Pitino and Iona

[quote="Moose" post=382409]After all this I really wish Pitino came here to watch everyone conflicted and their heads collectively explode[/quote]

Right now, the large majority of posters are very happy with who we decided to hire last year. Of course that can change down the road, depending on what CMA does here and Pitino does at Iona(and wherever he lands after Iona), but I don’t think that it will.
 
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[quote="Moose" post=382409]After all this I really wish Pitino came here to watch everyone conflicted and their heads collectively explode[/quote]

Nah, we all know that as soon as we cracked the top 25 or landed a 5 star recruiting class all would be forgotten and it would be 100% support. :)
 
Just remember when the heads explode that there is no place to buy disinfecting wipes to clean up the mess.
 
[quote="Moose" post=382409]After all this I really wish Pitino came here to watch everyone conflicted and their heads collectively explode[/quote] I’d be happy just if someone could post the Pitino threads last year when Tom Bradley was saying he was coming here because there were definitely some people on this thread who were all for hiring Pitino
 
[quote="AlexSTJ" post=382435][quote="BrooklynRed" post=382432][quote="Paultzman" post=382407][URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/a...s-iona-to-play-kentucky-wont-play-louisville/[/URL][/quote]

Love that he "loves" the job because its near his Manhattan apt. We had a coach with the same attitude and we know how that worked out.[/quote]

You can't be serious. Say you want about Pitino, but he's gonna succeed at Iona. Dirty or not.[/quote]

Dirty. Or not doesn’t work with Pitino.
 
@AdamZagoria
Casey Stanley and Tommy Abatemarco will be on Rick Pitino’s staff at @IonaGaelsMBB, sources confirm.
Abatemarco is a longtime coaching veteran who was at @IonaGaelsMBB with Jim Valvano.

Stanley graduated from Iona and worked for both Pitino & Kevin Willard. Now at Ark. St
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=382469]@AdamZagoria
Casey Stanley and Tommy Abatemarco will be on Rick Pitino’s staff at @IonaGaelsMBB, sources confirm.
Abatemarco is a longtime coaching veteran who was at @IonaGaelsMBB with Jim Valvano.

Stanley graduated from Iona and worked for both Pitino & Kevin Willard. Now at Ark. St[/quote]

Abatemarco gives Larry Brown a run for his money WRT changing jobs:

NYIT (one season)
Iona (two seasons)
Davidson (one season)
St. John's (one season)
Maryland (two seasons)
Va. Tech (one season)
NC State (four seasons)
Lamar (head coach - two seasons)
Drake (head coach - two seasons)
Colorado (four seasons)
Rutgers (three seasons)
Sacramento State (head coach - three seasons)
Sacramento Monarchs (WNBA - seven seasons)
Utah (one season - concurrent with Monarchs)
Reno Big Horns (NBDL - one season - concurrent with Monarchs)
Colorado (second tenure - four seasons)
Loyola Marymount (one season)
Tulsa (one season)
Florida Gulf Coast (five seasons)

This has to be some kind of record for most basketball coaching jobs. Pretty impressive, although I'm sure he left some of those jobs when the head coach was forced out.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=382471][quote="RedStormNC" post=382469]@AdamZagoria
Casey Stanley and Tommy Abatemarco will be on Rick Pitino’s staff at @IonaGaelsMBB, sources confirm.
Abatemarco is a longtime coaching veteran who was at @IonaGaelsMBB with Jim Valvano.

