Pitino and Iona

[quote="newsman13" post=382349][quote="Beast of the East" post=382328][quote="newsman13" post=382298][quote="Monte" post=382297][quote="newsman13" post=382294][quote="Moose" post=382139][quote="newsman13" post=382117]Mullin/Anderson are great faces for the team. Guys you could root for. Pitino isn't in that category. That being said...Anderson will never get us to a final four. Iona will get there with Pitino coaching.

Our task of luring quality recruits here have taken two hits...Pitino and allowing slimeball UCONN into the conference. They've burned us before (Henefeld/Wiggins to name two) and they'll do it again.[/quote]

I’m sorry. You think that Iona will get to a a Final Four Under Pitino ???[/quote]

Let's put it this way. He took a crappy Providence team (17-14) in his first year...to a final four in year two. So, my answer is yes, Iona will get to a final four. I'd be shocked...shocked...if we ever got there.[/quote]

He’s never been under this kind of NCAA microscope, with possible sanctions/penalties forthcoming. His rep is badly tarnished, and PC was in the Big East. Not going to be all that easy for him IMO.[/quote]

I know he had his problems with the Celtics...but he took a horrendous Knicks team to 50 plus wins in year two. Easy? No, but I wouldn't underestimate him.[/quote]

You can always start rooting for Iona, and maybe even pony up $150K to buy his first player. :)[/quote]

I have rooted for Iona for a long time. I was friends with Tim Cluess' brother, Greg, back in the day. Four of the brothers went to St John's, including Tim...who transferred to Hofstra. A friend and former co-worker, Gary Stanley, does the play by play for them. One of my best friend's sons played varsity baseball for four years there. I root for Iona...I bleed for St John's. Big difference.

I read where Pitino is getting 1.1 million dollars to coach at Iona.

The bigger question...sure Pitino is a fallen man...but he's comparable to Bill Clinton who enjoyed the lips of one of his interns...or Donald Trump...a serial cheater of his three wives and worse. Where is the morality of those who condemn Pitino but who put the others on a pedestal...[/quote]

Frankly I don’t care about his morality. I care that he cheats at basketball, pays players, sells assistants and kids down the river to deny culpability and the like. I don’t care whether he cheats in his personal life but he’s a cheater at the game we love. Gimme
The Tom Izzos and Mike Anderson’s any day. It’s just more fun and they win too.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=382345][quote="RedmanMike" post=382342]Fordham, I do not think our opinions of Pitino have anything to with our loyalty to Mike Anderson. One has nothing to do with the other. I felt exactly the same way about Pitino last year as I do now, and Anderson wasn't our coach then so no one was worried about being loyal to him.

Here's the issue: do you only care about winning - to the point where you would hire a serial cheater with low morals (for that is exactly what Rick Pitino is) - or do you want a coach who will at least attempt to run a clean program? Personally, I'd rather have a guy that tries to win the right way. I think Mike Anderson is that guy.

You and Dee, and apparently a supposedly Catholic institution of higher learning, Iona College, just want to win at all costs. We simply disagree.[/quote]

That is not what I said.[/quote]

If I misinterpreted you, then I apologize, but I don't I think I misinterpreted you.. As I said, I think we just disagree.

Pitino is an excellent coach, no question about it.

He is also on the Mount Rushmore of cheaters. He's the only guy to have a national championship vacated, and that was BEFORE Louisville got caught paying players under his watch. He was involved in a cheating scandal when he was an assistant in his twenties at Hawaii, so this isn't new. His answer is always the same - it's never him. He never takes responsibility, and he says whatever he can to whatever gullible audience he is speaking to at the time.

And if you don't think his cheating helped him win games, then you're fooling yourself. That's why he did it.

Does anyone believe that he regrets leaving Providence? Does anyone believe that he knew nothing about the strippers in the dorm room, that he knew nothing about the payments to players? Does anyone believe him when he says that Iona will be his last job? And let's not even go into his banging his assistant's girlfriend in the restaurant and getting her pregnant. Leave that out of the equation for now.

And yet knowing all this, some people on this board wanted St. John's to hire this man a year ago, and they apparently still upset that we did not.

So I have one more question for the Rick Pitino Fan Club... do we really think that the instances we know about are the only times he ever cheated? Does anyone believe that paying strippers to have sex with players is the ONLY time he ever gave illicit benefits to potential recruits? Does anyone believe that Brian Bowen was the ONLY time he ever paid a player? Are people really that dumb?

Rick Pitino thinks so - and the president and AD at Iona just proved him right.
 
