Pitino and Iona

[quote="dee" post=382208][quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=382185][quote="dee" post=382157][quote="panther2" post=382093]Yes, it is true that a lot of schools probably pay players so Pitino is no better or worse that other coaches.

However, anyone who would have sex with a supposed friend and subordinate's wife on a table in a restaurant has absolutely no moral integrity and should not be placed in a position where he is a Role Model to young men.

I have absolutely no idea how any rational thinking person can defend Pitino's behavior in this instance. If he was your friend, and she was your wife, would you want him coaching your son???[/quote]

Even Jesus forgave prostitutes and sinners. I guess you are greater than god. You guys are hypocrites[/quote]

Jesus never forgave a shady basketball coach with deep dark clouds following him everywhere he went, further it’s troublesome how often Rick
Pitino has jumped from
One program to another.
Now he regrets
Leaving Providence. His true love is Iona. So he can be faithful to his family. Yeah right. How long before - if successful - he departs Iona for his next ideal job.[/quote]

Yes and I'm hoping his next stop is st johns[/quote]

You know dee you have been absent all season. Let me inform you what transpired during that time. During the past 10.5 months our new AD hired a basketball coach with an excellent winning record. He in turn hired an excellent staff. He ré-recruited our top 2 players who could have gone to almost any other school in the country. He then started a work out program with the few remaining players, with few being the key word. He went out and signed a 3 star pg, as we had none, a fifth year pg, a freshman forward who was going to prep for a year who was on no ones radar of significance, and an injured jc power forward / Center. Returning veteran big man Keita quickly realized that this new gruelling regime was not for him and hit the road. It took Eli Wright a little longer to réalise that CMA was not going to tolerate his crap and he too left Queens for alternate pastures. During that time a small shooting guard from Brooklyn left power house Cleveland State and enrolled at St. John’s.
Notwithstanding that the freshman pg never played a game as a result of injuries, that our best player was injured for the better part of the season until he could play no more, our new coach and staff managed to beat ranked teams like Arizona , West Virginia, Creighton and win 17.5 games. We had zero drama for the first time in ages, no bad behaviour, no one failed out to our knowledge, we recruited a very solid class for 2020-2021, and have had a ton of contact with members of the 2021, 2022 and 2023 recruiting classes, our coach was present at every recruiting event, every local civic event and the team had its highest gpa in years.
If I missed anything else of significance , other than the astounding development of Earlington, Williams, Roberts and Champagnie, the improved play of Dunn, Rutherford and Caraher, I apologize to the committed fans of the program.
It really is too bad for you that you missed all of the above dee but that is your loss. In addition, many members of the board were there for others who have gone through extreme illness and difficult family situations this past season and provided prayer and good wishes for those in need. But once again you missed out dee.
I strongly suggest that you take an extended break and come back once St. John’s has signed Rick Pitino as it’s next coach.
We will probably all be better off.
 
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Iona as a rehab stint to get back into circulation, kinda like Harvey Weinstein telling his board he was going into sex addiction rehab, or Ben Affleck going into alcohol rehab. Interesting and his Larry Bown-like wandering will cause him to seek a higher profile gig.

He won't be happy with 3,000 seat arenas and not a lot of press coverage.

Can wait for Fat Mike to give his take, they are probably horse buddies.
 
[quote="BrookJersey Redmen" post=382222]

He won't be happy with 3,000 seat arenas and not a lot of press coverage.[/quote]

He's Pitino. He will get a lot of press coverage.
 
[quote="panther2" post=382111]Another reason that I feel he does not deserve another shot, is what he allowed to happen to Andre McGee who started as a GA at Louisville. He was the GA and DOB while the stripper stuff was going on. No way does he have the money to finance this. Pitino claiming ignorance just does not fly.[/quote]

This in my opinion is the worst thing he did.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=382220][quote="dee" post=382208][quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=382185][quote="dee" post=382157][quote="panther2" post=382093]Yes, it is true that a lot of schools probably pay players so Pitino is no better or worse that other coaches.

However, anyone who would have sex with a supposed friend and subordinate's wife on a table in a restaurant has absolutely no moral integrity and should not be placed in a position where he is a Role Model to young men.

