Possible Coaching Candidates

otis said:
Prior to this season (when I relocated to Florida) I regularly attended Colgate home basketball games and had the opportunity to meet many of the players parents and athletic staff.

if you were familiar with Colgate athletics you would understand that Colgate has substantial advantages over most of its peer academic institutions it competes with for players.
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So what is your point. That anyone can win at Colgate? Why did the last coach get fired then? How about him going to the Carrier Dome the last two years and beating the daylights out of Syracuse? Does Colgate have more resources than Syracuse?

Better question, what would it take for you to consider a coach from Colgate?
 
Jack Williams said:
If they have substantial advantages why did the coach before Langel go 165-212 over 13 years
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Prior to Langel - Colgate Patriot league record (those teams they supposedly have an extreme advantage over..) was 138-142 (49%) in conf.

Langel’s first year they went 2-12.

Since then they’ve won 64% of conf. games.

Last 6 years: 81%

Took team from bottom of conf. and brought it to top, most important, has sustained it.
 
MainMan said:
True but I've seen plenty of coaches get handed the keys to a Ferrari and return a Hyundai.
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True but in this comparison jones got a Camry and is returning a souped up Camry in great shape. Langel got a Geo and returned it as…idk not a car guy, but something much nicer.

What kind of keys are we handing the next guy?
 
Amaseinyourface said:
True but in this comparison jones got a Camry and is returning a souped up Camry in great shape. Langel got a Geo and returned it as…idk not a car guy, but something much nicer.

What kind of keys are we handing the next guy?
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Bottom line is Jones has dominated his peers for 10 years.

Sustained success is often undervalued in college bball.

It's the one-shot hot-shots in the NCAA tourney that we see time and again getting the bigger jobs.
 
MainMan said:
Bottom line is Jones has dominated his peers for 10 years.

Sustained success is often undervalued in college bball.

It's the one-shot hot-shots in the NCAA tourney that we see time and again getting the bigger jobs.
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The guy that preceded Jones at Norfolk went 29-3 in conference in his last two seasons there then went on to have 5 subpar seasons at FIU and is no longer a HC or Assistant in D1. The MEAC is a low low-major. To keep with the car analogies going straight from the MEAC to the Big East is like going from a lawnmower race to the Daytona 500.
 
MainMan said:
Bottom line is Jones has dominated his peers for 10 years.

Sustained success is often undervalued in college bball.

It's the one-shot hot-shots in the NCAA tourney that we see time and again getting the bigger jobs.
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I like you am scared of one year success flash in the pan type. The sustained success that Langel has created out of nowhere is what I find more impressive. This 6 year run is more dominant than any Jones has had. And again, Jones is very impressive in his own right, being more impressed with one doesn’t diminish the other.
 
Amaseinyourface said:
I like you am scared of one year success flash in the pan type. The sustained success that Langel has created out of nowhere is what I find more impressive. This 6 year run is more dominant than any Jones has had. And again, Jones is very impressive in his own right, being more impressed with one doesn’t diminish the other.
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Becker, like Jones, inherited a strong program but also has had nothing but success. I can't see him at SJU (Langel either) as I don't have confidence either can generate the player payroll needed to win at SJU. I have no feel for Jones in that regard. Although I know there are worries about Grasso as an actual coach he intrigues me some as a person with the personality to accomplish what is needed to recruit in 2023.

Nobody is winning in the Big East with a roster of two and three-star players. And without cash if you "coach them up" they will just transfer out.
 
IDRAFT said:
Becker, like Jones, inherited a strong program but also has had nothing but success. I can't see him at SJU (Langel either) as I don't have confidence either can generate the player payroll needed to win at SJU. I have no feel for Jones in that regard. Although I know there are worries about Grasso as an actual coach he intrigues me some as a person with the personality to accomplish what is needed to recruit in 2023.

Nobody is winning in the Big East with a roster of two and three-star players. And without cash if you "coach them up" they will just transfer out.
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The recruiting question mark with all those guys is the huge risk with any of them. My counter to that is that the last two years I thought we had the talent necessary to make tourney (certainly debatable and roster construction is an issue, but overall talent don’t think it’s too far off from competing) and it was our poor coaching that hurt us as much as anything. We Havnt rolled the dice with a proven game coach for as long as I’ve been a fan. Lavin and Mullin could get the talent. Williard had the coaching chops and had figure out how to get the talent once he got the major job.

Question for you about Becker who I like just as much as the other two in terms of resume. Aren’t there some serious program issues that have happened under his watch? Issues that would probably be major discussion points if it were a major team?
 