Stanley graduated from Iona and worked for both Pitino & Kevin Willard. Now at Ark. St[/quote]

Abatemarco gives Larry Brown a run for his money WRT changing jobs:

NYIT (one season)
Iona (two seasons)
Davidson (one season)
St. John's (one season)
Maryland (two seasons)
Va. Tech (one season)
NC State (four seasons)
Lamar (head coach - two seasons)
Drake (head coach - two seasons)
Colorado (four seasons)
Rutgers (three seasons)
Sacramento State (head coach - three seasons)
Sacramento Monarchs (WNBA - seven seasons)
Utah (one season - concurrent with Monarchs)
Reno Big Horns (NBDL - one season - concurrent with Monarchs)
Colorado (second tenure - four seasons)
Loyola Marymount (one season)
Tulsa (one season)
Florida Gulf Coast (five seasons)

This has to be some kind of record for most basketball coaching jobs. Pretty impressive, although I'm sure he left some of those jobs when the head coach was forced out.[/quote]

Was also mentioned as candidate here I think after Dunlap left
 
[quote="Moose" post=382472][quote="SJU61982" post=382471][quote="RedStormNC" post=382469]@AdamZagoria
Casey Stanley and Tommy Abatemarco will be on Rick Pitino’s staff at @IonaGaelsMBB, sources confirm.
Abatemarco is a longtime coaching veteran who was at @IonaGaelsMBB with Jim Valvano.

Stanley graduated from Iona and worked for both Pitino & Kevin Willard. Now at Ark. St[/quote]

Abatemarco gives Larry Brown a run for his money WRT changing jobs:

NYIT (one season)
Iona (two seasons)
Davidson (one season)
St. John's (one season)
Maryland (two seasons)
Va. Tech (one season)
NC State (four seasons)
Lamar (head coach - two seasons)
Drake (head coach - two seasons)
Colorado (four seasons)
Rutgers (three seasons)
Sacramento State (head coach - three seasons)
Sacramento Monarchs (WNBA - seven seasons)
Utah (one season - concurrent with Monarchs)
Reno Big Horns (NBDL - one season - concurrent with Monarchs)
Colorado (second tenure - four seasons)
Loyola Marymount (one season)
Tulsa (one season)
Florida Gulf Coast (five seasons)

This has to be some kind of record for most basketball coaching jobs. Pretty impressive, although I'm sure he left some of those jobs when the head coach was forced out.[/quote]

Was also mentioned as candidate here I think after Dunlap left[/quote]
Believe he recruited David Russell
 
was at the game where we beat his louisville team at the garden in 2010. We celebrated the 25th anniversary of our final 4 team that night. I was courtside very close to the louisville bench. We were beating them soundly and Pitino went ballistic on his players , berating them and dropping f bombs at them. I use that language but still was mildly shocked at how he spoke down to them. No wonder he paid for 5 star talent

I was at that game too sitting nearby a very disappointed ex-louisville Coach Denny Crum and yes, he still rolled up a Program and held it in his hand the whole game.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=382408][quote="panther2" post=382388][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382380][quote="Monte" post=382378][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382377]Put 8 players on a team and have any coach coach them. Pitino would have them playing better than any coach within top 5.. Not knock on any coach but he is top 5. Blaming him for cheating you might as well blame almost any coach too but he will have that 5 playing just as well if not better than almost everyone else[/quote]

Mike you think he could have done more with this group of kids this year then CMA did?[/quote]

Yes but that's not a discredit to CMA and maybe he would have only more than one or 2 more. It's not a Pitino vs CMA thing. It's just stating how good I think he is.

I think he's top 5. Its not like I'm saying I think CMA is top 200. It's just acknowledging that dont fact what he is personally just coaching Pitino is as close to a program changer sure bet as there is. And lets not ( not saying you ) but think virtually every coach doesn't cheat ( I think CMA is probably more honest than all of them or most of them )[/quote]



I happen to disagree with you Mike. I don't believe that Pitino would have had the patience and demeanor to be successful with this year's team. Coach Anderson's success was about more than just X and O's, it was about taking a group of players and molding them into a cohesive unit. It was about bonding and building character. It was about overcoming obstacles and being resilient.