I have absolutely no idea how any rational thinking person can defend Pitino's behavior in this instance. If he was your friend, and she was your wife, would you want him coaching your son???[/quote]

Even Jesus forgave prostitutes and sinners. I guess you are greater than god. You guys are hypocrites[/quote]

Jesus never forgave a shady basketball coach with deep dark clouds following him everywhere he went, further it’s troublesome how often Rick
Pitino has jumped from
One program to another.
Now he regrets
Leaving Providence. His true love is Iona. So he can be faithful to his family. Yeah right. How long before - if successful - he departs Iona for his next ideal job.[/quote]

Yes and I'm hoping his next stop is st johns[/quote]

You know dee you have been absent all season. Let me inform you what transpired during that time. During the past 10.5 months our new AD hired a basketball coach with an excellent winning record. He in turn hired an excellent staff. He ré-recruited our top 2 players who could have gone to almost any other school in the country. He then started a work out program with the few remaining players, with few being the key word. He went out and signed a 3 star pg, as we had none, a fifth year pg, a freshman forward who was going to prep for a year who was on no ones radar of significance, and an injured jc power forward / Center. Returning veteran big man Keita quickly realized that this new gruelling regime was not for him and hit the road. It took Eli Wright a little longer to réalise that CMA was not going to tolerate his crap and he too left Queens for alternate pastures. During that time a small shooting guard from Brooklyn left power house Cleveland State and enrolled at St. John’s.
Notwithstanding that the freshman pg never played a game as a result of injuries, that our best player was injured for the better part of the season until he could play no more, our new coach and staff managed to beat ranked teams like Arizona , West Virginia, Creighton and win 17.5 games. We had zero drama for the first time in ages, no bad behaviour, no one failed out to our knowledge, we recruited a very solid class for 2020-2021, and have had a ton of contact with members of the 2021, 2022 and 2023 recruiting classes, our coach was present at every recruiting event, every local civic event and the team had its highest gpa in years.
If I missed anything else of significance , other than the astounding development of Earlington, Williams, Roberts and Champagnie, the improved play of Dunn, Rutherford and Caraher, I apologize to the committed fans of the program.
It really is too bad for you that you missed all of the above dee but that is your loss. In addition, many members of the board were there for others who have gone through extreme illness and difficult family situations this past season and provided prayer and good wishes for those in need. But once again you missed out dee.
I strongly suggest that you take an extended break and come back once St. John’s has signed Rick Pitino as it’s next coach.
We will probably all be better off.[/quote]

Well I have posted just not that often. I have watched most of the games and attended my share. I was even at mohegan sun. Were you there? CMA did okay. I thought he made some silly coaching mistakes. The one that comes to mind was early on in a game where LJ had sat on the bench for most of the 2nd half he put him back in with about 15 seconds In the game to take the last shot. Overall i wont deny i was surprised we had a better than 500 season. All of that being said we blew it last year by not going after Pitino. I'll take Pitino any day of the week over CMA.
 
[quote="dee" post=382241]

........ CMA did okay ...... [/quote]
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If given the roster turn over, new players, injuries and the like you believe that Coach Anderson only did “okay” this season then there is not a whole lot I can say.

IMO Anderson did a great job of installing a new system and culture while dealing with the aforementioned issues.
 
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Dee, please stop invoking the Jesus comparison. It's foolish -- and besides, Jesus may have forgiven prostitutes, but there's no mention of him forgiving their pimps, which is what Pitino's staff were ... and him as well.
 
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I'm admittedly a creature of corporate America, but there is no question that the two companies I spent my career working for would never even consider hiring someone with Pitino's track record no matter how successful he'd been as a CEO. For some, morality does matter. CMA makes me proud to be a Johnnie fan and even if we make the dance a couple of times less over 10 years than we would have with slick Rick, that is a small price to pay for a program to be proud of imho.
 
[quote="dee" post=382241] I'll take Pitino any day of the week over CMA.[/quote]

Would you also take Matt Doherty over Anderson?
 