[quote="newsman13" post=382294][quote="Moose" post=382139][quote="newsman13" post=382117]Mullin/Anderson are great faces for the team. Guys you could root for. Pitino isn't in that category. That being said...Anderson will never get us to a final four. Iona will get there with Pitino coaching.

Our task of luring quality recruits here have taken two hits...Pitino and allowing slimeball UCONN into the conference. They've burned us before (Henefeld/Wiggins to name two) and they'll do it again.[/quote]

I’m sorry. You think that Iona will get to a a Final Four Under Pitino ???[/quote]

Let's put it this way. He took a crappy Providence team (17-14) in his first year...to a final four in year two. So, my answer is yes, Iona will get to a final four. I'd be shocked...shocked...if we ever got there.[/quote]
you must not follow basketball..

CORRECTION: just finished the thread and its not that you don’t follow basketball...you just had and agenda
 
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[quote="RedmanMike" post=382358][quote="fordham96" post=382345][quote="RedmanMike" post=382342]Fordham, I do not think our opinions of Pitino have anything to with our loyalty to Mike Anderson. One has nothing to do with the other. I felt exactly the same way about Pitino last year as I do now, and Anderson wasn't our coach then so no one was worried about being loyal to him.

Here's the issue: do you only care about winning - to the point where you would hire a serial cheater with low morals (for that is exactly what Rick Pitino is) - or do you want a coach who will at least attempt to run a clean program? Personally, I'd rather have a guy that tries to win the right way. I think Mike Anderson is that guy.

You and Dee, and apparently a supposedly Catholic institution of higher learning, Iona College, just want to win at all costs. We simply disagree.[/quote]

That is not what I said.[/quote]

If I misinterpreted you, then I apologize, but I don't I think I misinterpreted you.. As I said, I think we just disagree.

Pitino is an excellent coach, no question about it.

He is also on the Mount Rushmore of cheaters. He's the only guy to have a national championship vacated, and that was BEFORE Louisville got caught paying players under his watch. He was involved in a cheating scandal when he was an assistant in his twenties at Hawaii, so this isn't new. His answer is always the same - it's never him. He never takes responsibility, and he says whatever he can to whatever gullible audience he is speaking to at the time.

And if you don't think his cheating helped him win games, then you're fooling yourself. That's why he did it.

Does anyone believe that he regrets leaving Providence? Does anyone believe that he knew nothing about the strippers in the dorm room, that he knew nothing about the payments to players? Does anyone believe him when he says that Iona will be his last job? And let's not even go into his banging his assistant's girlfriend in the restaurant and getting her pregnant. Leave that out of the equation for now.

And yet knowing all this, some people on this board wanted St. John's to hire this man a year ago, and they apparently still upset that we did not.

So I have one more question for the Rick Pitino Fan Club... do we really think that the instances we know about are the only times he ever cheated? Does anyone believe that paying strippers to have sex with players is the ONLY time he ever gave illicit benefits to potential recruits? Does anyone believe that Brian Bowen was the ONLY time he ever paid a player? Are people really that dumb?

Rick Pitino thinks so - and the president and AD at Iona just proved him right.[/quote]

100% on the money.
 
Put 8 players on a team and have any coach coach them. Pitino would have them playing better than any coach within top 5.. Not knock on any coach but he is top 5. Blaming him for cheating you might as well blame almost any coach too but he will have that 5 playing just as well if not better than almost everyone else
 
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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=382377]Put 8 players on a team and have any coach coach them. Pitino would have them playing better than any coach within top 5.. Not knock on any coach but he is top 5. Blaming him for cheating you might as well blame almost any coach too but he will have that 5 playing just as well if not better than almost everyone else[/quote]

Mike you think he could have done more with this group of kids this year then CMA did?
 
[quote="Monte" post=382378][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382377]Put 8 players on a team and have any coach coach them. Pitino would have them playing better than any coach within top 5.. Not knock on any coach but he is top 5. Blaming him for cheating you might as well blame almost any coach too but he will have that 5 playing just as well if not better than almost everyone else[/quote]

Mike you think he could have done more with this group of kids this year then CMA did?[/quote]
As they used to say about the Bear "he can take hisin and beat yourin and he can take yourin and beat hisin". B)
 
[quote="Monte" post=382378][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382377]Put 8 players on a team and have any coach coach them. Pitino would have them playing better than any coach within top 5.. Not knock on any coach but he is top 5. Blaming him for cheating you might as well blame almost any coach too but he will have that 5 playing just as well if not better than almost everyone else[/quote]

Mike you think he could have done more with this group of kids this year then CMA did?[/quote]

Yes but that's not a discredit to CMA and maybe he would have only more than one or 2 more. It's not a Pitino vs CMA thing. It's just stating how good I think he is.

