Ponds
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I don't believe Ponds should go pro, but if that's what he really wants to do, he should just do it. Hopefully he can handle the consequences of his decision. My concern, should he listen to his father and return, is that his heart won't be in it, and he may wind up hurting team chemistry if his mindset is merely to prove his pro-worthiness.
Ponds Height disparity is really starting to show in these NBA workouts. I wonder what kind of evaluations he would have received if he were a legit 6'3-6'4 guard. I think he has the skills to be a meaningful NBA player someday, I hope the physical measurements don't hinder him to much.
[quote="Paultzman" post=285786]When a kid wants to go pro, but dad feels he should wait a year, it makes the conversation interesting.[/quote]
Im sure being around these NBA teams and even getting to wear thre uniforms only makes Shamorie want to be a part of that sooner than later. Hopefully he makes the right decision based on the info he's getting.
Im sure being around these NBA teams and even getting to wear thre uniforms only makes Shamorie want to be a part of that sooner than later. Hopefully he makes the right decision based on the info he's getting.
How is Shamorie relationship with his father? I’ve seen multiple interviews in which he always thanks his mother and grandmother, but rarely brings up his father.
I remember reading his ny post interview where he was asked about the two people he would take to a special event and he said his mother and grandmother.
I thought that was weird.
I remember reading his ny post interview where he was asked about the two people he would take to a special event and he said his mother and grandmother.
I thought that was weird.
[quote="alexander salem" post=285788]Ponds Height disparity is really starting to show in these NBA workouts. I wonder what kind of evaluations he would have received if he were a legit 6'3-6'4 guard. I think he has the skills to be a meaningful NBA player someday, I hope the physical measurements don't hinder him to much.[/quote]
Love Ponds, but clearly size & strength are not positives at this point. Additionally, he is still not a good defender, probably an even bigger impediment imo. Reminds me of Nick Van Exel a bit, so hopefully, with another year of maturing, he could have the same type career.
Love Ponds, but clearly size & strength are not positives at this point. Additionally, he is still not a good defender, probably an even bigger impediment imo. Reminds me of Nick Van Exel a bit, so hopefully, with another year of maturing, he could have the same type career.
Ponds' social media presence is definitely revealing. He wants the NBA bad and I can understand that. I think his return is now 50/50.
As for what's best.......it doesn't appear that he is going to secure a substantial rookie contract. Barring a serious injury, the opportunity he has now will exist next Spring with a chance to get much better. The difference between 1st round money and the 2nd round or undrafted grind is huge.
If he leaves this year, I predict a path similar to SIr' Dominic who was drafted in the 2nd round and is now playing overseas. Not bad, but Ponds does have a chance to move into a much better position next year.
As for what's best.......it doesn't appear that he is going to secure a substantial rookie contract. Barring a serious injury, the opportunity he has now will exist next Spring with a chance to get much better. The difference between 1st round money and the 2nd round or undrafted grind is huge.
If he leaves this year, I predict a path similar to SIr' Dominic who was drafted in the 2nd round and is now playing overseas. Not bad, but Ponds does have a chance to move into a much better position next year.
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=285796]Ponds' social media presence is definitely revealing. He wants the NBA bad and I can understand that. I think his return is now 50/50.
As for what's best.......it doesn't appear that he is going to secure a substantial rookie contract. Barring a serious injury, the opportunity he has now will exist next Spring with a chance to get much better. The difference between 1st round money and the 2nd round or undrafted grind is huge.
If he leaves this year, I predict a path similar to SIr' Dominic who was drafted in the 2nd round and is now playing overseas. Not bad, but Ponds does have a chance to move into a much better position next year.[/quote]
Man it would be such a shame to see him leave this year only to inevitably end up overseas. We need him and he needs us for another year, it's so obvious. Plus, we need him in the NBA because of the exposure it would give our program. Having him overseas is a tough blow.
As for what's best.......it doesn't appear that he is going to secure a substantial rookie contract. Barring a serious injury, the opportunity he has now will exist next Spring with a chance to get much better. The difference between 1st round money and the 2nd round or undrafted grind is huge.
If he leaves this year, I predict a path similar to SIr' Dominic who was drafted in the 2nd round and is now playing overseas. Not bad, but Ponds does have a chance to move into a much better position next year.[/quote]
Man it would be such a shame to see him leave this year only to inevitably end up overseas. We need him and he needs us for another year, it's so obvious. Plus, we need him in the NBA because of the exposure it would give our program. Having him overseas is a tough blow.
L J S A
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[quote="Paultzman" post=285786]When a kid wants to go pro, but dad feels he should wait a year, it makes the conversation interesting.[/quote]
First name I always think of in this scenario is Quentin Richardson. He wanted to leave after one season. His dad made it very clear that he disagreed. Said something to the effect of "We haven't had a lot of money all our lives, one more year won't make a difference."
