Pitino and Iona
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[quote="fordham96" post=382131]Ag as in if you want to make case Pitino had too much baggage ultimately to come to SJU fine.
But don't for a second diminish his coaching abilities or accomplishments with nonsense arguments he bought players.[/quote]
You guys are laughable. Yeah he paid nobody. That’s not part of his success at all. You think he really just started cheating at Louisville?
But don't for a second diminish his coaching abilities or accomplishments with nonsense arguments he bought players.[/quote]
You guys are laughable. Yeah he paid nobody. That’s not part of his success at all. You think he really just started cheating at Louisville?
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I start this by mentioning that I was one who liked the idea of SJU hiring Pitino, and it sure seems like the money could have worked. But they didn't do it, so that is that. Anderson has been a breath of very fresh air for the program, so I don't see why it is worth lamenting what did not occur. SJU also didn't hire Paul Hewitt. He was actually interviewed! Going with Mike Anderson over Pitino is not a call I can complain about, all things considered.
I also don't think success for Iona has to correlate to any problems for SJU. When Iona had major success with Valvano, SJU also had excellent teams. It's not like NYC can't handle two (or more) successful college basketball programs. You could argue the opposite, that more publicity for college basketball in NYC, period, is good for SJU. If both teams become Quad 1/2 worthy it becomes easy to schedule them as an MSG game every year and that is good for both teams bottom line. As a season ticket holder that sounds great to me.
As far as players, nobody, even Pitino, is allowed more than 13 scholarships at a time. Could SJU not lose a player here or there to Iona? The odds sure go up, but so what? You move on to the next player. If Anderson cannot turn around SJU (and I am optimistic he can) I don't see this hire by Iona as much of a factor.
The Big East is very much a major basketball conference and if SJU wants to ever stop playing Wednesday night BE tournament games they need to build a team that is as good as anything Iona can put together. No matter who the Iona coach is. I see this as a good thing for NYC basketball, and the MAAC, and not bad in any way for SJU.
I also don't think success for Iona has to correlate to any problems for SJU. When Iona had major success with Valvano, SJU also had excellent teams. It's not like NYC can't handle two (or more) successful college basketball programs. You could argue the opposite, that more publicity for college basketball in NYC, period, is good for SJU. If both teams become Quad 1/2 worthy it becomes easy to schedule them as an MSG game every year and that is good for both teams bottom line. As a season ticket holder that sounds great to me.
As far as players, nobody, even Pitino, is allowed more than 13 scholarships at a time. Could SJU not lose a player here or there to Iona? The odds sure go up, but so what? You move on to the next player. If Anderson cannot turn around SJU (and I am optimistic he can) I don't see this hire by Iona as much of a factor.
The Big East is very much a major basketball conference and if SJU wants to ever stop playing Wednesday night BE tournament games they need to build a team that is as good as anything Iona can put together. No matter who the Iona coach is. I see this as a good thing for NYC basketball, and the MAAC, and not bad in any way for SJU.
Just a small summary.
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[quote="IDRAFT" post=382135]I start this by mentioning that I was one who liked the idea of SJU hiring Pitino, and it sure seems like the money could have worked. But they didn't do it, so that is that. Anderson has been a breath of very fresh air for the program, so I don't see why it is worth lamenting what did not occur. SJU also didn't hire Paul Hewitt. He was actually interviewed! Going with Mike Anderson over Pitino is not a call I can complain about, all things considered.
I also don't think success for Iona has to correlate to any problems for SJU. When Iona had major success with Valvano, SJU also had excellent teams. It's not like NYC can't handle two (or more) successful college basketball programs. You could argue the opposite, that more publicity for college basketball in NYC, period, is good for SJU. If both teams become Quad 1/2 worthy it becomes easy to schedule them as an MSG game every year and that is good for both teams bottom line. As a season ticket holder that sounds great to me.
As far as players, nobody, even Pitino, is allowed more than 13 scholarships at a time. Could SJU not lose a player here or there to Iona? The odds sure go up, but so what? You move on to the next player. If Anderson cannot turn around SJU (and I am optimistic he can) I don't see this hire by Iona as much of a factor.
The Big East is very much a major basketball conference and if SJU wants to ever stop playing Wednesday night BE tournament games they need to build a team that is as good as anything Iona can put together. No matter who the Iona coach is. I see this as a good thing for NYC basketball, and the MAAC, and not bad in any way for SJU.[/quote]
Well written, articulate post! I have to agree.