How many times did those of us on this board write the season off? Heron got injured and missed a few games, came back was not himself and finally had to sit out the last part of the season. LJ was up and down all season before coming on at the end. Rutherford's role changed throughout the season but he always played hard and was instrumental in helping the team win a few games. Towards the end of the season, he was playing his best basketball. Dunn gave us all that he had, while adjusting to the Big East. Caraher accepted his role and came up big in some games. The progress that Williams, Earlington, and Roberts made this year is a product of the player development capabilities of Coach Anderson and his staff. Sears was definitely limited offensively, but never backed down from anyone. Champagnie, who very few of us , myself included, thought was a Big East player, exceeded all expectations and became a member of the All Big East Freshman team. Coach Anderson rewarded Cole for his contribution over the years by giving him minutes towards the end of the season. You better believe that the others players saw and respected this.

Coach Anderson created a positive vibe, where the players were continually encouraged and supported, while also being held accountable. The familial atmosphere around the program helped the players to bond as a team and have each others back. The results this season are a testament to Coach Anderson's ability as a coach and as a leader of young men.

I do not believe that Pitino would have had the patience or the tolerance to be successful with this group of players. It has nothing to do with coaching ability, more with his personality and sense of entitlement. These players would have been beneath him.[/quote]

I’ll go further and say that I don’t think Pitino is nearly as good as being made out to be and a ton of his success was due to his cheating. He got awesome players at most spots. It’s precisely the d
difference between a guy like Slick Rick and CMA. Give CMA the talent that Rick paid for all those years and CMA might have won a few NC’s with the talent difference. He certainly would have not been at SJU and likely some blue blood. I don’t think Rick could have done any better with this years team.[/quote]

If Pitino had been hired by sju he would not have had this team. He would have brought more talented players here. Watch what he does with iona. The sky is the limit
 
[quote="dee" post=382540][quote="MCNPA" post=382408][quote="panther2" post=382388][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382380][quote="Monte" post=382378][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382377]Put 8 players on a team and have any coach coach them. Pitino would have them playing better than any coach within top 5.. Not knock on any coach but he is top 5. Blaming him for cheating you might as well blame almost any coach too but he will have that 5 playing just as well if not better than almost everyone else[/quote]

Mike you think he could have done more with this group of kids this year then CMA did?[/quote]

Yes but that's not a discredit to CMA and maybe he would have only more than one or 2 more. It's not a Pitino vs CMA thing. It's just stating how good I think he is.

I think he's top 5. Its not like I'm saying I think CMA is top 200. It's just acknowledging that dont fact what he is personally just coaching Pitino is as close to a program changer sure bet as there is. And lets not ( not saying you ) but think virtually every coach doesn't cheat ( I think CMA is probably more honest than all of them or most of them )[/quote]



I happen to disagree with you Mike. I don't believe that Pitino would have had the patience and demeanor to be successful with this year's team. Coach Anderson's success was about more than just X and O's, it was about taking a group of players and molding them into a cohesive unit. It was about bonding and building character. It was about overcoming obstacles and being resilient.

How many times did those of us on this board write the season off? Heron got injured and missed a few games, came back was not himself and finally had to sit out the last part of the season. LJ was up and down all season before coming on at the end. Rutherford's role changed throughout the season but he always played hard and was instrumental in helping the team win a few games. Towards the end of the season, he was playing his best basketball. Dunn gave us all that he had, while adjusting to the Big East. Caraher accepted his role and came up big in some games. The progress that Williams, Earlington, and Roberts made this year is a product of the player development capabilities of Coach Anderson and his staff. Sears was definitely limited offensively, but never backed down from anyone. Champagnie, who very few of us , myself included, thought was a Big East player, exceeded all expectations and became a member of the All Big East Freshman team. Coach Anderson rewarded Cole for his contribution over the years by giving him minutes towards the end of the season. You better believe that the others players saw and respected this.

Coach Anderson created a positive vibe, where the players were continually encouraged and supported, while also being held accountable. The familial atmosphere around the program helped the players to bond as a team and have each others back. The results this season are a testament to Coach Anderson's ability as a coach and as a leader of young men.