MugCostanza said:
The guy that preceded Jones at Norfolk went 29-3 in conference in his last two seasons there then went on to have 5 subpar seasons at FIU and is no longer a HC or Assistant in D1. The MEAC is a low low-major. To keep with the car analogies going straight from the MEAC to the Big East is like going from a lawnmower race to the Daytona 500.
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Meh.
MEAC is ranked a few steps below the MAAC which has been a feeder league to our conference for decades.
It's also ranked just above the Patriot League and many here (justifiably) are throwing accolades left and right on the Colgate coach.
And I just took a peak at Norfolk State's facilities and any St. John's fan would give their left, um pinky to have them.
Jones is not my first, second or third guy. But if you're looking at HCs in smaller conferences, he should be in the discussion.
 
MainMan said:
Meh.
MEAC is ranked a few steps below the MAAC which has been a feeder league to our conference for decades.
It's also ranked just above the Patriot League and many here (justifiably) are throwing accolades left and right on the Colgate coach.
And I just took a peak at Norfolk State's facilities and any St. John's fan would give their left, um pinky to have them.
Jones is not my first, second or third guy. But if you're looking at HCs in smaller conferences, he should be in the discussion.
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So his MEAC facilities are better than a BE schools? No wonder why he’s been so successful 😉
 
Amaseinyourface said:
The recruiting question mark with all those guys is the huge risk with any of them. My counter to that is that the last two years I thought we had the talent necessary to make tourney (certainly debatable and roster construction is an issue, but overall talent don’t think it’s too far off from competing) and it was our poor coaching that hurt us as much as anything. We Havnt rolled the dice with a proven game coach for as long as I’ve been a fan. Lavin and Mullin could get the talent. Williard had the coaching chops and had figure out how to get the talent once he got the major job.

Question for you about Becker who I like just as much as the other two in terms of resume. Aren’t there some serious program issues that have happened under his watch? Issues that would probably be major discussion points if it were a major team?
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There was a situation with a player not being suspended who was accused of assault, about five years ago. It being Vermont, there wasn't much information about whether or not Becker, or even the player, was actually out of line on a national level. I want to be clear I'm not saying either/both weren't. Safe to say anyone interviewing him would include a discussion of it.
 
Langel is a darn good coach. Some concerns making the jump from the Patriot League, but would be a real solid hire. Would need someone like Van Macon as lead recruiter. Jones, I have reservations on. He took over a winning program and the previous coach there went to one of the Florida schools and struggled. Think we need someone who has built a program.
 
Section3 said:
Wright was a real deal at the time. . .IF Jarvis left, Manetta wanted him but there was internal pushback…SJ President told Ed to hire best candidate irrespective of internal pressures , unfortunately, Jarvis overplayed his hand with Wizards and th Ernest is histoy
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Well get a load of that huh. ".IF Jarvis left, Manetta wanted him but there was internal pushback" Isn't that some BS.

Here's an idea, fire everyone on the BOT, and start from scrap.
Amaseinyourface said:
We will need patience with anyone other than the 2-3 sure fire options that we don’t seem confident will be the choice. Colgate was a crap spot when he showed up and it was his first head coaching job. Of course it was gonna take time. Agree 6 years is a long time and he won’t get that here.

Jones has done extremely well but he also took the reigns from a successful coach and successful program while also being a part of the program as AC for years prior, there was much less change for him.
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Yeah, with SJU we'll be needing patience for every coach they hire until we die.
I'm done with patience at SJU. I'm demanding a top notch winner.
 
MainMan said:
Meh.
MEAC is ranked a few steps below the MAAC which has been a feeder league to our conference for decades.
It's also ranked just above the Patriot League and many here (justifiably) are throwing accolades left and right on the Colgate coach.
And I just took a peak at Norfolk State's facilities and any St. John's fan would give their left, um pinky to have them.
Jones is not my first, second or third guy. But if you're looking at HCs in smaller conferences, he should be in the discussion.
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The MEAC is not above the Patriot League. The Patriot League isn't strong but the MEAC is one of the 2 or 3 worst conferences in D1
 
MugCostanza said:
The guy that preceded Jones at Norfolk went 29-3 in conference in his last two seasons there then went on to have 5 subpar seasons at FIU and is no longer a HC or Assistant in D1. The MEAC is a low low-major. To keep with the car analogies going straight from the MEAC to the Big East is like going from a lawnmower race to the Daytona 500.
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Jones would not be an upgrade.
 
SJU85 said:
Jones would not be an upgrade.
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For me, Jones would be palatable through a highly specific scenario: Paying him a lot more than he currently makes to be assistant to a Pitino with the understanding that he'd have a leg up in the next job search six years from now.

But we don't have the money for that, ego may prevent that, and Pitino might not even know him.

I think I've said it before that I wouldn't be shocked if Jones were to be on a list, but if he ends up as coach here, we whiffed on multiple candidates.
 
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