Richardson played 13 years in NBA. We'll never know if it would have been a shorter career by skipping his sophomore year, but I'm inclined to believe staying helped.
At Ponds' size, it will be tough to find a place that will give him a chance to be a star. But if gaining as much experience now helps him carve out an instant offense role off the bench for 15 seasons, he'll make money that will support multiple generations of Pondses.
First name I always think of in this scenario is Quentin Richardson. He wanted to leave after one season. His dad made it very clear that he disagreed. Said something to the effect of "We haven't had a lot of money all our lives, one more year won't make a difference."
Richardson played 13 years in NBA. We'll never know if it would have been a shorter career by skipping his sophomore year, but I'm inclined to believe staying helped.
At Ponds' size, it will be tough to find a place that will give him a chance to be a star. But if gaining as much experience now helps him carve out an instant offense role off the bench for 15 seasons, he'll make money that will support multiple generations of Pondses.
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[quote="Room112" post=285790][quote="Paultzman" post=285786]When a kid wants to go pro, but dad feels he should wait a year, it makes the conversation interesting.[/quote]
Im sure being around these NBA teams and even getting to wear thre uniforms only makes Shamorie want to be a part of that sooner than later. Hopefully he makes the right decision based on the info he's getting.[/quote]
The information he is getting is he is not ready. It is not registering just as it didn't for his friend Marcus LoVett. Just because you dress like an NBA player hang with NBA players, drive an NBA car, doesn't make you an NBA player.
The G league or Europe will not move his game one inch closer than a year of college but when you eat and sleep with a basketball in your hands it's hard to get up for Biology class.
Im sure being around these NBA teams and even getting to wear thre uniforms only makes Shamorie want to be a part of that sooner than later. Hopefully he makes the right decision based on the info he's getting.[/quote]
The information he is getting is he is not ready. It is not registering just as it didn't for his friend Marcus LoVett. Just because you dress like an NBA player hang with NBA players, drive an NBA car, doesn't make you an NBA player.
The G league or Europe will not move his game one inch closer than a year of college but when you eat and sleep with a basketball in your hands it's hard to get up for Biology class.
JohnnyFever
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Really hope Ponds makes the sensible decision and does not want instant gratification. He has to realize that even though he's among the better players in college hoops, he will be in the G-League and even succeeding there is pretty rare. Even if you make it that far, you barely crack an NBA bench. Then if you still succeed maybe you get more minutes then maybe even start. He's a very good player, but the NBA has freaks. It's not like he's 6'6 shooting 42% from 3. He'd easily get his chance in the top 10 if not better and would crack an NBA roster from day one. But he's barely 6 ft and some would even argue 5'11. Plus his 3PT shooting was horrendous last year. Yes he had injuries, but still 25% or whatever it was from 3 in college is very poor. I know he can play much better but he has to show us. He's the perfect example of a kid who clearly needs 1 more year and if he takes over can be a big name nationally and may even sneak into the end of the 1st round. It's exciting to wear the uniform but I hope everyone's telling him to wait...his time will come, it's very close. Would hate to see him go undrafted, sign with a team and then float around the G-League and fall off the map. Yes he's risking injury by staying but who isn't risking something in life every day?
Ponds is certainly getting a chance to showcase his Game before several NBA teams . He should regard it as a learning experience and get the Pro feedback . The wise decision would be to return for 1 more Season. Put forth the best Numbers he can and lead the Team to a Tourney spot . I think he could be BE Player of the Year and a candidate for the Wooden and National Player of the year . He could have a year like Brunson just had . He has disadvantages in his Size and Frame that the NBA doesn’t favor . He isn’t going to grow and his Frame doesn’t look like he can bulk up very much either . Going Pro , other than giving him self satisfaction, would likely result in a European or D league career , from which most don’t get to theNBA . Better he rack up a big year and take his chances next Spring . I am sure Shamorie has no problems with Biology class or any Class and that won’t impair his Game . Despite the opinions expressed by the limited , Mullin and Richmond know a lot about Basketball , the NBA and what it takes to get and stay there . Ponds and his Family have not given 1 iota of displeasure with Mullin and Staff and seemingly value both, Chris and Mitch’s input .
Intwresting there was No Golden St. workout.
Would figure Mullin would have pull to make that happen.
Hope he doesn't get too attached to NBA jersey. More than likely he'd be wearing a Maine Red Claws jersey or some other remote location g league gear.
One more year tearing up Big East w/ national attention would be my vote if he was my child.
Would figure Mullin would have pull to make that happen.
Hope he doesn't get too attached to NBA jersey. More than likely he'd be wearing a Maine Red Claws jersey or some other remote location g league gear.