I also don't think success for Iona has to correlate to any problems for SJU. When Iona had major success with Valvano, SJU also had excellent teams. It's not like NYC can't handle two (or more) successful college basketball programs. You could argue the opposite, that more publicity for college basketball in NYC, period, is good for SJU. If both teams become Quad 1/2 worthy it becomes easy to schedule them as an MSG game every year and that is good for both teams bottom line. As a season ticket holder that sounds great to me.
As far as players, nobody, even Pitino, is allowed more than 13 scholarships at a time. Could SJU not lose a player here or there to Iona? The odds sure go up, but so what? You move on to the next player. If Anderson cannot turn around SJU (and I am optimistic he can) I don't see this hire by Iona as much of a factor.
The Big East is very much a major basketball conference and if SJU wants to ever stop playing Wednesday night BE tournament games they need to build a team that is as good as anything Iona can put together. No matter who the Iona coach is. I see this as a good thing for NYC basketball, and the MAAC, and not bad in any way for SJU.[/quote]
Well written, articulate post! I have to agree.
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[quote="newsman13" post=382117]Mullin/Anderson are great faces for the team. Guys you could root for. Pitino isn't in that category. That being said...Anderson will never get us to a final four. Iona will get there with Pitino coaching.
Our task of luring quality recruits here have taken two hits...Pitino and allowing slimeball UCONN into the conference. They've burned us before (Henefeld/Wiggins to name two) and they'll do it again.[/quote]
I’m sorry. You think that Iona will get to a a Final Four Under Pitino ???
Our task of luring quality recruits here have taken two hits...Pitino and allowing slimeball UCONN into the conference. They've burned us before (Henefeld/Wiggins to name two) and they'll do it again.[/quote]
I’m sorry. You think that Iona will get to a a Final Four Under Pitino ???
[quote="Beast of the East" post=382123][quote="Monte" post=382122][quote="panther2" post=382111][quote="fordham96" post=382102][quote="panther2" post=382093]Yes, it is true that a lot of schools probably pay players so Pitino is no better or worse that other coaches.
However, anyone who would have sex with a supposed friend and subordinate's wife on a table in a restaurant has absolutely no moral integrity and should not be placed in a position where he is a Role Model to young men.
I have absolutely no idea how any rational thinking person can defend Pitino's behavior in this instance. If he was your friend, and she was your wife, would you want him coaching your son???[/quote]
The moral argument to me is stronger than the cheating stuff. And most schools would have fired that coach with cause. The only reason he survived is because he is Rick Pitino and he is a legend.
The "defending" him is nonsense. That is a straw man argument no one is defending him. Choosing to give him another shot while you and others would not is not the equivalent of defending his prior bad acts.[/quote]
Another reason that I feel he does not deserve another shot, is what he allowed to happen to Andre McGee who started as a GA at Louisville. He was the GA and DOB while the stripper stuff was going on. No way does he have the money to finance this. Pitino claiming ignorance just does not fly.
I am not against giving someone a second or even third chance, when they own their behavior. Pitino has not done this. Allowing him to coach college basketball again, just reinforces that his behavior is acceptable as long as he wins.[/quote]
Agree Panther, but if he owned everything he’s done, then he’d likely be in jail and divorced, amongst other things. He’d also never sniff a college coaching job again. Besides, usually the only time the high and mIghty admit wrongdoing is for their own benefit. So chances of Rick even saying “I made some mistakes” is probably pretty slim. So far I’m thrilled with what CMA has brought to this program. I still say we made the right hire.[/quote]
He just named Simon Cowas an assistant.[/quote]
Is there a Mrs. Simon Cowas and what does she look like? Does Simon Cowas own any sharp bladed instruments?
However, anyone who would have sex with a supposed friend and subordinate's wife on a table in a restaurant has absolutely no moral integrity and should not be placed in a position where he is a Role Model to young men.
I have absolutely no idea how any rational thinking person can defend Pitino's behavior in this instance. If he was your friend, and she was your wife, would you want him coaching your son???[/quote]
The moral argument to me is stronger than the cheating stuff. And most schools would have fired that coach with cause. The only reason he survived is because he is Rick Pitino and he is a legend.
The "defending" him is nonsense. That is a straw man argument no one is defending him. Choosing to give him another shot while you and others would not is not the equivalent of defending his prior bad acts.[/quote]
Another reason that I feel he does not deserve another shot, is what he allowed to happen to Andre McGee who started as a GA at Louisville. He was the GA and DOB while the stripper stuff was going on. No way does he have the money to finance this. Pitino claiming ignorance just does not fly.