I do not believe that Pitino would have had the patience or the tolerance to be successful with this group of players. It has nothing to do with coaching ability, more with his personality and sense of entitlement. These players would have been beneath him.[/quote]

I’ll go further and say that I don’t think Pitino is nearly as good as being made out to be and a ton of his success was due to his cheating. He got awesome players at most spots. It’s precisely the d
difference between a guy like Slick Rick and CMA. Give CMA the talent that Rick paid for all those years and CMA might have won a few NC’s with the talent difference. He certainly would have not been at SJU and likely some blue blood. I don’t think Rick could have done any better with this years team.[/quote]

If Pitino had been hired by sju he would not have had this team. He would have brought more talented players here. Watch what he does with iona. The sky is the limit[/quote]

Did you get your Iona tickets yet? Hynes doesn't hold that many people even after the renovations.

What's going to be your go to meal before the game? Beechmont Tavern? Smokehouse closed. Maybe you just go cheap and go McDonalds?
 
[quote="Moose" post=382544][quote="dee" post=382540][quote="MCNPA" post=382408][quote="panther2" post=382388][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382380][quote="Monte" post=382378][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382377]Put 8 players on a team and have any coach coach them. Pitino would have them playing better than any coach within top 5.. Not knock on any coach but he is top 5. Blaming him for cheating you might as well blame almost any coach too but he will have that 5 playing just as well if not better than almost everyone else[/quote]

Mike you think he could have done more with this group of kids this year then CMA did?[/quote]

Yes but that's not a discredit to CMA and maybe he would have only more than one or 2 more. It's not a Pitino vs CMA thing. It's just stating how good I think he is.

I think he's top 5. Its not like I'm saying I think CMA is top 200. It's just acknowledging that dont fact what he is personally just coaching Pitino is as close to a program changer sure bet as there is. And lets not ( not saying you ) but think virtually every coach doesn't cheat ( I think CMA is probably more honest than all of them or most of them )[/quote]



I happen to disagree with you Mike. I don't believe that Pitino would have had the patience and demeanor to be successful with this year's team. Coach Anderson's success was about more than just X and O's, it was about taking a group of players and molding them into a cohesive unit. It was about bonding and building character. It was about overcoming obstacles and being resilient.

How many times did those of us on this board write the season off? Heron got injured and missed a few games, came back was not himself and finally had to sit out the last part of the season. LJ was up and down all season before coming on at the end. Rutherford's role changed throughout the season but he always played hard and was instrumental in helping the team win a few games. Towards the end of the season, he was playing his best basketball. Dunn gave us all that he had, while adjusting to the Big East. Caraher accepted his role and came up big in some games. The progress that Williams, Earlington, and Roberts made this year is a product of the player development capabilities of Coach Anderson and his staff. Sears was definitely limited offensively, but never backed down from anyone. Champagnie, who very few of us , myself included, thought was a Big East player, exceeded all expectations and became a member of the All Big East Freshman team. Coach Anderson rewarded Cole for his contribution over the years by giving him minutes towards the end of the season. You better believe that the others players saw and respected this.

Coach Anderson created a positive vibe, where the players were continually encouraged and supported, while also being held accountable. The familial atmosphere around the program helped the players to bond as a team and have each others back. The results this season are a testament to Coach Anderson's ability as a coach and as a leader of young men.

I do not believe that Pitino would have had the patience or the tolerance to be successful with this group of players. It has nothing to do with coaching ability, more with his personality and sense of entitlement. These players would have been beneath him.[/quote]

I’ll go further and say that I don’t think Pitino is nearly as good as being made out to be and a ton of his success was due to his cheating. He got awesome players at most spots. It’s precisely the d
difference between a guy like Slick Rick and CMA. Give CMA the talent that Rick paid for all those years and CMA might have won a few NC’s with the talent difference. He certainly would have not been at SJU and likely some blue blood. I don’t think Rick could have done any better with this years team.[/quote]

If Pitino had been hired by sju he would not have had this team. He would have brought more talented players here. Watch what he does with iona. The sky is the limit[/quote]

Did you get your Iona tickets yet? Hynes doesn't hold that many people even after the renovations.