I don't think CMA should have much trouble in out-recruiting Pitino. Fan base, facilities, exposure, Big East Conference, NYC, MSG... On the flip side is Pitino's sordid past. A leopard doesn't change its spots.
 
This will be an interesting experiment for those, like me, wondering if sheer star power as a coach can land players to a low key school and basketball program. I am sure in my weaker moments, the fan in me would have liked Pitino as head coach. However, the person in me would be ashamed that any part of me wanted someone with this much baggage. St. John's as been through enough, much of it due to some bad apples that played here and took the program right down with themselves. Ultimately, it is a university and not just a basketball program.

Winning with CMA will be so much sweeter because it will have been earned through hard work by a staff and a team worth cheering for.
 
[quote="Moose" post=382139][quote="newsman13" post=382117]Mullin/Anderson are great faces for the team. Guys you could root for. Pitino isn't in that category. That being said...Anderson will never get us to a final four. Iona will get there with Pitino coaching.

Our task of luring quality recruits here have taken two hits...Pitino and allowing slimeball UCONN into the conference. They've burned us before (Henefeld/Wiggins to name two) and they'll do it again.[/quote]

I’m sorry. You think that Iona will get to a a Final Four Under Pitino ???[/quote]

Let's put it this way. He took a crappy Providence team (17-14) in his first year...to a final four in year two. So, my answer is yes, Iona will get to a final four. I'd be shocked...shocked...if we ever got there.
 
[quote="newsman13" post=382294][quote="Moose" post=382139][quote="newsman13" post=382117]Mullin/Anderson are great faces for the team. Guys you could root for. Pitino isn't in that category. That being said...Anderson will never get us to a final four. Iona will get there with Pitino coaching.

Our task of luring quality recruits here have taken two hits...Pitino and allowing slimeball UCONN into the conference. They've burned us before (Henefeld/Wiggins to name two) and they'll do it again.[/quote]

I’m sorry. You think that Iona will get to a a Final Four Under Pitino ???[/quote]

Let's put it this way. He took a crappy Providence team (17-14) in his first year...to a final four in year two. So, my answer is yes, Iona will get to a final four. I'd be shocked...shocked...if we ever got there.[/quote]

He’s never been under this kind of NCAA microscope, with possible sanctions/penalties forthcoming. His rep is badly tarnished, and PC was in the Big East. Not going to be all that easy for him IMO.
 
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[quote="Monte" post=382297][quote="newsman13" post=382294][quote="Moose" post=382139][quote="newsman13" post=382117]Mullin/Anderson are great faces for the team. Guys you could root for. Pitino isn't in that category. That being said...Anderson will never get us to a final four. Iona will get there with Pitino coaching.

Our task of luring quality recruits here have taken two hits...Pitino and allowing slimeball UCONN into the conference. They've burned us before (Henefeld/Wiggins to name two) and they'll do it again.[/quote]

I’m sorry. You think that Iona will get to a a Final Four Under Pitino ???[/quote]

Let's put it this way. He took a crappy Providence team (17-14) in his first year...to a final four in year two. So, my answer is yes, Iona will get to a final four. I'd be shocked...shocked...if we ever got there.[/quote]

He’s never been under this kind of NCAA microscope, with possible sanctions/penalties forthcoming. His rep is badly tarnished, and PC was in the Big East. Not going to be all that easy for him IMO.[/quote]

I know he had his problems with the Celtics...but he took a horrendous Knicks team to 50 plus wins in year two. Easy? No, but I wouldn't underestimate him.
 
[quote="newsman13" post=382298][quote="Monte" post=382297][quote="newsman13" post=382294][quote="Moose" post=382139][quote="newsman13" post=382117]Mullin/Anderson are great faces for the team. Guys you could root for. Pitino isn't in that category. That being said...Anderson will never get us to a final four. Iona will get there with Pitino coaching.