I am not against giving someone a second or even third chance, when they own their behavior. Pitino has not done this. Allowing him to coach college basketball again, just reinforces that his behavior is acceptable as long as he wins.[/quote]
Agree Panther, but if he owned everything he’s done, then he’d likely be in jail and divorced, amongst other things. He’d also never sniff a college coaching job again. Besides, usually the only time the high and mIghty admit wrongdoing is for their own benefit. So chances of Rick even saying “I made some mistakes” is probably pretty slim. So far I’m thrilled with what CMA has brought to this program. I still say we made the right hire.[/quote]
He just named Simon Cowas an assistant.[/quote]
Is there a Mrs. Simon Cowas and what does she look like? Does Simon Cowas own any sharp bladed instruments?
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=382082]its a great hire. lets be honest in next 3 years he will get them further than us[/quote]
If so, Mike, he'd be doing it against inferior competition in a far inferior conference. Besides, hadn't Cluess already taken them "farther than us" in his 9 full seasons at Iona with 6 NCAA appearances, 5 conference tourney titles, and 4 regular-season conference titles? We paled by comparison.
If so, Mike, he'd be doing it against inferior competition in a far inferior conference. Besides, hadn't Cluess already taken them "farther than us" in his 9 full seasons at Iona with 6 NCAA appearances, 5 conference tourney titles, and 4 regular-season conference titles? We paled by comparison.
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[quote="MCNPA" post=382133][quote="fordham96" post=382131]Ag as in if you want to make case Pitino had too much baggage ultimately to come to SJU fine.
But don't for a second diminish his coaching abilities or accomplishments with nonsense arguments he bought players.[/quote]
You guys are laughable. Yeah he paid nobody. That’s not part of his success at all. You think he really just started cheating at Louisville?[/quote]
What are you talking about?
Let me ask you something what great coach has not had the hint of scandal around them? Academic, paying players, vacated wins etc?
But don't for a second diminish his coaching abilities or accomplishments with nonsense arguments he bought players.[/quote]
You guys are laughable. Yeah he paid nobody. That’s not part of his success at all. You think he really just started cheating at Louisville?[/quote]
What are you talking about?
Let me ask you something what great coach has not had the hint of scandal around them? Academic, paying players, vacated wins etc?
[quote="redken" post=382150][quote="fordham96" post=382148][quote="MCNPA" post=382133][quote="fordham96" post=382131]Ag as in if you want to make case Pitino had too much baggage ultimately to come to SJU fine.
But don't for a second diminish his coaching abilities or accomplishments with nonsense arguments he bought players.[/quote]
You guys are laughable. Yeah he paid nobody. That’s not part of his success at all. You think he really just started cheating at Louisville?[/quote]
What are you talking about?
Let me ask you something what great coach has not had the hint of scandal around them? Academic, paying players, vacated wins etc?[/quote][/quote]
Jerry Tarkanian?
But don't for a second diminish his coaching abilities or accomplishments with nonsense arguments he bought players.[/quote]
You guys are laughable. Yeah he paid nobody. That’s not part of his success at all. You think he really just started cheating at Louisville?[/quote]
What are you talking about?
Let me ask you something what great coach has not had the hint of scandal around them? Academic, paying players, vacated wins etc?[/quote][/quote]
Jerry Tarkanian?
[quote="redken" post=382152][quote="redken" post=382150][quote="fordham96" post=382148][quote="MCNPA" post=382133][quote="fordham96" post=382131]Ag as in if you want to make case Pitino had too much baggage ultimately to come to SJU fine.
But don't for a second diminish his coaching abilities or accomplishments with nonsense arguments he bought players.[/quote]
You guys are laughable. Yeah he paid nobody. That’s not part of his success at all. You think he really just started cheating at Louisville?[/quote]
What are you talking about?
Let me ask you something what great coach has not had the hint of scandal around them? Academic, paying players, vacated wins etc?[/quote][/quote]
Jerry Tarkanian?[/quote]
Exactly lol.
Roy Williams was using players who were not us even going to real classes.
But don't for a second diminish his coaching abilities or accomplishments with nonsense arguments he bought players.[/quote]
You guys are laughable. Yeah he paid nobody. That’s not part of his success at all. You think he really just started cheating at Louisville?[/quote]
What are you talking about?
Let me ask you something what great coach has not had the hint of scandal around them? Academic, paying players, vacated wins etc?[/quote][/quote]
Jerry Tarkanian?[/quote]
Exactly lol.
Roy Williams was using players who were not us even going to real classes.