What's going to be your go to meal before the game? Beechmont Tavern? Smokehouse closed. Maybe you just go cheap and go McDonalds?[/quote]

I'm not rooting for iona. Just pointing out what I believe he can and will do. I understand many of you here want Pitino to fail to justify your previous position that st John's should not hire him in 2019. But I believe and only time will tell that Pitino will do an amazing job.
 
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[quote="dee" post=382540][quote="MCNPA" post=382408][quote="panther2" post=382388][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382380][quote="Monte" post=382378][quote="mjmaherjr" post=382377]Put 8 players on a team and have any coach coach them. Pitino would have them playing better than any coach within top 5.. Not knock on any coach but he is top 5. Blaming him for cheating you might as well blame almost any coach too but he will have that 5 playing just as well if not better than almost everyone else[/quote]

Mike you think he could have done more with this group of kids this year then CMA did?[/quote]

Yes but that's not a discredit to CMA and maybe he would have only more than one or 2 more. It's not a Pitino vs CMA thing. It's just stating how good I think he is.

I think he's top 5. Its not like I'm saying I think CMA is top 200. It's just acknowledging that dont fact what he is personally just coaching Pitino is as close to a program changer sure bet as there is. And lets not ( not saying you ) but think virtually every coach doesn't cheat ( I think CMA is probably more honest than all of them or most of them )[/quote]



I happen to disagree with you Mike. I don't believe that Pitino would have had the patience and demeanor to be successful with this year's team. Coach Anderson's success was about more than just X and O's, it was about taking a group of players and molding them into a cohesive unit. It was about bonding and building character. It was about overcoming obstacles and being resilient.

How many times did those of us on this board write the season off? Heron got injured and missed a few games, came back was not himself and finally had to sit out the last part of the season. LJ was up and down all season before coming on at the end. Rutherford's role changed throughout the season but he always played hard and was instrumental in helping the team win a few games. Towards the end of the season, he was playing his best basketball. Dunn gave us all that he had, while adjusting to the Big East. Caraher accepted his role and came up big in some games. The progress that Williams, Earlington, and Roberts made this year is a product of the player development capabilities of Coach Anderson and his staff. Sears was definitely limited offensively, but never backed down from anyone. Champagnie, who very few of us , myself included, thought was a Big East player, exceeded all expectations and became a member of the All Big East Freshman team. Coach Anderson rewarded Cole for his contribution over the years by giving him minutes towards the end of the season. You better believe that the others players saw and respected this.

Coach Anderson created a positive vibe, where the players were continually encouraged and supported, while also being held accountable. The familial atmosphere around the program helped the players to bond as a team and have each others back. The results this season are a testament to Coach Anderson's ability as a coach and as a leader of young men.

I do not believe that Pitino would have had the patience or the tolerance to be successful with this group of players. It has nothing to do with coaching ability, more with his personality and sense of entitlement. These players would have been beneath him.[/quote]

I’ll go further and say that I don’t think Pitino is nearly as good as being made out to be and a ton of his success was due to his cheating. He got awesome players at most spots. It’s precisely the d
difference between a guy like Slick Rick and CMA. Give CMA the talent that Rick paid for all those years and CMA might have won a few NC’s with the talent difference. He certainly would have not been at SJU and likely some blue blood. I don’t think Rick could have done any better with this years team.[/quote]

If Pitino had been hired by sju he would not have had this team. He would have brought more talented players here. Watch what he does with iona. The sky is the limit[/quote]



Just curious as to where the more talented players would have come from. By April, the more talented players have already committed to a school. Pitino is a good coach, but he ain't walking on water. The belief that he could have recruited great players in April is "delusional".
 
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