Our task of luring quality recruits here have taken two hits...Pitino and allowing slimeball UCONN into the conference. They've burned us before (Henefeld/Wiggins to name two) and they'll do it again.[/quote]

I’m sorry. You think that Iona will get to a a Final Four Under Pitino ???[/quote]

Let's put it this way. He took a crappy Providence team (17-14) in his first year...to a final four in year two. So, my answer is yes, Iona will get to a final four. I'd be shocked...shocked...if we ever got there.[/quote]

He’s never been under this kind of NCAA microscope, with possible sanctions/penalties forthcoming. His rep is badly tarnished, and PC was in the Big East. Not going to be all that easy for him IMO.[/quote]

I know he had his problems with the Celtics...but he took a horrendous Knicks team to 50 plus wins in year two. Easy? No, but I wouldn't underestimate him.[/quote]

You're comparing taking a Providence team that was part of the best conference in college basketball at that time to a Final Four and a team in a very low level mid major status to the Final Four? You do understand that to make the tournament LET ALONE be in a position to make noise in the Tourney you have to win the MAAC Tourney EVERY YEAR. They rarely will ever get an at large. Then you need actually get a decent seed which means you need to play and beat GREAT teams in and out of conference. Those things are basically never going to happen for a MAAC school. You are essentially saying Pitino will take a 14/15/16 seeded team to the Final Four. Sorry that is near impossible. Again he is brilliant he is not that brilliant. No one is.
 
He may never coach a game at Iona. What if the NCAA sanctions against Louisville include a "show cause" against Pitino? After reading everything about how quickly Pitino was hired - which didn't even include an in-person interview - do we honestly think they got a clean bill of health on Pitino from the NCAA before hiring him? Highly unlikely in my view...
 
I had direct feedback from a HoF Celtic that Pitino disrespected Red Auerbach. Sounds like the definition of arrogant punk to me.
 
[quote="fuchsia" post=382302]I had direct feedback from a HoF Celtic that Pitino disrespected Red Auerbach. Sounds like the definition of arrogant punk to me.[/quote]

His Boston tenure may have ended differently, had they been able to draft Tim Duncan. That was his first offseason, and they had the most ping-pong balls that year.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=382299][quote="newsman13" post=382298][quote="Monte" post=382297][quote="newsman13" post=382294][quote="Moose" post=382139][quote="newsman13" post=382117]Mullin/Anderson are great faces for the team. Guys you could root for. Pitino isn't in that category. That being said...Anderson will never get us to a final four. Iona will get there with Pitino coaching.

Our task of luring quality recruits here have taken two hits...Pitino and allowing slimeball UCONN into the conference. They've burned us before (Henefeld/Wiggins to name two) and they'll do it again.[/quote]

I’m sorry. You think that Iona will get to a a Final Four Under Pitino ???[/quote]

Let's put it this way. He took a crappy Providence team (17-14) in his first year...to a final four in year two. So, my answer is yes, Iona will get to a final four. I'd be shocked...shocked...if we ever got there.[/quote]

He’s never been under this kind of NCAA microscope, with possible sanctions/penalties forthcoming. His rep is badly tarnished, and PC was in the Big East. Not going to be all that easy for him IMO.[/quote]

I know he had his problems with the Celtics...but he took a horrendous Knicks team to 50 plus wins in year two. Easy? No, but I wouldn't underestimate him.[/quote]

You're comparing taking a Providence team that was part of the best conference in college basketball at that time to a Final Four and a team in a very low level mid major status to the Final Four? You do understand that to make the tournament LET ALONE be in a position to make noise in the Tourney you have to win the MAAC Tourney EVERY YEAR. They rarely will ever get an at large. Then you need actually get a decent seed which means you need to play and beat GREAT teams in and out of conference. Those things are basically never going to happen for a MAAC school. You are essentially saying Pitino will take a 14/15/16 seeded team to the Final Four. Sorry that is near impossible. Again he is brilliant he is not that brilliant. No one is.[/quote]

I remember one year when Butler (coached by Brad Stevens) was in a lesser conference, along with VCU and the BOTH made the final four in the same year... Then there's George Mason. I'll admit the Big East must be a great conference which is why we're virtually never better than ninth...but there are teams out there in "lesser" conferences that could beat the crap out of blue bloods on any given night with outstanding coaching.

I should mention, if IONA wins the conference and loses in the tournaments, the NCAA will make exceptions based on the weight of Pitino being there.
 
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