Ponds

[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=285808]Ponds is certainly getting a chance to showcase his Game before several NBA teams . He should regard it as a learning experience and get the Pro feedback . The wise decision would be to return for 1 more Season..[/quote]

Why would that be the wise decision?
 
[quote="fordham96" post=285828][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=285808]Ponds is certainly getting a chance to showcase his Game before several NBA teams . He should regard it as a learning experience and get the Pro feedback . The wise decision would be to return for 1 more Season..[/quote]

Why would that be the wise decision?[/quote]

SlyFox is stating the obvious obviously. That's why and the fact that an NBA guy that knows him best knows he is nowhere near ready for the NBA grind.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=285840][quote="fordham96" post=285828][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=285808]Ponds is certainly getting a chance to showcase his Game before several NBA teams . He should regard it as a learning experience and get the Pro feedback . The wise decision would be to return for 1 more Season..[/quote]

Why would that be the wise decision?[/quote]

SlyFox is stating the obvious obviously. That's why and the fact that an NBA guy that knows him best knows he is nowhere near ready for the NBA grind.[/quote]

Really you have a poll that says all this.

Can you share it with us? You also know for a fact that he will improve his pro status by coming back next year? Can you share with us the scouts that have gone on record to say that.

Here is what I know. I know I am not Shamorie Ponds. I know I am not the one working out and talking to teams. I know I am not the one who wants to be able to provide for my family.

Ponds needs to do what's best for Ponds and if that means come back great, if that means go pro great. I don't substitute my own selfish fandom with "what's best for Ponds." He's earned that and at the end of the day it is he not you or I that will live the consequences.
 
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[quote="fordham96" post=285828][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=285808]Ponds is certainly getting a chance to showcase his Game before several NBA teams . He should regard it as a learning experience and get the Pro feedback . The wise decision would be to return for 1 more Season..[/quote]

Why would that be the wise decision?[/quote]

Because there is more to learn and work on. He's in a great situation for him with playing time and attention to getting stronger.
 
[quote="Knight" post=285850][quote="fordham96" post=285828][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=285808]Ponds is certainly getting a chance to showcase his Game before several NBA teams . He should regard it as a learning experience and get the Pro feedback . The wise decision would be to return for 1 more Season..[/quote]

Why would that be the wise decision?[/quote]

Because there is more to learn and work on. He's in a great situation for him with playing time and attention to getting stronger.[/quote]

Says who? You? What if he disagrees? He has more to learn, when do you not have more to learn?

I love all of these amateur scouts and psychologists.
 
Fordham - I agree with you in that what is best for Ponds is a matter of what he and those whose opinion he values think is best for him.

That said, like all message boards, this forum contains plenty of viewpoints on what is "best" or the "better option" for players or coaches, whether that be recruits, current players, staff members, potential staff members, etc. I don't see any issue with folks here, in their opinion as a fan, thinking that the kid will benefit from another year in college based on what they've read and heard.

My own view is that if he's a first round pick he should leave. If he is not going to get drafted he should stay and play himself into the first round next year, which based on mock drafts it seems he has a chance to do. The difference in guaranteed versus non-guaranteed money is huge for any kid. If he was pegged an early second round pick with guaranteed money it would be a tougher call. Late second round I'd say still come back and try to get yourself into the guaranteed money.
 
This is a SJU fan website so we naturally all have opinions on this topic. No one opinion is definitively right or wrong and should Ponds decide to leave, we all wish him the best, even those of us who think that Shamorie will likely benefit by staying one more year.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=285849][quote="Class of 72" post=285840][quote="fordham96" post=285828][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=285808]Ponds is certainly getting a chance to showcase his Game before several NBA teams . He should regard it as a learning experience and get the Pro feedback . The wise decision would be to return for 1 more Season..[/quote]

Why would that be the wise decision?[/quote]

SlyFox is stating the obvious obviously. That's why and the fact that an NBA guy that knows him best knows he is nowhere near ready for the NBA grind.[/quote]

Really you have a poll that says all this.

Can you share it with us? You also know for a fact that he will improve his pro status by coming back next year? Can you share with us the scouts that have gone on record to say that.

