe that when he does, they will fit the mold you described above, and we will be happy to have them.
 
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