[quote="panther2" post=382093]Yes, it is true that a lot of schools probably pay players so Pitino is no better or worse that other coaches.
However, anyone who would have sex with a supposed friend and subordinate's wife on a table in a restaurant has absolutely no moral integrity and should not be placed in a position where he is a Role Model to young men.
I have absolutely no idea how any rational thinking person can defend Pitino's behavior in this instance. If he was your friend, and she was your wife, would you want him coaching your son???[/quote]
Even Jesus forgave prostitutes and sinners. I guess you are greater than god. You guys are hypocrites
However, anyone who would have sex with a supposed friend and subordinate's wife on a table in a restaurant has absolutely no moral integrity and should not be placed in a position where he is a Role Model to young men.
I have absolutely no idea how any rational thinking person can defend Pitino's behavior in this instance. If he was your friend, and she was your wife, would you want him coaching your son???[/quote]
Even Jesus forgave prostitutes and sinners. I guess you are greater than god. You guys are hypocrites
This is not baggage.
Like it or not, Pitino is the symbol of corruption in the dirty underbelly of this sport. Many look the other way over the pay to play with the rationale that the good players deserve compensation. His former program that is still under investigation went further.
What is little Iona doing to show the NCAA that they can monitor compliance over this unrepentant coach? He is bigger than that school. Do they put a body camera on the guy?
Does the NCCA penalize an ACC powerhouse while going softly on Pitino at this small school that sits under under their thumb?
Like it or not, Pitino is the symbol of corruption in the dirty underbelly of this sport. Many look the other way over the pay to play with the rationale that the good players deserve compensation. His former program that is still under investigation went further.
What is little Iona doing to show the NCAA that they can monitor compliance over this unrepentant coach? He is bigger than that school. Do they put a body camera on the guy?
Does the NCCA penalize an ACC powerhouse while going softly on Pitino at this small school that sits under under their thumb?
This Iona opportunity has opened the door for one of the all time coaches to get back into the game. I see this as a mere short term stop in travels with Pitino. Quick success will lead to quick departure as some big time school will now fell free to hire him as booster bucks demand success. Iona could never pay him the $5M one of the Big 5 will offer--UCLA is probably drawing up the contract now.
[quote="dee" post=382157][quote="panther2" post=382093]Yes, it is true that a lot of schools probably pay players so Pitino is no better or worse that other coaches.
However, anyone who would have sex with a supposed friend and subordinate's wife on a table in a restaurant has absolutely no moral integrity and should not be placed in a position where he is a Role Model to young men.
I have absolutely no idea how any rational thinking person can defend Pitino's behavior in this instance. If he was your friend, and she was your wife, would you want him coaching your son???[/quote]
Even Jesus forgave prostitutes and sinners. I guess you are greater than god. You guys are hypocrites[/quote]
Where are the admissions from Pitino? Where has he publicly acknowledged owning them?
However, anyone who would have sex with a supposed friend and subordinate's wife on a table in a restaurant has absolutely no moral integrity and should not be placed in a position where he is a Role Model to young men.
I have absolutely no idea how any rational thinking person can defend Pitino's behavior in this instance. If he was your friend, and she was your wife, would you want him coaching your son???[/quote]
Even Jesus forgave prostitutes and sinners. I guess you are greater than god. You guys are hypocrites[/quote]
Where are the admissions from Pitino? Where has he publicly acknowledged owning them?
[quote="fordham96" post=382148][quote="MCNPA" post=382133][quote="fordham96" post=382131]Ag as in if you want to make case Pitino had too much baggage ultimately to come to SJU fine.
But don't for a second diminish his coaching abilities or accomplishments with nonsense arguments he bought players.[/quote]
You guys are laughable. Yeah he paid nobody. That’s not part of his success at all. You think he really just started cheating at Louisville?[/quote]
What are you talking about?
Let me ask you something what great coach has not had the hint of scandal around them? Academic, paying players, vacated wins etc?[/quote]
“A hint”... like “just the tip”? Hahahaha. Pitino is maybe the most decorated cheater out there.
But don't for a second diminish his coaching abilities or accomplishments with nonsense arguments he bought players.[/quote]
You guys are laughable. Yeah he paid nobody. That’s not part of his success at all. You think he really just started cheating at Louisville?[/quote]
What are you talking about?
Let me ask you something what great coach has not had the hint of scandal around them? Academic, paying players, vacated wins etc?[/quote]
“A hint”... like “just the tip”? Hahahaha. Pitino is maybe the most decorated cheater out there.