Here is what I know. I know I am not Shamorie Ponds. I know I am not the one working out and talking to teams. I know I am not the one who wants to be able to provide for my family.

Ponds needs to do what's best for Ponds and if that means come back great, if that means go pro great. I don't substitute my own selfish fandom with "what's best for Ponds." He's earned that and at the end of the day it is he not you or I that will live the consequences.[/quote]

WHY would I need a poll to question Chris Mullin's professional opinion that Shamorie Ponds, his player, is not going to be a first round NBA Draft pick??
Chris could have easily asked Golden State to give him a look. He did not. Mullin is not on board with Ponds leaving if he is not drafted. It has nothing to do with having to provide for his family.
As for you, when you say " I know I am not the one who wants to be able to provide for my family", you should be ashamed of yourself!;)
Other than being left off the combine lists and the fact that those who have watched his game closely don't think he is draft ready this year, his freedom to do as he pleases is the only thing you got right.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=285854]This is a SJU fan website so we naturally all have opinions on this topic. No one opinion is definitively right or wrong and should Ponds decide to leave, we all wish him the best, even those of us who think that Shamorie will likely benefit by staying one more year.[/quote]

In the ideal world Shamorie Ponds should stay all 4 years, get his degree, and then see if, as a mature 22 year old, he can secure a nice paying pro contract. It would be a good example to kids coming up out of Brownsville/East New York.
It's not like he has a 1 year old daughter like Anthony Glover did (who graduated) or a family on welfare.
But hoops dreams sometimes clouds reality and the real world materializes when you are playing not in The L.A. Forum but in Helsinki, Finland.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=285828][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=285808]Ponds is certainly getting a chance to showcase his Game before several NBA teams . He should regard it as a learning experience and get the Pro feedback . The wise decision would be to return for 1 more Season..[/quote]

Why would that be the wise decision?[/quote] Because he wasn’t invited to an NBA draft combine and NBA scouts say he isn’t ready.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=285869][quote="fordham96" post=285828][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=285808]Ponds is certainly getting a chance to showcase his Game before several NBA teams . He should regard it as a learning experience and get the Pro feedback . The wise decision would be to return for 1 more Season..[/quote]

Why would that be the wise decision?[/quote] Because he wasn’t invited to an NBA draft combine and NBA scouts say he isn’t ready.[/quote]

They did, which ones? Can you tell me which ones? Let me guess the ones that say so, do they double as SJU fans?

Please stop kidding yourself. The biggest reason you want him to come back is not because you think he will improve his draft status after another year, you have no idea plus he can still play professionally somewhere else. You want him to come back because you want SJU to be good next year, him improving his draft status is an ancillary benefit for you but you have zero skin in that game.I

Let me ask you and anyone else if Ponds comes back and gets seriously hurt will you donate your salary to him?
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=285867][
WHY would I need a poll to question Chris Mullin's professional opinion that Shamorie Ponds, his player, is not going to be a first round NBA Draft pick??
Chris could have easily asked Golden State to give him a look. He did not. Mullin is not on board with Ponds leaving if he is not drafted. [/quote]

I'm sorry, do you know any of this for fact? Honestly wondering.
 
[quote="austour" post=285871][quote="Class of 72" post=285867][
WHY would I need a poll to question Chris Mullin's professional opinion that Shamorie Ponds, his player, is not going to be a first round NBA Draft pick??
Chris could have easily asked Golden State to give him a look. He did not. Mullin is not on board with Ponds leaving if he is not drafted. [/quote]

I'm sorry, do you know any of this for fact? Honestly wondering.[/quote]

Yes, I know for a fact.
That aside, could you, Fordham guy, or anyone else name a coach who would advise his player to drop out of college if he is not going to be drafted in his chosen profession?
Does Slick want to play pro ball in the worst way.....yes! If a talent like Ponds subsequently ends up playing in Palookaville will Fordham make up the difference from his $40 000 salary to pay for his car payments?
I think not.
 
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I don't know what size contract he might get in Europe, but let's say $300K per year? That may be what he ends up deciding. We as fans don't like that but it would have been a great fallback for me at 21.