I think he's top 5. Its not like I'm saying I think CMA is top 200. It's just acknowledging that dont fact what he is personally just coaching Pitino is as close to a program changer sure bet as there is. And lets not ( not saying you ) but think virtually every coach doesn't cheat ( I think CMA is probably more honest than all of them or most of them )
 
And A-rod was one of the best players ever. Clemens, Bonds, too.

Belichek is an amazing coach, no dpubt.

The Astros were a great team. So were the 51 Giants.

Pitino is in that group.

They all share one glaring attribute. They all knew that as talented as they are/were, no matter how much better they were, they tilt the table, they put their finger on the scale to win a little more, hit a few more hine run, strikeout a few more betters, or to be the very best even as grey hair should have brought them back to earth.

The thing about sports is they are supposed to be a break from the crap we deal with every dsy.

Imagine if we discover that Ali treated his gloves with a drug that made opponents lethargic, or if Ted Williams bribed umpires to call more balls than strike on pitches he took.

In real life my company is protesting a state award to a competitor even tho when we insoected all the bids under the freedom of information act, it appears there was an attempt to falsify what we submitted. Sucks, yes?

I don't watch sports to glorify winning so much that a coach who cheats to win is preferable to the honest competition sports is supposed to be.

Along the way Pitino got very rich by cheating, but even wealth didn't curb his appetite to cheat. It wasn't good enough to have access the recruit 5 star players in abundance. Out working other programs on the recruiting trail, having a silver tongue wasn't good enough. Kentucky and Louisville paid for championships , not just great teams. Give players money, give them hookers, that helps.

Is insider trading ok if it makes you money? Stealing signs from the scoreboard with binoculars?

He's a rat. A brilliantly talented fucking rat. Root for Iona if winning is that important to you. If he was on wall street he'd be in jail, or at least should be.
 
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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=382380][quote="Monte" post=382378][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382377]Put 8 players on a team and have any coach coach them. Pitino would have them playing better than any coach within top 5.. Not knock on any coach but he is top 5. Blaming him for cheating you might as well blame almost any coach too but he will have that 5 playing just as well if not better than almost everyone else[/quote]

Mike you think he could have done more with this group of kids this year then CMA did?[/quote]

Yes but that's not a discredit to CMA and maybe he would have only more than one or 2 more. It's not a Pitino vs CMA thing. It's just stating how good I think he is.

I think he's top 5. Its not like I'm saying I think CMA is top 200. It's just acknowledging that dont fact what he is personally just coaching Pitino is as close to a program changer sure bet as there is. And lets not ( not saying you ) but think virtually every coach doesn't cheat ( I think CMA is probably more honest than all of them or most of them )[/quote]



I happen to disagree with you Mike. I don't believe that Pitino would have had the patience and demeanor to be successful with this year's team. Coach Anderson's success was about more than just X and O's, it was about taking a group of players and molding them into a cohesive unit. It was about bonding and building character. It was about overcoming obstacles and being resilient.

How many times did those of us on this board write the season off? Heron got injured and missed a few games, came back was not himself and finally had to sit out the last part of the season. LJ was up and down all season before coming on at the end. Rutherford's role changed throughout the season but he always played hard and was instrumental in helping the team win a few games. Towards the end of the season, he was playing his best basketball. Dunn gave us all that he had, while adjusting to the Big East. Caraher accepted his role and came up big in some games. The progress that Williams, Earlington, and Roberts made this year is a product of the player development capabilities of Coach Anderson and his staff. Sears was definitely limited offensively, but never backed down from anyone. Champagnie, who very few of us , myself included, thought was a Big East player, exceeded all expectations and became a member of the All Big East Freshman team. Coach Anderson rewarded Cole for his contribution over the years by giving him minutes towards the end of the season. You better believe that the others players saw and respected this.

Coach Anderson created a positive vibe, where the players were continually encouraged and supported, while also being held accountable. The familial atmosphere around the program helped the players to bond as a team and have each others back. The results this season are a testament to Coach Anderson's ability as a coach and as a leader of young men.

I do not believe that Pitino would have had the patience or the tolerance to be successful with this group of players. It has nothing to do with coaching ability, more with his personality and sense of entitlement. These players would have been beneath him.
 