One more year tearing up Big East w/ national attention would be my vote if he was my child.
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JohnnyFan wrote: Ponds' social media presence is definitely revealing. He wants the NBA bad and I can understand that. I think his return is now 50/50.
As for what's best.......it doesn't appear that he is going to secure a substantial rookie contract. Barring a serious injury, the opportunity he has now will exist next Spring with a chance to get much better. The difference between 1st round money and the 2nd round or undrafted grind is huge.
If he leaves this year, I predict a path similar to SIr' Dominic who was drafted in the 2nd round and is now playing overseas. Not bad, but Ponds does have a chance to move into a much better position next year.
Johnny Fan, great post, couldn't agree more. I took a look at NBA rosters and the good news for Shamorie is there are about 30 players on NBA rosters listed at 6'1 or less of whom 11 were drafted in the first round including: Chris Paul 4th, Kemba Walker 9th, DJ Augustin 9th, Trey Burke 9th, Brandon Jennings 10th, Dennis Schroder 17th, Eric Bledsoe 18th, Ty Lawson 18th, Jameer Nelson 20th, Kyle Lowry 24th & Aaron Brooks 26th. What most of these guys share is having great years with NCAA tourney teams (Jennings was an exception but was a high school phenom who went to China to play before the draft and Schroder played in Europe). Just a little more evidence that staying one more year where he can improve his defense and three point shooting with what should be an NCAA ready team can pay dividends for Shamorie.
As for what's best.......it doesn't appear that he is going to secure a substantial rookie contract. Barring a serious injury, the opportunity he has now will exist next Spring with a chance to get much better. The difference between 1st round money and the 2nd round or undrafted grind is huge.
If he leaves this year, I predict a path similar to SIr' Dominic who was drafted in the 2nd round and is now playing overseas. Not bad, but Ponds does have a chance to move into a much better position next year.
Johnny Fan, great post, couldn't agree more. I took a look at NBA rosters and the good news for Shamorie is there are about 30 players on NBA rosters listed at 6'1 or less of whom 11 were drafted in the first round including: Chris Paul 4th, Kemba Walker 9th, DJ Augustin 9th, Trey Burke 9th, Brandon Jennings 10th, Dennis Schroder 17th, Eric Bledsoe 18th, Ty Lawson 18th, Jameer Nelson 20th, Kyle Lowry 24th & Aaron Brooks 26th. What most of these guys share is having great years with NCAA tourney teams (Jennings was an exception but was a high school phenom who went to China to play before the draft and Schroder played in Europe). Just a little more evidence that staying one more year where he can improve his defense and three point shooting with what should be an NCAA ready team can pay dividends for Shamorie.
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I'm biased as a SJU fan, but I don't think it'd be smart to go pro this year. I'd say he should stay in school no matter what college he's attending. If he has a good year in school, then he'd start his NBA career in a much better position. Not really much to add to that.
[quote="Sju grad 13" post=285792]How is Shamorie relationship with his father? I’ve seen multiple interviews in which he always thanks his mother and grandmother, but rarely brings up his father.
I remember reading his ny post interview where he was asked about the two people he would take to a special event and he said his mother and grandmother.
I thought that was weird.[/quote]
Great post, Sju grad 13. It seems clear he's getting advice to work on his game one more year in college and enter the draft next year.
But a 19 yr old kid seldom thinks with the gray matter--it's the dreams that often prevail.
Here's hoping, his mother and grandmother feel the same way as Shamorie's dad--and it's the family that advises the kid they love to be mature and bust out next year as a rising star.
I remember reading his ny post interview where he was asked about the two people he would take to a special event and he said his mother and grandmother.
I thought that was weird.[/quote]
Great post, Sju grad 13. It seems clear he's getting advice to work on his game one more year in college and enter the draft next year.
But a 19 yr old kid seldom thinks with the gray matter--it's the dreams that often prevail.
Here's hoping, his mother and grandmother feel the same way as Shamorie's dad--and it's the family that advises the kid they love to be mature and bust out next year as a rising star.
JohnnyFever
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I really hope that these NBA coaches/execs are telling him that kids like him come in everyday thinking they are NBA ready and need to be prepared to be told they are assigned to a G-League team. Just because they let you wear a cool Lakers jersey doesn't mean you will ever play for the Lakers...you can stay in the G-League and end up overseas. His best shot of earning an NBA bench role and sticking (or more) is to get more hype next year and make tons of noise like Trae Young did at Oklahoma. Then he can get into the late 1st round. Someone kindly remind him that our 3rd all time scorer ever in 100+ years of hoops (D'Lo) is playing overseas. Again, nothing wrong with that he's doing very well, but if the NBA is your major dream, leaving early is the worst way to accomplish it.