He is making a decision for his family, decisions that likely not many of us can comprehend.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=285874][quote="austour" post=285871][quote="Class of 72" post=285867][
WHY would I need a poll to question Chris Mullin's professional opinion that Shamorie Ponds, his player, is not going to be a first round NBA Draft pick??
Chris could have easily asked Golden State to give him a look. He did not. Mullin is not on board with Ponds leaving if he is not drafted. [/quote]

I'm sorry, do you know any of this for fact? Honestly wondering.[/quote]

Yes, I know for a fact.
That aside, could you, Fordham guy, or anyone else name a coach who would advise his player to drop out of college if he is not going to be drafted in his chosen profession?
Does Slick want to play pro ball in the worst way.....yes! If a talent like Ponds subsequently ends up playing in Palookaville will Fordham make up the difference from his $40 000 salary to pay for his car payments?
I think not.[/quote]

As I said I was honestly wondering if you knew that for fact, now I'm wondering how but that's not important. I do agree that if Ponds doesn't want to get passport and nothing shocking comes out of these tryouts a return would make sense. If he wants to make low six figures tax free with expenses paid overseas then maybe not so much. Staying a year is not guaranteed to get him drafted either so there's that.
 
[quote="OhioFan" post=285876]I don't know what size contract he might get in Europe, but let's say $300K per year? That may be what he ends up deciding. We as fans don't like that but it would have been a great fallback for me at 21.

He is making a decision for his family, decisions that likely not many of us can comprehend.[/quote]

Yes, you are correct in that in Europe and China salaries can be easily in the 6 figure range for top players. Former NBA stars can easily get close to half a million.
That said, Shamorie Ponds will not be bargaining from any position of strength as he has not shown a complete game in college and hundreds of other players across the world are competing for a spot on the top clubs overseas.
In short, leaving is a gamble. He is obviously free to do so but if leaving to play for $40-50,000 overseas is helping his family then they should have a discussion with his dad, who doesn't think he needs to leave this year. That's not speculation. The salaries I mention above will certainly not help him, let alone his family.
 
[quote="austour" post=285877][quote="Class of 72" post=285874][quote="austour" post=285871][quote="Class of 72" post=285867][
WHY would I need a poll to question Chris Mullin's professional opinion that Shamorie Ponds, his player, is not going to be a first round NBA Draft pick??
Chris could have easily asked Golden State to give him a look. He did not. Mullin is not on board with Ponds leaving if he is not drafted. [/quote]

I'm sorry, do you know any of this for fact? Honestly wondering.[/quote]

Yes, I know for a fact.
That aside, could you, Fordham guy, or anyone else name a coach who would advise his player to drop out of college if he is not going to be drafted in his chosen profession?
Does Slick want to play pro ball in the worst way.....yes! If a talent like Ponds subsequently ends up playing in Palookaville will Fordham make up the difference from his $40 000 salary to pay for his car payments?
I think not.[/quote]

As I said I was honestly wondering if you knew that for fact, now I'm wondering how but that's not important. I do agree that if Ponds doesn't want to get passport and nothing shocking comes out of these tryouts a return would make sense. If he wants to make low six figures tax free with expenses paid overseas then maybe not so much. Staying a year is not guaranteed to get him drafted either so there's that.[/quote]

You can PM me if you want to how.
 
[quote="OhioFan" post=285876]I don't know what size contract he might get in Europe, but let's say $300K per year? That may be what he ends up deciding. We as fans don't like that but it would have been a great fallback for me at

He is making a decision for his family, decisions that likely not many of us can comprehend.[/quote]

I agree Ohio. If he could get 300k/yr for 3-4 yrs, he should take it.
But most of the buzz I hear on this Board--okay guesses--opines the leagues he'd play in would not be top tier and neither would be the contract.
But who knows?
 
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I haven't read anything from either Shamorie or his family that would suggest he is interested in leaving school this year to play overseas. Everything I've read is consistent with a fierce desire to play in the NBA. It does not sound like he is totally convinced that cannot happen this year and wants to give it his best shot to click with one of the teams he is working out for. I could be totally wrong but I think if by May 30th he has become convinced he will not be first round (or at worst high second round) pick, he will be back. We'll see soon enough. Respect their decision whatever it is.
 
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