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I was at the game where we beat his louisville team at the garden in 2010. We celebrated the 25th anniversary of our final 4 team that night. I was courtside very close to the louisville bench. We were beating them soundly and Pitino went ballistic on his players , berating them and dropping f bombs at them. I use that language but still was mildly shocked at how he spoke down to them. No wonder he paid for 5 star talent
 
[quote="panther2" post=382388][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382380][quote="Monte" post=382378][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382377]Put 8 players on a team and have any coach coach them. Pitino would have them playing better than any coach within top 5.. Not knock on any coach but he is top 5. Blaming him for cheating you might as well blame almost any coach too but he will have that 5 playing just as well if not better than almost everyone else[/quote]

Mike you think he could have done more with this group of kids this year then CMA did?[/quote]

Yes but that's not a discredit to CMA and maybe he would have only more than one or 2 more. It's not a Pitino vs CMA thing. It's just stating how good I think he is.

I think he's top 5. Its not like I'm saying I think CMA is top 200. It's just acknowledging that dont fact what he is personally just coaching Pitino is as close to a program changer sure bet as there is. And lets not ( not saying you ) but think virtually every coach doesn't cheat ( I think CMA is probably more honest than all of them or most of them )[/quote]



I happen to disagree with you Mike. I don't believe that Pitino would have had the patience and demeanor to be successful with this year's team. Coach Anderson's success was about more than just X and O's, it was about taking a group of players and molding them into a cohesive unit. It was about bonding and building character. It was about overcoming obstacles and being resilient.

How many times did those of us on this board write the season off? Heron got injured and missed a few games, came back was not himself and finally had to sit out the last part of the season. LJ was up and down all season before coming on at the end. Rutherford's role changed throughout the season but he always played hard and was instrumental in helping the team win a few games. Towards the end of the season, he was playing his best basketball. Dunn gave us all that he had, while adjusting to the Big East. Caraher accepted his role and came up big in some games. The progress that Williams, Earlington, and Roberts made this year is a product of the player development capabilities of Coach Anderson and his staff. Sears was definitely limited offensively, but never backed down from anyone. Champagnie, who very few of us , myself included, thought was a Big East player, exceeded all expectations and became a member of the All Big East Freshman team. Coach Anderson rewarded Cole for his contribution over the years by giving him minutes towards the end of the season. You better believe that the others players saw and respected this.

Coach Anderson created a positive vibe, where the players were continually encouraged and supported, while also being held accountable. The familial atmosphere around the program helped the players to bond as a team and have each others back. The results this season are a testament to Coach Anderson's ability as a coach and as a leader of young men.

I do not believe that Pitino would have had the patience or the tolerance to be successful with this group of players. It has nothing to do with coaching ability, more with his personality and sense of entitlement. These players would have been beneath him.[/quote]

CMA’s idea of mentoring kids is much different it seems then Rick’s. Can you imagine if one of CMA’s staff had arranged for Prostitutes? For that and that, should have just added Ms. Bernie Fine to the staff and cut out the middle man. Not only was this a rewarding season, it was a drama free season. Drama has followed Rick wherever he has gone. Maybe I’m getting older(well, not maybe), but I find myself having less and less patience for drama. Even if it means a few less Ws.
 
[quote="Monte" post=382391][quote="panther2" post=382388][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382380][quote="Monte" post=382378][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382377]Put 8 players on a team and have any coach coach them. Pitino would have them playing better than any coach within top 5.. Not knock on any coach but he is top 5. Blaming him for cheating you might as well blame almost any coach too but he will have that 5 playing just as well if not better than almost everyone else[/quote]

Mike you think he could have done more with this group of kids this year then CMA did?[/quote]

Yes but that's not a discredit to CMA and maybe he would have only more than one or 2 more. It's not a Pitino vs CMA thing. It's just stating how good I think he is.

I think he's top 5. Its not like I'm saying I think CMA is top 200. It's just acknowledging that dont fact what he is personally just coaching Pitino is as close to a program changer sure bet as there is. And lets not ( not saying you ) but think virtually every coach doesn't cheat ( I think CMA is probably more honest than all of them or most of them )[/quote]



I happen to disagree with you Mike. I don't believe that Pitino would have had the patience and demeanor to be successful with this year's team. Coach Anderson's success was about more than just X and O's, it was about taking a group of players and molding them into a cohesive unit. It was about bonding and building character. It was about overcoming obstacles and being resilient.

How many times did those of us on this board write the season off? Heron got injured and missed a few games, came back was not himself and finally had to sit out the last part of the season. LJ was up and down all season before coming on at the end. Rutherford's role changed throughout the season but he always played hard and was instrumental in helping the team win a few games. Towards the end of the season, he was playing his best basketball. Dunn gave us all that he had, while adjusting to the Big East. Caraher accepted his role and came up big in some games. The progress that Williams, Earlington, and Roberts made this year is a product of the player development capabilities of Coach Anderson and his staff. Sears was definitely limited offensively, but never backed down from anyone. Champagnie, who very few of us , myself included, thought was a Big East player, exceeded all expectations and became a member of the All Big East Freshman team. Coach Anderson rewarded Cole for his contribution over the years by giving him minutes towards the end of the season. You better believe that the others players saw and respected this.

Coach Anderson created a positive vibe, where the players were continually encouraged and supported, while also being held accountable. The familial atmosphere around the program helped the players to bond as a team and have each others back. The results this season are a testament to Coach Anderson's ability as a coach and as a leader of young men.

I do not believe that Pitino would have had the patience or the tolerance to be successful with this group of players. It has nothing to do with coaching ability, more with his personality and sense of entitlement. These players would have been beneath him.[/quote]

CMA’s idea of mentoring kids is much different it seems then Rick’s. Can you imagine if one of CMA’s staff had arranged for Prostitutes? For that and that, should have just added Ms. Bernie Fine to the staff and cut out the middle man. Not only was this a rewarding season, it was a drama free season. Drama has followed Rick wherever he has gone. Maybe I’m getting older(well, not maybe), but I find myself having less and less patience for drama. Even if it means a few less Ws.[/quote]

I think particular telling was CMA's handling of the Steere suspension and reinstatement. All very quiet, no indication of what's and why's, which all paved the way for Steere to return without being embarrassed. He could have been banished, especially since his value wasn't very high as a player. But I think CMA values him as a young kid, and gave him a chance to respond to discipline. That's not only a good coach, but a good teacher and person.
 
[quote="panther2" post=382388][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382380][quote="Monte" post=382378][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382377]Put 8 players on a team and have any coach coach them. Pitino would have them playing better than any coach within top 5.. Not knock on any coach but he is top 5. Blaming him for cheating you might as well blame almost any coach too but he will have that 5 playing just as well if not better than almost everyone else[/quote]

Mike you think he could have done more with this group of kids this year then CMA did?[/quote]

Yes but that's not a discredit to CMA and maybe he would have only more than one or 2 more. It's not a Pitino vs CMA thing. It's just stating how good I think he is.

I think he's top 5. Its not like I'm saying I think CMA is top 200. It's just acknowledging that dont fact what he is personally just coaching Pitino is as close to a program changer sure bet as there is. And lets not ( not saying you ) but think virtually every coach doesn't cheat ( I think CMA is probably more honest than all of them or most of them )[/quote]



I happen to disagree with you Mike. I don't believe that Pitino would have had the patience and demeanor to be successful with this year's team. Coach Anderson's success was about more than just X and O's, it was about taking a group of players and molding them into a cohesive unit. It was about bonding and building character. It was about overcoming obstacles and being resilient.

How many times did those of us on this board write the season off? Heron got injured and missed a few games, came back was not himself and finally had to sit out the last part of the season. LJ was up and down all season before coming on at the end. Rutherford's role changed throughout the season but he always played hard and was instrumental in helping the team win a few games. Towards the end of the season, he was playing his best basketball. Dunn gave us all that he had, while adjusting to the Big East. Caraher accepted his role and came up big in some games. The progress that Williams, Earlington, and Roberts made this year is a product of the player development capabilities of Coach Anderson and his staff. Sears was definitely limited offensively, but never backed down from anyone. Champagnie, who very few of us , myself included, thought was a Big East player, exceeded all expectations and became a member of the All Big East Freshman team. Coach Anderson rewarded Cole for his contribution over the years by giving him minutes towards the end of the season. You better believe that the others players saw and respected this.

Coach Anderson created a positive vibe, where the players were continually encouraged and supported, while also being held accountable. The familial atmosphere around the program helped the players to bond as a team and have each others back. The results this season are a testament to Coach Anderson's ability as a coach and as a leader of young men.

I do not believe that Pitino would have had the patience or the tolerance to be successful with this group of players. It has nothing to do with coaching ability, more with his personality and sense of entitlement. These players would have been beneath him.[/quote]

I’ll go further and say that I don’t think Pitino is nearly as good as being made out to be and a ton of his success was due to his cheating. He got awesome players at most spots. It’s precisely the d
difference between a guy like Slick Rick and CMA. Give CMA the talent that Rick paid for all those years and CMA might have won a few NC’s with the talent difference. He certainly would have not been at SJU and likely some blue blood. I don’t think Rick could have done any better with this years team.
 
After all this I really wish Pitino came here to watch everyone conflicted and their heads collectively explode
 
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